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| 06:41.21 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
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| 16:46.39 | SunSparc | ~monday |
| 16:46.39 | infobot | i guess monday is when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix, or and on a more positive note, Monday is a brand new day at the beginning of a brand new week, a place to start over and improve on last week. :), or the end of the weekend, a.k.a. the weekendend |
| 17:25.52 | youtah | all I know, is that apparently I am getting old |
| 17:28.41 | youtah | after Lagoon this weekend, I spent money on Dramamine & ibuprofen. I need to get a massage and go to a chiropractor |
| 17:30.12 | spangborn | more like chiro-quack-tor |
| 17:34.01 | youtah | I feel like i've been through a rock tumbler |
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| 17:36.33 | RyanE | eh, you could use a good polish. |
| 18:06.03 | jlp_znc | heh, chiro-quack-tor. I'm going to steal that one. |
| 18:06.25 | jlp_znc | youtah: you just need to be more careful which rides you let the kids sucker you onto. |
| 18:07.25 | SunSparc | youtah: actually, you need to spend more time playing like your kids do so that your body is used to that kind of fun. :) |
| 18:08.15 | SunSparc | takes umbrage at the calling of chiropractors quacks |
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| 18:38.53 | frostyfrog | Sounds like a good strategy in my book |
| 18:39.35 | frostyfrog | There's just the problem that school gets out before work >_> |
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| 18:53.37 | youtah | SunSparc, |
| 18:53.38 | youtah | naw |
| 18:53.44 | youtah | they're Quackerpracters |
| 18:54.30 | youtah | There are a few, legitimate, awesome chiropractors in the state... but several of them, super crazy. |
| 18:54.38 | youtah | I had one, that told me to "Arise and walk!" |
| 18:54.42 | youtah | I never went back |
| 18:55.11 | RyanE | My wife likes her chiro, but some of the stuff he tells her is pretty 'out there' as far as it goes. |
| 18:55.21 | RyanE | i.e. your ribs have shifted out of place. |
| 18:55.36 | RyanE | yeah, they're kind of designed not to be able to do that... It's kind of their point. |
| 18:55.38 | unum | I've developed a negative view of chiropractors(based on a very limited sample) |
| 18:56.03 | RyanE | If I went to a chiro, I'd get an eye sprain from all the rolling. :) |
| 19:08.58 | spangborn | Chiropractors are a joke |
| 19:09.14 | spangborn | I had a coworker who claimed a chiro fixed his wife's celiac disease |
| 19:09.18 | spangborn | I shit you not |
| 19:09.22 | RyanE | wow. |
| 19:09.40 | RyanE | did he adjust her intestinal permiability by external manipulation? |
| 19:09.46 | spangborn | lol apparently |
| 19:09.58 | spangborn | I mean, I honestly think a lot of people who claim to have Celiac are faking it |
| 19:10.14 | spangborn | There have been studies that have shown that it's all in their head for some people |
| 19:10.40 | RyanE | yeah, my wife has Dermatitis Herpetiformis, which is like celiac without the stomache issues, but with an annoying rash. |
| 19:10.50 | RyanE | she stops eating gluten, it goes away. She starts again, it comes back. |
| 19:11.01 | RyanE | it also only started after having our first child. |
| 19:11.07 | RyanE | oddly enough, it didn't bother her while pregnant. |
| 19:11.10 | spangborn | I don't doubt some people actually have Celiac |
| 19:11.25 | spangborn | But I think that number is much smaller than it would seem |
| 19:11.32 | RyanE | didn't think you did, but yeah, some people have it 'in the head'. |
| 19:11.39 | RyanE | supposedly 1/100 people have celiac. |
| 19:11.43 | spangborn | I've also seen a weird correlation between people with Celiac and people who went through eating disorder phases |
| 19:12.23 | RyanE | my wife had it in the family. When she was diagnosed after years of not knowing what it was, her family was like "oh yeah, aunt so-and-so had that."... |
| 19:12.23 | spangborn | Sounds legit |
| 19:12.53 | RyanE | geez, thanks... |
| 19:12.53 | RyanE | would've been nice to know a bit earlier |
| 19:12.53 | RyanE | I tell her she contributes all the defective genes in our relationship. |
| 19:12.56 | RyanE | she finds it less funny than I do |
| 19:13.04 | spangborn | The really interesting thing is when they give Celiac people "placebo food" |
| 19:13.08 | spangborn | and tell them it has gluten |
| 19:13.40 | spangborn | Largely I think most of these people have just destroyed their digestive systems and nearly everything they eat causes an "issue" of some sort |
| 19:13.56 | RyanE | sure that's part of the issue. |
| 19:14.19 | RyanE | Not to mention most of the 'Standard American Diet' is pro-inflammatory. |
| 19:14.19 | RyanE | inflammation is the root of many diseases. |
| 19:14.19 | spangborn | I feel for the people that actually have it, because there are so many people pretending that the people who actually experience it get a bad rap |
| 19:14.29 | spangborn | Agreed |
| 19:14.41 | spangborn | I mean, I'm no scientist, so this is just purely conjecture, but I think so much of this is a load of crap |
| 19:14.53 | RyanE | chiro is indeed. |
| 19:16.01 | spangborn | It's funny because the guy who "discovered" Celiac later had another study that showed the exact opposite results |
| 19:16.17 | spangborn | It's almost like humans are really good at tricking themselves |
| 19:17.09 | spangborn | hypochondria is fascinating |
| 19:17.33 | RyanE | Cold, Pollen, and my brain all can trigger asthma symptoms. |
| 19:17.33 | RyanE | pretty sure. |
| 19:17.57 | spangborn | Asthma symptoms? WebMD says toenail cancer |
| 19:18.01 | RyanE | heh |
| 19:18.12 | RyanE | yeah, that's why I cut my feet off. Can't be too safe. |
| 19:18.33 | RyanE | sadly my first bike ride of this year, a couple of weeks ago, I forgot my asthma inhaler. Sucked. |
| 19:18.47 | RyanE | like my lungs couldn't get out of first gear. |
| 19:19.04 | spangborn | :( |
| 19:19.12 | RyanE | last week's was better. |
| 19:19.19 | spangborn | I don't know if I'm getting sick, or if my cardio just tanked |
| 19:19.27 | spangborn | I find myself coughing for about an hour after a hard ride |
| 19:19.47 | spangborn | Could even be exercise induced asthma, for all I know |
| 19:19.51 | spangborn | *hypochondria intensifies* |
| 19:19.52 | RyanE | probably fighting something, unless you have allergies. |
| 19:19.55 | RyanE | it's been so warm. |
| 19:20.08 | spangborn | Could very well be both |
| 19:20.34 | spangborn | There are some points during rides where I can feel myself struggling for enough air and it freaks me out, which makes it worse |
| 19:20.46 | spangborn | I can't even imagine having regular asthma |
| 19:20.58 | spangborn | I'd probably panic myself into an attack on a regular basis |
| 19:21.04 | RyanE | I had one time I took my inhaler right after I stopped on an uphill... thought I was going to die. |
| 19:21.14 | RyanE | Found out I needed to calm my heart down a bit first. :) |
| 19:21.44 | spangborn | Well don't most inhalers temporarily increase heart rate anyway? |
| 19:21.54 | RyanE | I don't notice it. |
| 19:22.00 | RyanE | but probably |
| 19:22.43 | spangborn | Ah, looks like albuterol does at least |
| 19:22.46 | spangborn | "Albuterol causes off-target effects on β1 -receptors in the heart leading to tachycardia." |
| 19:22.58 | RyanE | fun fun |
| 19:23.03 | spangborn | So probably a good idea to try to lower HR first |
| 19:23.13 | RyanE | unless I want it to 'splode |
| 19:23.17 | spangborn | lol |
| 19:23.29 | spangborn | There are times where death might feel better than climbing a hill |
| 19:23.39 | RyanE | I don't do much climbing. |
| 19:23.48 | RyanE | I'm not a 'hard core' rider like you are. |
| 19:24.04 | RyanE | I do Murdock Canal trail, Provo River Pkwy trail. |
| 19:24.21 | spangborn | I still need to go check those out |
| 19:24.23 | RyanE | which I can round trip from my house (mid-canal trail), about 40 miles. |
| 19:24.27 | spangborn | I've done a little bit of Murdock, I think? |
| 19:24.48 | spangborn | That's a significant distance! |
| 19:24.54 | RyanE | Since it's built on the canal, it's a pretty tame level. |
| 19:25.17 | RyanE | there is a bit of a climb up the Provo River Pkwy trail, from the mouth of the canyon to Vivian Park. |
| 19:25.28 | spangborn | Oh I guess I haven't |
| 19:25.37 | spangborn | I though it also ran north of Point of the Mountain |
| 19:25.40 | spangborn | *thought |
| 19:25.42 | RyanE | nope |
| 19:25.57 | spangborn | I should check that out sometime |
| 19:26.03 | RyanE | runs from provo canyon (800 N) to I-15, basically. |
| 19:26.12 | RyanE | I think it's 30 miles round-trip. |
| 19:26.30 | spangborn | Heh, so I could basically ride from West Jordan to my old house in Provo almost completely on a bike path |
| 19:26.35 | spangborn | nifty |
| 19:26.39 | RyanE | pretty much. |
| 19:26.48 | spangborn | 1472 S 700 E was where I lived in Provo |
| 19:27.07 | RyanE | the parkway trail I only ride up the canyon, but it also goes on University Pkwy all the way to BYU. |
| 19:27.36 | spangborn | Well I can see why you wouldn't want to ride it all th eway |
| 19:27.44 | RyanE | Kind of out of the way for me. |
| 19:28.08 | RyanE | I'm working up to my 'long' ride, which I like to do 2x/week. Here's one from last year: https://www.strava.com/activities/1103401864 |
| 19:28.16 | RyanE | nice long ride, but slow. :) |
| 19:28.46 | spangborn | Nice! |
| 19:28.51 | spangborn | It's a pretty canyon |
| 19:28.55 | RyanE | it is. |
| 19:29.05 | RyanE | you ride right past Bridal Veil Falls, which is fun. |
| 19:29.17 | spangborn | That's one of my favorite places down there |
| 19:29.29 | RyanE | I mean, the Provo River Parkway part is pretty. Murdock Canal is people's back yards. Not scenic. |
| 19:29.32 | RyanE | :) |
| 19:29.33 | spangborn | I remember when the gondola was still there and functioning, bust just barely |
| 19:29.41 | RyanE | yeah, it was when I was a teen. |
| 19:29.47 | RyanE | I never took it up for the dances they used to have. |
| 19:29.54 | RyanE | a *bit* before my time |
| 19:30.00 | spangborn | I also recall someone shoving a fridge out the top of the lodge |
| 19:30.11 | RyanE | They closed the park for a month or two last year to remove the remnants. |
| 19:30.31 | spangborn | It's too bad it never got rebuilt. Such a cool spot. |
| 19:31.00 | RyanE | I'm a bit chicken to bike up AF Canyon. if I could do that, I could round trip from my house. |
| 19:31.20 | spangborn | It's on my list to do this year |
| 19:31.22 | RyanE | my house, 1 mile to the mouth of the canyon, up and over, down past Sundance, then the Murdock back. |
| 19:31.41 | spangborn | I'd probably want to do it on my gravel bike and ride some of the fire roads |
| 19:31.54 | RyanE | yeah, I've heard there are quite a few up there. |
| 19:32.17 | spangborn | https://www.strava.com/routes/9639372 |
| 19:32.18 | RyanE | well, meeting time. Later. |
| 19:32.19 | spangborn | This is one I want to do |
| 19:32.22 | spangborn | enjoy |
| 19:32.40 | RyanE | wow, that looks ambitious. |
| 19:32.41 | RyanE | :) |
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| 20:02.20 | SunSparc | still takes umbrage at the calling of chiropractors quacks |
| 20:03.02 | SunSparc | That is a stereotype. Certainly there will be those who fit the bill, but that does not represent the whole group. |
| 20:03.23 | SunSparc | And I have known plenty of excellent chiropractors. |
| 20:08.14 | youtah | spangborn, one chiropractor I also went to (upon recommendation of a very well known database guru here in Utah) tried to lay me upside down and put chopsticks in my nose to cure my allergies and drain my sinuses. |
| 20:08.17 | youtah | No thank you |
| 20:08.29 | spangborn | lol |
| 20:08.31 | spangborn | they're all quacks |
| 20:08.44 | youtah | but the guy I have gone to in the past, he does the US Ski Team |
| 20:08.56 | youtah | he even does Chiropractics too |
| 20:08.59 | youtah | ;) |
| 20:09.03 | spangborn | Wow, I guess he gets around |
| 20:09.03 | youtah | is going on a walk |
| 20:09.20 | spangborn | damnit, I was hoping to beat you to the punch on that one |
| 20:09.26 | jfindlay | if you generalize about chiropractors, are you the greater ignoramus? |
| 20:10.12 | spangborn | I'd be interested to see the science that says that anything they do is more than a placebo effect |
| 20:12.08 | jfindlay | in my experience there's little more to it than eliminating pain an muscle strain from misaligned bones |
| 20:12.19 | jfindlay | like getting a massage |
| 20:12.45 | jfindlay | lots of massagers use quack rocks, but nobody generalizes about them |
| 20:12.53 | jfindlay | generalizes the generalizers |
| 20:14.15 | spangborn | The alignment stuff is bunk |
| 20:14.32 | spangborn | Some chiros probably have decent PT knowledge, but the alignment business is absurd |
| 20:15.08 | jfindlay | ok |
| 20:15.13 | spangborn | and if you're really after a "sports therapy" kind of thing, a PT has a lower likelihood of perpetuating nonsense pseudomedicine |
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| 20:37.38 | SunSparc | had no idea that spangborn had studied all the health sciences so in-depth as to be able to know it all |
| 20:37.41 | SunSparc | bows |
| 20:37.49 | spangborn | I do know everything |
| 20:37.53 | spangborn | It's a skill of mine |
| 20:37.59 | SunSparc | obviously ;) |
| 20:38.20 | SunSparc | Congratulations on such an acheivement. |
| 20:38.31 | SunSparc | ~congrats |
| 20:39.18 | spangborn | lol |
| 20:40.46 | youtah | And today has been brought to you by: Yak Shaving |
| 20:41.28 | spangborn | What happened to the herding cats sponsorship? |
| 20:41.50 | youtah | too organized, not enough levels |
| 20:51.13 | frostyfrog | Tomorrow's got the ceiling cat sponsorship |
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| 21:49.45 | aeryndunham | GAH why can't I center the thing |
| 21:49.48 | aeryndunham | damn you tumblr |
| 22:40.55 | frostyfrog | lol |
| 22:56.31 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: i posted on my blog today for the first time in like 6 months :p |
| 22:56.47 | frostyfrog | \o/ |
| 22:56.54 | frostyfrog | rushes off to read :3 |
| 22:57.11 | frostyfrog | Oooo, ouch! |
| 22:59.11 | jlp_znc | https://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4148 |
| 22:59.25 | aeryndunham | haha it's a good story |
| 22:59.41 | aeryndunham | I am going to redesign the site soon, but I'm working on a tumblr template first |
| 22:59.55 | aeryndunham | which is proving challenging because tumblrs {Content} tags don't seem to want to listen to CSS |
| 23:00.03 | frostyfrog | Yup :/ |
| 23:00.37 | frostyfrog | is trying to build a blog theme using W3.CSS, so far, it's pretty crappy. :/ |
| 23:01.11 | aeryndunham | I also want to learn CSS Grid |
| 23:03.02 | aeryndunham | I should be learning a lot MORE than I am because EYO still unemployed but I get so discouraged so fast :p |
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