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| 14:47.41 | manithree | my sentiments exactly: http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/05/utah-nurses-abuse-by-police-detective-go |
| 14:48.18 | manithree | Oops, wrong one: http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/01/every-cop-involved-in-the-arrest-of-this |
| 15:24.21 | spangborn_ | manithree: YUP |
| 15:24.47 | spangborn_ | It wouldn't surprise me if the U offers Wubbels a settlement to keep her from suing the U Police Dept |
| 15:28.10 | unum | I thought it was the salt lake policy department |
| 15:29.32 | TodPunk | it was |
| 15:29.41 | TodPunk | the U Police Dept just kind of stood by |
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| 15:36.13 | spangborn_ | So they didn't do an adequate job of protecting their employees |
| 15:36.28 | spangborn_ | or patients for that matter |
| 15:42.21 | programmerq | yeah, she actually called them because the officer that ended up arresting her was super agitated the moment he walked in the door, and then they just stood around. |
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| 15:43.24 | spangborn_ | The press conference that the U held had the UofU police chief talk at it, and you could tell he knew they screwed up |
| 15:44.26 | programmerq | yeah |
| 15:46.10 | unum | aaah |
| 15:48.15 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 15:48.16 | frostyfrog | Wow |
| 15:49.20 | manithree | I'd still put money on Payne keeping his job |
| 15:53.09 | spangborn_ | He already lost one though :) |
| 15:53.23 | spangborn_ | But that's because what he threatened to do with bringing certain patients to certain hospitals is illegal |
| 15:53.41 | spangborn_ | And arguably opens up Gold Cross for lawsuits on any patient he's transported |
| 15:53.54 | spangborn_ | They call it "patient steering" |
| 15:56.34 | frostyfrog | :o |
| 15:57.29 | frostyfrog | I'm a little surprised that she didn't come back with "Not would I be breaking out policy, but I'd also be breaking a federal law" |
| 15:58.08 | frostyfrog | Because I could've sworn that HIPPA was a law on the federal level. >_> |
| 15:58.37 | spangborn_ | I'm not sure HIPAA actually applies there |
| 15:58.50 | spangborn_ | Because HIPAA is in more regard to patient data |
| 15:59.10 | frostyfrog | Isn't blood technically patient data? |
| 15:59.10 | spangborn_ | Where as his blood would be his property |
| 15:59.58 | frostyfrog | But yeah, that's true. However, they were also asking about medications administered (at least, it sounded like they did once) |
| 16:00.03 | spangborn_ | "Under the Privacy Rule, neither blood nor tissue, in and of itself, is considered individually identifiable health information" |
| 16:00.09 | spangborn_ | https://privacyruleandresearch.nih.gov/research_repositories.asp |
| 16:00.22 | frostyfrog | Oh :( |
| 16:00.31 | youtah | privacy suppositories?!?!?! |
| 16:00.37 | youtah | oh, nm, read that link wrong |
| 16:00.48 | spangborn_ | But it's still illegal to take it without consent, it's just a different law |
| 16:01.01 | youtah | did you see this though spangborn_? |
| 16:01.04 | youtah | gets link |
| 16:01.28 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/libertasutah/photos/a.436806356353027.105747.309541989079465/1613944125305905/?type=3&theater |
| 16:01.40 | youtah | But Utah law says that "A person operating a motor vehicle in this state is considered to have given the person's consent to a chemical test or tests of the person's breath, blood, urine, or oral fluidsâ¦" |
| 16:02.04 | youtah | Connor wants to change that law |
| 16:02.19 | youtah | and I think it needs to be changed |
| 16:02.52 | youtah | if the officer truly has reasonable suspicion, then they should have no difficulty obtaining a warrant. |
| 16:03.08 | youtah | Thus, I agree, and think the law needs to be altered. |
| 16:03.36 | youtah | https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title41/Chapter6A/41-6a-S520.html?v=C41-6a-S520_1800010118000101 <<< there's the law |
| 16:04.44 | youtah | The tricky part with that however, is that, they will need to get a warrant for every suspected drunk driving case |
| 16:06.21 | youtah | and they can't wait around. Even hours later can drastically alter results and you don't know how fast/slow someone metabolizes alcohol. So you can't really, accurately, calculate what you _think_ their BAC level was. |
| 16:06.49 | spangborn_ | But he wasn't operating a vehicle when they wanted the sample :) |
| 16:07.00 | spangborn_ | But yes, you can get a warrant in less than 30 minutes |
| 16:07.12 | youtah | "whether the person was operating or in actual physical control of a motor vehicle while" |
| 16:07.25 | youtah | was being the operative word |
| 16:07.36 | youtah | he was operating |
| 16:08.00 | youtah | the other scary part about that is... how long until the "was" expires? |
| 16:08.15 | youtah | Can they test me 24 hours later after driving my car? 3 hours? 20 minutes? |
| 16:08.20 | youtah | it doesn't specify |
| 16:09.10 | youtah | well, not that I could find at least |
| 16:09.39 | spangborn_ | youtah: That law was struck down in 2008 |
| 16:09.47 | spangborn_ | Implied consent isn't on the books anymore |
| 16:10.09 | youtah | That was a different law |
| 16:10.14 | frostyfrog | 48 hours? ;p |
| 16:10.21 | spangborn_ | That's literally the law you're talking about |
| 16:10.24 | spangborn_ | Implied consent |
| 16:10.27 | youtah | there are two different regulations |
| 16:10.33 | youtah | and I think it was 2006, not 2008 |
| 16:10.34 | spangborn_ | Yes, and they're both the same concept |
| 16:10.46 | youtah | and the federal implied consent was shot down in 2016 |
| 16:11.28 | youtah | but yes, they should have no issue modifying section 520 because of the 2006/2008 (can't remember now) ruling.\ |
| 16:11.58 | youtah | Also note that 520 became effective as of 5/9/2017 |
| 16:12.27 | youtah | So, in my opinion, Section 520 is an illegal and unconstitutional law |
| 16:12.59 | youtah | gives a disclaimer that he is not a lawyer... and doesn't even pretend to play one on TV |
| 16:13.44 | frostyfrog | So you ARE one on TV |
| 16:13.47 | frostyfrog | jokes. |
| 16:13.49 | youtah | lol |
| 16:13.52 | youtah | anywho |
| 16:13.54 | spangborn_ | Can confirm |
| 16:13.55 | youtah | goes back to work |
| 16:13.57 | spangborn_ | I've seen youtah on TV before |
| 16:14.04 | spangborn_ | I think he was on Matlock |
| 16:14.22 | youtah | hey, they told me what happens in Cancun stays in Cancun |
| 16:14.25 | youtah | apparently not |
| 16:14.40 | frostyfrog | As far as laws and lawyers go. My general rule of thumb is, attack the law anyway you can, and maybe a lawyer will find that whole too. |
| 16:14.43 | youtah | regrets the things he did for a free t-shirt |
| 16:15.25 | frostyfrog | Someone in Barbuda says that they're fine and there was no structural damage \o/ |
| 16:15.40 | frostyfrog | (okay, near Barbuda) |
| 16:19.19 | frostyfrog | "Just a few branches from the trees that have broken off" |
| 16:19.36 | frostyfrog | Man, that hurricane is weaksauce. :p |
| 16:22.20 | manithree | http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/supreme_court_says_warrantless_blood_tests_incident_to_drunken_driving_arre/ |
| 16:23.33 | spangborn_ | I had to do a breathalizer test once |
| 16:23.36 | spangborn_ | (Thanks, UHP) |
| 16:23.50 | spangborn_ | I got pulled over on a Friday night at about 10PM for an "improper signal" |
| 16:24.01 | spangborn_ | I didn't wait 3 seconds, apparently |
| 16:24.20 | spangborn_ | and the officer was fishing for DUIs, and thus asked if I had anything to drink, which I had (one beer) |
| 16:24.35 | spangborn_ | He didn't believe my "one beer" story, and made me do field sobriety tests that I passed |
| 16:24.45 | spangborn_ | Got frustrated, busted out breathalyzer and made me blow it |
| 16:25.11 | spangborn_ | After I blew well under the legal limit, he got pissed, handed me the straw and said "Keep this as a souvenir. Have a good night" |
| 16:31.39 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 16:46.13 | programmerq | Four years ago, when we were moving into our house, it was labor day weekend and I was driving back and forth on Pioneer Crossing. The police had a sobriety checkpoint set up there. It felt weird when I was drinking my In-n-Out milkshake and the officer asked "Have you had anything to drink tonight?" I just pointed my shake and said " just my strawberry shake" |
| 16:46.27 | programmerq | The officer restated his question - "Have you had anything alcoholic to drink?" |
| 16:51.44 | spangborn_ | lol |
| 16:57.28 | youtah | referencing manithree's link... |
| 16:57.43 | youtah | so it looks like that the law IS unconstitutional as per that ruling |
| 16:57.50 | youtah | Should be easy to change it |
| 16:58.29 | youtah | spangborn_ .... he gave you a straw?!?! |
| 16:58.44 | spangborn_ | lol yes, the straw that goes in the breathalzyer |
| 16:58.48 | youtah | Oh, ha ha |
| 16:59.02 | spangborn_ | He was unhappy about not being able to get a DUI arrest |
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| 17:22.24 | aeryndunham | well this is a fun day in the office |
| 18:09.42 | youtah | uh oh |
| 18:24.06 | shalkie | A couple times when I was in California I ventured from the hotel for some food and passed checkpoints on the otherside of the road. Decided I would take a different route home. |
| 18:24.17 | shalkie | s/home/to the hotel/ |
| 18:25.50 | shalkie | Last time I got pulled over in Ogden it was after an OALUG meeting and I had a headlight out. About the second question out of the UHP officer was "Have you been drinking tonight?" |
| 18:28.03 | shalkie | And field sobriety tests are questionable to begin with. |
| 18:39.52 | spangborn_ | https://www.reddit.com/r/SaltLakeCity/comments/6yc0hr/nurse_wubbles_released_her_arrest_video_because_u/ |
| 18:39.53 | spangborn_ | Well then |
| 19:32.04 | Migs | https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B075DYXZW1 |
| 19:33.04 | spangborn_ | lol |
| 19:33.05 | manithree | FVWM on a server? X on a server? Srsly? |
| 20:00.52 | manithree | The Mayor's FAQ http://www.slcmayor.com/umed-faq is pretty interesting on this one: "Why doesnât the Mayor and/or Chief Brown fire the police officers involved?" |
| 20:03.51 | spangborn_ | I think that shows that the police union has a biiiit too much power |
| 20:05.01 | spangborn_ | Public trust in the "internal investigations" by police is pretty much shot |
| 20:05.46 | spangborn_ | "This includes changing internal practices and reporting procedures, which kept the Mayor from becoming immediately involved." |
| 20:05.51 | spangborn_ | This sounds like a bit of an excuse |
| 20:15.47 | spangborn_ | "Mayor Biskupski, Chief Mike Brown, and the SLCPD policy management team continues to work closely with the hospital staff, and health care professionals on improved policies and training." |
| 20:15.52 | spangborn_ | Nice grammatical error there |
| 20:20.44 | youtah | 10 more minutes and I can have more ibuprofen |
| 20:21.19 | youtah | can't come soon enough |
| 20:47.00 | aeryndunham | dang, looks like this is going to end up being a 2-day work week. RIP my paycheck :p |
| 20:48.29 | spangborn_ | what why |
| 20:48.48 | aeryndunham | Carnival closed the rest of the week |
| 20:48.52 | aeryndunham | lives in Miami |
| 20:48.58 | spangborn_ | ohhhhh |
| 20:53.38 | youtah | aeryndunham, my wife is from Miami! |
| 20:53.58 | youtah | Palmetto Bay and Coral Gables to be specific |
| 20:54.13 | aeryndunham | ah, Iâm not too far from Coral Gables |
| 20:54.15 | aeryndunham | I live in Doral |
| 20:54.19 | youtah | Ah, very nice |
| 20:54.29 | youtah | Matheson Hammock is one of my favorite spots in the world |
| 20:54.41 | aeryndunham | Iâm not 100% sure how worried I should be right now |
| 20:55.00 | youtah | get lots and lots of water bottles |
| 20:55.05 | aeryndunham | there arenât any |
| 20:55.11 | youtah | Hmmm |
| 20:55.19 | youtah | you have a shelter at your place? |
| 20:55.24 | aeryndunham | my current plan is use all the empty bottles at my apartment I meant to recycle and fill them |
| 20:55.45 | aeryndunham | I mean I wasnât planning on going anywhere, Iâm relatively inland for Miami, and I live in a very new building |
| 20:56.09 | aeryndunham | Chris flies in tomorrow night, hopefully (he was scheduled for Sunday) |
| 20:56.41 | aeryndunham | Iâll feel better not being here alone |
| 20:56.44 | youtah | She lived just north of Homestead when Andrew hit |
| 20:56.51 | aeryndunham | but I canât drive and there are no flights,so... |
| 20:57.01 | youtah | and her sister lives in Houston (Katy specifically) when Harvey hit |
| 20:57.29 | youtah | and the rest of her family still lives in the Palmetto Bay area |
| 20:57.42 | youtah | Her family can't catch a break |
| 20:58.13 | aeryndunham | :( |
| 20:58.20 | youtah | I am sure you'll be fine |
| 20:58.43 | youtah | it will most likely weaken overland on Cuba and most projections showing it going straight up th everglades |
| 20:58.50 | youtah | in the center, towards Orlando |
| 20:58.57 | youtah | you'll get slammed with rain though |
| 20:59.34 | aeryndunham | worst-case scenarios, we either jump in chrisâs car when he gets in late tomorrow night, or the building we work in (2 mins down the road) is ex-military so one of the most secure buidings in south florida |
| 21:00.31 | aeryndunham | Iâm running on assumption airport will still be open tomorrow night |
| 21:00.35 | aeryndunham | I really think it will be |
| 21:01.35 | youtah | I dont think people realize how... um... little land there is in Miami |
| 21:01.36 | spangborn_ | youtah: I know several folks in Katy |
| 21:01.38 | spangborn_ | Some were alright |
| 21:01.45 | youtah | that is what they said too spangborn_ |
| 21:01.47 | spangborn_ | Lots of water though |
| 21:01.56 | youtah | my Sis in law's house was just fine, and higher elevation |
| 21:01.59 | aeryndunham | yeah Iâm prepared for lots of rain |
| 21:02.15 | spangborn_ | Just imagine you're on vacation in Seattle |
| 21:02.16 | aeryndunham | but I donât think Iâll be in worrying wind-related danger where I am |
| 21:02.16 | youtah | but 100 yards down the street, they said that the homes are in 6-8 feet of water |
| 21:02.41 | youtah | yeah, you're in the rain bands portion of the storm |
| 21:02.54 | aeryndunham | I live on the 6th floor so even if my building floods I really shouldn't |
| 21:03.15 | spangborn_ | aeryndunham: Do you have an inflatable mattress? |
| 21:03.17 | youtah | oh, btw, Coconut Grove is one of my other favorite places to visit |
| 21:03.22 | spangborn_ | You could use it as a raft |
| 21:03.22 | aeryndunham | heh, no |
| 21:03.30 | youtah | spangborn_, I was literally just typing the same thing |
| 21:03.35 | spangborn_ | lol |
| 21:03.43 | aeryndunham | if my 6th foor apartment is flooded itâs the dang end of the world haha |
| 21:04.15 | youtah | aeryndunham, have you ever been to The Falls? |
| 21:04.56 | aeryndunham | nope |
| 21:05.09 | youtah | have you heard of it? |
| 21:05.11 | romanovic | is familiar with the above-mentioned locations in Florida only through episodes of Burn Notice and Dexter |
| 21:05.20 | youtah | The Falls shopping mall that is |
| 21:05.28 | youtah | lol romanovic |
| 21:05.43 | youtah | So my wife, used to work at Johnny Rockets at The Falls location |
| 21:05.50 | aeryndunham | so Carnival offices are closed tomorrow but I donât technically work IN the Carnival office, and my boss just said he plans to be here tomorrow... |
| 21:05.57 | aeryndunham | so I dunno whatâs goig on |
| 21:06.15 | youtah | OJ Simpson (during the whole trial fiasco) used to come into Johnny Rockets and request that my wife serve him personally |
| 21:06.29 | aeryndunham | yikes |
| 21:06.43 | youtah | it wasn't until another co-worker pointed out to the manager that my wife, at the time, looked just like Nicole |
| 21:06.57 | youtah | the next time he came in and demanded that she wait on him, they declined |
| 21:07.38 | youtah | it started to escalate quickly until the manager threatened to call the cops, so OJ left |
| 21:10.01 | youtah | anyway, fun, Miami related story for ya aeryndunham |
| 21:10.13 | spangborn_ | bienvenido a miami |
| 21:10.14 | aeryndunham | thatâs quite the story |
| 21:12.31 | youtah | has will smith in his head now... thanks spangborn_ |
| 21:13.05 | frostyfrog | Ohey aeryndunham :) |
| 21:13.10 | aeryndunham | ohey |
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| 21:14.15 | frostyfrog | https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/quicklook/view.html?name=IRMA There ya go. Current predictions :) |
| 21:14.28 | aeryndunham | is checking them pretty obsessively |
| 21:14.55 | youtah | AH, frostyfrog it has changed from yesterday! |
| 21:14.59 | frostyfrog | I've been listening to the radio chatter in the carribean |
| 21:15.05 | frostyfrog | youtah: Yup! |
| 21:15.05 | youtah | It had it going straight up the center yesterday |
| 21:15.21 | frostyfrog | And it said it'd be going faster. |
| 21:15.29 | frostyfrog | It looks like it slowed down a little. |
| 21:15.41 | aeryndunham | it does seem to have slowed down, which is good, chris isnât home yet |
| 21:15.52 | youtah | my BIL is named Christ |
| 21:15.54 | youtah | Chris |
| 21:16.11 | youtah | wonders the probability of it being the same Chris |
| 21:16.21 | aeryndunham | pretty unlikely |
| 21:16.26 | youtah | lol |
| 21:16.43 | youtah | so_youre_saying_theres_a_chance.gif |
| 21:16.46 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 21:17.01 | spangborn_ | youtah: Wait you're related by marriage to Jesus? |
| 21:17.08 | frostyfrog | youtah: Phil, Kevin, Loren, and I are all monitoring the Hurricane net down in the carribean. |
| 21:19.21 | aeryndunham | I was watching webcams from St Maarten. Yikes. |
| 21:19.56 | youtah | spangborn_ yes. |
| 21:31.58 | youtah | We need to get aeryndunham a chainsaw |
| 21:32.07 | youtah | incase this turns into Gaternado |
| 21:32.11 | youtah | instead of Sharknado |
| 21:32.16 | aeryndunham | oh my |
| 21:39.21 | romanovic | is stuck in the middle of a long branch rebase with conflicts seemingly on every commit. "where am I... how many commits left... what day is it" |
| 21:45.31 | frostyfrog | It's Sunday. |
| 21:46.01 | frostyfrog | Though it might be best if I give a better reference, because it sounds like you're in deep. |
| 21:46.20 | frostyfrog | The month is April and the year is 2047. |
| 21:50.15 | aeryndunham | yeesh, looks like barbuda got basically desrtoyed |
| 21:50.20 | aeryndunham | I mean only 1600 people live there |
| 21:50.22 | aeryndunham | but still |
| 21:53.54 | frostyfrog | Hey youtah, do you know if the IRC gateway will be enabled for slack? |
| 23:20.52 | klys | ~slashdot |
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