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| 16:59.01 | TodPunk | Does anyone have opinions on working for Workfront/AtTask? |
| 17:10.17 | spangborn | The only person I know there works in marketing |
| 17:10.26 | TodPunk | A bad sign |
| 17:10.52 | spangborn | he's a social media guy or something |
| 17:11.02 | spangborn | I haven't heard anything bad about them, that being said |
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| 17:37.59 | gnord | TodPunk: a few of us lurkers are at workfront |
| 17:38.31 | TodPunk | Nothing wrong with lurking. I'm guessing you like it well enough? |
| 17:38.49 | gnord | going on 6 yrs here, can't complain much :} |
| 17:39.05 | TodPunk | What would someone who could complain be complaining about? =cP |
| 17:39.49 | gnord | traffic? |
| 17:40.04 | TodPunk | everyone over there can complain about that, haha |
| 17:40.32 | gnord | agreed. in 2012 I was complaining about traffic around here. If I only knew... |
| 17:41.11 | jima | hahahaha |
| 17:46.38 | TodPunk | I'm concerned about Workfront's seeming desire to be "we're an enterprise company" and still calls itself a startup when it wants. I'm typically effective in small companies. I don't want to be overworked on /nothing/ in a big company with draconian approaches to their employees. Other than that it seems like a decent enough job with interesing enough work. |
| 17:47.36 | TodPunk | Oh, and JavaEE. I'm concerned about all the JavaEE. Not because of the tech, but because of the people that usually drink that koolaid. I'm hoping the stereotypes of overengineering and magic black boxes aren't true. |
| 17:48.04 | TodPunk | I'm a fan of Java. Or was, before Oracle. Just haven't used it in a long while. |
| 17:49.03 | TodPunk | gnord: may I ask what you do there specifically? |
| 17:50.26 | spangborn | The real trick about traffic is to not work in Utah county |
| 17:51.21 | gnord | TodPunk: I'm a DBA. I started here in a sysadmin role, however. |
| 17:51.47 | TodPunk | spangborn: if you live in Utah county, it's not so bad |
| 17:51.55 | spangborn | True, but then you live in Utah county |
| 17:51.57 | TodPunk | Crossing the point of the mountain is the kicker |
| 17:52.02 | jima | spangborn: you can't get stuck in traffic if you don't work *taps temple* |
| 17:52.06 | TodPunk | Your beer isn't any better than ours, man |
| 17:52.13 | gnord | Workfront has recently passed 1k employees worldwide, so hardly a small co anymore |
| 17:52.20 | spangborn | jima: I didn't know your name was jeff |
| 17:52.37 | jima | spangborn: do you even know my real name? ;-) |
| 17:52.47 | TodPunk | gnord: I may have interviewed with you specifically back in the day if you've been there 6 years |
| 17:53.10 | TodPunk | There weren't many DBAs back then |
| 17:53.12 | gnord | hmm maaaybe. I used to be pulled into interviews a lot |
| 17:53.21 | spangborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfIOBLr1NDU |
| 17:53.30 | jima | gnord: man, working in the enterprise is distorting my world view. i actually think of 1k as a small company. :-\ |
| 17:53.31 | TodPunk | The hiring guy was Quade? Quillard? |
| 17:53.41 | gnord | :} |
| 17:54.28 | jima | of course, i went from a 15-person company to a 120,000-person company. |
| 17:54.41 | gnord | yah, Q. Wade - He left in 2013/14 or so for instructure IIRC |
| 17:55.58 | gnord | jima: that's quite a shift. the onslought of bureaucracy would have been daunting |
| 17:56.46 | TodPunk | Yah, that guy. He was a bit of a hippie, to be honest. |
| 17:56.49 | jima | enh, the breadth of workload was the bigger deal. also the guy i reported to quiting three months later. |
| 17:57.03 | jima | so then i was doing his job. :-\ |
| 17:57.16 | TodPunk | I liked him, but I didn't know why he was there. |
| 17:58.23 | gnord | lol I could see that. I liked him but I had quite a few collegues who had issues w/ him ¯\_(ã)_/¯ . It's a very different org now compared to then |
| 17:59.02 | TodPunk | How would you describe it now? Like, what kind of attitude does engineering have? |
| 18:00.56 | gnord | Hard to say since I'm a little silo'd from the devs, but generally most seem happy and busy, and they walk around carrying laptops a lot |
| 18:03.09 | TodPunk | Good deal. Now I just need to find someone who dislikes workfront and find out why. |
| 18:03.26 | TodPunk | I suppose I should just look on glassdoor (with my heap of salt I carry around for these kinds of things) |
| 18:14.12 | TodPunk | spangborn: I have questions |
| 18:14.30 | spangborn | I may or may not have answers |
| 18:14.39 | TodPunk | Question the first: wat? |
| 18:14.41 | SunSparc | infobot has answers |
| 18:14.48 | TodPunk | Question the second: why? |
| 18:14.51 | spangborn | I was attempting to troll someone in another channel |
| 18:15.00 | SunSparc | ~wat |
| 18:15.00 | infobot | wat is, like, the linuxargs line?, or https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat |
| 18:15.01 | spangborn | and ran into a nick length limit |
| 18:15.09 | spangborn | it was unsuccessful |
| 18:15.57 | TodPunk | sad day |
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| 19:46.21 | unum | so 21 years ago I was a senior in high school taking 3rd programming. the teacher was teaching 2nd year programming at the same time and she kind of gave up on us, and told us to teach ourselves |
| 19:46.29 | unum | so my friends of course installed red alert |
| 19:46.43 | unum | they all had cool screen names like jestre and mindwarp |
| 19:47.14 | unum | so I was trying to think of one, and I pulled out the book I was reading at the time "The Federalist Papers" |
| 19:48.34 | unum | all the federalist papers were signed publius |
| 19:48.46 | unum | which made me think of e pluribus unum |
| 19:48.58 | unum | I know no one asked but now you know |
| 19:49.18 | unum | I'm reading a biography on hamiliton and the chapter I'm about to start is called publius |
| 20:23.14 | beelzebob | unum: thanks for that :) |
| 20:26.51 | TodPunk | unum: you're so old! |
| 20:46.35 | jlp_znc | https://youtu.be/-4EDhdAHrOg |
| 20:58.10 | SunSparc | +1 |
| 21:10.55 | TodPunk | ~jlp_znc++ |
| 21:56.03 | unum | I am old |
| 21:56.05 | unum | it's this job |
| 21:56.09 | unum | I was young when I started |
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