| 00:51.18 | jima | my brain went to User Mode Linux |
| 00:51.20 | jima | :-\ |
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| 14:16.55 | frostyfrog | jlp_znc: Thanks for the link! I've only seen the GIF version (up to the tie throwing bit). I'll have to give the rest of the movie a watch :) |
| 14:18.16 | frostyfrog | fadein: That lines up with here. About the only think I like about doing the UML stuff, is that you have a diagram of your class to look at. I really wish that I could just write a tool to create diagrams from code, because I don't write UML diagrams >_> |
| 14:33.03 | frostyfrog | Morning |
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| 15:56.18 | jlp_znc | frostyfrog: it's really a good movie. being made in 1926, it's a silent film, and it is interesting to see the technology in action. I especially noted the expressions on the actor's faces, and the use of makeup to highlight certain features. you'll see what I mean when you watch it. |
| 15:56.43 | frostyfrog | nods |
| 15:57.17 | youtah | eightyeight, from what i am reading the signals protocol uses an asymetrical key system, correct? |
| 15:59.11 | eightyeight | youtah: it's a hydrid cryptosystem |
| 15:59.30 | youtah | it is interesting that it just "generates" the keys |
| 15:59.34 | eightyeight | youtah: the asymmetric keys just per device, and are used to encrypt/decrypt symmetric keys |
| 15:59.38 | youtah | and doesn't let you enter a passphrase at generation time |
| 15:59.45 | eightyeight | the symmetric keys are the ones that are responsible for encrypting the messages |
| 15:59.50 | youtah | Ahhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:00.05 | youtah | that all makes sense now |
| 16:00.07 | eightyeight | every message is encrypted with a new symmetric key |
| 16:00.17 | eightyeight | and no symmetric key is related to the other |
| 16:00.20 | eightyeight | thus, forward secret |
| 16:00.34 | youtah | he he, this is freaking cool |
| 16:00.44 | eightyeight | IE: if a key is intercepted, it is only good for decrypting the current message. it won't decrypt any past or future messages |
| 16:00.55 | youtah | I am seriously in love with the SMS messaging integration portion of the Android app |
| 16:01.14 | youtah | so once it is destroyed, it is destroyed forever |
| 16:01.36 | eightyeight | the symmetric key? |
| 16:01.49 | youtah | yes |
| 16:02.12 | eightyeight | yeah. it's really just an ephemeral random number that's 256-bits in size |
| 16:02.52 | eightyeight | in all honesty, it's nothing special that ECDHE isn't already doing with your TLS sessions |
| 16:03.10 | eightyeight | it's just 2-step, where OTR is 3-step, and TLS is ... more steps |
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| 16:06.39 | eightyeight | and, if you like signal for mobile, you should checkout cryptocat for desktop |
| 16:07.23 | eightyeight | it's also 2-step (known as "double ratchet"), using the new OMEMO standard |
| 16:07.43 | spangborn_ | The history of the cryptocat name entertains me greatly |
| 16:09.57 | eightyeight | it had a rough start with its RNG. to be fair, nadim didn't really know crypto like he does now. |
| 16:10.54 | eightyeight | then again, salt had a rough start when they set e=1 for RSA |
| 16:10.57 | spangborn_ | Oh I just mean with the name being formerly owned by the NSA |
| 16:11.03 | spangborn_ | Just a bit of irony there |
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| 16:11.55 | eightyeight | ah. heh. |
| 16:12.16 | aeryndunham | so, programmerq, we are having a bit of a docker-related issue here :p |
| 16:13.30 | aeryndunham | apparently the Caribbean Princess wants to start setting something up, but they currently have an out of date version running. They need it updated. I imaaaagine we are running Enterprise Edition? I mean if it was CE it should take someone 10 seconds to upgrade, but I think the issue is that we are running EE and therefore need some kind of subscription information and NOBODY KNOWS WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THIS :p |
| 16:21.06 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠you can figure out what version you are running by running 'docker version' |
| 16:21.24 | programmerq | if it has "ee" in the version string instead of "ce", then you're running enterprise edition. |
| 16:52.18 | aeryndunham | I have no access to any of that, but Iâm going to talk to someone today who might |
| 16:58.59 | youtah | Somewhere, they should name an elementary school Harvard. Then a middle school in the same district/zone Stanford, and then a high school called Yale. |
| 16:59.20 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 16:59.34 | youtah | So where'd you go to school? "Oh, well, in my early days I went to Harvard, then stanford and graduated from Yale." |
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| 17:10.07 | aeryndunham | so Iâm almost enjoying work today |
| 17:10.14 | aeryndunham | Iâve actually got stuff to do |
| 17:19.35 | aeryndunham | ugh; someone is here from Princess IT and sheâs killing herself telling us that âdocker not an approved Princess piece of software and we therefore cannot put it on our ships repositoriesâ and us telling her âwell, EVERYTHING is now running on it, soâ¦. get it approved?â is not going anywhere |
| 17:20.19 | aeryndunham | I guess Iâm naive in that I donât understand why downloading something from the RHEL repositories is such a security risk |
| 17:39.18 | jima | aeryndunham: i can kind of see the point for EPEL, but not RHEL proper |
| 17:39.35 | jima | (although i can assure you that there are packages in RHEL proper that started out in EPEL) |
| 17:39.59 | jima | (if you want an example, check the changelog for dnsmasq ;-) ) |
| 17:41.30 | jlp_znc | when I was at Raytheon, we had to document the specific site where we downloaded any open source software that was used in our product. |
| 17:43.04 | aeryndunham | I mean yeah I get that they donât want people downloading stuff willy-nilly |
| 17:43.33 | aeryndunham | but itâs Docker from the official RHEL repos, not some random unknown application |
| 17:44.59 | jima | so i guess i got a promotion today |
| 17:45.01 | jima | woo |
| 17:45.10 | aeryndunham | whoo! |
| 17:52.26 | aeryndunham | surprise promotion? |
| 18:03.04 | youtah | Woot! |
| 18:07.31 | aeryndunham | man Iâm so glad irc/discord is not blocked here |
| 18:12.49 | jima | aeryndunham: kinda. i knew my review was ostensibly coming, but i didn't know for sure if i'd get the title bump (been waiting 5+ years for it). |
| 18:13.00 | aeryndunham | oh, wow, congrats! |
| 18:13.12 | aeryndunham | is there a salary bump to match the title bump? |
| 18:13.36 | jima | little bit. |
| 18:13.39 | jima | and thanks. |
| 18:13.58 | jima | i had *a* title bump 4 years ago, just not to that of my predecessor. |
| 18:14.25 | jima | took over his role 3 months after i started...got his title 6 years later. |
| 18:36.37 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: It's easier to download stuff willy nilly with docker >_> |
| 18:37.07 | frostyfrog | Anyways... Has everyone else's software gotten onto the approved list? |
| 18:37.26 | frostyfrog | I mean, seriously. >_> |
| 18:37.41 | aeryndunham | who knows |
| 18:38.16 | frostyfrog | Start giving all thr projects code names and getting them approved! xD |
| 18:38.20 | frostyfrog | half jokes |
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| 18:58.50 | youtah | http://i.imgur.com/ahBCBFM.gifv |
| 19:01.28 | spangborn_ | http://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/08/08/high-ranking-mormon-official-excommunicated-first-such-ouster-in-nearly-3-decades/ |
| 19:01.30 | spangborn_ | Huh |
| 19:15.16 | frostyfrog | youtah: Which one is that? |
| 19:18.46 | Migs | ruh roh |
| 19:19.03 | Migs | In 1989, the LDS Church removed George P. Lee as a Seventy, the first American Indian LDS general authority, and excommunicated him for âheresyâ and âconduct unbecoming a member of the church.â Lee later admitted to attempted child sex abuse. |
| 19:19.06 | Migs | oh man, I forgot about that |
| 19:21.01 | spangborn_ | Also, don't read the comments |
| 19:21.42 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠The red hat repositories have a really weird version of docker |
| 19:22.12 | aeryndunham | I got a guy to take ownership and get it updated |
| 19:22.19 | aeryndunham | so itâs out of my hands now :p |
| 19:22.21 | programmerq | use community addition instead of the red hat repository version |
| 19:22.33 | programmerq | the red hat version is so different that it's basically a fork |
| 19:23.56 | fungus | lol, best comment section ever. |
| 19:24.01 | fungus | "What the hell do you have to do to get 86'd from a church founded by a perv and a con-man?" |
| 19:24.15 | aeryndunham | I think I am the one who got tasked with âfind the person who can upgrade thisâ as Iâm the only person in the room who has even a basic grasp to how it works |
| 19:24.19 | aeryndunham | :( bad comment section |
| 19:24.38 | Migs | aeryndunham: Sometimes it's best to just see things from others' perspectives and chuckle |
| 19:24.48 | aeryndunham | sometimes |
| 19:24.50 | Migs | obviously things aren't quite that simple |
| 19:25.02 | Migs | I...think most people realize that, right? |
| 19:25.06 | Migs | maybe not |
| 19:25.39 | Migs | Yeah, maybe not. People think in pretty black-and-white terms when it comes to religions. |
| 19:25.42 | aeryndunham | i mean I always try my best to understand things from other perspectives |
| 19:25.44 | Migs | *other religions |
| 19:25.59 | aeryndunham | but sometimes the mental gymnastics is just too much to bother with |
| 19:27.23 | fungus | "10% raise and Sundays off." |
| 19:28.41 | Migs | lulz |
| 19:28.47 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 19:29.09 | aeryndunham | but I typically avoid comments sections internet-wide |
| 19:29.10 | Migs | more like Sundays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays... |
| 19:29.14 | aeryndunham | just seems like a saner policy |
| 19:32.06 | Migs | lucky we're bringing the comments sections to you |
| 19:32.12 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 19:32.18 | aeryndunham | my lucky day |
| 19:32.36 | spangborn | USPS is a joke |
| 19:32.48 | spangborn | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7JnT2Rro/IMG_2499.JPG |
| 19:33.40 | spangborn | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PAmIkZOH/IMG_2501.JPG |
| 19:34.42 | frostyfrog | Hey, at least their twitter department knows what they're doing! |
| 19:36.00 | spangborn_ | Sure, after waiting 3 days to reply ;p |
| 19:37.27 | frostyfrog | Yeah, well... Okay. You've got a point there. |
| 19:39.39 | spangborn_ | aeryndunham: You just need to read the comment sections when KenM is involved |
| 19:39.48 | spangborn_ | https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/ |
| 19:40.28 | aeryndunham | lol what is that |
| 19:41.26 | spangborn_ | It's a guy who intentionally trolls comment sections |
| 19:41.34 | spangborn_ | He starts off looking really stupid, and waits for someone to take the bait. |
| 19:41.44 | frostyfrog | xD https://www.reddit.com/r/KenM/comments/6ru2ou/ken_m_on_the_topic_of_food/dl7rfed/ |
| 19:41.45 | spangborn_ | When they do, he goes off the deep end into trolling |
| 19:42.12 | Migs | his formula is (1) say something stupid, (2) engage the responders a bit with increasingly stupid comments, (3) close with something over the top that it can either concludes a killer joke or ruins it |
| 19:42.21 | Migs | *it either |
| 19:43.15 | spangborn_ | Here's a good one: https://i.imgur.com/OgxPiar.png |
| 19:43.48 | Migs | lol @ wickerpedia |
| 19:44.30 | spangborn_ | I spent an hour digging through this subreddit on Sunday and was dying of laughter |
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| 19:47.48 | frostyfrog | Sounds like a fun strategy to adopt |
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| 19:58.24 | spangborn_ | I think this one was my favorite: http://i.imgur.com/eiEfMAx.png |
| 20:00.25 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:00.34 | youtah | then they circle the ones who aren't on the list |
| 20:01.11 | spangborn_ | youtah: /r/KenM |
| 20:01.42 | youtah | https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45335673&nid=148 |
| 20:02.26 | youtah | O. M. G. |
| 20:02.29 | youtah | OMG OMG OMG |
| 20:02.39 | spangborn_ | lol my brother was at this |
| 20:02.50 | youtah | OH MY |
| 20:02.52 | youtah | WOW |
| 20:03.03 | youtah | I actually passed it on our way down from the Uintas |
| 20:08.08 | romanovic | Wow. Utah's BAC laws have been in the news lately. I propose a BAC limit of .08 for singing the National Anthem in public |
| 20:08.47 | romanovic | how nice of the crowd to help her out toward the end there. |
| 20:11.27 | Migs | she sings better than I do, so I don't see the problem |
| 20:27.43 | spangborn_ | Would it be unpatriotic to boo her? |
| 20:27.52 | spangborn_ | Just curious |
| 20:29.51 | aeryndunham | i;m out of things to do at work |
| 20:35.11 | youtah | :( |
| 20:37.46 | aeryndunham | hopefully Iâll get busy enough to fill a day soon |
| 20:38.16 | Migs | why would you boo someone who had the courage to get up in front of a large crowd and share a developing talent? |
| 20:38.28 | Migs | that would be like going to a 3rd grade science fair and booing all the volcanoes |
| 20:41.24 | joshh | maybe not unpatriotic but not nice |
| 20:41.49 | Migs | good grief, this new developer I hired really prefers to be micromanaged....he feels the need to narrate his entire coding process to me |
| 20:42.50 | joshh | tell him to give you more detail |
| 20:45.13 | jima | MORE DETAIL |
| 20:45.15 | jima | MORE |
| 20:45.22 | jima | maybe at some point he'll figure it out |
| 20:45.46 | youtah | give him a new name plate for his cubical that says "Morgan Freeman" |
| 20:46.12 | jima | youtah: that's reserved for people with such an awesome narration voice. |
| 20:46.24 | jima | "not Morgan Freeman" |
| 20:46.42 | jima | i think that name plate would be better |
| 20:46.56 | youtah | Avrey Brooks? |
| 20:47.10 | youtah | Oooo, I know |
| 20:47.19 | youtah | James Earl Jones |
| 20:51.45 | aeryndunham | oooooh I just answered someoneâs question about the way Internet on the ship works and he didnât believe me and went and asked Chris |
| 20:51.48 | aeryndunham | that kind of stuff bugs me |
| 21:11.14 | jlp_znc | ask why he didn't believe you... if it's because you're new to the company, then maybe he can be excused for not knowing you spent the last six years working on ships running the internets. |
| 21:11.37 | jlp_znc | if it's because you're female, then you can just disregard him in the future and ignore him. |
| 21:11.51 | aeryndunham | he asked because he knew I worked on ships |
| 21:12.08 | jlp_znc | and then he didn't believe you? weird. |
| 21:12.15 | aeryndunham | but âyes, even when the ship is in port the Internet is still going through the satelliteâ wasnât good enouf |
| 21:12.34 | aeryndunham | âreally? no hook-up to land-based Internet?â |
| 21:12.39 | jlp_znc | why would it change when you dock? |
| 21:12.58 | aeryndunham | so I explained that we did that for a year or so a couple years back, in Alaska, we literally plugged in the shipâs network to something shoreside |
| 21:13.02 | aeryndunham | but we donât anymore |
| 21:13.13 | aeryndunham | alwyays satellite now |
| 21:13.20 | aeryndunham | and he went, âhuh, Iâll ask chris" |
| 21:14.22 | jlp_znc | huh, I hope chris suitably chastised him. |
| 21:18.46 | aeryndunham | uh I donât think heâd been listening |
| 21:18.48 | aeryndunham | so he just answered him |
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| 21:28.08 | jlp_znc | well, that's unfortunate. |
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| 23:08.28 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UOD5DPeijs <- yoga |
| 23:25.33 | youtah | THIS IS SO GOOD |
| 23:25.38 | youtah | LOL |
| 23:25.46 | youtah | "I can see through your pants" |
| 23:36.53 | jlp_znc | in a totally non-creepy way, of course |
| 23:42.54 | spangborn | So this happened today https://www.dropbox.com/s/gchf4epz1ilopp0/LOLCat6.mov?raw=true |
| 23:51.44 | jlp_znc | I hate riding fast on those boardwalks... they can get slick. Especially in the fall when there's a little frost. |
| 23:52.23 | jlp_znc | did he/she hit something on the path? |
| 23:53.02 | jlp_znc | (and I know you were off of the boardwalk before the wipeout) |
