IRC log for #utah on 20180727

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16:31.05youtahMore Nun
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16:40.31spangbornKarma me harder
16:40.39eightyeightit would be convenient to reset a karma
16:40.57jlp_zncI suppose TimRiker could do that.
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18:32.11romanovicThis was an interesting article. http://nautil.us/issue/62/systems/there-is-no-such-thing-as-unconscious-thought
18:33.08romanovicI'm no behavioral scientist, but I am certain this behavioral scientist is wrong about unconscious thought.
18:33.32youtah~karma ie
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18:34.38youtah~karma python
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18:34.53youtah~karma go
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18:35.03youtah~karma c++
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18:35.47romanovicHe makes the case that our brains are never really processing things in the background.  Solutions might "pop" into our head, and we have the idea that our subconscious mind must have been working on it, but that is only an illusion and in reality our brain must devote active thought to solving problems
18:39.36romanovicThis is directly contrary to my experience when working on difficult programming objectives. I can be driving and actively talking to my wife about our shopping list, and completely unrelated programming solutions will push their way to the surface, unbidden, in the midst of this. but according to this scientist such things are impossible
18:41.03romanovicI feel like this is a common experience amongst programmers and all other knowledge workers
18:41.49jlp_zncI have definitely had that experience, also.
18:50.19RyanEsounds like he's just redefining subconscious.  i.e. if an idea came into your mind, you must've thought about it.
18:50.26RyanEOf course, I think he's wrong.  :)
19:21.39beelzebobthat *is* an interesting article
19:21.58beelzebobI would also like to submit that a cpu can only do one thing at a time, so background processing is an illusion
19:22.58beelzebobalso, the "mind as a computer" seems to be the latest in a string of metaphors that have ultimately been flawed
19:34.27frostyfrogRe: Slack & atlassian. This was my response when I saw the news last night. https://twitter.com/frostyfrog2/status/1022712836894543872
19:34.44frostyfrogaka "sounds like monopolistic practices"
20:00.15eightyeight~brave++
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20:00.56spangbornWho knew that my karma would be such a contentious thing
20:01.10eightyeightwho knew it was so low?
20:01.14eightyeight~karma spangborn
20:01.14infobotspangborn has karma of -96
20:01.20eightyeightyou must be contentious
20:01.23frostyfrogo.o
20:01.27frostyfrog~karma frostyfrog
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20:06.48eightyeightwhy won't python allow me to "a += (b += c)"?
20:15.15jlp_zncprobably because b += c is not an rvalue
20:16.27jlp_zncin C, for example, the expression b += c is an rvalue... it can appear on the right hand side of an assignment because it actually has a value.
20:16.54jlp_zncin your python interpreter, try something like this:
20:16.56jlp_znca = 1
20:17.02jlp_zncnote that it doesn't print a value
20:17.04jlp_znca
20:17.10jlp_zncnote that it *does* print a value
20:17.20jlp_znca += 1
20:17.29jlp_zncnote that it *does not* print a value.
20:20.04eightyeightnot acceptable
20:20.09eightyeight~lart python
20:20.09infobotcuts off python's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper
20:20.16jlp_znc~karma python
20:20.16infobotpython has karma of 40
20:20.22jlp_zncinfobot disagrees
20:22.06jlp_zncyou will also note that python foolishly does not include the "++" and "--" unary operators, which has caused me great consternation, but hey, that's python!
20:22.21eightyeight~python--
20:23.01jlp_zncand python's trinary operator is hideous.  why they don't support the classic ?: operator I will never understand.  
20:24.13jlp_zncisn't "a = (b == c) ? b : c" much better than "a = b if (b == c) else c"
20:24.17jlp_zncjust yuck
20:28.16frostyfrog~python--
20:28.46jlp_zncperl FTW
20:28.54frostyfrogx3
20:29.30frostyfrogAnd yet, I get articles showing up saying that python is becoming the number 1 language. Yuck.
20:30.03frostyfrogBut I had this discussion yesterday, and I'm a bit more open now.
20:30.24frostyfrogI still think that ruby is better for beginners than python. But I digress.
20:31.14jlp_zncruby?  
20:31.17jlp_zncpukes
20:31.29youtahjlp_znc, you missed the conversation yesterday
20:31.36jlp_zncI guess I must have
20:31.48youtahfrostyfrog was finding every corner case possible to argue why Python is horrible
20:32.08jlp_zncpython is okay, even though it is horrible in some cases.  but the same can be said for pretty much any language.
20:32.14youtahit got down to him complaining about .vimrc files
20:32.16jlp_zncexcept ruby... that thing should just die.  
20:32.20youtahruby needs to die
20:32.22jlp_znc:D
20:32.28eightyeightgive me rust or give me death
20:32.31eightyeight~rust++
20:32.39youtahlol
20:32.40jlp_znc~karma perl
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20:32.46jlp_znccries a little
20:32.50youtahlol
20:32.54jlp_znc~karma C
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20:33.00youtahputs for printing something is weird
20:33.01frostyfroghttps://nostarch.com/rubywizardry was a fun read. That's what got me to like ruby.
20:33.05jlp_zncsheesh, even C gets better than perl?
20:33.08eightyeight~c--
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20:33.53jlp_zncwhoah
20:34.03jlp_znclet's not get carried away, here
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20:34.41eightyeight~node++
20:34.58eightyeightspeaking of which, i should finish my random.org competitor
20:35.20eightyeightclient-side csprng > server-side hwrng
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20:37.43eightyeight( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
20:37.46frostyfrog;-;
20:37.55frostyfrogどして？！
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20:51.53eightyeight~lart youtah
20:51.53infobottakes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down youtah's throat until youtah puts on 150lbs
20:53.05frostyfrogfprintf(2,"Goodbye");
20:55.11spangbornwow that lart is just mean
20:55.17spangbornyoutah has been watching his girlish figure
20:55.49eightyeighthuh. i just realized something rather clever
20:56.19spangbornthat cleaver is clever with an A?
20:56.56jlp_zncum, 2 is not a FILE*... you just segfaulted, frostyfrog.
20:57.16youtahcleaver
20:57.45youtahmeet a clever meat cleaver
20:57.46frostyfrog2 should be STDERR or /dev/stderr
20:57.59frostyfrogwhich is a valid FILE*
20:58.13frostyfrogor at least, a unix file descriptor
20:58.35eightyeightnot POSIX though
20:59.17jlp_zncfileno(STDERR) is 2, yes.  but 2 is an FD, not a FILE*
20:59.27youtahshould have used python
20:59.29frostyfroghttps://www.unix.com/man-page/POSIX/3posix/stderr/
20:59.39jlp_zncperhaps you meant write(2, "Goodbye", 7)
20:59.53eightyeighthuh
21:00.54frostyfrogindeed
21:01.20jlp_zncor dprint(2, "Goodbye") (on systems that have dprint in their C library)
21:01.34frostyfrogSomething about python being popular prevents me from learning the languages I love.
21:01.41jlp_zncsorry, dprintf
21:02.42jlp_zncand fileno(stderr)... confusing C and perl syntax again.
21:02.58frostyfrog'tis okay :)
21:03.03frostyfrog~jlp_znc++
21:03.09jlp_zncheh
21:03.10jlp_znchah
21:03.18jlp_znc:)
21:03.31jlp_zncwhoops, gotta go.  early day today.
21:03.38frostyfrogHave fun :D
21:03.53youtah<2h
21:04.42youtaht-1h56m
21:06.40spangbornpls clap
21:11.57RyanENegative, Ghost Rider. The pattern is full.
21:12.48youtahWARNING
21:12.53youtahBig crash on I-215
21:12.56youtahEB closed
21:13.18youtahhttps://www.facebook.com/ksltv/videos/10156986607838676/?notif_id=1532721354675227&notif_t=live_video
21:14.01Migsruh roh
21:14.22Migseveryone okay?
21:14.30RyanEgoogle said going home was 18 minute delay due to crashes, and I take I-15SB...
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21:14.50youtah~karma karma
21:14.50infobotkarma has karma of 7
21:15.16Migsmotorists really need to learn the zipper method of merging
21:23.16youtahWHOA
21:23.24youtahLooks like Slack is buying HipChat and Stride
21:23.36youtahhttps://techcrunch.com/2018/07/26/atlassians-hipchat-and-stride-to-be-discontinued-with-slack-buying-up-the-ip/
21:26.25frostyfrogwe talked about that early
21:26.28youtahhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-26/slack-and-atlassian-team-up-to-take-on-microsoft-in-chat-software
21:26.29frostyfrogearlier*
21:26.35youtahLooks like it is to tackle M$
21:26.43frostyfrogIt's a monopoly if I've ever seen one.
21:27.04frostyfrogor at least, a monopoly in progress.
21:31.59youtahhttps://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/37858910_10156673707308885_3778602018159984640_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=b6fc797f302a216a4edeb3d4794584ad&oe=5BDC51C3
22:37.01youtahI've endured enough crap for one day. I am outta here. Later
23:10.56BigBen212good idea, youtah
23:11.07BigBen212and I'll follow that example. Have a good weekend, all!

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