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| 00:38.01 | jfindlay | is 1.2.255.4 a valid IP addr? |
| 00:41.59 | jsmith | jfindlay: Sure, why wouldn't it be? |
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| 00:46.31 | jfindlay | jsmith: because 255 can be used as a mask, but I am unsure if that only applies when the 255s extend to the end of the addr |
| 00:47.03 | jsmith | jfindlay: That's in a mask, not in an IP address... they're separate things. |
| 00:47.58 | jfindlay | so 1.2.0.4 is a valid address as well? What about 0.1.2.3? |
| 00:49.26 | jfindlay | I'm wondering if there's any conventions builtin to addressing that are not obvious only by looking at address from, like 'the infamous ip address regex validator' perspective |
| 00:49.28 | fungus | 255 is certainly valid in a 3rd octet. |
| 00:49.59 | fungus | Only the first and last address in a subnet are not valid for host addressing (in most situations) |
| 00:50.06 | jfindlay | I know almost nothing about networking |
| 00:50.31 | fungus | eg, typical 10.0.0.0/24, then 10.0.0.0 and 10.0.0.255 are not usable. |
| 00:50.55 | jfindlay | and 10.0.0.1 is usually the gateway |
| 00:51.10 | fungus | usually, but that's convention, not technical requirement. |
| 00:51.30 | jfindlay | thanks fungus |
| 00:51.47 | fungus | if your subnet is 10.1.2.0/29 (255.255.255.248) then 10.1.2.0 and 10.1.2.7 are not usable. |
| 00:52.12 | fungus | See, so it's subnet boundaries that are the issue, not a magic number of 0 or 255. |
| 00:52.37 | fungus | We just happen, by convention, to use /24 often for subnetting. |
| 00:53.05 | jfindlay | 10.1.2.0 is the subnet and 10.1.2.7 is the broadcast, right? |
| 00:53.25 | fungus | yes |
| 00:53.49 | fungus | Well .0 is usually referred to as the "network" address, but same general idea. |
| 00:58.58 | jima | people have a bad habit of assuming .0 and .255 are unusable |
| 00:59.12 | jima | /23? the middle .255 & .0 are usable as host addresses |
| 00:59.29 | jima | routed networks? .0 & .255 are usable for nat or load-balancers |
| 00:59.34 | jima | for* |
| 01:13.00 | TodPunk | In MY house, .5 is the router. SO THERE |
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| 04:31.26 | SunSparc | pashdown: I live in Springville Utah. Comcast is the "best" in town, and my experience with them is less than stellar. Any idea what I would need to do to get a fiber company to setup camp in my town? So Xmission could be my provider? :) |
| 05:14.34 | pashdown | talk to UTOPIA and your city council! |
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| 07:51.20 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 17:08.14 | SunSparc | pashdown: Thanks! I will talk to UTOPIA and my city council. |
| 17:14.51 | TodPunk | spangborn: It's utah. There is no correct spelling of names here. |
| 17:15.08 | TodPunk | (Referring to this for those wondering: https://twitter.com/spangborn/status/958384884229263361 ) |
| 17:15.37 | spangborn | lol |
| 17:17.24 | SunSparc | Being "clever" with names is a fine line to walk. |
| 17:19.09 | spangborn | I asked her about it |
| 17:19.17 | spangborn | She did it to be funny |
| 17:19.30 | spangborn | I think sheâs flirting, but you get the idea |
| 17:19.30 | SunSparc | Was she cute? |
| 17:19.43 | spangborn | Haha yes |
| 17:19.56 | SunSparc | Well then I suppose it is alright. ;) |
| 17:20.19 | spangborn | She also made a joke about me being sour |
| 17:20.24 | spangborn | So thereâs that |
| 17:21.05 | SunSparc | Ah, and she must speak German because that is what she wrote on your cup. |
| 17:21.49 | SunSparc | Clever and cute. She will not be single long. |
| 17:39.13 | SunSparc | pashdown: Are there any fiber infrastructure providers other than UTOPIA that it would be worth my time to contact? |
| 17:39.22 | pashdown | nope |
| 17:39.26 | SunSparc | :( |
| 17:39.29 | pashdown | yeah |
| 17:39.58 | SunSparc | considers starting his own fiber company... |
| 17:40.11 | RyanE | Not even "Bob's Fiber" out of Scipio? :) |
| 17:40.25 | RyanE | wait, it was "Jim-Bob's Fiber" |
| 17:41.05 | SunSparc | Is that organic metamucil? |
| 17:41.09 | RyanE | heh |
| 17:42.43 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:07.52 | beelzebob | SunSparc: I used to live in Springville |
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| 18:08.10 | beelzebob | before my time there, they had a homebrew type setup called backfence |
| 18:08.24 | beelzebob | http://backfence.net/aboutus.asp |
| 18:09.21 | SunSparc | Ah, I remember AirSwitch! |
| 18:09.31 | beelzebob | I remember looking up info about them when I found an old airswitch box in my backyard |
| 18:09.55 | SunSparc | Nice. Too bad I do not live in their area. |
| 18:12.03 | beelzebob | huh - I lived nowhere near that area |
| 18:12.24 | beelzebob | I guess that is why the airswitch box had more weeds than bits in it |
| 18:13.04 | SunSparc | Hah! |
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| 18:51.30 | SunSparc | Maybe I could convince Google Fiber to add Springville to their Provo setup... |
| 18:52.02 | SunSparc | Though I guess Xmission does not get to play on the Google Fiber networks. |
| 18:54.49 | jima | "Maybe I could convince Google" let me stop you there |
| 18:55.21 | SunSparc | Whoa there, jima... don't harsh my hopes... |
| 18:55.22 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 18:55.36 | jima | i'm a lot more gentle than they would be |
| 18:55.40 | SunSparc | lol |
| 18:55.55 | jima | granted, that's not much of a statement |
| 19:23.55 | spangborn | The only way you convince Google to do anything is oh nevermind you can't do that at all |
| 19:27.54 | jlp_znc | I've been trying to get utopia in Murray since 2005. Still can't get it. |
| 19:28.13 | jlp_znc | and Murray was a "tier one" city. |
| 19:29.23 | spangborn | Try living in West Jordan |
| 19:29.27 | spangborn | Where your city council hates it |
| 19:30.04 | spangborn | Our newly remodeled work break rooms have no trash cans |
| 19:30.09 | spangborn | What the hell happened there |
| 19:30.14 | jlp_znc | Whenever I call them and say "I'm in Murray" they say "great! let's get you hooked up. oh, sorry, we don't have fiber in your area." |
| 19:31.42 | programmerq | spangborn⸠are people just letting their garbage pile up? |
| 19:32.01 | spangborn | They're just dumping it into the closest person's desk trash |
| 19:32.02 | spangborn | lol |
| 19:38.16 | jima | that's liable to stink |
| 19:40.46 | spangborn | lol yes |
| 19:56.08 | jlp_znc | they should just pile it on the floor in the CEO's office. that would get it fixed ASAP. |
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| 20:13.11 | spangborn | Shipping the trash to Boston would get expensive |
| 20:13.22 | spangborn | But stranger things have been interoffice mailed before |
| 20:13.26 | spangborn | Like an actual turkey leg |
| 20:28.17 | SunSparc | lol |
| 20:28.36 | SunSparc | I tried getting ahold of UTOPIA and their website is crappy as ever. |
| 20:29.26 | SunSparc | I was able to get ahold of Google Fiber though. They were very helpful. Told me what needs to be done in order for them to consider my city. Going to talk to the city council now. :) |
| 20:29.53 | RyanE | Where should the City Council deliver the large sack of money? :) |
| 20:30.00 | SunSparc | :D |
| 20:30.27 | SunSparc | A secret dropoff location to be named... |
| 20:31.29 | jima | 1. city council builds fiber network on their taxpayers dime 2. city council sells fiber network to google for $1 |
| 20:31.36 | jima | oops wait that was provo |
| 20:31.49 | RyanE | I'd buy that for $1 |
| 20:32.05 | SunSparc | Yep, that is one way to do it. :D |
| 20:32.16 | spangborn | SunSparc: I only got their address search thing to work in IE |
| 20:32.22 | spangborn | and even then it was still partially broken |
| 20:32.43 | SunSparc | Yeah, the UTOPIA site is junk. |
| 20:32.49 | jima | RyanE: that's what GOOGLE said! |
| 20:33.28 | SunSparc | ~twgs |
| 20:34.26 | jima | SunSparc: exactly |
| 20:34.55 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:44.06 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 20:44.06 | infobot | Sweet! That's like a dollar an hour! |
| 20:44.10 | jfindlay | lol |
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| 21:53.28 | frostyfrog | Sounds about right |
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| 23:26.22 | TodPunk | SunSparc: Google Fiber is not a great deal for cities, FYI. It's fun for geeks, but at the end of the day it's still just another ISP deal. Municipal fiber is a much more sane investment, even with UTOPIA mismanagement in the past. |
| 23:27.34 | TodPunk | I'm sure pashdown can second the fact that it is still very slow growing and not really a "hot" market to be in, but long term it will pay off much more than Comcast 2: Electric Boogaloo |
| 23:28.02 | TodPunk | (but the mismanagement was a bad thing and makes me angry) |
| 23:29.09 | SunSparc | From a consumer standpoint, I just want some fast and reliable Internet that does not also cost me unreasonable amounts of dollars. |
| 23:38.34 | programmerq | HOW DARE YOU |
| 23:38.48 | programmerq | IT SHOULD COST VERY UNREASONABLE AMOUNT OF DOLLARS |
| 23:44.06 | SunSparc | ~lart unreasonable amount of dollars |
| 23:44.06 | infobot | whips out his power stapler and staples unreasonable amount of dollars's foot to the floor |
| 23:48.59 | programmerq | lol |