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| 13:42.09 | eightyeight | woah |
| 13:42.19 | eightyeight | Bloodythorn: connection problems? |
| 13:42.30 | eightyeight | er |
| 13:42.34 | eightyeight | BLZbubba: ^^ |
| 13:42.44 | eightyeight | Bloodythorn: bad tab-complete. sorry. |
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| 17:49.38 | aeryndunham | Ugh, I'm having trouble with this unit in my web development course but I'm sure my code is identical to the instructor's so I thinking some changes have been made to this NPM package this part is depending on and I can't figure it out =( |
| 17:52.27 | jsmith | aeryndunham: Can you paste an example somewhere? |
| 17:52.54 | aeryndunham | I can try, yeah, it's multiple files. |
| 17:55.04 | aeryndunham | https://pastebin.com/yaxSY32U |
| 18:01.14 | aeryndunham | is close to pulling her hair out |
| 18:13.58 | aeryndunham | ahh I got it jsmith |
| 18:14.13 | jsmith | aeryndunham: Cool :-) |
| 18:14.14 | aeryndunham | Someone who uses Express said to add another app.use line for that solved it |
| 18:14.24 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 18:29.20 | aeryndunham | Ooh, next lesson is on using APIS. Fun! |
| 19:25.52 | unum | eightyeight: https://gizmodo.com/the-house-that-spied-on-me-1822429852 |
| 19:26.01 | unum | have you already seen that? |
| 19:29.30 | spangborn | Express is fun |
| 19:31.40 | romanovic | is Express a good framework for small server side projects or basic APIs? |
| 19:32.23 | romanovic | Python and django used to be my go-to if I wanted to put together a quick service |
| 19:32.43 | romanovic | but I don't know what everyone uses these days that has the most packages available, and actively maintained |
| 19:33.47 | romanovic | Now that I'm writing front-ends with Typescript and Angular, I wonder if it would just be easier to write services in Typescript as well |
| 19:36.03 | romanovic | works on one TS/express service, but doesn't have enough data yet to know whether he'd prefer it in the future |
| 19:36.49 | eightyeight | unum: I haven't, but that's a lengthy read. Heh. |
| 19:40.21 | aeryndunham | I like Express so far |
| 19:40.25 | aeryndunham | But I don't have much to compare it to |
| 19:42.39 | spangborn | romanovic: Yeah, I'd say so |
| 19:42.58 | spangborn | I've used it for some simple apps/APIs |
| 19:43.12 | spangborn | Combined with Socket.io for websockets |
| 19:43.59 | aeryndunham | I don't even know what a websocket is yet, dang. So much to still learn! |
| 19:44.18 | spangborn | Just think of it as a connection that stays open and sends data back and forth, just like a regular socket |
| 19:44.32 | spangborn | It's good for streaming data |
| 19:44.37 | RyanE | main difference is, you 'upgrade' an HTTP/S connection to a websocket connection. |
| 19:44.46 | spangborn | YEp |
| 19:44.51 | RyanE | i.e. start web, then go socket-like. |
| 19:44.53 | aeryndunham | Ohh, ok |
| 19:44.56 | aeryndunham | That makes sense |
| 19:45.10 | spangborn | Socket.io is a pretty nice JS library that handles both the server and client side of it |
| 19:45.50 | aeryndunham | wishes she had started seriously trying to learn all this a decade ago. But alas. Better late than never! |
| 19:46.12 | spangborn | Now is a pretty good time to learn it, IMO. A lot of the more annoying problems have been solved by libraries |
| 19:46.18 | RyanE | eh, you were busy that decade... :) |
| 19:46.22 | spangborn | So you're building on the back of giants |
| 19:47.23 | aeryndunham | Mostly I love that literally every internet community I am in, no matter what the topic ostensibly is, is in reality full of other nerdy nerds who can help me with my homework :p |
| 19:47.49 | RyanE | yeah, more fun than doing my *actual* work... :) |
| 19:48.01 | romanovic | yeah, you can just skip over the crap people dealt with 10 years ago. like SOAP... *shudder* |
| 19:48.23 | RyanE | some of us are still dealing with that... :| |
| 19:48.31 | romanovic | :C |
| 19:48.31 | RyanE | along with new crap. |
| 19:49.23 | romanovic | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2018/02/john-perry-barlow-internet-pioneer-1947-2018 :( |
| 19:49.59 | spangborn | romanovic: I dealt with that 5 years ago |
| 19:50.01 | spangborn | cries |
| 19:50.24 | spangborn | I was dealing with it in a language that doesn't handle invalid XML responses and I was getting invalid XML responses |
| 19:50.25 | romanovic | Coincidentally today is the 22 yr anniversary of his declaration of cyberspace independence. https://www.eff.org/cyberspace-independence |
| 19:50.27 | spangborn | It was great |
| 19:50.37 | spangborn | I brought down part of lds.org because of that |
| 19:50.42 | spangborn | It was awesome |
| 19:51.10 | romanovic | spangborn: I don't think I've had to think about it since ~2009 |
| 19:52.28 | romanovic | nobody really likes xml anymore, but SOAP really put it over the edge for me. I will do anything to avoid it at this point |
| 19:54.37 | romanovic | I'd like to start using HAML so I don't even have to use xml-like structures in HTML |
| 19:55.43 | aeryndunham | sees more terms she doesn't know and goes back to her lesson :p |
| 20:16.47 | aeryndunham | Heh, course is talking about XML |
| 20:16.50 | aeryndunham | Comparing it to JSON |
| 20:19.22 | klys | 'whatis |
| 20:19.28 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 21:01.12 | spangborn | I like the JSON vs XML wars |
| 21:22.28 | unum | I thought that war was over |
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| 21:54.28 | spangborn | My dad constantly argues with me telling me XML is better for almost everything |
| 23:14.47 | romanovic | I hope he's just trolling you |