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| 07:25.24 | frostyfrog | discord is in no way end-to-end encrypted. |
| 07:25.38 | frostyfrog | It's basically slack with voice and extra features. |
| 07:26.32 | frostyfrog | And slack is basically IRC, with authentication/authorization, a bouncer to store logs, and more features. |
| 07:34.18 | frostyfrog | Hey eightyeight, what are your thoughts on the "using a key 9999 times" thing in https://superuser.com/a/632499? Also, would you happen to know if keybase auto-rotates keys for their chat and filesystem? |
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| 17:49.53 | romanovic | is srsly depressed by this awful weather. It feels like we're celebrating Thanksgiving in mid-September |
| 17:58.23 | spangborn | What's so awful about it? |
| 17:58.58 | romanovic | no precipitation and record high temps all week. |
| 17:59.51 | romanovic | or at least close to record high temps |
| 18:02.16 | eightyeight | normally, we have first light snowfall on halloween |
| 18:02.22 | eightyeight | nothing yet, almost a month later |
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| 18:08.39 | gnord | eightyeight: have you compared Wire to WhatsApp or Signal? I'm curious how well they fare to your scrutiny. (I've been using Wire for almost a year now and I mostly like it so far) |
| 18:09.07 | eightyeight | one thing that wire has against it, is the web portal |
| 18:09.42 | eightyeight | web portals allow the server to do active surviellance, without the user knowing |
| 18:09.45 | gnord | I forgot they had that |
| 18:09.54 | gnord | good point |
| 18:09.56 | eightyeight | and there is nothing you can do on your end to prevent me from using the web portal |
| 18:10.38 | eightyeight | WhatsApp has web.whatsapp.com, which is similar, but slightly different, but the concern is the same- a valid vector for silent listening |
| 18:11.16 | eightyeight | with whatsapp, you have to use your phone to scan a qr code, at which point, the portal is just a web front end proxy through the phone. |
| 18:11.46 | eightyeight | but, what's to prevent whatsapp from injecting javascript that's capturing the data, and sending it to them without your knowledge, while in the portal? |
| 18:12.19 | eightyeight | signal was wise to use a chrome app, which is a stand-alone desktop application, without any interaction with Whisper System's servers |
| 18:12.33 | eightyeight | BUT, Google announced the EOL of Chrome apps, so its future is in question |
| 18:12.34 | gnord | heh. I guess they're all flawed :{ meh, I wish I could get my relatives to use keybase, but that's a steep hill |
| 18:13.01 | eightyeight | really, Signal is the "best we have" |
| 18:13.08 | eightyeight | it's less flawed than the rest |
| 18:13.30 | gnord | :} thanks for the comments |
| 18:14.27 | eightyeight | Keybase is great, but it comes with its own baggage |
| 18:14.49 | eightyeight | for one, messages are not forward secret. so, a compromise of a private key is a total compromise of past and future messages |
| 18:57.31 | frostyfrog | I will say though, I revoked a machine's config then re-added it. |
| 18:57.56 | frostyfrog | One of my other machines rekey'd all the messages so that the "new" machine could see them. |
| 19:11.22 | spangborn | I enjoy the lack of snow |
| 19:11.28 | spangborn | It means I can actually ride bikes outside |
| 19:36.54 | spangborn | https://twitter.com/BenWinslow/status/933055986733957120 |
| 19:37.27 | jfindlay | ~napoleon |
| 19:37.28 | infobot | There's like a buttload of gangs at this school. One of them kept wanting me to join because I'm pretty good with a bo-staff. |
| 19:37.32 | jfindlay | ~pondering |
| 19:37.32 | infobot | I think so, Brain, but me and Pippi Longstocking -- I mean, what would the children look like? |
| 19:37.46 | jfindlay | ~moss |
| 19:37.46 | infobot | I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style. |
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| 20:16.20 | keldwud | jima: I just remembered what it was called, that I was referring to yesterday about the weird disconnect between microsoft billed services and Azure services not working |
| 20:16.30 | keldwud | it was Azure Active Directory premium |
| 20:16.54 | keldwud | without that, some Azure services fail in very non-meaningful ways |
| 20:17.15 | keldwud | it's something that is paid for completely separate from Azure subscriptions. |
| 20:17.37 | keldwud | I think it was you I was talking with, jima. if not, well, I can't remember who it was then! |
| 20:28.52 | frostyfrog | ~brain |
| 20:28.52 | infobot | Actually, I'm a lab mouse bent on world domination. |
| 20:29.55 | keldwud | ~pinky |
| 20:29.55 | infobot | Troz! |
| 20:30.01 | frostyfrog | keldwud: Yeah, I think it was jima you were talking with. But I'm too lazy to go back in time and check my logs. |
| 20:30.47 | keldwud | frostyfrog: well if I'd stop being so lazy and use a real IRC client instead of the web client, I could do the same :) |
| 20:31.04 | frostyfrog | ... I umm... |
| 20:31.23 | frostyfrog | throws away their IRC logs, but keeps a bunch of logs via ZNC... |
| 21:24.38 | jfindlay | one of the rules of "cloud" is not to underestimate the complexity (and subsequently cost) of the things |
| 21:41.57 | jfindlay | if aws or azure can do something more complexically, it will have already been done |