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| 13:55.50 | aeryndunham | is it friday yet? |
| 15:09.24 | unum | yes |
| 15:09.30 | unum | you have the next two days off |
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| 16:17.29 | jlp_znc | don't listen to him! |
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| 16:23.23 | jlp_znc | ~lunmbergh |
| 16:23.27 | jlp_znc | :-( |
| 16:23.45 | jlp_znc | ~lumbergh |
| 16:23.58 | jlp_znc | hmmm, was hoping it was just a misspelling. |
| 16:28.32 | jlp_znc | ~lumbergh |
| 16:28.32 | infobot | [lumbergh] <replyAahh, now, are you going to go ahead and have those TPS reports for us this afternoon? |
| 16:28.39 | jlp_znc | arg |
| 16:29.10 | jlp_znc | ~lumbergh |
| 16:29.10 | infobot | Next Friday is Hawaiian shirt day. |
| 16:34.46 | jlp_znc | ~lawrence youtah |
| 16:34.46 | infobot | Hey, youtah, man, check out channel nine, check out this chick! |
| 16:45.10 | jlp_znc | there are so many good quotes for lawrence, but this is a family channel. |
| 16:54.40 | jlp_znc | ~peter |
| 16:54.40 | infobot | Uh, don't worry about him. He's cool. |
| 16:54.51 | jlp_znc | ~peter |
| 16:54.51 | infobot | Yeah. I got the memo. |
| 17:07.01 | manithree | I would have lost the bets: http://www.foxla.com/news/utah-officer-fired-nurse-arrest-caught-on-video |
| 17:07.01 | jlp_znc | ~lumbergh |
| 17:07.02 | infobot | We're gonna need to go ahead and move you downstairs into storage B. |
| 17:07.42 | aeryndunham | whoops, just royally pissed someone off at work :( |
| 17:07.46 | aeryndunham | i feel bad, didn't mean to |
| 17:08.00 | jlp_znc | was that because you fixed their crap without telling them in advance? :-) |
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| 17:19.06 | aeryndunham | haha no |
| 17:19.22 | aeryndunham | I reported an issue to a general Slack channel instead of going to them directly and quietly |
| 17:19.50 | aeryndunham | Even though it wasn't REALLY their issue, it was their UI with the issue but I could totally tell that the service failing was just one they were calling |
| 17:20.00 | aeryndunham | not one they owned/maintained |
| 17:51.22 | unum | hmmmm |
| 17:51.35 | unum | seems like one should expect mistakes to published in house |
| 17:51.47 | unum | through a ticket tracking system and what not |
| 17:54.07 | frostyfrog | does it via ticket system and slack |
| 17:54.25 | frostyfrog | Slack first to see if someone's filed a ticket |
| 18:42.45 | romanovic | agreed. if you can't openly discuss outstanding issues in a general Slack channel, you're losing the benefit of Slack |
| 18:43.21 | romanovic | there's a reason things don't get done when you just file a ticket and all discussion happens under the discussion section of that ticket |
| 18:43.43 | frostyfrog | Who reads tickets? |
| 18:44.00 | frostyfrog | goes as far as reading the summary and the description sections. :p |
| 18:45.15 | romanovic | it's like Seinfeld's observation of doctors. "I speak no no-one wearing pants. Take off your pants and then I'll tell you what I think about everything" |
| 18:47.28 | romanovic | when people regress into the "I speak to no-one without a dev ticket" mode, things just fall through the cracks. 7 duplicate tickets for the same thing, all 18 months out on the backlog, nobody looks at them anymore |
| 19:11.45 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I usually start with Slack, in case it's either already logged in JIRA or it's a 2 second fix |
| 19:13.25 | aeryndunham | but they were all "I don't want people thinking our stuff doesn't work" |
| 19:31.16 | jlp_znc | sounds like a perception problem on their side... why couldn't they have responded with "oh, yeah, that's XYZ service that we call... not really our problem, but maybe we could handle the error a little better." |
| 19:31.26 | jlp_znc | then open a ticket for adding better error handling. |
| 19:31.52 | jfindlay | there's jlp_znc, trying to be an optimist :) |
| 19:32.14 | jlp_znc | that's the way I roll |
| 19:32.26 | jfindlay | an attitude in serious deficiency in this profession |
| 19:32.40 | jfindlay | causing so much waste |
| 19:32.58 | jfindlay | see, I can't even talk about the virtues without sounding pessimistic |
| 19:33.18 | jlp_znc | probably better file a ticket so you can talk about it |
| 19:34.04 | jfindlay | how many smilies offsets a negative tone? |
| 19:34.09 | jlp_znc | whoa, Katy Perry just popped up on my play list. -> skip |
| 19:34.31 | jfindlay | ~:)stats |
| 19:34.34 | infobot | total count of :) on #utah: 1927. Top 3: goozbach -- 286 (14.8%), eightyeight -- 201 (10.4%), SunSparc -- 170 (8.8%) |
| 19:35.02 | jlp_znc | that's because it doesn't track *real* smileys :-) |
| 19:35.16 | jfindlay | :--) |
| 19:35.25 | jlp_znc | dude, what's wrong with your nose? |
| 19:35.33 | jlp_znc | oh, ~horse jfindlay |
| 19:35.48 | jlp_znc | arg |
| 19:35.53 | jlp_znc | ~horse jfindlay |
| 19:35.53 | infobot | http://jfindlay.horse/ |
| 19:39.10 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc: It was an extra fun error to explain because it works fine on my computer but NOBODY else's and I hae no idea why :p |
| 19:40.23 | jlp_znc | it's WOMM certified |
| 19:40.59 | jlp_znc | ~WOMM |
| 19:40.59 | infobot | i guess womm is Works on My Machine |
| 19:42.34 | eightyeight | ~linux |
| 19:42.34 | infobot | How can I get Linux OS tell me the procedure for my HP laptop? |
| 19:42.57 | aeryndunham | I mean, I could see in the network console that it was definitely working differently for me than others. which makes no earthly sense. |
| 19:47.14 | frostyfrog | Oh yeah, multiple companies are in that slack channel, right? |
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| 19:52.34 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 19:53.10 | aeryndunham | One of the companies gives their employees laptops that are so locked down they can't open a google document |
| 19:53.15 | aeryndunham | meanwhile here's me using my own |
| 20:01.58 | spangborn | I canât do that on my machine |
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| 21:25.57 | jfindlay | they would have to remunerate in plethoras for me to work in prison conditions like that |
| 21:53.51 | unum | it's always weird to me to think about it controling developers workstations |
| 21:54.14 | unum | of course in a targeted enviroment I should expect it |
| 21:57.39 | spangborn | Well I work in online security :) |
| 21:58.00 | spangborn | Source code is only allowed inside our Citrix VMs |
| 21:58.13 | spangborn | Which makes things interesting |
| 21:58.45 | jlp_znc | ick |
| 21:59.19 | jlp_znc | I've worked in "air gap" environments before, and I think forcing dev to happen in Citrix is terrible. |
| 21:59.53 | jlp_znc | "hey, what can we do to reduce developer productivity?" "how about making them do all their dev on VMs?" "brilliant!" |
| 21:59.59 | spangborn | Well, this was a mostly knee-jerk reaction to someone in a different group leaving and not returning a laptop |
| 22:00.04 | spangborn | which had source on it |
| 22:00.36 | jlp_znc | I guess it reduces the cost of the laptops you have to buy for people. |
| 22:00.49 | spangborn | Eh, they're still buying the same laptops they did before |
| 22:00.53 | spangborn | They're just basically dumb terminals now |
| 22:01.09 | spangborn | Means if the machine has a problem they can just reimage it, though |
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| 22:30.46 | SunSparc | ~vim |
| 22:30.46 | infobot | vim is probably better than emacs |
| 22:30.55 | SunSparc | I agree. |
| 22:31.05 | SunSparc | infobot: vim is also https://vimisbetterthanemacs.com/ |
| 22:31.05 | infobot | ACTION drops is also https://vimisbetterthanemacs.com/ into a vim buffer and edits is also https://vimisbetterthanemacs.com/ into a nice, obscure perl script |
| 22:31.27 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:32.16 | frostyfrog | ~vim |
| 22:32.16 | infobot | i guess vim is better than emacs |
| 22:32.42 | frostyfrog | shrugs |
| 22:32.46 | frostyfrog | ~literal vim |
| 22:32.46 | infobot | "vim" is "better than emacs" |
| 22:44.13 | jfindlay | I guess that kind of development could make sense in certain contexts |
| 22:44.23 | jfindlay | engineering is all about tradeoffs |
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| 23:16.24 | jlp_znc | vim is NOT better than emacs. just different. |