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| 15:37.13 | Migs | https://github.com/danielmiessler/SecLists/pull/155 |
| 16:18.59 | youtah | http://youtah.com/wintersolstice/ <<<< 9 minutes |
| 16:20.23 | youtah | 7 minutes until Winter Solstice! |
| 16:20.35 | eightyeight | yay? |
| 16:20.55 | youtah | Yay! |
| 16:23.44 | programmerq | I never thought about how the winter solstace was actually a moment in time-- I've always thought of it as the whole day. of course makes sense that's how it is though. |
| 16:24.38 | eightyeight | does the time change year-to-year? |
| 16:24.48 | eightyeight | i'm assuming so, given the earth's wobble |
| 16:28.06 | programmerq | happy solstice! |
| 16:37.25 | youtah | Yes, it does change from year to year |
| 16:37.37 | youtah | we just had martinellis in the break room |
| 16:40.02 | programmerq | lol |
| 16:43.35 | aeryndunham | is past even pretending to work today |
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| 17:01.47 | aeryndunham | Dang, just got an email from a company that's like "We see you. You've been to our jobs page more than once. Why haven't you applied???" |
| 17:04.27 | jlp_znc | winter solstice... longest night of the year, and my parent's anniversary. |
| 17:04.54 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: what company? seems a little "big brother"ish |
| 17:05.11 | aeryndunham | Automattic |
| 17:05.19 | jlp_znc | "hey, we see our cookie in your browser! we've been keeping track of you!" |
| 17:08.07 | aeryndunham | had, admitedly, been reading their jobs page rather extensively |
| 17:09.05 | aeryndunham | I'm interested in companies that are 100% remote |
| 17:16.32 | youtah | Woo Hoo! I jlp_znc |
| 17:16.40 | youtah | Good to see you in here! |
| 17:16.46 | youtah | btw, I bought a drone |
| 17:16.53 | aeryndunham | Ooooh |
| 17:17.03 | aeryndunham | almost bought a drone |
| 17:26.48 | youtah | I just need Ripple to hit $16k in USD and I am set |
| 17:27.13 | youtah | waits, not very patiently |
| 17:27.44 | Migs | Job interview today. 100% remote. Hope it pays off. |
| 17:28.07 | Migs | aeryndunham: I don't think I could take a non-remote job if I have to make a career change at this point. |
| 17:28.14 | youtah | Good luck Migs |
| 17:28.29 | aeryndunham | Good luck!!! |
| 17:28.40 | Migs | thanks! |
| 17:28.56 | Migs | I haven't had an actual job interview in about 13 years... |
| 17:29.01 | Migs | not one where I had to convince them to hire me, at least |
| 17:29.16 | aeryndunham | Looks like lots of interesting companies are fully remote |
| 17:29.22 | aeryndunham | just needs to focus and learn more things first |
| 17:29.25 | Migs | everybody wants those jobs, too |
| 17:29.38 | Migs | drives the salary down |
| 17:31.37 | aeryndunham | I guess I can see that |
| 17:31.56 | aeryndunham | but I also know a lot of people who tell me they would hate working from home |
| 17:34.13 | jlp_znc | I would do it for the right company/position, but I definitely prefer going into an office. |
| 17:34.39 | Migs | I have no desire to drive to SLC, even though most of the jobs are there |
| 17:34.52 | Migs | I've driven that commute during rush hour. I do not understand how people do that every day. |
| 17:34.53 | jlp_znc | I had an offer a couple of years ago from a place that is about 50% remote. they even paid to rent coop space in some cities. |
| 17:35.00 | Migs | 50% would be awesome |
| 17:36.18 | aeryndunham | I'm trying not to juddge all offices based on this office, but it's difficult. This place is horrific. |
| 17:37.10 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 17:37.50 | aeryndunham | The person here cloest to my boss said he's been a consultant for 18 years and this is 200% the worst project and the worst environment he's ever worked on |
| 17:39.12 | jlp_znc | but they pay you, right? that's got to count for something. |
| 17:39.48 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠from what you've shared, it honestly sounds like "normal" big company garbage |
| 17:39.55 | programmerq | maybe slightly more than average |
| 17:46.54 | aeryndunham | Eh, I've heard "worst ever" from a wide variety of peopel |
| 17:47.49 | aeryndunham | I obviously have no scope of comparison, though, all I know is that I dislike it |
| 17:53.34 | jlp_znc | why aren't octal jokes funny? because 7 10 11. |
| 18:05.57 | jlp_znc | http://vmob.me/REF1F160AD8 |
| 18:06.08 | jlp_znc | developer survey if anyone is interested |
| 18:33.31 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠yeah, it's not *good* by any means |
| 18:34.53 | programmerq | usually those environments do two things: they drive away the true talent because they realize they can go elsewhere. they retain only the folks that are happy just showing up and don't really care about what they are doing. both of these things cause a negative feedback loop that hits the talented folks who care the most but haven't left yet. |
| 18:35.15 | programmerq | I've also seen it cause people to drink fairly heavily in some cases. |
| 18:35.29 | programmerq | (among other things) |
| 19:21.21 | jlp_znc | yeah, I've seen that, too. it also seems that the low achievers congregate in large companies where they can hide under the radar... that's why I try to avoid large companies. |
| 19:53.23 | TodPunk | agreed |
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| 20:36.31 | keldwud | I tried the pie pizzeria apocalyptdough today |
| 20:36.35 | keldwud | they made me sign a waiver |
| 20:36.45 | keldwud | so I got excited thinking my face was going to melt off |
| 20:37.05 | keldwud | couldn't even taste the spiciness until I got to the crust only part of the slice |
| 20:37.44 | keldwud | I think culturally, we as Americans really don't have spiciness calibrated properly. It's like anything that is mildly spicy is labeled "THIS IS SUPER HOT AND WILL HURT YOU" |
| 20:38.22 | keldwud | and so then when something *is* melt your face off hot, people are surprised that it melted their face off because they're used to eating "melt your face off" hot like medium pace picante or something |
| 20:39.37 | keldwud | http://www.thepie.com/menu/apocalyptdough |
| 20:58.48 | Migs | oh man, I nailed that interview |
| 20:58.58 | keldwud | Migs: grats! |
| 20:58.59 | Migs | Going to do an on-site interview early next month |
| 20:59.06 | keldwud | what are you interviewing for? |
| 20:59.12 | Migs | job in St. George for PrinterLogic |
| 20:59.18 | Migs | dev job |
| 20:59.35 | Migs | had a great rapport with the interviewer |
| 20:59.38 | keldwud | do you python? |
| 20:59.49 | Migs | some, but not a whole lot |
| 20:59.53 | keldwud | well I guess it doesn't really matter which language really |
| 20:59.54 | Migs | strongest in PHP |
| 20:59.57 | keldwud | as long as it's not java |
| 21:00.00 | Migs | lol no |
| 21:00.03 | keldwud | because I won't support java |
| 21:00.05 | Migs | I do Java...but would rather not |
| 21:00.13 | Migs | unless the salary was really good |
| 21:00.19 | Migs | even then... |
| 21:00.19 | keldwud | are you junior mid or senior? |
| 21:00.21 | Migs | senior |
| 21:00.24 | keldwud | oh dang |
| 21:00.25 | keldwud | n/m then |
| 21:00.26 | keldwud | lol |
| 21:00.33 | keldwud | looking for a junior :) |
| 21:00.40 | Migs | in Python? |
| 21:00.48 | Migs | on-site or remote? |
| 21:00.51 | keldwud | we're generally a python shop, yeah |
| 21:00.59 | keldwud | my Spanish Fork dev comes in maybe once a week |
| 21:01.13 | keldwud | the job is posted as 45k - 60k though |
| 21:01.22 | keldwud | so I think that might be below your salary requirements if you're senior |
| 21:01.31 | Migs | yeah, I'm afraid it would be :( |
| 21:01.48 | Migs | Let me ask around and see if I can point anyone your way, though |
| 21:01.53 | Migs | Do they have to be in Utah? |
| 21:02.26 | keldwud | preferably, yeah. that's where the interviewing would be. but my CTO used to work at hirevue, so he's not a stranger to remote interviews. I'll have to double check to see if we're accepting full remote |
| 21:02.37 | Migs | Understood. |
| 21:02.42 | keldwud | I know partially remote is ok, but I think we're wanting ppl that can come in occasionally |
| 21:02.57 | keldwud | the focus will be on networking stack skills |
| 21:03.01 | Migs | ah ok |
| 21:03.09 | keldwud | programming but with a knowledge of network stack |
| 21:03.15 | keldwud | one sec, I'll DM you the description |
| 21:03.22 | Migs | remind me, what industry are you in... |
| 21:03.23 | Migs | ok |
| 21:03.43 | keldwud | 3d printing, our customers are all manufacturing |
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| 21:04.57 | Migs | seems awesome! |
| 21:05.05 | Migs | I'll pass this along |
| 21:05.20 | keldwud | yeah, it's pretty fun |
| 21:12.17 | RyanE | Since you guys are discussing jobs, Control4 is looking to hire a junior-ish dev, doing firmware push development and QC/RMA troubleshooting. (Linux/C++/embedded) https://control4.applicantpro.com/jobs/682755.html |
| 21:12.32 | RyanE | in Draper, not remote. :| |
| 21:14.23 | keldwud | ooh fun |
| 21:14.40 | keldwud | I don't mean that sarcastically. embedded programming is neat stuff |
| 21:15.52 | RyanE | Yeah, I don't think it's mostly actual embedded work, it's mostly writing things that stuff the embedded firmware onto devices... |
| 21:16.01 | RyanE | but who knows... :) |
| 21:18.11 | keldwud | oh hey, there was a position like that up in Davis county that I interviewed for once |
| 21:20.14 | Migs | it's hard to find positions in the Weber-Davis area |
| 21:44.35 | keldwud | for real? I interviewed for at least three last summer |
| 21:44.45 | keldwud | of course, my experience is purely anecdotal |
| 21:45.07 | keldwud | there was another one in Farmington, forget which company. that looked like a decent gig |
| 21:55.26 | Migs | I might just be really picky |
| 21:56.57 | keldwud | yeah, I was kind of spreading my net wide at the time :) |
| 21:57.28 | keldwud | they were all between 85 - 95 I think |