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| 13:49.21 | jima | ~karma ie |
| 13:49.21 | infobot | ie has karma of -776 |
| 13:49.24 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 14:56.37 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 14:56.40 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 14:58.31 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 15:08.39 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 15:08.40 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:11.03 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 15:13.35 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 15:13.37 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:16.04 | jima | weirdest conversation ever |
| 15:16.07 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 15:17.24 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:17.27 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 15:19.47 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 15:19.49 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:20.01 | spangborn | ~karma ipv6 |
| 15:20.01 | infobot | ipv6 has karma of 8 |
| 15:20.08 | spangborn | ~ipv6++ |
| 15:27.33 | jima | spangborn: so much for burninating it |
| 15:27.36 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 15:27.38 | jima | ~ipv6++ |
| 15:27.43 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:27.47 | spangborn | ~karma ie |
| 15:27.47 | infobot | ie has karma of -766 |
| 15:28.14 | jima | 100 to go! |
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| 15:56.28 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 15:56.31 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 15:56.41 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 15:57.07 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 15:57.11 | jima | ~ipv6++ |
| 15:57.23 | jima | ~karma youtah |
| 15:57.23 | infobot | youtah has karma of -1 |
| 15:57.29 | jima | ~youtah++ |
| 15:58.34 | spangborn | ~karma youtah |
| 15:58.34 | infobot | youtah has neutral karma |
| 15:58.40 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 16:08.25 | frostyfrog | lol |
| 16:09.02 | frostyfrog | youtah didn't know that the source code for infobot was available online. Or at least, one of it's incantations is x3 |
| 16:26.57 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 16:26.59 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 16:27.01 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
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| 16:28.09 | youtah | you guys |
| 16:28.34 | youtah | I have no idea what the difference is between a mandarin orange, a clementine and a tangerine |
| 16:31.18 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 16:31.20 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 16:31.22 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 16:47.48 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 16:47.51 | jima | ~ipv6++ |
| 17:01.29 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 17:01.31 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 17:01.35 | spangborn | ~youtah-- |
| 17:15.57 | youtah | ~brave++ |
| 17:16.00 | youtah | ~ie++ |
| 17:16.05 | youtah | ~karma ie |
| 17:16.05 | infobot | ie has karma of -759 |
| 17:16.10 | youtah | ~karma brave |
| 17:16.10 | infobot | brave has karma of 11 |
| 17:16.25 | youtah | ~jima++ |
| 17:16.34 | youtah | ~eightyeight++ |
| 17:16.45 | youtah | ~brave++ |
| 17:16.47 | youtah | ~ie++ |
| 17:17.05 | spangborn | ~youtah++ |
| 17:17.08 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 17:17.17 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 17:17.18 | youtah | lol |
| 17:17.45 | youtah | ~lolstats |
| 17:17.47 | infobot | total count of lol on #utah: 2851. Top 3: youtah -- 1335 (46.8%), keldwud -- 143 (5.0%), spangborn -- 114 (4.0%) |
| 17:17.47 | youtah | heh |
| 17:17.50 | youtah | :) |
| 17:17.53 | spangborn | lol |
| 17:17.55 | youtah | ~stats |
| 17:17.55 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 16h 59m 16s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.31/0.9 child 0/0 |
| 17:18.05 | spangborn | 0 morons |
| 17:18.13 | spangborn | But jima is here |
| 17:18.21 | youtah | 83MB of memory?!?!? |
| 17:18.32 | spangborn | That's not very much |
| 17:18.37 | spangborn | Considering it's in like 40 channels |
| 17:18.55 | youtah | meh |
| 17:19.12 | spangborn | I mean it's also perl |
| 17:19.13 | youtah | currently reference 119763 factoids |
| 17:19.16 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:19.18 | spangborn | so you have the massive overhead of complete garbage |
| 17:19.26 | spangborn | ~perl-- |
| 17:19.28 | youtah | and poor collection |
| 17:19.28 | jima | ~stats |
| 17:19.28 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 17h 49s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.42/0.94 child 0/0 |
| 17:19.30 | spangborn | ~python++ |
| 17:19.33 | jima | hrm |
| 17:19.40 | jima | spangborn: moron |
| 17:19.44 | jima | ~stats |
| 17:19.44 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 1 question, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 17h 1m 5s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.48/0.96 child 0/0 |
| 17:19.49 | spangborn | ~moron |
| 17:19.50 | infobot | methinks moron is someone that types long lines starting with "infobot" |
| 17:19.58 | spangborn | lol |
| 17:19.58 | jima | hrm |
| 17:20.01 | youtah | ~karma perl |
| 17:20.01 | infobot | perl has karma of 1 |
| 17:20.08 | youtah | ~karma python |
| 17:20.08 | infobot | python has karma of 33 |
| 17:20.13 | youtah | ~javascript++ |
| 17:20.17 | youtah | ~html5++ |
| 17:20.28 | youtah | ~ie++ |
| 17:20.35 | youtah | ~karma html5 |
| 17:20.35 | infobot | html5 has karma of 1 |
| 17:20.41 | spangborn | infobot do you like raspberries they're quite tasty in fact they're the best berry didn't you know that did you know that youtah likes root beer ice cream with bacon bits he says its the best and that spangborn is the best wingman ever its just the facts i wouldn't lie about these things |
| 17:20.41 | infobot | yes, I like raspberries they're quite tasty in fact they're the best berry didn't you know that did you know that youtah likes root beer ice cream with bacon bits he says its the best and that spangborn is the best wingman ever its just the facts i wouldn't lie about these things. |
| 17:20.41 | youtah | ~karma javascript |
| 17:20.41 | infobot | javascript has neutral karma |
| 17:20.55 | youtah | huh |
| 17:20.56 | spangborn | ~stats |
| 17:20.57 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 3 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 2 commands. I have been awake for 17h 2m 17s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.66/1.06 child 0/0 |
| 17:21.01 | spangborn | oh |
| 17:21.44 | spangborn | infobot Bacon ipsum dolor amet frankfurter beef meatball buffalo strip steak salami. Beef ribs buffalo bacon, alcatra pancetta drumstick venison fatback ground round ham hock strip steak bresaola tongue. Sirloin porchetta kielbasa short loin andouille tongue ham hock meatloaf swine hamburger. Pancetta t-bone picanha tail, doner pig kevin. Capicola |
| 17:21.44 | infobot | ACTION goes Footloose on ipsum dolor amet frankfurter beef meatball buffalo strip steak salami. Beef ribs buffalo bacon, alcatra pancetta drumstick venison fatback ground round ham hock strip steak bresaola tongue. Sirloin porchetta kielbasa short loin andouille tongue ham hock meatloaf swine hamburger. Pancetta t-bone picanha tail, doner pig kevin. Capicola, even though its illegal |
| 17:21.44 | spangborn | chuck landjaeger t-bone. Turkey shank fatback venison jowl capicola cupim spare ribs brisket chuck boudin frankfurter ball tip biltong jerky. Swine t-bone ham kevin strip steak ribeye salami ground round shoulder ball tip porchetta pancetta frankfurter pig. Shankle pancetta t-bone leberkas cupim alcatra tri-tip rump ham. Pork chop ham sirloin, drum |
| 17:21.44 | spangborn | stick porchetta chicken tenderloin landjaeger frankfurter short ribs cupim tri-tip. Brisket pork pig capicola bacon turducken. Alcatra cow short ribs jowl drumstick. |
| 17:21.49 | youtah | ~stats |
| 17:21.49 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 4 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 3 commands. I have been awake for 17h 3m 10s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.79/1.12 child 0/0 |
| 17:22.00 | youtah | 119763 still |
| 17:22.07 | spangborn | lol what |
| 17:22.22 | spangborn | infobot: bacon ipsum is Turkey shank fatback venison jowl capicola cupim spare ribs brisket chuck boudin frankfurter ball tip biltong jerky. Swine t-bone ham kevin strip steak ribeye salami ground round shoulder ball tip porchetta pancetta frankfurter pig. Shankle pancetta t-bone leberkas cupim alcatra tri-tip rump ham. Pork chop ham sirloin, drums |
| 17:22.22 | infobot | ACTION goes Footloose on ipsum is Turkey shank fatback venison jowl capicola cupim spare ribs brisket chuck boudin frankfurter ball tip biltong jerky. Swine t-bone ham kevin strip steak ribeye salami ground round shoulder ball tip porchetta pancetta frankfurter pig. Shankle pancetta t-bone leberkas cupim alcatra tri-tip rump ham. Pork chop ham sirloin, drums, even though its illegal |
| 17:22.22 | spangborn | tick porchetta chicken tenderloin landjaeger frankfurter short ribs cupim tri-tip. Brisket pork pig capicola bacon turducken. Alcatra cow short ribs jowl drumstick. |
| 17:22.31 | spangborn | okay sorry I'm done trying |
| 17:22.52 | youtah | https://hipsum.co/ |
| 17:23.11 | spangborn | ~stats |
| 17:23.11 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 5 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 4 commands. I have been awake for 17h 4m 32s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.92/1.18 child 0/0 |
| 17:23.23 | spangborn | apparently infobot thinks those are questions |
| 17:23.28 | spangborn | ~stats |
| 17:23.28 | infobot | Since Thu Jul 26 00:18:39 2018, there have been 0 modifications, 5 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 4 commands. I have been awake for 17h 4m 49s this session, and currently reference 119763 factoids. I'm using about 83180 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 44.97/1.2 child 0/0 |
| 17:23.38 | spangborn | ~slap youtah |
| 17:23.38 | infobot | ACTION slaps youtah, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:26.00 | youtah | Listening to Trump speak in Iowa |
| 17:26.03 | youtah | uhg |
| 17:26.08 | spangborn | Why |
| 17:26.13 | spangborn | ~slap youtah |
| 17:26.13 | infobot | ACTION slaps youtah, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:26.15 | spangborn | You deserved that |
| 17:26.20 | youtah | ~Trump trump |
| 17:26.20 | infobot | ACTION builds a wall at trump's expense |
| 17:26.26 | youtah | lol |
| 17:51.10 | eightyeight | ~spangborn++ |
| 17:51.17 | eightyeight | ~ie++ |
| 17:51.22 | eightyeight | ~brave++ |
| 17:53.41 | youtah | OMG |
| 17:53.43 | youtah | The bot attacks |
| 17:53.50 | youtah | some of the other channels are getting HAMMERED |
| 17:53.50 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 17:53.53 | spangborn | ~youtah++ |
| 17:53.57 | youtah | Gracias |
| 17:54.01 | spangborn | what channels |
| 17:54.05 | spangborn | I wanna see |
| 17:54.07 | youtah | ##hamradio |
| 17:54.18 | spangborn | lol it's full |
| 17:54.21 | youtah | we just had 1070 users join, leave, join, leave, etc |
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| 18:01.57 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 18:02.01 | jima | ~ipv6++ |
| 18:02.06 | jima | ~youtah++ |
| 18:18.52 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 18:18.58 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 18:21.32 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 18:21.34 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 18:26.55 | jima | ~ie++ |
| 18:26.57 | jima | ~ipv6++ |
| 18:30.13 | youtah | will someone buy me three of these? https://www.dxengineering.com/parts/dmn-x300a |
| 18:33.04 | jima | someone? maybe. me? no. |
| 18:36.03 | RyanE | Only three? :) |
| 18:37.03 | youtah | okay okay, you drive a hard bargain, I'll let you buy me one RyanE |
| 18:40.30 | spangborn | You don't need those |
| 18:40.32 | spangborn | you have a cell phone |
| 18:40.36 | spangborn | with Verizon |
| 18:40.42 | spangborn | and good coverage with no roaming charges |
| 18:40.46 | spangborn | I saw you mention it |
| 18:45.14 | jima | fat lot of good it'll do in a disaster |
| 18:45.29 | jima | i'm not even a ham and i readily acknowledge that |
| 18:58.20 | spangborn | oh you're a prepper now? |
| 18:58.31 | spangborn | in case of disaster, there's an easier solution |
| 18:58.32 | youtah | not on the back side of Timp |
| 18:58.33 | spangborn | just die |
| 18:58.49 | spangborn | Toooo many people on this planet anyway |
| 18:58.50 | youtah | It's for when I am at Timpooneke (where there is no cell service) |
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| 19:18.40 | frostyfrog | ~python-- |
| 19:20.18 | frostyfrog | spangborn: Even with generally good cell service, I still find many places in the mountains where cell service just doesn't work. |
| 19:20.42 | spangborn | Sounds like a good thing |
| 19:20.49 | spangborn | Disconnect from the internet and relax |
| 19:21.36 | frostyfrog | Well, it sure helped the police find a jogger who went running in the mountains and still hasn't been found last I recall >_> |
| 19:21.53 | frostyfrog | besides that, I just hit the power button to disconnect. |
| 19:27.37 | frostyfrog | ~python |
| 19:27.37 | infobot | rumour has it, python is Available at http://www.python.org Python is an interpreted, interactive, object-oriented programming language. It is often compared to Tcl, Perl, Scheme or Java. |
| 19:28.11 | frostyfrog | ~karma python |
| 19:28.11 | infobot | python has karma of 32 |
| 19:28.21 | frostyfrog | ugh, too high |
| 19:28.25 | spangborn | wrong |
| 19:28.28 | spangborn | ~python++ |
| 19:28.30 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 19:28.32 | spangborn | ~youtah++ |
| 19:28.34 | spangborn | ~ie++ |
| 19:33.20 | frostyfrog | ~python-- |
| 19:33.29 | frostyfrog | ~c++++ |
| 19:33.34 | youtah | ~nachos++ |
| 19:33.41 | frostyfrog | Mmmm, nachos |
| 19:33.46 | youtah | ~frostyfrog-- |
| 19:33.49 | BigBen212 | [21:33:29] < frostyfrog> ~c++++ |
| 19:33.50 | youtah | for the ~python-- |
| 19:33.53 | BigBen212 | I like that |
| 19:34.00 | frostyfrog | With or without cheese? |
| 19:34.12 | youtah | ~karma c++ |
| 19:34.12 | infobot | c++ has karma of 3 |
| 19:34.19 | youtah | looks like it worked too |
| 19:34.26 | BigBen212 | yup |
| 19:34.31 | BigBen212 | ~karma c |
| 19:34.31 | infobot | c has karma of 10 |
| 19:34.38 | frostyfrog | I have a huge dislike for the unproffessional nature of python scripts, okay? |
| 19:34.39 | youtah | ~karma go |
| 19:34.39 | infobot | go has karma of 2 |
| 19:34.59 | youtah | nothing unprofessional about Python |
| 19:34.59 | BigBen212 | ~karma gogo |
| 19:34.59 | infobot | gogo has neutral karma |
| 19:35.19 | frostyfrog | To me, it feels like 80-90 percent of all python scripts are hack-code garbage. |
| 19:35.20 | youtah | it's the language of choice at MIT |
| 19:35.30 | youtah | so... |
| 19:35.32 | youtah | just sayin' |
| 19:35.38 | BigBen212 | but what do they know at MIT :) |
| 19:35.43 | youtah | lol |
| 19:35.47 | frostyfrog | how to hack |
| 19:35.51 | BigBen212 | I use python more now for my new job, and I like it |
| 19:36.09 | youtah | 95% of code related tasks I do are in Python |
| 19:36.10 | BigBen212 | problem is just when you hand your script over to someobody else and they don't have all the same libraries |
| 19:36.18 | youtah | Yes |
| 19:36.30 | BigBen212 | or even just the difference between py 2.x and 3.x |
| 19:36.37 | youtah | but that's also not unique to python |
| 19:36.38 | frostyfrog | Python is the new perl, IMHO |
| 19:37.06 | youtah | you're way off in the weeds on that one |
| 19:37.08 | BigBen212 | the stuff that I moved from Perl to Python runs nicer, that's for sure |
| 19:37.10 | frostyfrog | At least, H in this very moment. |
| 19:37.16 | youtah | I can hand BigBen212 a script, and he can actually read it |
| 19:37.25 | youtah | a *python script |
| 19:37.30 | BigBen212 | I just have some leftover Perl stuff that I'm hesitant to convert because it's a lot :) |
| 19:37.40 | youtah | Perl? I have a hard time reading what I wrote myself |
| 19:37.51 | BigBen212 | haha, I can read my Perl stuff |
| 19:37.56 | youtah | print('hello') |
| 19:37.59 | youtah | so clean |
| 19:37.59 | BigBen212 | but that's just because I'm not 100% :) |
| 19:38.02 | youtah | so simple |
| 19:38.16 | frostyfrog | Here... This is what I expect from professional code: http://furcadia.com/fool.js |
| 19:38.33 | BigBen212 | haha, yeah, but you get the error when you have print 'hello' from py 2 and py 3 doesn't like it |
| 19:39.06 | youtah | hence the () |
| 19:39.09 | youtah | print 'hello' |
| 19:39.16 | youtah | and |
| 19:39.23 | youtah | did you know that Python can go into the future? |
| 19:39.32 | spangborn | perl is the worst |
| 19:39.37 | spangborn | ~perl-- |
| 19:39.39 | spangborn | ~python++ |
| 19:39.41 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 19:40.58 | frostyfrog | I assume that you can easily read and understand this then? https://github.com/crs4/hl7apy/blob/develop/hl7apy/core.py |
| 19:42.04 | frostyfrog | Because I sure couldn't. Not easily anyways. |
| 19:42.09 | youtah | why yes, yes I can. |
| 19:42.16 | youtah | but I also read python all day long |
| 19:42.23 | frostyfrog | And that code is following most of the python standards. |
| 19:42.25 | spangborn | Looks well commented |
| 19:42.28 | spangborn | and pythonic |
| 19:42.33 | spangborn | seems fine to me |
| 19:42.55 | frostyfrog | from __future__ import braces # I want this to work as well |
| 19:43.25 | frostyfrog | because spaces for indentation is evil. |
| 19:43.35 | frostyfrog | >=( |
| 19:44.24 | BigBen212 | frostyfrog: only stumbled over that once :) |
| 19:44.51 | youtah | spaces do not have the capability of being evil. It is not a being capable of being profoundly immoral or malevolent in nature. |
| 19:44.59 | BigBen212 | and then I learned that I shouldn't realign everything to my liking and will just have to stick to the indentation that was already there in the script |
| 19:45.04 | frostyfrog | I hate using vim or nano to edit a file, and using a tab breaks the whole script. |
| 19:45.23 | frostyfrog | That's the problem ^ |
| 19:45.47 | BigBen212 | definitely had to change my habits a bit, and my editor to one that shows spaces and tabs |
| 19:45.56 | frostyfrog | Why should I hit the space key 8-16 times for a single line, when I could hit tab 2-4 times? |
| 19:46.36 | youtah | uhhhhh |
| 19:46.45 | BigBen212 | frostyfrog: just use a better editor :) |
| 19:46.45 | youtah | if you're doing that, you're doing it wrong |
| 19:46.57 | youtah | I need 8 spaces? I hit tab twice |
| 19:47.00 | BigBen212 | one that lets you turn on spaces for tabs |
| 19:47.10 | BigBen212 | youtah: yup. |
| 19:47.20 | frostyfrog | BigBen212: it does, if I remember to :set ts=4 sts=4 et ai sw=4 |
| 19:47.24 | youtah | :set tabstop=4 |
| 19:47.24 | youtah | :set shiftwidth=4 |
| 19:47.24 | youtah | :set expandtab |
| 19:47.28 | spangborn | Nano has a setting for that |
| 19:47.42 | spangborn | set tabsize 4 |
| 19:47.42 | spangborn | set tabstospaces |
| 19:47.52 | frostyfrog | youtah: That only works all the time when it's my box. When it's not my box that I'm on, that doesn't work. |
| 19:48.07 | spangborn | autohome is a thing |
| 19:48.14 | frostyfrog | especially after I sudo a file and it switches to root's home folder |
| 19:48.15 | youtah | it takes two seconds to add |
| 19:48.17 | frostyfrog | config |
| 19:49.27 | frostyfrog | A lot of the time I forget because "it works fine on my machine" |
| 19:49.35 | youtah | and if it is someone elses computer, and they're editing python, and working on a .py file... and they have everything set to tabs... you can help them by correcting their mistake too |
| 19:50.35 | frostyfrog | Customer production server located in New York. Headless. I'm not a primary user and I am only pulled in when things go terribly wrong. |
| 19:51.04 | youtah | if they're editing python using tabs... that's probably why you're being pulled in |
| 19:51.09 | youtah | because it's going terribly wrong |
| 19:51.48 | youtah | then convert the tabs, educate them, they think you're a wizard, and you bill them for $900/hr |
| 19:51.59 | youtah | with a 4 hour minimum |
| 19:52.15 | youtah | and room and board |
| 19:52.22 | youtah | and entertainment |
| 19:53.08 | frostyfrog | Now why would someone log in as root? And typically, there's a logic error that needs fixing. Most of the guys who use the machine on a daily basis edit files locally and SCP them over, so they don't even use the cli editors on the server (which are faster, IMO) |
| 19:53.51 | youtah | you're searching for corner cases |
| 19:54.01 | frostyfrog | "sudo vim /etc/my_config" bam, not using my config anymore. Using the root users' |
| 19:54.19 | frostyfrog | searching for corner cases? These are the cases that I run into. |
| 19:54.31 | youtah | :set tabstop=4 [enter] |
| 19:54.39 | youtah | bam, you now own that editor |
| 19:54.54 | youtah | thats the right |
| 19:54.58 | youtah | then in comes the left hook |
| 19:54.58 | youtah | :set shiftwidth=4 |
| 19:55.08 | frostyfrog | Should I do that on my own machine so that I remember? And remove it from my .vimrc? |
| 19:55.18 | youtah | now that editor has no idea what's going on... starting to get dizzy |
| 19:55.38 | youtah | then suddenly, you swing in with the :set expandtab round house kick |
| 19:55.44 | youtah | and that edited now knows who's boss |
| 19:55.47 | youtah | editor |
| 19:55.59 | youtah | you dont have to do this in a dot rc file |
| 19:56.05 | youtah | just do this in the editor |
| 19:56.30 | youtah | just like when you do :set paste |
| 19:56.35 | youtah | and :set nopaste |
| 19:56.59 | frostyfrog | I have a vim plugin that detects pastes for me too. >_> |
| 19:57.12 | frostyfrog | #efficiency |
| 19:58.02 | frostyfrog | roxma/vim-paste-easy |
| 19:58.05 | youtah | do you have that vim plugin as root? |
| 19:58.29 | frostyfrog | No, but I don't paste things into vim as root. |
| 19:58.29 | youtah | Customer production server located in New York. Headless. I'm not a primary user and I am only pulled in when things go terribly wrong. << and they dont have your vim plugin |
| 19:59.30 | frostyfrog | right. |
| 20:00.16 | frostyfrog | (Also, do you always type out the long version over the short version? I use :set ts=4 sts=4 et ai sw=4 ) |
| 20:00.16 | youtah | again, you're searching for obscure corner cases of inconveniences in vim/vi to show that python is inferior to $x language |
| 20:01.05 | frostyfrog | Okay, how about reading a few byes out of a 2 gig byte array? |
| 20:01.15 | frostyfrog | s/byes/bytes/ |
| 20:01.44 | youtah | and so far, you've only stated reasons of opinion "I don't like it" or "it's evil" |
| 20:01.53 | youtah | there we go.. now we're talking |
| 20:01.54 | spangborn | Also if you're editing files remotely via a text editor |
| 20:01.57 | spangborn | you're doing it wrong |
| 20:01.58 | youtah | something quantifiable |
| 20:01.59 | spangborn | source control is a thing |
| 20:02.21 | spangborn | git commit && git push |
| 20:02.24 | spangborn | git pull |
| 20:02.33 | frostyfrog | Yeah, source control is a thing, but than we have to wait months for the customers to update their packages on their server. |
| 20:02.34 | youtah | but granted, this is still an editor discussion |
| 20:02.44 | joshh | just use go and gofmt |
| 20:02.51 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 20:03.08 | spangborn | but then you have to wait months for customers to install go |
| 20:03.16 | spangborn | python exists everywhere, git exists everyhwere :) |
| 20:03.40 | frostyfrog | the git repos don't exist on customer boxes. We have to do it via RPMs |
| 20:03.50 | youtah | (they have formatters for python too) |
| 20:04.19 | joshh | you have to get better customers :P |
| 20:04.24 | youtah | lol |
| 20:04.35 | spangborn | lol rpm |
| 20:05.07 | jima | at scale? yeah kinda |
| 20:06.21 | frostyfrog | Anyways... so yeah. a couple bytes read from a 2 GB bytearray. Last I recall when we tried that, python copied the 2 gig array and was giving us a slice of the new array. |
| 20:07.04 | frostyfrog | That doesn't scale well when you have multiple copies of the same script running on the box at the same time. |
| 20:07.30 | youtah | I dont think I have ever had to read a couple of bytes from a 2 GB bytearray |
| 20:07.36 | frostyfrog | and as far as "better customers" goes? I like the medical industry. |
| 20:07.45 | youtah | again, searching for corner cases to justify your preferences |
| 20:07.57 | frostyfrog | That one isn't a corner case. |
| 20:08.16 | frostyfrog | We go through a ton of data every day. |
| 20:08.35 | youtah | pip install pandas |
| 20:08.37 | frostyfrog | We're using a byte buffer to stream data across a socket. |
| 20:08.48 | frostyfrog | And filling up a pandas dataframe |
| 20:08.52 | frostyfrog | on the fly |
| 20:09.09 | frostyfrog | terabytes of data |
| 20:09.30 | youtah | it sounds like you're doing something wrong |
| 20:09.39 | youtah | are there other tools that might be more efficient? absolutely |
| 20:09.40 | frostyfrog | well, terrabytes fly across the socket. Less than that is stored inside the dataframe. |
| 20:10.11 | youtah | brb... need to use salt built with python to push python scripts to several minions |
| 20:11.00 | youtah | .... done. I'm back |
| 20:11.18 | jima | mmmm, salty minions |
| 20:11.27 | youtah | needs more vinegar |
| 20:12.12 | frostyfrog | and fish |
| 20:24.31 | joshh | wait is this a language war or an editor war? |
| 20:26.50 | BigBen212 | in my "300" voice: "This is Python!" |
| 20:27.21 | jima | no, it really is madness. |
| 20:32.46 | frostyfrog | I can agree with that, Jima :) |
| 21:19.50 | romanovic | https://slackhq.com/atlassian-and-slack-partnership |
| 21:20.56 | romanovic | slack "partnership" == atlassian is just giving up on hipchat at this point? |
| 21:21.52 | romanovic | looks like it. "Atlassian will discontinue Hipchat and Stride" |
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