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| 14:49.00 | jlp_znc | youtah_home: where did you buy your TM-V71A from? |
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| 15:05.39 | youtah | https://content.myfitnesspal.com/security-information/notice.html << huh |
| 15:09.09 | spangborn | Yes, they got hacked a month or so ago |
| 15:09.20 | spangborn | old news ;p |
| 15:27.45 | youtah | your face is old news |
| 15:27.59 | youtah | how come you didn't share it with the rest of the class spangborn? huh? huh? |
| 15:28.13 | spangborn | Probably because you weren't in class pal |
| 15:28.22 | youtah | are you saying I am a Ute? |
| 15:28.28 | youtah | are you saying I am without class? |
| 15:28.33 | youtah | classless perhaps? |
| 15:28.42 | youtah | Sounds like something a BYU Quarterback would say |
| 15:29.17 | youtah | brb stand up |
| 15:50.49 | jlp_znc | youtah: where did you buy your TM-V71A from? |
| 15:50.59 | youtah | KSL |
| 15:51.04 | jlp_znc | ah |
| 15:51.20 | youtah | A guy had used it only one time a week for the last 3 years for the RACES Net |
| 15:51.30 | youtah | so it was essentially in like new condition |
| 16:15.08 | jlp_znc | nice |
| 16:16.08 | jlp_znc | I want to get one for my jeep, but I think I also need a CB since most people on the trails have one and are not hams. |
| 16:16.24 | jlp_znc | but I don't wany my wife to freak out from too many radios and antennas :D |
| 16:22.48 | jfindlay | anyone here have android command line experience? |
| 16:22.54 | jfindlay | apn shell |
| 16:23.05 | jlp_znc | yeah, why? |
| 16:23.29 | jfindlay | s/apn/adb/ |
| 16:23.49 | jlp_znc | 2564 bash$ adb shell |
| 16:23.50 | jlp_znc | * daemon not running; starting now at tcp:5037 |
| 16:23.50 | jlp_znc | * daemon started successfully |
| 16:23.50 | jlp_znc | shamu:/ # |
| 16:24.02 | jlp_znc | what about it? |
| 16:24.26 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: do you know how to list the namespaces that can appear in `content query --uri content://$namespace/$namespace`? |
| 16:25.03 | jlp_znc | do you have an example? |
| 16:25.06 | jfindlay | or even where that data is stored? |
| 16:25.15 | jlp_znc | I'm not an android dev... |
| 16:25.21 | jfindlay | content query --uri content://telephony/providers |
| 16:26.41 | jfindlay | 'android dev' spans a range at least as sundry as the distribution of apps in the store |
| 16:27.20 | jfindlay | there's a glut of android info on the intertubez that is blatantly wrong |
| 16:28.35 | jfindlay | and then the people responsible for adding support for various roms on various devices communicate via ... forum, srsly!? |
| 16:30.31 | jfindlay | and the official docs are completely inadequate, almost as if the official google devs hail from the same class of brogrammers |
| 16:31.07 | jfindlay | it's kind of amazing android works at all |
| 16:31.27 | jlp_znc | too true |
| 16:34.22 | jlp_znc | maybe in /service_contexts? |
| 16:35.09 | jlp_znc | maybe not |
| 16:35.42 | jfindlay | [this](https://leesei.github.io/android-content/) seems to imply that namespaces correspond to app databases in /data/data |
| 16:36.20 | jfindlay | but telephony.providers is not in there, so if true it must work as an overlay |
| 16:37.15 | jlp_znc | I got nothing from querying telephony/providers, but I could query settings/system |
| 16:38.10 | jfindlay | I'm working in lineageOS, so that may be different |
| 16:39.09 | jfindlay | actually what I'm looking for is the selected APN config, whereas telephony/providers (or com.android.providers.telephony?) is a global list of all APN connection strings |
| 16:40.02 | jfindlay | my phone does not allow me to set the APN in the settings gui because it does not have an (external) SIM card |
| 16:48.52 | jlp_znc | hmmm, ls -d /data/data/*provider* gives a list of some providers (blockednumber, calendar, contacts, downloads, media, settings, telephony, userdictionary on my device) |
| 16:51.44 | jlp_znc | but I don't see anything useful in there |
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| 16:53.30 | jlp_znc | I see /data/misc/profiles/cur/0/com.android.providers.telephony/primary.prof, but it's empty. |
| 16:54.32 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: do you have any data in /data/data/com.android.providers.telephony or similar? |
| 16:55.09 | jlp_znc | just a bunch of empty directories and a symlink called lib that points to a non-existent file |
| 16:55.25 | jlp_znc | /system/priv-app/TelephonyProvider/lib/arm, which doesn't exist |
| 16:55.53 | jlp_znc | it looked promising, with directories like cache, code_cache, databases, files, but they're all empty |
| 16:56.41 | jfindlay | seems consistent with android moving things around every release. All the info available online is for old releases |
| 16:58.53 | jlp_znc | I think my phone is on 7.1 |
| 16:59.12 | jlp_znc | 7.1.2 |
| 17:00.05 | jfindlay | me too |
| 17:00.28 | BigBen212 | I know it's not 100% related, but https://xkcd.com/1988/ |
| 17:00.50 | BigBen212 | jlp_znc, jfindlay ... glue might solve all your issues. |
| 17:02.49 | jfindlay | jlp_znc: do you have any data in /persist/telephony/apn.perm? |
| 17:08.37 | jlp_znc | I don't even have telephony under /persist |
| 17:09.09 | jfindlay | hm |
| 17:09.15 | joshh | i take it googling for phone model and what you're looking for didn't turn up exact path? |
| 17:09.15 | jlp_znc | hm, indeed |
| 17:09.28 | jlp_znc | joshh: ha ha ha ha ha |
| 17:09.43 | joshh | lol |
| 17:10.27 | jfindlay | joshh: there might be something out there, but it's buried under a crapload of paratechnical gibberish |
| 17:11.20 | joshh | paratechnical seems like a good word |
| 17:11.54 | jfindlay | let's hope it doesn't become the latest hot tech job title |
| 17:12.29 | joshh | sounds like a paratrooper who has to carry an ipad into the battle |
| 17:12.45 | jlp_znc | better than an ipaq |
| 17:13.04 | jfindlay | also, I've done a `find / -name $name` for several telephony and apn versions of $name |
| 17:13.49 | jlp_znc | I found a telephony.db under /data/user_de/0/com.android.providers.telephony/databases/ |
| 17:14.21 | jlp_znc | let's see what's in there... |
| 17:14.29 | jlp_znc | tables: android_metadata, carriers, and siminfo |
| 17:15.17 | jlp_znc | 2881 rows in the carriers table |
| 17:16.36 | jlp_znc | siminfo has one row: 1|<my sim id here>|0|CARD 1|T-Mobile|0|-16746133||1|0|310|260|1|1|1|1|4|0|1|1|0|1|0|1 |
| 17:16.45 | jfindlay | nice |
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| 17:17.51 | jfindlay | me: 1|DUMMY_NV_ID|0|CARD 1|Roaming Indicator Off|0|-16746133||1|0|0|0|4|1|1|1|1|4|0|1|1|0|1|0|1 |
| 17:18.21 | jlp_znc | ha, content query --uri content://telephony/siminfo dumps that same data! |
| 17:18.55 | jlp_znc | and content query --uri content://telephony/carriers dumps the contents of the carriers table |
| 17:19.14 | jlp_znc | e.g. Row: 2879 _id=2880, name=Orange World MG, numeric=64602, mcc=646, mnc=02, apn=orangeworld, user=world, server=, password=orange, proxy=10.150.0.115, port=8080, mmsproxy=, mmsport=, mmsc=, authtype=-1, type=default, current=NULL, protocol=IP, roaming_protocol=IP, carrier_enabled=1, bearer=0, bearer_bitmask=0, mvno_type=, mvno_match_data=, sub_id=-1, profile_id=0, modem_cognitive=0, max_conns=0, |
| 17:19.20 | jlp_znc | wait_time=0, max_conns_time=0, mtu=0, edited=0, user_visible=1 |
| 17:19.32 | jfindlay | which probably means that `content set --uri content://telephony/siminfo ...` will update the same |
| 17:19.40 | jlp_znc | I suspect so |
| 17:19.53 | jfindlay | s/set/update/ |
| 17:19.53 | jlp_znc | but I'm not going to muck with that 8D |
| 17:20.56 | jlp_znc | so, ls -d /data/user_de/0/*provider* seems to give a list of providers |
| 17:23.04 | jlp_znc | hmmm, content query --uri content://contacts/calls doesn't work, though :( |
| 17:23.49 | jfindlay | my next task is to find a way to dump text conversations into my home network backup system |
| 17:24.14 | jlp_znc | like sms? |
| 17:24.17 | jfindlay | yes |
| 17:24.44 | jlp_znc | content query --uri content://sms/ seemed to dump a bunch of text messages |
| 17:24.48 | BigBen212 | can't you just download those from the NSA ? |
| 17:24.58 | BigBen212 | FOIA request should do it. |
| 17:25.41 | jfindlay | BigBen212: noway, my tax dollars fund that boondoggle, I should at least get a useful service out of it |
| 17:26.00 | jlp_znc | I used to use some sms backup app that would copy them up to e.g. google drive or some such service |
| 17:26.16 | jlp_znc | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.riteshsahu.SMSBackupRestore&hl=en_US |
| 17:26.23 | BigBen212 | or from what I hear, it's part of your facebook data if you've got the app on your phone |
| 17:26.45 | BigBen212 | so if you download your facebook data (it's a nice zip file), it may be part of it |
| 17:27.00 | BigBen212 | it wasn't for me, because I don't use the facebook app |
| 17:27.41 | jfindlay | fb.app slurps way too much resource to be useful as a backup vector |
| 17:35.44 | spangborn | wow, gateway is getting a new food place |
| 17:35.47 | spangborn | it's a miracle |
| 17:36.06 | BigBen212 | I miss that Thaifoon there a bit |
| 17:36.24 | spangborn | I'd post the contents of the e-mail I got, but it's an image :| |
| 17:36.28 | jlp_znc | what? gateway is still alive? |
| 17:36.53 | jlp_znc | didn't they have the cow-patterned boxes for their computers? |
| 17:36.57 | BigBen212 | I think the movie theatre survives solely on being rented out for company events |
| 17:37.23 | BigBen212 | haha, jlp_znc ... what did happen to *that* gateway ? |
| 17:37.26 | BigBen212 | did Dell buy them? |
| 17:37.39 | jlp_znc | http://www.gateway.com/gw/en/US/content/home |
| 17:37.59 | BigBen212 | wait .. they're really still around ? |
| 17:38.18 | BigBen212 | oh, Acer owns them |
| 17:38.23 | jlp_znc | in 2007 Gateway was acquired by Acer |
| 17:39.24 | BigBen212 | I guess there's always some companies that don't die, they just get picked up |
| 17:40.42 | BigBen212 | Just cleaned out a drawer. Found 3.5" floppies. Some where AOL :) |
| 17:41.28 | BigBen212 | together with a single disc from a King's Quest |
| 17:41.28 | jlp_znc | wow |
| 17:41.37 | BigBen212 | not the whole set though |
| 18:21.51 | jfindlay | I'm about ready to give up on this quest. Setting the APN should be easy, as in from the settings app, if only your phone has a sim card. Since my phone does not, I seem to be out of options |
| 18:21.59 | jfindlay | timebox achieved |
| 18:37.04 | jfindlay | my guess is stock is doing some secret sauce, possibly proprietary to the phone model that can activate APN configs without a conventional SIM and that lineageOS doesn't know about it |
| 18:38.53 | jfindlay | also ops in #lineageos exhibit recklessly condescending traits with abandon |
| 19:22.46 | youtah | jlp_znc, most of the hams I know that go off-roading use the FT-2900R |
| 19:27.19 | jlp_znc | jfindlay: re: ops in #lineageos, common problem on the interwebs |
| 19:27.46 | jlp_znc | youtah: yeah, but you like that yaesu junk. |
| 19:29.45 | jsmith | youtah: And those awful LDG tuners... |
| 19:34.11 | youtah | WUT |
| 19:34.41 | youtah | jsmith, they are coming out with a baofeng antenna tuner |
| 19:34.45 | youtah | just fo you |
| 19:34.46 | youtah | for |
| 19:35.11 | jlp_znc | snort |
| 19:35.31 | jlp_znc | does baofeng make an HF rig? |
| 19:36.12 | jlp_znc | actually, gheir UV-50X3 mobile looks pretty nice |
| 19:36.17 | youtah | no, but if/when they do... it will sell like hotcakes |
| 19:36.25 | jlp_znc | https://baofengtech.com/uv-50x3 |
| 19:36.31 | jlp_znc | tri-band |
| 19:36.35 | youtah | the screens are too small |
| 19:37.25 | jsmith | youtah: Yeah, I doubt that :-p |
| 19:37.48 | jsmith | youtah: Unfortunately, all the MFJ-939I tuners are out of stock everywhere, because they're so popular :-p |
| 19:37.48 | youtah | when it is mounted on the dash, something of that size is harder to read than you think |
| 19:38.03 | youtah | jsmith, those are $$$ |
| 19:38.13 | jlp_znc | how often are you gawking at the display while you're driving? |
| 19:38.34 | youtah | you look at it out of the corner of your eye when you're changing memories |
| 19:38.57 | jsmith | youtah: $150-ish... less than the LDG, faster tuning, more memories, and wider SWR range :-) |
| 19:38.59 | youtah | I am serious... the FT-2900R has a HUGE screen. I thought it was almost silly when I first put it in the car |
| 19:39.07 | jlp_znc | you don't just twist the knob and count the clicks? |
| 19:39.09 | youtah | and now anything less is hard to read and annoying |
| 19:39.37 | youtah | jsmith, less integration IIRC |
| 19:40.09 | jlp_znc | display head is 6.3" x 2.6" |
| 19:40.16 | youtah | the LCD |
| 19:40.43 | jlp_znc | it looks to be maybe a quarter inch smaller on each side |
| 19:40.46 | youtah | http://www.eham.net/data/classifieds/images/365419.jpg |
| 19:40.49 | youtah | Compare that |
| 19:40.55 | youtah | Look at the font size in the LCD |
| 19:41.30 | youtah | Versus https://www.hamradio.com/images_manuf/H0-008951b.jpg |
| 19:42.27 | jlp_znc | probably about a half inch tall |
| 19:42.52 | youtah | I have both, and I promise the 2900R's font is massive in comparison |
| 19:43.11 | jlp_znc | you have the UV-50X3? |
| 19:43.31 | jlp_znc | and the image you just posted is a kenwood. :D |
| 19:43.43 | youtah | Oh, I thought we were still talking about the Kenwood |
| 19:43.55 | youtah | the UV-50X3 is comparable in font size to the 8800R |
| 19:43.59 | jlp_znc | you were talking about the FT-2900R |
| 19:44.22 | youtah | Correct. 2900R vs the TM-V71A |
| 19:44.35 | jlp_znc | oh, ok, I see your other link now. |
| 19:44.50 | youtah | but I still dont know of another radio that has as large of a font size as the 2900R |
| 19:45.10 | jlp_znc | the Kenwood looks about the same as the Baofeng |
| 19:45.16 | youtah | it probably is |
| 19:45.30 | youtah | which is about the same as the 8800R 8900R and the 7900R |
| 19:46.37 | jlp_znc | so, UV-50X3 at $349, TM-V71 at ... what's Gigapart's price? $355. |
| 19:46.47 | youtah | about htat |
| 19:46.48 | jlp_znc | hmmm, I think I'd spring for the extra $15 for the Kenwood. |
| 19:46.49 | youtah | that |
| 19:46.53 | youtah | Ditto |
| 19:47.06 | jlp_znc | if the Baofeng was $100 cheaper, maybe |
| 19:51.07 | youtah | https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/02/mother-19-stabbed-boyfriend-had-sexual-intercourse-dressed-clown/ |
| 19:51.14 | youtah | well, there ya go |
| 19:51.36 | youtah | that's got to be the strangest thing I've read all day |
| 19:51.59 | jlp_znc | "more exhilarating". okay. |
| 19:52.13 | youtah | Dude |
| 19:52.17 | youtah | the more i read the article |
| 19:52.19 | youtah | the worse it gets |
| 19:58.51 | jlp_znc | wow... just... wow. |
| 19:59.00 | youtah | lol |
| 19:59.05 | youtah | Exactly. |
| 19:59.24 | jlp_znc | I wonder how that conversation went down... "no, I don't want to be tied up with duct tape... just put a pillow over my head." hmmm, nope. |
| 19:59.56 | jlp_znc | I'm pretty happy to not be in the dating scene these days. it's a little too woo hoo out there. |
| 20:00.06 | youtah | Especially in the UK, apparently |
| 21:29.22 | BigBen212 | youtah: not sure the UK is much different than here |
| 23:09.35 | youtah | What do you guys do to clean up old remote branches that are local on your machine? |
| 23:09.56 | youtah | (using git) |
| 23:11.51 | youtah | there's got to be a better way than git branch -d old-branch-name |
| 23:12.02 | youtah | I dont want to go through and keep deleting all of these |
| 23:12.03 | youtah | lol |
| 23:18.05 | youtah | https://railsware.com/blog/2014/08/11/git-housekeeping-tutorial-clean-up-outdated-branches-in-local-and-remote-repositories/ |
| 23:18.09 | youtah | Ahhhh, there we go |
| 23:18.59 | youtah | git fetch -p is what I was looking for |
| 23:19.23 | jlp_znc | I just delete them after I merge as I go along. |
