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| 17:52.25 | programmerq | https://voice.mozilla.org/ - if anyone can contribute even a little bit here, that would be fantastic. This is a project to create a creative commons voice language model to make voice recognition work better outside of commercial software only |
| 17:53.13 | programmerq | I am highly dependent on voice recognition. My whole ability to work is 100%dependent on Dragon, which crashes all the time and is very expensive. There really are no open source language models out there that are an acceptable replacement. |
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| 18:42.42 | frostyfrog | ... Now you've peaked my interest in the why >_> dangit. |
| 18:55.53 | spangborn | why what? |
| 18:57.28 | frostyfrog | Why they're dependent on voice recognition. |
| 18:58.04 | spangborn | I believe programmerq had/has(?) an RSI |
| 18:58.16 | spangborn | If I'm recalling conversations correctly |
| 18:58.40 | spangborn | Increased accessibility in software is always a good thing, that being said |
| 18:58.59 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 19:01.09 | spangborn | STT is especially interesting when you start taking accents into account |
| 19:01.29 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 19:02.36 | TodPunk | programmerq: my experience with VoIP and voice recognition is that over the years there have been marginal improvements, the largest of which are owned by Google, and even those are really, really crappy. That's not even covering the nuances of training, lexicon sizes, etc. I don't see you getting out of Dragon anytime soon. |
| 19:03.41 | TodPunk | The research stuff that's been done is really interesting, but Google relies on machine learning to do theirs as accurately as it is (and again I can't stress how much it still sucks for real-world) |
| 19:05.05 | frostyfrog | It's still a lot better than Apple's Siri, from my experience. |
| 19:05.08 | TodPunk | All that said, this is an interesting attempt and I hope it brings us closer to solving the problem |
| 19:05.16 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: measurably so |
| 19:05.26 | TodPunk | like, they have done the comparisons |
| 19:06.22 | jima | enh, i wouldn't say there have only been marginal improvements in voice recognition...i would say that solid voice recog is a somewhat niche market. |
| 19:08.26 | spangborn | Siri has difficulty discerning context |
| 19:08.30 | programmerq | frostyfrog⸠I have RSI |
| 19:08.35 | programmerq | the only good recognition these days is owned by companies |
| 19:08.39 | spangborn | I'd say that's probably where the most difficult area is |
| 19:08.46 | programmerq | hence, why I would like to see as many people support this creative commons effort to create a good language model |
| 19:08.53 | jima | programmerq: that statement i would agree with |
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| 19:09.19 | jima | i suspect there's a lot of money wrapped up in that good voice recognition. |
| 19:09.56 | programmerq | the voice software I have takes recognized phrases from Dragon, and then processes the result. I have a couple hundred commands but I work with to get full control over text formatting and application management and other stuff |
| 19:10.28 | spangborn | I'd be curious to see how well that works |
| 19:10.50 | programmerq | We can't use the Google api because it does not properly handle the non-english commands. For example, ðice teekð becomes "iced tea" |
| 19:11.10 | programmerq | honestly, I have been meaning to show it off as of lightning talk at LDUG |
| 19:11.22 | spangborn | I'd drive down to watch that :) |
| 19:11.26 | programmerq | s/of /a / |
| 19:11.53 | programmerq | actually, when is the next one? |
| 19:12.03 | programmerq | I might actually be in town this month |
| 19:14.26 | frostyfrog | Hey, If you're doing it, I think I'll get my but in gear and attend one again >_> |
| 19:18.26 | programmerq | oh no, it looks like the last one was yesterday |
| 19:18.42 | programmerq | but there is something coming up on the 23rd |
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| 19:59.46 | RyanE | I agree. I'd be interested in seeing that. |
| 20:21.27 | programmerq | it looks like this 23rd is a project night. I don't know if that's something that has the format that could facilitate a lightning talk, but i'd be more than happy to do that |
| 20:21.43 | spangborn | If it happens, just let us know in here. I'd love to see a talk on it |
| 20:21.58 | spangborn | I've never been to any of these events, but I'd go to one to see you talk |
| 21:03.50 | TodPunk | programmerq: there's 2 a month and yeah, we do lightning talks whenever |
| 21:04.45 | TodPunk | Just pick a night, give me a title/description to work with and I'll put you in. If you want more than 20 minutes, just pick one of the 2nd Wednesday ones. |
| 21:04.59 | TodPunk | 4th Wednesdays are hack nights so yeah |
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| 22:18.26 | aeryndunham | i've only cried at work once this week so far, that's progress, right? |
| 22:18.29 | aeryndunham | :/ |
| 22:30.47 | romanovic | sure? at least it's not customers badgering you anymore, right? |
| 22:31.58 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 22:33.00 | aeryndunham | I think that I'm really just having trouble switching from ship job to office job. On ships the exact duties of your job and what is expected of you are articulated to you so clearly, like... line by line through a multi-page document with your supervisor, and then BOOM off you go, the job is the same on day 1 as it is when you leave 6 months later |
| 22:33.28 | aeryndunham | and then when things need to get done onboard, they just GET DONE. there isn't 7 layers of red tape and office politics to work through first |
| 22:33.47 | aeryndunham | so I guess I just completely had no idea that offices on land are such a chaotic mess |
| 22:34.00 | programmerq | they certainly can be. It's definitely a range. |
| 22:34.30 | programmerq | part of learning any new job is learning what is expected of you. I just switched over to a new position at the beginning of July, and i'm going through all the "new job" stuff even though i've been at the company for a long time. |
| 22:34.30 | aeryndunham | I used to think it was stupid on the ship but now I would love for someone to sit me down and read me my role description |
| 22:34.33 | aeryndunham | and tell me what they want |
| 22:34.49 | programmerq | the way I deal with that is I ask lots of people lots of questions |
| 22:35.19 | aeryndunham | and then here where you've got half a dozen plus companies all working on the same project you can ask the same question to 3 people and get 3 wildly different answers |
| 22:35.22 | aeryndunham | which is fun |
| 22:35.27 | programmerq | yep |
| 22:35.46 | programmerq | at the end of the day, your immediate supervisor will be the person's answer who matters the most |
| 22:36.07 | aeryndunham | yeah except he doesn't really talk to me |
| 22:36.15 | aeryndunham | and my badge doesn't open the door to where his cubicle is |
| 22:36.24 | programmerq | you can say something like "I asked xyz to these different people, and I got different answers. Which 1 is correct?" |
| 22:36.35 | aeryndunham | the thing is, he doesn't know |
| 22:36.37 | programmerq | do you have chat or e-mail? |
| 22:36.41 | aeryndunham | he has sent me to find out |
| 22:36.54 | programmerq | while |
| 22:36.59 | programmerq | wow* |
| 22:37.00 | aeryndunham | I've been using my personal email still, which is not ideal. no company email or slack yet, so it's hard to communicate unless I go find them |
| 22:37.32 | programmerq | wow. That is really bad. |
| 22:37.34 | aeryndunham | and then like... these are business people sending me to ask questions of the technical people and they just do not speak the same language |
| 22:37.52 | aeryndunham | and I'm pretty technical so I do my best |
| 22:38.10 | aeryndunham | but oftentimes the business side is just aksing the wrong questions so the tech people are like O.o |
| 22:38.13 | programmerq | if you can figure out how to properly translate business and technical speaks, you will have a very valuable skill in this field |
| 22:38.19 | programmerq | yup |
| 22:38.33 | programmerq | if you can talk to the business people and find out what their real questions are, then you will be a god |
| 22:39.09 | aeryndunham | the highlight of my day was when someone who is I think an electical engineer working on some sensors that do... something... stood up and asked if anyone in the room could help him set up an Ubuntu VM |
| 22:39.25 | aeryndunham | I was like YES HELLO FRIEND I AM HERE FOR YOU |
| 22:39.51 | programmerq | how long have you been at the company that they still don't have you set up on e-mail? |
| 22:40.02 | aeryndunham | and I have found a few very nice people who are good at at least pointing you in the right direction re: who to talk to |
| 22:40.06 | aeryndunham | uhhhh 8 days? |
| 22:40.17 | programmerq | that's not the worst i've heard. What's the expected turnaround time? |
| 22:40.28 | aeryndunham | they were hoping today so fingers crossed for tomorrow then |
| 22:40.51 | aeryndunham | of course the whole building is a ghost town on Fridays because sooooo many contractors are not local and travel home for weekends |
| 22:40.54 | aeryndunham | so we'll see |
| 22:41.18 | programmerq | another thing that you can do to help is take notes. That way, if someone gets after you for not meeting expectations, you can refer back to your notes and show otherwise. |
| 22:41.55 | aeryndunham | I take lots of notes |
| 22:42.00 | programmerq | perfect |
| 22:42.11 | aeryndunham | I've learned that being a girl I am basically expected to take everyone's notes on freaking everything :/ |
| 22:42.14 | aeryndunham | but they are often helpful |
| 22:42.54 | aeryndunham | yesterday there was this really important meeting I could only be at for 30 mins and I was asked to take notes and I said that maybe he'd want someone else to take over after I left |
| 22:42.55 | programmerq | oh, don't take notes *for* people other than yourself. |
| 22:43.00 | aeryndunham | and he looked at me like I was crazy |
| 22:43.04 | aeryndunham | like GOD FORBID A MAN TAKE NOTES |
| 22:43.16 | aeryndunham | it was one of those meetings where I was the only girl in the room |
| 22:43.22 | jlp_znc | that's because men have terrible handwriting :-) |
| 22:45.13 | aeryndunham | i still hope that I can leverage the fact that I'm the only project coordinator who has actuallly worked on a ship AND I'm far and away the most technical |
| 22:45.53 | programmerq | working in big organizations is most definitely frustrating. That part won't go away, but you can learn some tactics to deal with the craziness. |
| 22:49.26 | aeryndunham | i feel like I'm in so over my head |
| 22:49.51 | aeryndunham | but at the same time, this is an entry-level job so the fact that I feel in over my head makes me feel like an idiot |
| 22:54.04 | programmerq | I feel the same way when I start a new job too. It should go away after several weeks. |