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| 16:22.24 | keldwud | hey has anybody found a decent terminal emulator for Windows Subsystem for Linux yet? I've heard about ConEmu so far but am wondering if anyone else has been experimenting with bash on windows. the default terminal emulator provided by windows is not quite fulfilling my needs. |
| 16:23.00 | manithree | ConEmu gives RDP a lot less grief than the default windows one. That's what I've been using. |
| 16:23.24 | SunSparc | Anyone else in Utah County have a view of the sky to the South West right now? I see what seems to be a celestial body. I was thinking maybe a planet or really bright star. I just checked the charts and there are no planets in that vicinity currently. The brightest start is Betelguese, but it is pretty bright out to still be able to see that. For me it appears around 216 degrees (SW) and about 60 degrees |
| 16:23.30 | SunSparc | above the horizon. |
| 16:24.10 | manithree | helicopter |
| 16:24.53 | SunSparc | I have been observing it for about 30 minutes, has not left the spot. |
| 16:25.06 | manithree | Madagascar quotes fail me again |
| 16:25.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:25.34 | keldwud | https://media.giphy.com/media/tyttpHduQdg3d6O8jAs/giphy-downsized-large.gif |
| 16:25.52 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:30.13 | programmerq | SunSparc⸠I looked southwest from eagle mountain and only saw clouds |
| 16:30.24 | programmerq | are you able to get a picture? |
| 16:31.11 | SunSparc | programmerq: Yeah, it is currently partially obscured by clouds, but I can still see it. I only have a mobile camera, but I can see what it will do... |
| 16:31.38 | programmerq | I'm curious more about the positional information about it than the actual object |
| 16:31.42 | programmerq | it'll end up being 3 pixels |
| 16:31.57 | programmerq | which is fine, if there's enough geographical context |
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| 16:33.34 | programmerq | http://www.dishpointer.com/ - maybe see if it lines up with a known satellite? |
| 16:33.45 | programmerq | it would be weird for one to be visible at all |
| 16:33.47 | frostyfrog | All I know of is http://www.rapidfire-it.com/images/westmnt1/image.jpg but it's not really facing skyward... (and I'm in an office building >_>) |
| 16:35.08 | programmerq | that's pointing east though? |
| 16:36.37 | SunSparc | Yeah, I thought maybe synchronous satellite. |
| 16:41.32 | keldwud | so I've run into this weird issue with windows, virtualbox and bridged adapters when I move my laptop to different networks. I have the virtualbox bridged adapters connected to my ethernet gigabit connection (over usb) and when I go home and connect to my wifi then come back to work and reconnect to the gigabit, the guests can no longer find the connection. recycling the network does not resolve the issue, bouncing the guests does not |
| 16:41.58 | keldwud | bouncing the virtualbox adapter does not resolve, but rebooting the host obviously resolves the issue |
| 16:42.09 | programmerq | weird |
| 16:42.14 | keldwud | what am I missing here? |
| 16:42.38 | keldwud | I'm sure there's an easier way for me to bring these interfaces back up without having to reboot the host |
| 16:42.55 | programmerq | that os is the host? |
| 16:43.02 | programmerq | what* |
| 16:43.07 | keldwud | windows is the host OS |
| 16:43.14 | keldwud | I guess maybe I could switch to qemu, but I'm not proficient enough with it to get things done quickly. |
| 16:43.52 | programmerq | honestly, I'm a big fan of not using virtualbox wherever possible. do you have a version of windows that lets you use hyperv? |
| 16:43.55 | keldwud | I confirmed the issue happens in three different guests. one kali with gui, one centos and one ubuntu |
| 16:44.12 | keldwud | I hadn't thought about trying hyperv |
| 16:44.17 | keldwud | coming from a linux background and all |
| 16:44.26 | SunSparc | programmerq: https://www.dropbox.com/s/4epmmfzs6xohwdi/WhatIsIt.jpg?dl=0 |
| 16:44.27 | keldwud | I have windows pro, does that allow it? |
| 16:44.44 | SunSparc | https://www.dropbox.com/s/prrd4grxowzon3x/WhatIsIt-Zoom.jpg?dl=0 |
| 16:45.19 | programmerq | keldwud⸠pro should let you use hyperv |
| 16:45.30 | programmerq | you can't use both hyperv and virtualbox at the same time |
| 16:45.38 | programmerq | but if you find that hyperv works for you, then great |
| 16:46.12 | programmerq | SunSparc⸠I can't really distinguish anything other than clouds |
| 16:46.13 | keldwud | what's the learning curve on it on a scale of qemu to virtualbox? |
| 16:46.27 | programmerq | I honestly had no idea there was a port of qemu to windows. |
| 16:47.16 | SunSparc | programmerq: Yeah, I put a faint red circle around it in the first picture, top left quadrant. But it is still hard to see in the picture. |
| 16:47.30 | frostyfrog | Wait |
| 16:47.49 | frostyfrog | Are you switching interfaces on your host OS? |
| 16:48.00 | keldwud | https://qemu.weilnetz.de/w64/ |
| 16:48.25 | programmerq | I really don't know how to switch interfaces on qemu on linux, let alone on windows. |
| 16:48.27 | keldwud | frostyfrog: yeah, on the host. I just assume that if I switch back to the bridged interface that the connection will restore gracefully |
| 16:49.42 | frostyfrog | I'm not certain about that. If (for instance) your unplugging and plugging in the gigabit ethernet adapter, it could be grabbing a different ID than what it had before. |
| 16:49.58 | keldwud | frostyfrog: aahh, that might make sense |
| 16:50.19 | keldwud | because they pick up inet6 addresses |
| 16:50.28 | keldwud | but they don't dhcp anymore and also don't dns |
| 16:50.31 | frostyfrog | It's like on linux and you plug in a USB drive and sometimes it's /dev/sdb where as other times it might be /dev/sdc or sdd |
| 16:50.36 | keldwud | but they still think the interface is connected |
| 16:51.21 | keldwud | so if I set up a static IP for that interface on my work network then I could probably avoid having to reboot everything all the time just to keep networking on my guests. will save me some time |
| 16:51.30 | keldwud | thanks for the suggestion frostyfrog, I hadn't thought of that |
| 16:52.12 | frostyfrog | Well, it might not have much to do with the static IP (it could, but I'm not certain) |
| 16:52.59 | frostyfrog | A reboot causes you machine to re-iterate through all the devices and sequentially hand out unique IDs for it to access the device by. |
| 16:54.57 | keldwud | well I think you're at least on the right path. |
| 16:54.59 | frostyfrog | same thing happens in Linux. If I have a USB ethernet cable plugged in and I reboot, it could get the ID eth0, but if I unplug it and plug it back in, it could potentially get the ID eth1. |
| 16:55.49 | frostyfrog | is basing it off of their linux knowledge and the fact that windows has IDs for their serial devices, which can be annoying when programming radios. >_> |
| 16:56.11 | programmerq | SunSparc⸠am pretty sure based on your picture I know the right part of the sky to look in, but I couldn't see anything with my binoculars. |
| 16:56.21 | programmerq | but there seems to be even more cloud cover |
| 16:57.11 | SunSparc | programmerq: Yes, currently there is a patch of clouds right over the spot. I will see if it is still there later. |
| 16:57.22 | programmerq | k |
| 17:06.46 | frostyfrog | Oh, and programmerq. in relation to the camera image I'd posted. "West Mountain West". East is camera 2. |
| 17:08.42 | programmerq | but there's clearly a lake in the image, and there's no lake to the west of lake mountain? |
| 17:08.57 | frostyfrog | This is west mountatin |
| 17:09.11 | frostyfrog | South east a little of Utah lake |
| 17:09.36 | frostyfrog | I think it's technically in Spanish Fork |
| 17:14.40 | programmerq | ah, I missed that bit. :/ |
| 17:14.43 | keldwud | pronounced Spanish FARK |
| 17:14.50 | programmerq | lol |
| 17:15.09 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 18:14.31 | romanovic | Has anyone seen the new Star Trek yet? I'd give it a try but it's not available anywhere I have access. And I'm not paying for CBS All Access for it. |
| 18:15.09 | romanovic | It's available on Netflix! ...everywhere except in the US >:[ https://www.extremetech.com/internet/256401-star-trek-discovery-looks-like-pretty-good-show-bad-cant-watch |
| 18:15.59 | fungus | You can sign up for the free 1-week trial, watch the first two episodes now, watch the 3rd on Sunday and cancel before you pay anything. |
| 18:16.30 | fungus | Another idea is to wait until the season is over, and binge watch the whole thing during a free trial at that time. |
| 18:17.43 | fungus | IMHO, it's really good so far, and worth the money for the subscription. Hopes are high. |
| 18:20.37 | romanovic | I want it to be good. But at the same time, I want All Access to crash and burn. |
| 18:21.00 | romanovic | "Itâs the ultimate ironyâa show that imagines a post-scarcity future in which resources are available on demand and rampant laissez-faire capitalism is represented by an alien species most of the rest of the galaxy detests canât be watched in the country that created it because CBS thinks you should have to pay it $7-$10 per month for the privilege. One wonders if theyâll accept payment in gold-pressed latinum." |
| 18:22.09 | fungus | lol, true. But it's Trek, so it's mandatory. |
| 18:30.09 | frostyfrog | will have to watch it over their VPN connection on Netflix >_> |
| 18:30.20 | frostyfrog | It better be available in Japan. |
| 18:31.07 | frostyfrog | And netflix better have a crappy country lockout system >_> |
| 18:31.29 | frostyfrog | (and by that, I mean IP based) |
| 18:31.53 | fungus | I thought Netflix started blocking VPN services and such. |
| 18:35.44 | frostyfrog | doesn't use a typical VPN service. They host their own instead. |
| 18:38.11 | frostyfrog | Aha! |
| 18:38.28 | frostyfrog | I had to search for "Star trek" not "Startrek" |
| 18:39.52 | frostyfrog | It nice that they have a "Japanese TV Shows" and a "Japanese Movies" sections in Japan. Maybe I should start streaming through that link... |
| 18:48.00 | frostyfrog | ... I guess it only works for the listing? :/ |
| 18:50.02 | frostyfrog | bleh. I'll have to figure out how to get around this https://help.netflix.com/en/node/277 |
| 19:20.38 | fungus | Another option for ST:D, https://thepiratebay.org/top/205 |
| 19:20.53 | fungus | Free, but slightly shady. |
| 19:23.32 | keldwud | I love the philosophy outlined here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13567901 |
| 19:23.54 | keldwud | people always looked at me funny when I told them I didn't ever have anything special in my personal config files |
| 19:23.59 | keldwud | s/funny/sideways |
| 19:26.03 | fungus | That's why so many people use github to store and deploy "dotfiles" to their systems easily. |
| 19:26.31 | keldwud | on production servers? |
| 19:26.47 | keldwud | I never felt comfortable pulling my dotfiles onto prod servers |
| 19:27.26 | keldwud | although I think I failed an interview once because he asked me about my dotfiles and I told him I don't personalize my stuff so that I can easily function on any machine without them |
| 19:27.57 | keldwud | he felt I wasn't advanced enough since I didn't use them across environments |
| 19:28.45 | fungus | Why not? as long as your dotfiles are just user customization, there should be no problem on a prod server. |
| 19:29.24 | keldwud | because personally, I'd rather find a way to resolve the issue without having to even log in to the production machine. |
| 19:29.41 | keldwud | I prefer to minimize logins to prod |
| 19:30.09 | keldwud | it's probably just an eccentricity, though. hard to tell |
| 19:30.54 | fungus | No, that's not a bad thing. With most environments you should touch prod as little as possible. Let your deployment tools do the work. |
| 19:31.53 | keldwud | ok yeah, that's what my line of thought is. and if that's the case, I have less of a need for dotfiles |
| 19:33.08 | fungus | I agree that over-customization can cause problems, but some customization is very productive. |
| 19:33.26 | keldwud | yeah, I think I've just been too scared to take the plunge. |
| 19:33.38 | keldwud | worried that I'd forget how to do things the regular way |
| 19:33.42 | fungus | I switched to vim years ago for that very reason. Installing emacs on every machine I came across became too cumbersome. |
| 19:36.36 | fungus | Also the same reason I didn't switch to zsh over bash. zsh is the bomb, but it's not universal. |
| 19:38.01 | beelzebob | keldwud: I have felt similarly - although there are a few things in .vimrc that are mandatory |
| 19:39.16 | beelzebob | I'm not a tmux user, but I had to google around to do something in it the other day - it seemed every result began with "the first thing you need to do is remap all your keys" |
| 19:40.12 | beelzebob | I'm like, "that isn't going to help me much in this text based anaconda install, is it?" |
| 19:42.14 | beelzebob | searches for an analogy... |
| 19:44.14 | beelzebob | "you need to learn how to maximize mileage when driving a truck? The first thing you need to do is install a large capacity gas tank, then you can drive it just like a geo metro!" |
| 20:03.51 | keldwud | if I want to store my db data somewhere, would /srv be a correct place? or would somewhere in /var be more contextually appropriate? |
| 20:05.18 | programmerq | rolls a d20: 13 |
| 20:05.22 | programmerq | keldwud⸠/var |
| 20:05.29 | keldwud | boo |
| 20:05.40 | programmerq | most db systems do use /var |
| 20:05.51 | keldwud | they do? why var instead of srv? |
| 20:05.55 | programmerq | but it really doesn't matter |
| 20:06.05 | keldwud | yeah, it's all arbitrary anyway |
| 20:06.06 | programmerq | at this point, they do because they do |
| 20:06.12 | programmerq | /var/lib/mysql |
| 20:06.17 | programmerq | /var/lib is arguable a terrible place |
| 20:06.21 | keldwud | but I'm applying FHS 2.3 |
| 20:06.22 | programmerq | but that's been the default for *years* |
| 20:06.33 | keldwud | ok so people put it there because they always have |
| 20:06.45 | programmerq | because that's mysql's default |
| 20:06.57 | programmerq | actually |
| 20:07.00 | keldwud | so maybe srv might be more appropriate for me if I'm reading FHS 2.3 correctly |
| 20:07.16 | programmerq | now that I look at the entry in FHS, /var/lib is definitely correct: "State information. Persistent data modified by programs as they run, e.g., databases, packaging system metadata, etc." |
| 20:07.39 | keldwud | ahh, I skipped the /var/lib portion |
| 20:07.41 | programmerq | /var/lib/postgres, /var/lib/mysql, /var/lib/docker are the major state locations I tend to deal with. |
| 20:07.47 | keldwud | and was just comparing /var vs /srv plain |
| 20:09.46 | programmerq | ð |
| 20:09.53 | fungus | according to FHS, /srv is for site-specific data, and /var is for host specific data |
| 20:10.16 | programmerq | just forget FHS and run gobolinux instead. |
| 20:10.23 | fungus | so /srv could be easily shared across systems in a site. |
| 20:28.22 | frostyfrog | RE: dotfiles. My uh... dotfiles install my PC for me >_> |
| 20:28.55 | frostyfrog | Though I guess it doesn't count because it doesn't start with a dot, but still. It's in my dot files repo. |
| 21:14.12 | keldwud | fungus: ok so that makes more sense |
| 21:15.00 | keldwud | frostyfrog: you mean like your autoexec.bat and config.sys? :) |
| 21:16.15 | frostyfrog | keldwud: Specifically https://github.com/frostyfrog/dotfiles/blob/master/fresharch that. It's a script that I wrote to install my Arch machines for me. |
| 21:16.26 | keldwud | jlp_znc: how would you compare lumberjack and watchdog to prometheus? |
| 21:21.10 | programmerq | SunSparc⸠is that thing still there? |
| 21:36.02 | TodPunk | fungus: (reffering to custom configs) this is my beef with text editor wars in the first place. Everyone argues "vim vs emacs" or whatever, but essentially nobody even uses the same "vim" or "emacs" as anyone else, and the defaults are actually pretty sucky (which is why people customize them). |
| 21:36.57 | TodPunk | I had to share a lot of servers with other admins, so we never could get our own personal vimrc or whatever on every server without great infrastructural effort which was never worth it, so that was never a path I took. It's been much benefit to me to know stock vim and stick with it |
| 21:47.21 | keldwud | TodPunk: I'm of the same philosophy, for sure. The first few statements in the link I shared earlier really resonated with me because it was along those same lines. But I get that dotfiles can be portable too, I've just been more comfortable with tools as they are out of the box. |
| 21:48.11 | TodPunk | I think dotfiles being portable is a great thing for some scenarios, yeah. |
| 21:49.13 | frostyfrog | is fine with using stock vim (but not vi, oh why oh why do they still ship it?!) and only really cares about customizing vim in their dev environment, turning it into something like an IDE. |
| 22:01.06 | keldwud | I'm ok with vi :-p |
| 22:01.27 | keldwud | mostly because it was stock in a lot of systems so I kinda just forced myself to get used to it |
| 22:02.25 | frostyfrog | it's missing sooooo much compared to vim ;-; |
| 22:03.24 | frostyfrog | such as when you do "cw" and it keeps the word on screen and replaces the last character with a $ |
| 22:03.37 | frostyfrog | instead of removing the word |
| 22:04.28 | frostyfrog | and a few other things that I use on a daily basis IIRC |
| 22:35.31 | levi | TodPunk: I use specialized emacs configs, but stock vi/vim/elvis/whatever. |
| 23:00.54 | SunSparc | programmerq: I have lost sight of it and now the sun is in the part of the sky. Makes it hard to look, plus there is still a bit of cloud cover. Perhaps I will see it again tomorrow. |
| 23:04.00 | programmerq | bummer |
