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| 05:19.04 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 13:57.19 | eightyeight | Richard Stallman is fighting to keep a joke about aborting in the glibc manpage. |
| 13:57.23 | eightyeight | https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/753646/c869537af7d612a6/ |
| 13:57.34 | eightyeight | Or, a joke about abortion |
| 13:57.41 | eightyeight | Autocomplete fail |
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| 14:48.21 | manithree | For a change, I agree with RMS politically: "a GNU manual, like a course in history, is not meant to be a 'safe space'" |
| 15:20.05 | klys | https://www.quiz-maker.com/poll1951519x1af34399-53 |
| 15:32.44 | programmerq | interesting. The joke is fairly tame and touches more on the government regulation aspect of the topic rather than more directly. |
| 15:33.16 | programmerq | at the same time, I agree with the patch author: The joke does not provide any useful information about the abort() function so removing it will not hinder use of glibc |
| 15:33.51 | programmerq | I wonder how [his] software will change when RMS eventually dies of old age. |
| 15:41.03 | manithree | And I don't believe for a minute that RMS really believes the above quote. |
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| 15:52.34 | eightyeight | https://twitter.com/alicegoldfuss/status/993677847280562178 |
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| 16:32.30 | Migs | I'm so sick of these magpies in my yard. They keep harassing my cats. |
| 16:33.00 | Migs | the birds will just come up to the cats and bite their tails when they're just taking a nap on the car |
| 16:33.16 | Migs | they'll follow them all around the neighborhood squawking and biting them |
| 16:33.36 | Migs | Pets are considered personal property in Utah, right? Utah law says I can kill them if they're found damaging personal property. |
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| 17:08.21 | manithree | Migs: Dunno about legality of killing magpies, but I know some good, quiet pellet guns |
| 17:12.31 | Migs | I have a couple BB guns that would do the job nicely. |
| 17:13.14 | Migs | Sounds like they just had babies. They're chirping loudly in the tree. |
| 17:13.24 | Migs | Future cat bullies. |
| 17:15.56 | jlp_znc | https://wildlife.utah.gov/blog/2013/birds-are-easy-illegal-bb-gun-targets/ |
| 17:24.05 | RyanE | our local magpies come and eat the chicken feed. |
| 17:24.20 | RyanE | they'll brazenly just fly into the chicken run, and eat like chickens. |
| 17:34.02 | manithree | I don't think (IANAL) magpies are songbirds or migratory. I suspect the most illegal thing about shooting them would be discharging a bb/pellet in city limits. This is not legal advice. |
| 17:35.27 | BigBen212 | they're songbirds |
| 17:35.31 | manithree | bummer |
| 17:35.33 | BigBen212 | you might not like their song :) |
| 17:36.37 | BigBen212 | family corvidae, order passeriformes (aka, perching birds or, less accurately, songbirds) |
| 17:37.16 | BigBen212 | (Wikipedia makes me look smart) |
| 17:38.06 | BigBen212 | I totally get it though. Magpies, or crows in general are really smart, and they have figured out many ways to annoy us and our pets. |
| 17:38.12 | manithree | R657-3-7. Take of Nuisance Birds and Mammals. |
| 17:38.12 | manithree | (1)(a) A person is not required to obtain a certificate of registration or a federal permit to kill a bird belonging to a species listed in Subsection (1)(b) that is committing or about to commit depredations on ornamental or shade trees, agricultural crops, livestock, or wildlife, or when concentrated in such numbers and manner as to constitute a health hazard or other nuisance, provided: |
| 17:38.12 | manithree | (i) an attempt to control the birds using non-lethal methods occurs prior to using lethal methods; |
| 17:38.12 | manithree | (ii) applicable local, state and federal laws are strictly complied with; and (iii) none of the birds killed , nor their plumage, are sold or offered for sale. |
| 17:38.12 | manithree | (b) The following bird species are subject to the provisions of Subsection (1)(a): |
| 17:38.12 | manithree | (i) black-billed magpie (Pica hudsonia); |
| 17:42.30 | RyanE | so maybe not an issue with magpies that are going after my chickens, but doesn't really help with the hawk issue... :) |
| 17:46.17 | joshh_ | i pelleted many magpies when i was growing up |
| 17:46.30 | joshh_ | but it was a different time |
| 17:47.02 | Migs | it's illegal shoot a BB gun in city limits? |
| 17:47.18 | RyanE | *You'll Shoot Your Eye Out!* |
| 17:47.19 | Migs | *to shoot |
| 17:47.48 | BigBen212 | one of my friend complained about pelleted pigeons in their yard. It's their neighbor and when asked about that, the neighbor pulls out the "No habla inglés" card ... |
| 17:48.12 | BigBen212 | Migs: as far as I know, it's illegal to do that within city limits |
| 17:48.21 | joshh_ | my magpie hunting grounds were unincorporated salt lake county in the 80s |
| 17:48.30 | Migs | what about stun guns? |
| 17:48.33 | Migs | can I use those on magpies? |
| 17:48.35 | joshh_ | now it's technically part of cottonwood heights and pretty different though |
| 17:49.16 | BigBen212 | Migs: as in those that have those small metal darts shooting out or are you planning to sneak up close enough to use one of the hand-helds ? :) |
| 17:49.23 | Migs | having a hard time finding any law saying operating a BB gun in the city is illegal, except in a couple counties |
| 17:49.43 | Migs | I don't have to sneak |
| 17:49.58 | Migs | these birds are so obsessed with harassing my cats that they don't care if there's people 1 foot away |
| 17:50.21 | Migs | they only go away the two cats that don't fight back...they leave the cat who does alone |
| 17:50.30 | Migs | *go after |
| 17:50.49 | BigBen212 | yup, they're mean little birds :) |
| 17:51.08 | BigBen212 | http://www.co.davis.ut.us/sheriff/shooting-laws-and-facts/restrictions-by-city |
| 17:51.13 | BigBen212 | Davis county has a list ... |
| 17:51.22 | joshh_ | i think it depends if bb guns are considered a firearm |
| 17:51.34 | BigBen212 | e.g. West Bountiful, you are not allowed to use a bb gun in the city |
| 17:51.41 | joshh_ | not sure about them but my hunting bow was and illegal to shoot in a backyard in the city etc |
| 17:52.08 | BigBen212 | Migs: which city > |
| 17:52.09 | BigBen212 | ? |
| 17:52.13 | BigBen212 | see if I can find something |
| 17:52.14 | Migs | Roy |
| 17:52.24 | Migs | I'm looking, too |
| 17:53.02 | BigBen212 | http://www.codepublishing.com/WA/Roy/?Roy08/Roy0804.html&?f ... but that's about parks |
| 17:53.20 | Migs | the law says I can kill magpies...how am I supposed to kill them? |
| 17:53.26 | Migs | says I can't use poison or explosives |
| 17:53.33 | Migs | do I capture them with a net then smash them? |
| 17:53.36 | BigBen212 | oh wait ... "WA" ... that might not be the correct "Roy" :) |
| 17:54.29 | Migs | maybe I can call animal control? |
| 17:54.47 | Migs | they could relocate the magpies and their nest to a safe place in the country |
| 17:58.49 | manithree | Nearly every municipality along the wasatch front has ordinances prohibiting pellet/bb guns and many even include slingshots and wrist rockets |
| 17:59.07 | BigBen212 | I'd start with a call to the city to see what their solution may be and then you can bring up you'd be willing to take care of the problem yourself with a bb gun and see what they say |
| 17:59.18 | Migs | that's a good idea |
| 17:59.23 | Migs | never hurts to ask about options |
| 17:59.57 | BigBen212 | with Davis county having a website that clearly spells out for each city what the rules are, maybe they would at least be able to point you into the right direction if they have tha tinformation available somewhere too |
| 18:00.31 | BigBen212 | but my gut feeling is that it's probably not allowed. |
| 18:00.32 | Migs | I'm not in Davis county |
| 18:00.37 | BigBen212 | I know |
| 18:00.39 | Migs | oh ok |
| 18:00.51 | Migs | Weber county's web resources blow turkey chunks |
| 18:00.53 | BigBen212 | I meant, Davis county has such a nice website with all the rules for each city |
| 18:00.55 | Migs | Roy's is even worse |
| 18:00.57 | BigBen212 | yup |
| 18:01.36 | BigBen212 | https://twitter.com/WeberCounty ... or ask them there ? |
| 18:02.02 | Migs | that would work |
| 18:02.20 | manithree | Sorry, prohibiting discharge, not blanket prohibiting |
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| 20:29.10 | jlp_znc | maybe you should ask google how to get rid of magpies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2R0NSKtVA0 |
| 21:05.37 | romanovic | for Migs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7o9-Anzrso |
| 21:28.18 | joshh_ | get a pet falcon |
| 21:28.22 | joshh_ | probably the only legal way |
| 21:28.40 | BigBen212 | joshh_: at least you can blame nature that way :) |
| 21:28.52 | BigBen212 | "I didn't mean to kill that magpie, but my falcon was hungry" |
| 21:29.12 | joshh_ | i see falcons eating pigeons pretty often, it can be messy actually |
| 21:29.23 | BigBen212 | afaik, there are many hoops for falconry though |
| 21:29.59 | BigBen212 | many applications and permits |
| 21:30.08 | BigBen212 | any chance to get some administrative overhead into it ;) |
| 21:31.18 | BigBen212 | interesting how many more rules are involved if you want to get into falconry, compared to say, buying a gun ... |
| 21:31.35 | joshh_ | well they don't have falcons at petsmart |
| 21:31.52 | joshh_ | but you can still buy a gun at a lot of stores easily |
| 21:31.52 | BigBen212 | yup, first hurdle :) |
| 21:32.13 | BigBen212 | you probably have to know people who are already in the sport to even get started |
| 21:33.07 | joshh_ | https://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-Falconer |
| 21:33.16 | BigBen212 | but, if you know somebody in the sport, and they are allowed to do this in residential areas (not even sure), you could probably invite them over for a beer and they'd just bring their falcon for an evening |
| 21:33.40 | BigBen212 | do that a couple of days in a row and the magpies may figure out they're not welcome. |
| 21:34.13 | BigBen212 | that really does sound like a cool sport, but I've got an aquarium at home that requires more attention than I can currently put into it :) |
| 21:35.06 | BigBen212 | joshh_: that is a cool summary |
| 21:37.42 | joshh_ | the falcon would soon become a bigger problem than the magpies |
| 21:37.51 | BigBen212 | haha, I know, for me it would |
| 21:38.32 | BigBen212 | if you are worried about a magpie picking at your cats, imagine a falcon who could just carry your cat away for food. |
| 21:47.36 | joshh_ | you could get a cat that hunts birds |
| 21:48.12 | BigBen212 | it would have to be a larger cat, one that isn't intimidated by magpies. |
| 21:48.28 | BigBen212 | or if not larger, at least a very very mean one :) |
| 21:49.20 | jlp_znc | get a dog. even my tiny terrier mix would pounce on the magpies if they got too close. |
| 21:49.36 | jlp_znc | she's pretty viscious. |
| 21:50.01 | BigBen212 | yup, I guess that should work |
| 21:50.13 | BigBen212 | Migs: problem solved, get a dog |
| 21:50.28 | joshh_ | maybe one of those fake owls |
| 21:50.28 | jlp_znc | of course, a dog might pounce on your cats, too. |
| 21:50.37 | joshh_ | though magpies are supposedly intelligent |
| 21:51.04 | BigBen212 | I doubt magpies would be scared away by fake owls for more than 10 minutes. |
| 21:52.22 | BigBen212 | https://sciencing.com/owl-work-scare-birds-away-4913851.html |
| 21:52.48 | BigBen212 | if stupid pigeons could figure it out after 4 days ... |
| 21:53.35 | BigBen212 | 4 pigeon days equate to about 10 magpie minutes |
| 21:54.30 | romanovic | would take magpies over cats/dogs/house pets. so done with pets, for the rest of my life |
| 21:54.50 | BigBen212 | ouch, romanovic |
| 21:55.48 | BigBen212 | now if magpies could just read signs, I'd put one up: "Go to romanovic's house instead" |
| 21:58.07 | romanovic | I should build a magpie/crow playground for them to congregate. my neighbors would be so pleased. http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-31604026 |
| 21:59.59 | BigBen212 | I guess there's a reason magpies have a nickname in German: "Diebische Elster" (thieving magpie) |
| 22:00.06 | BigBen212 | they do collect stuff |
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| 22:47.22 | youtah | Hey spangborn!!! I found something for you! https://github.com/TheRaz/DerpPlusPlus |
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| 23:57.15 | spangborn | Wat |