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| 03:10.19 | jima | aeryndunham: google sheets: select column header, format -> number -> 2008-09-26 (second from bottom) |
| 03:10.30 | jima | nfc about numbers |
| 03:21.14 | jima | aeryndunham: numbers: select cells (but not header? stupid), data (on right) -> data format -> date and time -> date format: YYYY-MM-DD |
| 03:21.29 | aeryndunham | thanks =) |
| 03:21.38 | aeryndunham | I use google docs most of the time |
| 03:21.38 | jima | took me way too long to figure out that it doesn't want you to select the header in numbers |
| 03:21.51 | jima | yeah, i'm way better at sheets and excel |
| 03:21.59 | aeryndunham | I'd use excel if I had it, but I don't |
| 03:22.00 | jima | i've never used numbers until just now in fact |
| 03:22.03 | aeryndunham | and free is good |
| 03:22.16 | aeryndunham | Numbers I don't use much at all, Pages is fine and I like Keynote better than Powerpoint |
| 03:23.23 | jima | i try to avoid using...well, anything in ms office other than outlook, skype for business, and excel. |
| 03:23.45 | jima | i like visio, but i hate having to *use* visio ;-) |
| 03:26.36 | jima | ok, time to go, whee |
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| 15:09.26 | Migs | ugh, my 14 year-old came home last night and said she kissed this junior boy she likes. |
| 15:09.32 | Migs | how do I stop her from having a big orgy? |
| 15:10.55 | spangborn | Chastity belt |
| 15:11.27 | programmerq | Migs⸠https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundling_(tradition) |
| 15:11.34 | aeryndunham | I mean I don't kissing a boy immediately leads straight to orgy |
| 15:11.38 | aeryndunham | *don't think |
| 15:18.13 | beelzebob | out of curiosity, what counts as "big"? |
| 15:18.52 | beelzebob | I mean, orgy kind of implies something like > 5 participants in my mind |
| 15:19.01 | beelzebob | which seems plenty big already |
| 15:25.08 | aeryndunham | hahaha |
| 15:25.22 | aeryndunham | yes, is a "small" orgy ok then? |
| 15:36.36 | Migs | NO. |
| 15:37.33 | aeryndunham | hahaha sorry |
| 15:39.05 | SPQRBob | Now wait... a 14 year old's kiss does not necessarily immediately lead to total debauchery! Sometimes a kiss is just a kiss. Be glad she felt comfortable in confiding with you around what many teens would never ever tell their parents. |
| 15:41.54 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I never would have told my parents in a million years |
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| 15:52.22 | SPQRBob | Since she is beginning to move into the world of adult interactions with other children of her own age (I hope), it seems appropriate to have an adult conversation with her about what feelings can result from kissing, not only in girls, but in the boy she is kissing. I wouldn't condemn her actions harshly, but rather make sure she is aware of the consequences emotionally/physically/spiritually for both her and the young man in |
| 15:52.22 | SPQRBob | question. |
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| 16:04.06 | jima | aeryndunham: in a moment of serendipity, i got this mention this morning: https://twitter.com/samirnassar/status/921329966901587969 |
| 16:04.45 | jima | (eightyeight also knows him, albeit only online) |
| 16:06.44 | keldwud | has anybody else ever run into an issue with salt cmd.run and awk? |
| 16:06.47 | keldwud | example: sudo salt '<target>' cmd.run 'awk "{ print $2 }" /etc/hosts' |
| 16:06.50 | Migs | you guys are being entirely too reasonable about my daughter |
| 16:06.54 | keldwud | expected output is the second column, right? |
| 16:07.02 | keldwud | except salt always returns all columns |
| 16:07.05 | Migs | I just need to stop her before she breaks the world gangbang record |
| 16:07.11 | keldwud | even if I manually specify the field seperator |
| 16:07.14 | Migs | you know? I'm freaking out here. |
| 16:07.23 | keldwud | oh whoops |
| 16:07.26 | keldwud | sorry |
| 16:07.38 | keldwud | didn't realize I walked into something |
| 16:08.20 | keldwud | also, is your daughter safe? as in physically? or is it non-consensual? |
| 16:08.35 | keldwud | I'd freak out too if my daughter was experiencing non-consensual and unsafe encounters |
| 16:08.35 | Migs | no, she's fine |
| 16:08.39 | keldwud | oh ok |
| 16:08.39 | keldwud | lol |
| 16:08.41 | Migs | he seems like a nice enough boy |
| 16:08.46 | keldwud | you're just worried about her having sex |
| 16:08.47 | eightyeight | jima: pfft. our relationship extends past packets |
| 16:08.52 | keldwud | the consensual kind |
| 16:09.00 | Migs | yeah, and not being ready for the emotional consequences. This is my oldest kid. |
| 16:09.08 | keldwud | I gotcha |
| 16:09.30 | keldwud | just remember that there are worse things that can happen to a person than sex |
| 16:09.41 | keldwud | sex is actually one of the nicer things that happens in people's lives |
| 16:10.03 | eightyeight | keldwud: might be your double quotes trying to expand `$2' as a shell variable. try instead: sudo salt '<target>' cmd.run "awk '{ print $2 }' /etc/hosts" |
| 16:10.05 | keldwud | especially if one knows how to practice safe sex with birth control and/or condoms |
| 16:10.35 | eightyeight | keldwud: untested, but you may have to get creative with backslashes and single quotes |
| 16:10.36 | keldwud | eightyeight: thanks, I'll try that. I think I tried various iterations of my quoting since salt needs the whole command quoted |
| 16:11.09 | keldwud | yeah, same behavior no matter how much I switch around the quotes |
| 16:11.20 | keldwud | it seems to be unique to awk, though. I can get it working with cut |
| 16:11.27 | jima | eightyeight: it's ok, you don't need to explain your SteamedPenguin bromance to me. |
| 16:11.49 | jima | (that was his irc nick the last time i chatted with him, anyway) |
| 16:12.14 | keldwud | Migs: I've also found that alcohol helps numb common parenting worries |
| 16:12.30 | keldwud | not the healthiest way, I know, but it still helps occasionally :) |
| 16:12.44 | keldwud | because when you stop giving a fuck, it stops hurting so much |
| 16:12.46 | keldwud | or something like that |
| 16:12.52 | keldwud | -er, sorry for the f-bomb! |
| 16:13.07 | keldwud | forgot where I was for a sec |
| 16:13.18 | aeryndunham | jima: haha amazing@ |
| 16:14.00 | keldwud | eightyeight: you think it's a matter of stuff not escaping properly when it gets over to the target machine? |
| 16:14.08 | Migs | I don't drink |
| 16:14.28 | eightyeight | $ echo 'foo\tbar\tbaz' | awk '{print $2}' |
| 16:14.30 | keldwud | the only syntax difference I can think of between the cut command and the awk command is the braces. wondering if the braces are causing part of the problem |
| 16:14.32 | eightyeight | $ echo 'foo\tbar\tbaz' | awk "{print $2}" |
| 16:14.43 | eightyeight | see which one works as expected. :) |
| 16:16.09 | keldwud | I think I need the -e switch on echo |
| 16:16.41 | keldwud | but yeah, the awk definitely needs single quotes |
| 16:17.02 | eightyeight | that's to prevent `$2' from being interpreted as a shell variable by the shell |
| 16:18.13 | keldwud | dang, I can't send that through salt |
| 16:18.28 | keldwud | cuz the foo bar baz needs to be double quoted but I can't nest double quotes |
| 16:18.53 | keldwud | salt '<target>' cmd.run "echo -e "foo\tbar\tbaz" | awk '{ print $2 }'" |
| 16:19.56 | keldwud | salt '<target>' cmd.run "echo 'foo bar baz' | awk '{ print $2 }'" |
| 16:20.17 | keldwud | that doesn't get me the expected output. prints all columns |
| 16:20.29 | keldwud | I'm guessing that maybe the braces are messing it up |
| 16:21.55 | eightyeight | one sec |
| 16:22.28 | keldwud | I'm checking in #salt to see if they can maybe confirm for me or if they already know about how to get awk working through cmd.run |
| 16:23.26 | eightyeight | $ salt <target> cmd.run "echo 'foo bar baz' | awk '{print \$2}'" |
| 16:23.31 | eightyeight | <target>: |
| 16:23.33 | eightyeight | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.46 | keldwud | aaahh! |
| 16:23.49 | keldwud | derp |
| 16:24.42 | keldwud | bash escaping is my nightmare |
| 16:24.49 | keldwud | I feel like I'll never get it figured out |
| 16:26.07 | jima | it's ok, it happens to a lot of guys |
| 16:26.07 | keldwud | thanks eightyeight |
| 16:26.12 | eightyeight | np |
| 16:26.23 | keldwud | jima: but not girls? are girls experts at bash escaping? |
| 16:26.27 | keldwud | :-p |
| 16:26.33 | jima | you didn't know this? |
| 16:27.22 | keldwud | dude, if I met a woman who was a master at bash escaping, I might kind of be turned on a little bit |
| 16:28.20 | eightyeight | her: ":(){:|:&};:" |
| 16:28.28 | eightyeight | me: "i love it when you talk dirty" |
| 16:28.58 | SPQRBob | Migs, I think you may be over-reacting just a little, but I understand your feelings. Make sure she is informed, and set reasonable boundaries, and give her your trust. It will serve both of you well as she continues to grown into an adult. |
| 16:29.02 | keldwud | Migs: do you have a counselor that you can talk to? I've found that my regular sessions with my therapist help me navigate parental worries and stresses |
| 16:29.18 | keldwud | that's the *healthy* way to deal with it :) I was mostly just joking about using alcohol |
| 16:29.32 | jima | eightyeight: watch your language, there might be kids here |
| 16:29.33 | keldwud | eightyeight: right!? |
| 16:30.04 | Migs | https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/thong-jeans_us_59e92f01e4b0f9d35bc99820 |
| 16:30.12 | Migs | nah, I'm over it now |
| 16:30.24 | Migs | thanks tho |
| 16:30.36 | keldwud | omg those pants were me all through high school |
| 16:30.50 | Migs | high school? Those are me NOW. |
| 16:30.51 | keldwud | but that's because I only ever had one pair of jeans and I was a street urchin |
| 16:31.32 | eightyeight | sometimes, i think high fashion designers are just out to one-up each other in terms of absurdity |
| 16:31.54 | jima | eightyeight: only sometimes? |
| 16:31.57 | eightyeight | "i'll call your hat dress, and raise you jean thongs!" |
| 16:32.14 | jima | "DAMNIT. back to the drawing board." |
| 16:32.32 | eightyeight | jima: well, i want to give them the benefit of the doubt. |
| 16:33.02 | jima | i'm starting to suspect you're less cynical than i am. |
| 16:38.55 | keldwud | hooray! I just constructed my bash oneliner and got it to successfully run over salt cmd.run using eightyeight's reminder that the $ needs to be escaped out |
| 16:39.16 | keldwud | it was frustrating me that I could get it to work locally but not over salt cmd.run |
| 16:39.24 | keldwud | but now it works using escaping |
| 16:42.18 | beelzebob | Has anyone heard of the 'vim clutch'? (https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch) |
| 16:42.41 | beelzebob | interesting idea |
| 16:44.06 | eightyeight | keldwud: \o/ |
| 16:44.24 | beelzebob | although I'm sure there are pedals with release events |
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| 17:41.46 | aeryndunham | Welp. I would love to actually get stuff done at work today, but there are 47544764 services down again. |
| 17:41.49 | aeryndunham | sighs |
| 17:47.36 | spangborn | That's a lot of services |
| 17:47.43 | spangborn | Have you tried forcing an unexpected reboot? |
| 18:08.36 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 18:08.46 | aeryndunham | I don't know how many are actually down |
| 18:08.49 | aeryndunham | but it feels like that many |
| 18:14.58 | aeryndunham | jima: thank you for the google sheets tip |
| 18:16.20 | jima | aeryndunham: no problem! i suck at productivity apps, but i'm kind of a data analytics junkie, so features like that are pretty well my sweet spot. |
| 18:17.00 | aeryndunham | I mostly use Sheets because it's automatically on all computers I use and every time I jsut close tabs and forget I don't lose any data :p |
| 18:17.15 | aeryndunham | and for my purposes it typically works just fine |
| 18:17.40 | jima | i had to re-populate like 8 rows in an excel document because i forgot to save it from my work laptop, so...i hear you. |
| 18:17.49 | aeryndunham | Only 50 kids in a list of 3400 guests |
| 18:17.54 | jima | \o/ |
| 18:18.03 | spangborn | How did you determine who was a child |
| 18:18.09 | jima | DOB |
| 18:18.13 | aeryndunham | Sorted by birthday |
| 18:18.20 | aeryndunham | which I couldn't do before because it didn't know it wasa date |
| 18:18.20 | spangborn | Oh, ez |
| 18:18.37 | aeryndunham | So I was getting all the Januaries first |
| 18:19.01 | jima | it was MM/DD/YYYY rather than YYYY-MM-DD, right? |
| 18:19.15 | jima | i hate MM/DD/YYYY (and DD/MM/YYYY) |
| 18:19.45 | spangborn | Can't excel translate the display version of the cells? |
| 18:19.54 | jima | google sheets, not excel |
| 18:20.00 | jima | but yes, it can |
| 18:20.05 | spangborn | same thing |
| 18:20.32 | jima | any spreadsheet app that can't can gtfo |
| 18:21.05 | spangborn | DIAF |
| 18:21.11 | jima | yes |
| 18:30.33 | aeryndunham | Literally all I had to do was tell it it was a date and then when I sorted it worked how I wanted it to |
| 18:31.09 | jima | even in MM/DD/YYYY, right. #derp |
| 18:31.28 | jima | kinda surprising it didn't parse it as a date automagically |
| 19:08.40 | aeryndunham | I usually attributing formatting weirdness to me being sent Excel files and then editing/using in other software |
| 19:09.35 | jima | i don't miss that crap |
| 19:09.43 | jima | dealt with it for almost 11 years at my last job. |
| 19:10.12 | aeryndunham | I'd probably use Excel if I had it but the price tag of Google Docs is much nicer |
| 19:10.48 | jima | i had to fight for a technet account late in my tenure there, then i finally had access to stuff like excel (but the company standard was openoffice). |
| 19:11.12 | aeryndunham | If I used my official Carnival company laptop I'd have Excel |
| 19:11.18 | jima | now i have an msdn ultimate account, without asking, which is ridiculous given that i'm not a developer. |
| 19:11.22 | aeryndunham | but I think I'd rather use Google Docs than Office 2010 |
| 19:11.35 | jima | yes |
| 19:11.48 | jima | 2010? ick. 2013? meh. 2016? yeeeaaah. |
| 19:12.39 | jima | ...as i run exchange 2010 which has components labelled 2004 in it. |
| 19:15.08 | spangborn | The best part about Exchange 2010 is the SOAP calls that return invalid XML |
| 19:16.11 | spangborn | When I was consulting for the LDS church, I was working in Marklogic/xQuery which can't handle API calls that return invalid XML |
| 19:17.16 | spangborn | I was tasked with pulling calendar data from Exchange. The non-prod version of it worked fine, but when we went to prod, Exchange started returning invalid XML |
| 19:17.24 | spangborn | It was awesome |
| 19:20.53 | youtah | Blah |
| 19:37.30 | aeryndunham | that sounds fun |
| 19:37.36 | jima | eww |
| 19:40.18 | aeryndunham | yeah turns out I don't like doing two people's job |
| 19:40.30 | aeryndunham | thought she was busy before |
| 19:48.53 | aeryndunham | Oh, good, they're bringing two entire environments down. I might as well leave :p |
| 19:50.40 | jima | i miss not doing 2+ people's jobs. |
| 19:52.18 | aeryndunham | at least she will come back |
| 19:52.21 | aeryndunham | so this won't be for too long |
| 19:52.31 | jima | yeah, that's good at least |
| 19:52.34 | aeryndunham | and she's probably doing more than one person's job on the ship as well |
| 19:52.56 | aeryndunham | All I really took on her from was logging defects but damn the vagueness of what I am being sent is infuriating |
| 19:53.54 | programmerq | "it is broken." |
| 19:54.49 | jima | "what is broken?" "yes" |
| 19:55.51 | aeryndunham | hahaha yup |
| 19:56.02 | aeryndunham | "there was en error" |
| 19:56.07 | aeryndunham | did you take a screenshot? no |
| 19:56.13 | aeryndunham | do you remember what it said? no |
| 20:02.50 | programmerq | "is it a laptop or a desktop" .. "yes" |
| 20:09.14 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 20:17.36 | programmerq | "the website is slow" |
| 20:17.48 | jima | "what website?" "yes" |
| 20:18.15 | programmerq | I actually had folks from QA complain that one environment was slower than the other. both were host on the same hardware, and were running identical copies of the code. |
| 20:18.30 | jima | placebo |
| 20:18.36 | programmerq | I actually set up some python profiling stuff for both, and have them go through their stuff on both of them. |
| 20:18.56 | programmerq | I analyze the profiling data and came to no conclusion. They conceded that at least during that test, the problem didn't seem to be happening. |
| 20:19.07 | programmerq | I actually did get a lot of good information about that codebase doing that exercise, though. |
| 20:19.50 | programmerq | 52% of the clock time was spent waiting on a very specific upstream api request. Another 30% or so was spent on yet another API upstream. |
| 20:20.21 | programmerq | I tried to raise my concerns about spending so much time on that one specific request because it seemed excessive for what was. nobody cared. |
| 20:20.36 | programmerq | then like a month later, someone else made the discovery and then it was a big deal. |
| 20:21.08 | programmerq | I probably wasn't as effective at communicating it as I probably could've been. |
| 20:23.10 | aeryndunham | lmaoooo they brought two environemnts down but didn't tell the remote people and there is panicked flailing all over Slack right now |
| 20:29.21 | jima | https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/0/04/Oh-noes-everybody-panic.gif |
| 21:04.27 | aeryndunham | Of course, I'm about to walk out the door and I get handed a 30 min project |
| 21:04.32 | aeryndunham | At least it won't take me too long |
| 21:41.28 | frostyfrog | 30 minutes, right? I'll guess it'll be 15-20. |
| 21:41.33 | frostyfrog | is optimistic. |
| 21:42.09 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 21:42.09 | infobot | schweet. |
| 21:43.02 | frostyfrog | cheeze |
| 21:43.52 | frostyfrog | passes the nacho cheese over. |
| 21:56.41 | youtah | https://open.spotify.com/track/75Jmm96Pjq7QAwZNBbXDnb |
| 21:56.53 | youtah | Infected Mushroom played at the Sky Bar last night |
| 21:56.57 | youtah | $30 |
| 21:57.01 | youtah | I wanted to go so badly |
| 21:57.04 | youtah | :( |
| 22:00.58 | youtah | last time I saw anyone in concert was when Jayce^ neybar and i went to see Kaskade |
| 22:36.58 | romanovic | I know my brain is trying to avoid digging through a difficult problem at work when it keeps going "I'm just gonna check irc message really quick. Oh nothing new. minimise. Ok, check irc. nope, minimise. Ok maybe something new in the last 24 seconds. nope, minimise." |
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