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| 17:01.41 | frostyfrog | Huh https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--oJj_8Jac--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/ijqzgsqfsslrfylg1v6j.jpg |
| 17:03.41 | programmerq | that's pretty common in trademarks |
| 17:03.49 | programmerq | it must be used as an adjective |
| 17:04.08 | programmerq | not always |
| 17:04.26 | frostyfrog | I just never thought that they'd have to make something like that. |
| 17:04.34 | spangborn_ | Adobe's done that with Photoshop |
| 17:04.45 | spangborn_ | https://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressmaterials/pdfs/photoshop_guidelines_pr.pdf |
| 17:05.19 | frostyfrog | Yup, but I've actually heard people say "That image is photoshopped" |
| 17:05.38 | frostyfrog | I've never heard someone say "Hey, do you have a Nintendo?" |
| 17:13.09 | programmerq | frostyfrog⸠in that era, "nintendo" was becoming synonymous with "video games", similar to "kleenex". since there were other systems out there that had nothing to do with nintendo, they wanted to separate it out to protect their brand/trademark. |
| 17:13.41 | programmerq | and I definitely remember it being used as a noun. "oh yeah, bobby has a nintendo at his house. he's so lucky" |
| 17:26.53 | frostyfrog | Aah |
| 17:26.58 | frostyfrog | #BeforeMyTime |
| 17:32.42 | programmerq | SunSparc never came back. the ufo must have gotten him. |
| 17:36.22 | beelzebob | frostyfrog: thanks for my daily dose of "I feel old" :) |
| 17:37.16 | beelzebob | Also, I stole your hardstatus line from your .screenrc |
| 17:37.44 | beelzebob | but it seems you stole it from someone else, so I don't feel bad |
| 17:37.51 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 17:38.20 | frostyfrog | Yeah, feel free to steal what you need/want. That's why it's public. |
| 17:38.58 | beelzebob | checks to see if .ssh is included... |
| 17:39.20 | beelzebob | ah, oh well |
| 18:14.06 | Migs | http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41413297 |
| 18:24.07 | manithree | Different issue than trademark, but I hate it when people refer to wikipedia as "the wiki" |
| 18:46.16 | manithree | Even worse than when I'm told my mythtv is a tivo (or I tivo'ed a show) |
| 19:16.27 | spangborn_ | Careful mentioning wikipedia |
| 19:16.35 | spangborn_ | You'll set off youtah on a rant about pronunciation |
| 20:49.15 | jima | i pronounce it "woo-kuh-pod-e-a" |
| 20:49.24 | jima | waits for sound of head asplode |
| 21:23.39 | levip | The correct referent of "The Wiki" is http://wiki.c2.com/ :P |
| 21:34.37 | frostyfrog | youtah isn't in here, sooo ;p |
| 21:51.06 | manithree | levip: Agreed. I love wikipedia, but "the wiki" is Ward Cunningham, not Jimmy Wales. |
| 21:51.57 | manithree | lol, wikipuppies |
| 21:59.20 | spangborn_ | Jimmy Wales is just a giant banner ad |
| 22:05.32 | eightyeight | manithree: re: "the wiki", i felt that way, until i found wikia.com for fan-wikis |
| 22:06.02 | eightyeight | aside from those two wikis though, i'm honestly not familiar with any others. or at least, i don't interact with others very frequently enough to notice |
| 22:06.44 | eightyeight | (i have personal and professional wikis, but they don't really count) |
| 22:11.33 | levip | Ward Cunningham's is the author of the original Wiki concept and http://wiki.c2.com/ is that original Wiki. |
| 22:13.18 | eightyeight | sure. i think i've stumbled on it once before, some time ago. that's about the extent of my interaction with it. |
| 22:35.50 | manithree | I wouldn't argue against the proposition that wikipedia is the largest, most influential wiki. |
| 22:38.54 | manithree | But, technically, "the wiki" is just wrong since there are a LOT of wiki(wiki)s in the Internet and Intranets |
| 22:42.26 | eightyeight | yeah. i'm just saying that aside from wikipedia, and wikia, they aren't really prevailent |
| 22:42.48 | eightyeight | at least that i've encountered |
| 22:43.26 | eightyeight | "can i have a (band-aid|aspirin|kleenex)" is in the same argument, i think |
| 22:44.05 | eightyeight | bandage == band-aid. tissue == kleenex. pain killer == aspirin. wiki == wikipedia. |
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| 23:14.07 | levip | Usually you think of those examples as trademark dilution stories, where there's a generic name plus a specific trademark name that comes to be associated with a brand's version of the generic thing. |
| 23:14.40 | levip | I phrased that poorly; imagine it makes sense. :P |
| 23:18.13 | frostyfrog | "the wiki" can make sense given the context, however. Such as "Hey, could you add the workaround to the [company] wiki?". Still though, one could include the omitted words. |
| 23:19.02 | frostyfrog | levip: reminds me a bit of Mickey Mouse |
| 23:19.20 | levip | Another analogy: Bob invents a new literary form called "the novella" and publishes one; it has a niche audience, but it's well known there. Big name author Joe then publishes "Joe's Novella" which becomes a bestseller; now random people refer to "Joe's Novella" as "The Novella". |
| 23:20.16 | frostyfrog | Ah, that makes sense |
| 23:21.37 | levip | Also flawed, but I think better illustrates the problem people might have with others referring to Wikipedia as "The Wiki" (at least when it's not clear from context that we're not referring to a local intranet wiki or something). |
| 23:23.00 | aeryndunham | great news, for the first time since I moved here, the delivery driver did NOT call me because they were lost and couldn't find my apartment \o/ |
| 23:24.12 | levip | No one's stomping on trademarks, and the name was freely available for use, and Wikipedia is legitimately a Wiki. It's just weird to people who know about wikis in general to hear it be called "The Wiki". |
| 23:24.55 | levip | aeryndunham: Heh, nice. :) |
| 23:27.02 | aeryndunham | takes small wins where she can get them |
