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| 02:48.40 | levi | spangborn: Well, the author of the article was a Jewish refugee from Nazi Germany and just wrote a book about it, so I guess he's got it on his mind. |
| 02:54.04 | levi | spangborn: But yeah, it's a pretty extreme comparison to make, and not all that apt. |
| 02:55.39 | spangborn | Yep. Crazy |
| 03:04.42 | levi | It think it's probably really about parking. :P |
| 03:06.43 | levi | People are remarkably good at self-justifying their selfish motives with moralistic reasoning, even without realizing it. |
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| 14:57.58 | spangborn | jima: so I did some digging, iPad Mini 2 has basically the same chipset as an iPhone 5s, which I believe has IPv6 support over LTE |
| 14:58.10 | spangborn | BCM43342 |
| 14:59.05 | aeryndunham | The 7 definitely has IPV6 support over LTE. (Jumping into a conversation I'm not familiar with with useless information, yay!) |
| 14:59.11 | aeryndunham | the 6, I mena |
| 14:59.17 | aeryndunham | I have a 6 |
| 14:59.26 | spangborn | My 7 does as well. :) |
| 14:59.45 | spangborn | Iâm wondering what generation was the first to implement IPv6 |
| 15:00.23 | aeryndunham | With the 6 was the first time I noticed it because T-Mobile gives IPv6 over LTE, I think |
| 15:00.24 | spangborn | Looks like the 5 supported it as well |
| 15:00.44 | jima | spangborn: yeah, afaict it should be working dandily |
| 15:01.08 | spangborn | So Iâm beginning to wonder if itâs disabled by account |
| 15:01.10 | jima | i love that people will jump into an ipv6 discussion with meaningful data :-D |
| 15:01.33 | jima | aeryndunham: iirc i've tested 6 and 7 (not that you would have known that! :-) ) |
| 15:01.44 | jima | there are...a lot of iOS devices in my home. |
| 15:01.47 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 15:01.50 | spangborn | My iPad is on the T-Mo free data, so Iâm not so sure about a post-paid LTE account |
| 15:01.58 | aeryndunham | I need to get myself a new iOS device sopon |
| 15:02.01 | jima | plot twist: my phone runs android. |
| 15:02.21 | aeryndunham | can't find an anrdoid I like |
| 15:02.22 | jima | i'm the last android holdout in my house, in fact...among 7 users. |
| 15:02.29 | spangborn | Haha. I was going to ask that |
| 15:02.41 | jima | we used to be a big blackberry shop, then we moved to android around 2010/2011 |
| 15:02.46 | spangborn | There are definitely reasons to still use Android |
| 15:02.53 | aeryndunham | Oh, of course there are |
| 15:03.01 | aeryndunham | I just personally don't like it much |
| 15:03.11 | spangborn | Ew RIM |
| 15:03.19 | jima | then everyone migrated to iOS as they got fed up with some of the directions android (and specifically samsung) were taking |
| 15:03.29 | spangborn | at least BB abandoned their own OS and moved to Android |
| 15:03.47 | jima | spangborn: pre-2011? blackberry wasn't awful, all things considered. |
| 15:04.12 | spangborn | Yep, I had a Pearl for a bit in like 2010? |
| 15:04.19 | spangborn | Maybe earlier |
| 15:05.04 | jima | yeah, we were big fans of the pearl (and other 2d-roller models) |
| 15:05.11 | jima | never really did any of the 1d-rollers |
| 15:05.12 | spangborn | Itâd have to be earlier. I got it before I got my first hacked unlocked iPhone |
| 15:09.40 | jima | as an aside, i'm happy to hear non-insane people (e.g. not me) talk about ipv6...it gets kinda lonely in the ipv6 flavor-ade club. ;-) |
| 15:10.17 | aeryndunham | I never had a Blackberry |
| 15:10.25 | aeryndunham | my first smartphone was an iPhone 3GS |
| 15:10.36 | aeryndunham | haha I don't know too much about IPv6 |
| 15:11.48 | jima | aeryndunham: that you chimed in with your observations suggests you know more than most. and yeah, that's kind of a sad statement. |
| 15:11.55 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 15:12.22 | jima | i've been doing ipv6 since...2001? 2002? it's been frustrating. |
| 15:12.36 | jima | otoh, i have this job and live in utah because of ipv6, so it's not all bad. |
| 15:13.01 | jima | (hence the license plate homage) |
| 15:14.05 | aeryndunham | you have a license plate homage to ipv6? |
| 15:14.28 | jima | http://jima.us/ipv6/lp/ <-- in there somewhere, should be obvious |
| 15:15.23 | jima | i know who about half the owners of those are |
| 15:15.47 | aeryndunham | lmao I love it |
| 15:16.28 | aeryndunham | So, I understand I might be opening a can of worms here, but besides the obvious fact of there being more numbers available, what are the virtues of ipv6? |
| 15:16.52 | jima | 1. we're not running out of ipv6 addresses (as you hint) ;-) |
| 15:17.21 | jima | 2. it brings back the notion of end-to-end networking (nat is no longer a necessity and really SHOULD go away if not for misguided people) |
| 15:17.52 | jima | 3. it simplifies subnetting (it's a network? it gets a /64! (in general)) |
| 15:18.27 | levi | It's sad that Blackberry is doing Android phones. I dunno about Blackberry OS 10 as a whole, but the QNX it's built on is nice. |
| 15:18.37 | jima | that's about all i've got off-hand. |
| 15:19.15 | aeryndunham | thanks =) |
| 15:19.47 | jima | i'm probably forgetting some important point |
| 15:20.31 | aeryndunham | SSHing into ipv6 addresses sounds like no fun though :p so much harder to remember |
| 15:22.13 | aeryndunham | But otherwise yeah, I see why they should be used more |
| 15:34.08 | jima | ipv6 reenforces the notion that you should be using dns for things ;-) |
| 15:34.27 | jima | otherwise you should get one of these: https://www.ipv6buddy.com/ |
| 15:34.43 | jima | such a cheesy site, but it's a real product. |
| 15:38.18 | aeryndunham | hahaha |
| 15:42.04 | youtah | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:43.28 | jima | youtah: hell hath no fury like a youtah scorned |
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| 16:28.37 | spangborn | I rebuilt my Linux server last night, and made the mistake of using UEFI |
| 16:29.54 | spangborn | I didn't realize two things: 1) You have to install OS on /dev/sda (or first disk) and 2) You have to install a bootloader |
| 16:31.30 | frostyfrog | 1st one isn't really true. |
| 16:32.07 | frostyfrog | If you do a UEFI install, you need to have a UEFI boot partition with the bootloader installed on it. |
| 16:32.33 | frostyfrog | If you do it like me, you also have to modify the UEFI variables. |
| 16:32.54 | spangborn | Well, Ubuntu didn't seem to like the UEFI boot partition being on the second disk |
| 16:33.11 | spangborn | Spewed some garbage about GRUB not working as a result |
| 16:33.58 | frostyfrog | Yuck, GRUB |
| 16:34.44 | spangborn | So I basically installed the OS like four times before saying screw it and nuking all the disks |
| 16:34.52 | spangborn | and installing on /dev/sda |
| 16:37.07 | frostyfrog | Didn't want to use the legacy boot stuff, huh? |
| 16:37.21 | frostyfrog | Or did Ubuntu remove that option? |
| 16:38.18 | spangborn | I initially tried that and the installer failed for a different reason, I can't remember what it was |
| 16:38.28 | spangborn | I had originally planned on just wiping the OS partition and reinstalling |
| 16:38.59 | spangborn | But I ended up rebuilding my RAID1 array anyway, so it didn't matter |
| 16:39.24 | spangborn | I just have a RAID1 array shared via AFP/SMB as a TimeMachine backup device for my Macs |
| 17:10.30 | aeryndunham | everything is not working here today |
| 17:10.33 | aeryndunham | so there is not much I can do |
| 17:15.54 | frostyfrog | Is it because they realized that you were telling the truth the whole time and are scrambling to fix their mistakes? ;) |
| 17:16.05 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 17:16.06 | aeryndunham | sort of |
| 17:16.11 | aeryndunham | launch has been scaled WAY WAY back |
| 17:16.15 | aeryndunham | and changed to a phased rollout |
| 17:16.27 | aeryndunham | which would have been the sensible decision all along if they had made that choice 2 years ago |
| 17:16.47 | aeryndunham | but now is the scramble to integrate systems whose devs have been told for 2+ years are being scrapped |
| 17:17.01 | frostyfrog | Yeah |
| 17:17.42 | frostyfrog | Roll things out on one ship at a time, and also roll out features on the "test ship" |
| 17:20.08 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 17:24.57 | frostyfrog | almost set the administrator password on a box to false >_> |
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| 17:27.05 | aeryndunham | My computer just crashed. That has literally never happened. |
| 17:29.55 | youtah | I am 70.3% certain that goozbach just walked past my office window |
| 17:30.32 | frostyfrog | Besides when the delivery guy dropped it, aeryndunham? |
| 17:30.44 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 17:30.48 | frostyfrog | ;p |
| 17:30.54 | aeryndunham | It's not new, but sitll |
| 17:31.05 | frostyfrog | "My black berry's not working" |
| 17:31.12 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 17:31.24 | aeryndunham | it's a Late 2013 MBP |
| 17:32.10 | frostyfrog | Let us take a moment of silence for the late 2014 MBP. *sniffle* |
| 17:32.13 | frostyfrog | Okay, I'm done. |
| 17:33.36 | aeryndunham | I've had good luck with this computer, and I'm glad I'm allowed to use it as my work computer |
| 17:33.57 | aeryndunham | I was certainly not using the Dell with something like 1322x768 resolution |
| 17:34.55 | frostyfrog | Hey, that's a decent resolution! |
| 17:35.08 | frostyfrog | It's better than 720p |
| 17:35.47 | aeryndunham | ehh |
| 17:35.52 | aeryndunham | it was not nice to use, that's for sure |
| 17:38.03 | frostyfrog | Just be glad that it wasn't a CRT monitor with a resolution of 800x600? |
| 17:38.35 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 17:38.41 | aeryndunham | this is true |
| 17:38.58 | aeryndunham | and of course if I had to use the one the company provided, I would have |
| 17:38.59 | aeryndunham | but they didn't care |
| 17:40.08 | youtah | HA! |
| 17:40.10 | youtah | Awesome |
| 17:40.21 | youtah | I just found out that goozbach works in the building next door! |
| 17:40.33 | youtah | Food truck time |
| 17:40.39 | frostyfrog | ;-; |
| 17:40.54 | frostyfrog | Need my portal gun so I can join you. |
| 17:41.14 | youtah | yes |
| 17:41.31 | frostyfrog | Maybe one of these days when I'm WFH |
| 17:44.17 | romanovic__ | aeryndunham: my MBP crashes and reboots probably 4 times per week. I thought my mac was just special (I have the 2016 model at work) but several other people at work, with MBP models 2014-2016 confirm the same happens with them |
| 17:44.34 | aeryndunham | Huh |
| 17:44.56 | aeryndunham | It has definitely never happened to me before |
| 17:45.02 | aeryndunham | and I haven't updated recently or anything |
| 17:45.53 | romanovic | it's anecdotal evidence, and didn't affect 100% of people around me, not sure what the pattern is. An ex coworker stated the same happens to him on his 2015 MBP, and he said it was a hardware issue |
| 17:46.16 | romanovic | but seems strange that Apple would release subsequent models without fixing a known hardware issue |
| 17:46.38 | aeryndunham | odd |
| 17:47.03 | aeryndunham | I've contemplated getting a new one, but this one is still fine |
| 17:48.41 | romanovic | is just spoiled by his personal laptop that he can run without a crash or reboot for 6mo. linux ftw. |
| 17:49.03 | frostyfrog | linux ftw |
| 17:49.34 | aeryndunham | I tried Linux for work but it just didn't work out |
| 17:49.41 | aeryndunham | I use it at home unless I'm gaming, really |
| 17:51.15 | beelzebob | my MBP crashed the other day |
| 17:51.37 | beelzebob | I figured it just didn't like my 300 open tabs or something |
| 17:52.10 | beelzebob | has a tab hoarding problem |
| 17:52.28 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 17:52.34 | frostyfrog | Let's see here. |
| 17:52.37 | youtah | don't we all? |
| 17:52.43 | youtah | I only have like 30 tabs open |
| 17:52.44 | frostyfrog | 207 at work, and... 786 at home? |
| 17:52.50 | youtah | but I have about 7 instances of Chrome open |
| 17:53.03 | youtah | so that's what? 210? |
| 17:53.44 | aeryndunham | Yeah I had like 50 tabs in 3 Chrome instances plus streaming music plus a VM running when it crashed |
| 17:54.11 | frostyfrog | only ever uses one chrome instance. |
| 17:54.20 | romanovic | there are certainly some advantages for work. I like that my MBP has HiDPI, but changes the DPI seamlessly when using a non-HiDPI external display instead of blowing everything up to 2x size |
| 17:54.29 | aeryndunham | yeah, that is nice |
| 17:55.08 | romanovic | I have hidpi on my personal laptop too, but I _cannot_ find any way to make gnome behave in this manner. |
| 17:55.13 | aeryndunham | I finally scored an external monitor, so it's like having 2 |
| 17:55.22 | youtah | https://twitter.com/iamdevloper/status/920683431935213569 |
| 17:55.35 | aeryndunham | Yeah, you run Mint, right? Mint does HiDPI pretty well except I wish there was 1.5 scaling option |
| 17:55.59 | aeryndunham | or any incremental scaling |
| 17:56.10 | aeryndunham | hidpi is definitely getting bETTER on linux but still not great |
| 17:56.15 | youtah | what about teeth scaling? |
| 17:56.24 | spangborn | XFCE has HiDPI support now :) |
| 17:56.24 | frostyfrog | doesn't use any hidpi stuff... not even on the 4k monitor... |
| 17:56.34 | spangborn | nobody wants to hear about your teeth, youtah ;p |
| 17:56.42 | romanovic | yeah, on a single display Mint does well with HiDPI |
| 17:56.44 | aeryndunham | A lot of the DEs have the support now, but it's lots of applications that don't |
| 17:56.50 | aeryndunham | glares at LibreOffice |
| 17:56.56 | romanovic | or multiple displays if they are also HiDPI |
| 17:57.01 | youtah | spangborn, what about Linux's teeth? They want it to be scalable too |
| 17:57.11 | youtah | You see that tweet I posted spangborn? |
| 17:57.20 | youtah | Pretty much perfect |
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| 17:57.27 | aeryndunham | Although I've mostly just been using Google Docs on every computer these days anyway |
| 17:57.49 | romanovic | I use a few electron-based apps (spotify, slack) that don't respect the DPI setting. so they are teeny tiny |
| 17:58.25 | spangborn | I just use the scaling anyway |
| 17:58.34 | spangborn | Scaled to maximize screen real-estate :) |
| 17:58.53 | frostyfrog | So, 20% normal size, right? |
| 17:59.08 | aeryndunham | Huh, I didn't have issue with Electron apps in that regard |
| 17:59.12 | aeryndunham | and I regularly use quite a few |
| 17:59.28 | romanovic | which environment are you using? Plasma? |
| 17:59.28 | aeryndunham | is apaprently the few people who doesn't hate Electron apps |
| 17:59.34 | aeryndunham | Uhhh at the time, yeah |
| 17:59.35 | frostyfrog | was referring to spangborn's real-estate comment. |
| 18:00.05 | frostyfrog | err.. can't follow this anymore |
| 18:00.24 | spangborn | I donât use Linux on the desktop |
| 18:00.35 | spangborn | Mostly because the year of the Linux desktop isnât until 2026 |
| 18:01.32 | aeryndunham | I had the laptop dual-booted for a bit but I don't anymore. I use Plasma at home but my monitor there is not HiDPI. But I remember Slack, Discord, and Atom being fine on the HiDPI Plasma |
| 18:03.45 | romanovic | interesting. maybe a gnome specific issue then. I do like companies that develop apps using electron. Easy to put an app together, and by its nature is cross platform |
| 18:04.31 | aeryndunham | I really like Atom, and I guess I'm never doing anything large enough that I've noticed the slowness people complain about |
| 18:06.14 | aeryndunham | dang I feel bad about how little work i'm doing today |
| 18:06.21 | aeryndunham | but everything I need access to to do anything else is down |
| 18:26.16 | aeryndunham | I |
| 18:26.24 | aeryndunham | I am just playing with the phones I'm supposed to be testing |
| 18:28.36 | jima | oops |
| 18:29.09 | aeryndunham | I really like them both |
| 18:29.27 | aeryndunham | (I can't test our official applications if I can't get them to run anywhere today) |
| 19:03.58 | aeryndunham | so... we use a lot of fake people for our test sailings, and typically we use the same format for all our fake email addresses... firstname.lastname@[localemailsite].com |
| 19:04.14 | aeryndunham | and whoever created the upload for the next voyage, all of a sudden it's like.... |
| 19:04.40 | aeryndunham | gsxlarrmkl@blah.com and blbyvtiigbuh_66914@blah.com |
| 19:04.41 | aeryndunham | wtf |
| 19:14.39 | spangborn | So I just bought some airpods |
| 19:14.50 | spangborn | Figure they'll be decent for workouts |
| 19:15.14 | spangborn | #appleshill |
| 19:20.50 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 19:21.17 | spangborn | It was either Airpods or the new Jaybirds, and I haven't been terribly impressed with Jaybird battery life |
| 19:21.29 | spangborn | I'm admittedly still a fan of Jaybird because they're local |
| 19:39.47 | levi | Speaking of Apple, take care when discusing "serious" issues around an iPhone! |
| 19:41.33 | spangborn | lol |
| 19:41.37 | spangborn | "hey siri" |
| 19:42.43 | beelzebob | "seriously, the password is hunter2!" |
| 19:43.47 | levi | We just got a good chuckle here when the Siri tone went off in the middle of a discussion. |
| 19:43.49 | beelzebob | "I was unable to find anything about ugly the password is hunter2" |
| 19:45.55 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 19:46.19 | aeryndunham | Oh joy, just got to scroll through 2934 fake passengers on a spreadsheet looking for bookings with kids in them |
| 19:46.36 | aeryndunham | as there was no separate "year of birth" field so was no easy way to sort |
| 19:50.56 | beelzebob | ...so how could you tell if they were kids? |
| 20:20.02 | aeryndunham | the birthdates are all listed as mm/dd/yyyy |
| 20:20.15 | aeryndunham | but in one column |
| 20:20.27 | jima | you can't change the format for the dates to YYYY-MM-DD? |
| 20:20.35 | jima | most spreadsheet programs support that |
| 20:20.46 | jima | (iso8601 for lyfe btw) |
| 20:23.11 | beelzebob | I can't imagine a spreadsheet program that wouldn't understand a date format and be able to sort/filter by it |
| 20:25.10 | jima | also sorting |
| 20:25.14 | jima | derp, you said sort |
| 20:25.24 | jima | we are in 100% agreement |
| 20:29.00 | jima | packs up |
| 20:35.30 | bryceml | +1 for iso8601 |
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| 21:15.27 | aeryndunham | Neither of the spreadsheet programs I used seem to be able to do anything with the date |
| 21:15.49 | aeryndunham | but maybe it's because it was an .xlsx document and then I can use here either Google Sheets or Numbers |
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