| 00:26.09 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 14:48.11 | CrowderSoup | Anyone else using a command line interface for IRC? I've been playing with Finch lately to see how it goes... |
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| 14:59.58 | klys | crowdersoup, irssi |
| 15:03.55 | CrowderSoup | I looked at that one as well. I liked Finch because it's basically Pidgin. I can sign in to any XMPP provider and there's plugins for Slack, Telegram, and Facebook Messenger. |
| 15:04.19 | CrowderSoup | But it looks like Irssi has a better UI |
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| 15:32.07 | RyanE | irssi here |
| 15:32.48 | manithree | WAAAY too low: http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/10/31/utah-nurse-arrested-for-blocking-cop-from-drawing-blood-from-patient-receives-500000-settlement/ |
| 15:39.46 | spangborn | manithree: That was my thought |
| 15:39.50 | spangborn | She's donating a bunch of it, I guess |
| 15:40.00 | spangborn | In which case she should have gotten more |
| 15:40.29 | jima | uggggh |
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| 15:49.24 | eightyeight | ~kronk jfindlay |
| 15:49.25 | infobot | ACTION makes jfindlay spinach puffs |
| 15:50.06 | eightyeight | CrowderSoup: weechat |
| 16:09.08 | frostyfrog | weechat here as well |
| 16:09.26 | spangborn | I'm going with the future |
| 16:09.31 | spangborn | self-hosted web client |
| 16:09.38 | frostyfrog | irccloud? |
| 16:09.45 | spangborn | IRCCloud and TheLounge |
| 16:09.56 | spangborn | Connected through ZNC |
| 16:10.12 | spangborn | IRCCloud blocked at work, so I just use self-hosted Lounge |
| 16:10.59 | frostyfrog | uses KVIrc over ZNC, personally. But occassionally uses weechat. |
| 16:11.22 | frostyfrog | Also, I won't connect to slack if it doesn't have an IRC gateway. |
| 16:11.25 | frostyfrog | pouts. |
| 16:14.45 | spangborn | I refuse to use Slack |
| 16:15.44 | frostyfrog | I would, but it's our corporate chat tool >_> |
| 16:16.08 | frostyfrog | However, It is the "unreliable" way to contact me xD |
| 16:16.39 | frostyfrog | spangborn: TheLounge looks pretty cool |
| 16:17.18 | spangborn | frostyfrog: It's pretty sweet. Node, so that would turn some people off, but it works really well. |
| 16:17.49 | frostyfrog | It's only gotta run on a server. If node turns someone off, run it in a docker container xD |
| 16:18.40 | spangborn | I think they've got an official docker image, too |
| 16:18.52 | spangborn | https://github.com/thelounge/docker-lounge |
| 16:18.58 | frostyfrog | Well now, that makes it even easier :D |
| 16:21.25 | manithree | .5 million won't even make SLCPD's insurance company blink |
| 16:31.50 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 16:32.01 | frostyfrog | What happened, manithree? |
| 16:32.58 | RyanE | 09:32 < manithree> WAAAY too low: |
| 16:32.58 | RyanE | http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/10/31/utah-nurse-arrested-for-blocking-cop-from-drawing-blood-from-patient-receives-500000-settlement/ |
| 16:35.56 | beelzebob | why too low? |
| 16:37.06 | manithree | Most likely scenario: Insurance company pays, nothing changes at SLCPD |
| 16:37.13 | beelzebob | it sounds like the officers involved were demoted / fired, there has been a whole lot of light shed on the issue |
| 16:37.25 | beelzebob | and she'll use some of the money for more light |
| 16:38.26 | beelzebob | 500k doesn't seem too low to me to compensate for a 20 min arrest |
| 16:39.02 | beelzebob | and there is still a criminal investigation |
| 16:39.09 | manithree | Payne was (rightfully) fired from his second job as an ambulance driver, but not from SLCPD (yet) |
| 16:40.14 | beelzebob | so you'd like to see an amount high enough to financially hurt the police department? |
| 16:40.41 | manithree | Enough that they actually do something to prevent future incidents, yes. |
| 16:42.02 | beelzebob | I don't know that monetary damage is the best way to create change, particularly in a public service |
| 16:42.14 | manithree | What is your alternative? |
| 16:42.34 | beelzebob | publicity, accountability (like body cameras) |
| 16:43.19 | beelzebob | perhaps a criminal investigation as well :) |
| 16:44.08 | beelzebob | I just kind of recoil at the idea of financially squeezing a vital public service into submission |
| 16:44.55 | manithree | Criminal investigations against cops under the color of law aren't likely to do anything |
| 16:45.12 | manithree | Financial retribution is pretty much the only way to punish rogue leo. |
| 16:48.34 | spangborn | Payne was fired from both |
| 16:48.40 | spangborn | He's just appealing that decision |
| 16:48.43 | spangborn | He's still fired, though |
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| 18:49.45 | frostyfrog | sheesh |
| 18:49.53 | frostyfrog | I hope he stays fired |
| 18:50.39 | spangborn | I'm pretty sure he will |
| 18:50.55 | spangborn | Even if he was just following orders, he's the scapegoat the chief needs to dodge blame |
| 18:51.18 | spangborn | The chief's letter to him pretty well threw him under the bus, which is where he belonged with this situation |
| 19:05.49 | manithree | oh yeah, forgot he was fired from both. |
| 19:10.41 | programmerq | I wonder what other countries do in cases of excessive force. |
| 19:11.41 | programmerq | here's an example from the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Anthony_Grainger |
| 19:12.05 | programmerq | The CPS decided that the armed policeman who fired the shot would not be prosecuted |
| 19:19.55 | manithree | programmerq: I don't think there's any chance of Det. Payne claiming self defense |
| 19:21.35 | manithree | In spite of wikipedia's claim that Grainger was "unarmed", he was behind the steering wheel, and cars are ballistically and statistically more dangerous than guns |
| 19:23.47 | spangborn | Maybe they just meant he didn't have any arms |
| 19:23.52 | spangborn | and was driving with his feet |
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| 19:57.17 | manithree | spangborn: yeah, that's prolly it |
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| 23:07.48 | jfindlay | I love the idea of finch, it's just that the days of a rogue all-in-one client seem quaint from this distance, perhaps because the platforms have become more proprietary and locked in |
| 23:08.06 | jfindlay | although skype has been making great linux progress lately |
| 23:08.27 | jfindlay | it's better than hangouts, but almost anything is better than hangouts |