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| 02:32.35 | spangborn | nano is better though |
| 04:27.12 | levi | Ed is the standard text editor. |
| 04:35.45 | levi | https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.txt |
| 05:22.12 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 05:23.32 | klys | sounds like qualcomm blew a qfuse |
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| 14:23.50 | aeryndunham | I am wearing a floor-length dress and a cardigan over it and I am still freezing my behind off in this office |
| 14:25.15 | vimalloc | Space heaters forever. I think I would die without mine |
| 14:27.02 | aeryndunham | it's a little bit warmer in the demo area but I'm out of reasons to hang out there |
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| 15:31.56 | jlp_znc | it's 82 degrees there, aeryndunham, just step outside for a few minutes. |
| 15:32.18 | aeryndunham | I know |
| 15:32.19 | jlp_znc | (it's 46 here) |
| 15:32.19 | aeryndunham | and I do, often |
| 16:03.27 | frostyfrog | levi: A subtle bash against emacs. I like it x3 |
| 16:04.06 | spangborn | I prefer a subtle ksh against emacs |
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| 16:05.28 | frostyfrog | has never used ksh. Nor have they ever used fsh, but they would use it because it's pronounced fish. And cats like fish x3 |
| 16:05.56 | spangborn | actually uses bash |
| 16:09.21 | frostyfrog | Ditto, on all machines that aren't mine (and a couple that are). I personally use zsh. Mainly because I can hit the tab key and use the arrow keys to select the files/folders that I want to edit/enter |
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| 16:15.45 | spangborn | ksh is the default shell on our work machines, but I always switch to bash |
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| 16:34.27 | frostyfrog | o.o Is that set by IT, or the OS? |
| 16:34.41 | spangborn | IT |
| 16:35.15 | frostyfrog | Huh, interesting. |
| 16:35.22 | spangborn | Or DevOps, really |
| 16:35.30 | spangborn | Because they use ksh for most of their Jenkins scripts |
| 16:35.48 | jlp_znc | yeah, I've been using bash since 1988 or so... kind of have an investment there. |
| 16:36.01 | spangborn | You've almost been using Bash longer than I've been alive |
| 16:36.28 | jlp_znc | I was a committed csh user before that |
| 16:37.28 | jlp_znc | occasionally tcsh |
| 16:38.52 | jlp_znc | but http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/csh |
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| 16:59.39 | d3c4f | I'm a huge fan of zshell |
| 17:00.23 | d3c4f | http://www.zsh.org/ |
| 17:01.00 | d3c4f | I usually throw omzsh on top: https://github.com/robbyrussell/oh-my-zsh |
| 17:01.16 | frostyfrog | There's this link as well ;) http://ohmyz.sh/ |
| 17:02.20 | d3c4f | I usually use a customized agnoster theme |
| 17:02.51 | d3c4f | as the built in git plugin is used a little too heavy for my taste, which can slow down the prompts in zsh |
| 17:03.01 | d3c4f | at least on larger projects |
| 17:05.14 | frostyfrog | uses a modified ys theme to show them both git and bzr info at the same time. |
| 17:05.31 | d3c4f | nice |
| 17:06.09 | frostyfrog | sometimes sticks a git repo inside of bzr to keep track of changes in git, then "exports" them to bzr. |
| 17:14.31 | spangborn | Rofl https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/equifax-website-hacked-again-this-time-to-redirect-to-fake-flash-update/ |
| 17:19.06 | manithree | And after all our glowing reviews of T-Mobile: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/10/t-mobile-website-bug-apparently-exploited-to-mine-sensitive-account-data/ |
| 17:19.25 | manithree | It's a good week to be teaching security |
| 17:22.32 | spangborn | slams face into desk |
| 17:28.29 | spangborn | changes password, SQA |
| 17:33.47 | frostyfrog | switches to using https://www.passwordstore.org/ |
| 17:34.25 | spangborn | 1Password ftw |
| 17:35.15 | spangborn | and homebrew only on macos, ew |
| 17:35.43 | d3c4f | I'm a huge fan of keepass + (dropbox, spideroak, or owncloud) |
| 17:37.27 | frostyfrog | IIRC, keepass uses a database, and that doesn't sit well with me if I'm syncing the files accross machines. |
| 17:38.30 | frostyfrog | (also, mono >_>) |
| 17:38.36 | spangborn | blegh mono |
| 17:39.08 | spangborn | 1Password has a CLI version now too |
| 17:40.34 | frostyfrog | That looks like a good solution for families, that's for sure :) |
| 17:40.36 | d3c4f | frostyfrog: keepass will detect changes in a shared fileif it's opened on multiple locations. It works really well |
| 17:41.29 | d3c4f | If you want even better concurrency, check out http://www.pleasantsolutions.com/passwordserver (it is a pay project now though) |
| 17:41.29 | frostyfrog | d3c4f: I'm worried more about DB corruption. When using a single file DB, I've had a few too many corruptions happen to trust 'em. |
| 17:41.50 | d3c4f | dropbox and spideroak are versioned |
| 17:42.00 | d3c4f | sorry, dropbox and owncloud |
| 17:42.14 | d3c4f | I don't remember if spideroak is or not |
| 17:43.12 | d3c4f | I've never lost a file in keepass or dropbox/owncloud/spideroak. I'm pretty confident in it |
| 17:43.40 | d3c4f | I even keep all my PKs in a seperate keepass file |
| 17:44.32 | d3c4f | on some level I think pretty much all password managers have to use some form of a database |
| 17:45.45 | frostyfrog | password store uses flat files that are gpg encrypted with one's public key. |
| 17:47.00 | d3c4f | interesting, wouldn't those files be just as susceptible to corruption? |
| 17:47.25 | manithree | but easier to fix |
| 17:47.38 | manithree | has been using keepass (now xc) on dropbox for years |
| 17:47.39 | frostyfrog | On an individual basis, yes. |
| 17:49.00 | frostyfrog | Also, it's less likely that I'll lose all of my passwords just because the program crashes. |
| 17:49.25 | frostyfrog | has had issues with technologies such as SQLite. |
| 17:50.49 | frostyfrog | database servers are also less susceptible to corruption due to one running instance modifying the file and it doesn't get bounced every time a client application starts and stops. |
| 18:07.16 | aeryndunham | so I'm thinking of doing something obnoxiously passive-aggressive to our developers |
| 18:07.54 | spangborn | Ride |
| 18:07.57 | spangborn | Rude* |
| 18:11.46 | fungus | spangborn, how do you use 1password on Linux? |
| 18:12.39 | aeryndunham | so I'm setting up a bunch of phones/tablets for a developer run-through tonight (super casual, internal thing) and they need 3 phones loaded with the guest-facing app and this thing runs on NOTHING |
| 18:12.47 | spangborn | I haven't actually used it on Linux yet, but they announced a CLI version: https://app-updates.agilebits.com/product_history/CLI |
| 18:13.05 | spangborn | https://support.1password.com/command-line-getting-started/ |
| 18:13.20 | aeryndunham | but I kind of feel like hanging them the Moto G4 and have them watch the app crash on startup and force them to finally deal with the fact that they probably need to make it actually run on stuff |
| 18:13.25 | spangborn | Kinda cool that they're leaning on keybase for verification |
| 18:13.26 | aeryndunham | *handing them |
| 18:14.19 | aeryndunham | Because I keep telling them things like "you know, my iPhone 6 isn't exactly an ancient relic, why can't I run the app?" |
| 18:14.25 | aeryndunham | and they laugh and ignore me |
| 18:14.50 | aeryndunham | but the one year old Moto G4 running android 7 should DEFINITELY run this stupid thing |
| 18:15.40 | spangborn | lolandroid |
| 18:16.33 | aeryndunham | It runs on the shitty Sony phones we've purchased for crew, and it runs on anything iPhone 6S or newer, but like..... nothing else |
| 18:18.07 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: wat |
| 18:18.11 | frostyfrog | That's nuts! |
| 18:18.26 | aeryndunham | and I think they probably don't even know the extent to which it doesn't work |
| 18:18.39 | aeryndunham | so I feel like just including this Moto G4 in the pile of "guest" phones |
| 18:18.44 | aeryndunham | so they are forced to reckon with it |
| 18:19.37 | frostyfrog | There are a fair few people with multi-year old phones. Not everyone can afford a new phone every year. |
| 18:19.58 | aeryndunham | ooh I just got it running on a Galaxy S7 |
| 18:20.03 | aeryndunham | so that's something :p |
| 18:20.27 | frostyfrog | is a little curious as to where these phones may be coming from. |
| 18:20.55 | aeryndunham | They ordered a crap ton for tetsing a while ago |
| 18:21.04 | aeryndunham | Before they knew what they were going with for crew |
| 18:21.08 | aeryndunham | They sit in a cupboard |
| 18:21.57 | frostyfrog | Where's the automated testing? I would've thought they'd implement something like that if they were letting guests use the app as well... |
| 18:22.01 | aeryndunham | oh wait it just launched on the motog |
| 18:22.20 | aeryndunham | There might be automated testing, I dunno |
| 18:22.26 | aeryndunham | there is an end-to-end QA team |
| 18:22.29 | aeryndunham | I'm just not on it |
| 18:24.04 | frostyfrog | 's father's work has automated testing on real hardware with various ipads, android devices, chrome books, etc. |
| 18:24.20 | Migs | My son is the creepy kid in kindergarten. He has a little friend, a black girl named Nevaeh, and every day after school as they're leaving he always gives her a hug but she always tries to squirm away. |
| 18:24.35 | spangborn | Neveah is the most Utah name ever |
| 18:24.44 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 18:24.46 | Migs | yeah no kidding |
| 18:24.53 | Migs | 10 years ago every kid was named Aiden. Now every kid is named Neveah. |
| 18:25.04 | Migs | one day every nursing home is going to be filled with a bunch of senile Aidens adn Neveahs. |
| 18:25.06 | frostyfrog | has no idea how to pronounce that. |
| 18:25.10 | spangborn | "lol we'll name our kid heaven backwards because she'll probably be a nightmare" |
| 18:25.12 | Migs | NUH-VAY-UH |
| 18:25.25 | Migs | *Nevaeh |
| 18:25.29 | Migs | gotta spell it right, at least |
| 18:25.40 | spangborn | lol yes |
| 18:25.56 | frostyfrog | Ah, that's how to pronounce it. Thanks :) |
| 18:26.11 | spangborn | The correct spelling looks incorrect, on top of that |
| 18:26.17 | spangborn | "ae" names are weird |
| 18:26.23 | frostyfrog | was thinking along the lines of Neh-vaaa-eeh |
| 18:26.36 | Migs | I should name my kid "Lanigiro" |
| 18:26.52 | frostyfrog | Just means they can use that weird AE character in their name ;p |
| 18:26.59 | Migs | æ |
| 18:27.15 | Migs | can't believe I still remember the ASCII code for that |
| 18:27.19 | spangborn | lol Migs |
| 18:27.20 | Migs | ALT-145 |
| 18:27.39 | spangborn | looks at the missing 10-key on his laptop |
| 18:27.42 | Migs | or à |
| 18:27.46 | spangborn | throws T440 on floor |
| 18:27.48 | Migs | sux4u |
| 18:29.58 | frostyfrog | got  on their linux machine >_> |
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