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| 18:16.49 | romanovic | that's crossing a line, infobot |
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| 21:56.53 | SunSparc | Happy Thanksgiving Eve!!! |
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| 22:18.03 | SunSparc | I have heard it said that Slack is killing IRC. Perhaps it is just making IRC more elite. :D |
| 22:22.34 | TodPunk | Snobbery will get you nowhere. Slack is not killing IRC, because Slack is terrible and fills a space that IRC doesn't (organization's own private IRC servers were never a big enough thing to matter). |
| 22:23.28 | TodPunk | What some github users would like to think is that Slack is better than IRC because it looks better or something, but users are all that matters, and IRC users are not doing Freenode style support on slack, nor are casual chats springing up on whatever slack |
| 22:24.53 | TodPunk | What /is/ killing IRC is all the things one can use to avoid having to use IRC in the first place. Github issues, forum-style communication platforms, Discord servers for essentially "channels" of chat with topics separating threads of convo |
| 22:25.19 | TodPunk | IRC needs an update for the way people use their devices these days and nobody's going to do that. THAT is the thing killing IRC. |
| 22:25.31 | TodPunk | *use their devices to communicate |
| 22:25.59 | TodPunk | So, yeah. Less "elite" by my estimation of the terms, and more "niche" or "holdout" |
| 22:35.23 | programmerq | IRCcloud is bridging the gap a bit |
| 22:35.40 | programmerq | but it's not something I'm going to pay for so I can get IRC notifications on my phone. |
| 22:36.08 | programmerq | so IRC remains, for me, something that I have up when I'm using a desktop computer and not something I take with me. |
| 22:36.14 | TodPunk | Yeah, it's business model stifles it, I think. It's expensive as hell before it offers anything but eye candy (which doesn't capture much of the niche audience) |
| 22:36.51 | programmerq | there was an oss irccloud-like thing out there, but I don't know how active it was/is, and last I checked there weren't mobile apps for it. |
| 22:37.37 | programmerq | https://github.com/ircanywhere/ircanywhere - no activity for 2 years. :( |
| 22:42.56 | TodPunk | Personally, having done some dev on IRC protocols, I'd rather we just replaced it completely. Even with v3 it's still very much stuck in the ancient dark times of protocols |
| 22:43.07 | TodPunk | Like email, in fact |
| 22:47.21 | programmerq | yeah. :( |
| 22:47.35 | programmerq | there are lots of technologies that could do with a rewrite. |
| 22:52.00 | SunSparc | There is also Gitter, has an IRC bridge in it. |
| 22:52.17 | SunSparc | Not overly impressed with it though. |
| 22:52.56 | SunSparc | I am the same, only use or even think to need irc when I am at a workstation. |
| 22:53.21 | SunSparc | Having irc mobile seems less useful. |
| 22:54.09 | SunSparc | Then again, TodPunk, like you said there are so many other mediums for communication that irc may just become irrelevant. |
| 22:54.22 | SunSparc | Though I still find a certain appeal to it. |
| 22:54.42 | SunSparc | But it is only useful if other people keep using it. |
| 22:55.15 | TodPunk | That is sort of the point. It won't just like, "stop" because there will always be those that "find a certain appeal to it" but it becomes ever more insular |
| 22:55.50 | TodPunk | Imagine if you only programmed in COBOL and only ever talked with other COBOL programmers, even as your numbers dwindled? |
| 22:55.59 | TodPunk | That's demographically what has already occurred with IRC |
| 22:56.53 | TodPunk | Not that in its prime it was very helpful to itself. Lots of freenode channels are known for being essentially cesspools of vitriol instead of help, for instance |
| 22:57.17 | TodPunk | That reputation didn't exactly get anyone else excited to join up |
| 22:58.00 | TodPunk | Still, things like mibbit are a nice stop-gap for some communities that want to be able to provide support/help/discussion with those that don't want to install a client or stay on and idle |
| 22:58.20 | SunSparc | Yep |
| 22:58.41 | TodPunk | I give it a few more years before they won't bother with that either, though |
| 22:59.28 | SunSparc | Then irc will be that one protocol we used to use when the Internet was still a toddler. :) |
| 22:59.51 | romanovic | There are many mediums for communication, but when you filter out all the ones that are closed source, centralised, or both, you're left with a pretty small list with IRC and email at the top |
| 23:00.43 | TodPunk | I mean, while true, I don't see how that's relevant to anything but greybeards that don't want to interact with the reality the rest clearly care about |
| 23:01.08 | TodPunk | We're in an era where a cell phone is a significant portion (if not a majority) of the population's primary computing device |
| 23:01.17 | SunSparc | strokes his greiybeard... |
| 23:01.53 | SunSparc | Mobile is definitely taking over the world. |
| 23:02.00 | TodPunk | If you want to be a hermit and live with your ideals in the hills, it doesn't really matter much what you choose to use, the world doesn't care about you and you can choose to be happy or not on your own. |
| 23:02.14 | SunSparc | lol |
| 23:02.16 | SunSparc | true that |
| 23:02.24 | TodPunk | The importance of IRC's dying out is separated entirely from those ideals. |
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| 23:06.20 | TodPunk | Imagine if we could do a defederated protocol for IM-style messaging, Email style, Forum style, and Chatroom style all from one account? Like a gmail account but without Google's walled garden and constantly killing off features. |
| 23:07.29 | SunSparc | That could be cool. |
| 23:07.33 | SunSparc | Ham radio seems like it could be in the same boat with irc, but in a post-apocalyptic world, Ham radio could still be relevant. |
| 23:08.25 | romanovic | TodPunk: I was just typing the same sentiment. There are no unsolvable technical obstacles to doing that. But, lots of economic reasons to instead launch a centralised platform and pocket profits as the gatekeeper |
| 23:09.10 | TodPunk | romanovic: in all honesty, I'd expect it to work a lot like email and you'd have Google do a client that basically scans all your communications and mines you for profit. |
| 23:09.33 | TodPunk | My mom isn't going to install her own server with her own domain no matter how easy I make it for her. |
| 23:10.02 | SunSparc | Most people fall into that. :) |
| 23:11.57 | TodPunk | To start it you'd have to provide SO much nonsense. Reference implementations, documentation about the protocol, a hosted service to get people on board, some sort of bugfixing in the protocols itself with backwards compatibility, etc, etc, etc |
| 23:12.03 | TodPunk | is lazy |
| 23:14.20 | SunSparc | I can see a new protocol coming out that just replaces all of those. So many new communication protocols keep springing up. The Internet of 2027 is probably going to be unrecognizable by standards of today. |
| 23:46.50 | jfindlay | or post apocalyptic proprietary mess |