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| 14:52.50 | unum | having had three first days on the job in the last 17 years..... |
| 14:52.57 | unum | it'll probably be the same |
| 14:53.00 | unum | ;) |
| 14:54.03 | unum | I spent my first day on the job installing linux |
| 14:54.18 | unum | and my second day updating a web app |
| 14:54.30 | unum | hasn't changed much in 12 years |
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| 15:42.23 | aeryndunham | omg I just met my bossâs boss and the warnings given to me that he was not nice still did not have my sufficiently prepared |
| 15:49.05 | straya | just quit |
| 15:49.51 | aeryndunham | i so desperately need the money |
| 15:49.52 | jlp_znc | at least you have a layer in between you |
| 15:50.40 | aeryndunham | when I was introduced to him it was âaeryndunham comes from Princess with many years of shipboard experience, should be very helpful blah blahâ and this dudeâs response was that he was sure Iâd do great things âas long as you donât do anything the Princess way because if Princess were any good we wouldnât be hereâ |
| 15:51.19 | aeryndunham | to which I was just like 0_0 |
| 15:51.53 | aeryndunham | what a welcome |
| 15:54.14 | aeryndunham | and likeâ¦. itâs not even an accurate statement, this project isnât to âfixâ Princess Cruises |
| 15:54.34 | aeryndunham | this is a giant Carnival Corpotation initiative, Princess is the first brand adopting it but itâs theoretically being rolled out to all 9 brands down the line |
| 15:55.03 | jlp_znc | wow |
| 15:55.25 | jlp_znc | seems like someone got up on the wrong side of the ship this morning. |
| 15:55.50 | aeryndunham | i know right |
| 15:56.20 | jlp_znc | maybe he thinks he's being supportive of you having left Princess? |
| 15:56.28 | jlp_znc | tries to give the benefit of the doubt |
| 15:56.29 | aeryndunham | didnât sound like it |
| 15:56.39 | jlp_znc | no, it didn't |
| 15:56.50 | aeryndunham | and i mean I left Princess because I reached my lifetime limit of customer service and Chris was moving to Miami anyway |
| 15:56.56 | aeryndunham | it wasnât that I hated the company |
| 15:57.06 | aeryndunham | cruise ships are ORGANIZED. this office is a hot mess |
| 15:57.35 | jlp_znc | ships have to be organized. they have a strict hierarchy to preserve that order. |
| 15:58.58 | aeryndunham | and I am very good at working autonomously but so far here I have simultaneously no instruction or guidance and a project that I have literally no idea how to complete for them |
| 15:59.14 | aeryndunham | meanwhile still no badge, keys, login credentials, computer |
| 15:59.36 | aeryndunham | Iâm also sitting at someone elseâs desk that I will be kicked out of when he gets back on Monday because there are no more available |
| 16:06.31 | jlp_znc | wheee! welcome to the small company world. |
| 16:07.03 | jlp_znc | is this a division of a large company? or a small startup that is working on a huge contract they should never have been awarded? |
| 16:07.50 | aeryndunham | itâs hard to even explain |
| 16:08.01 | jlp_znc | ah, one of those. |
| 16:08.24 | aeryndunham | there are lots of companies working here on contract all on the same project |
| 16:08.27 | aeryndunham | itâs a Carnival project |
| 16:08.55 | aeryndunham | but the people working here are a huge mix of Carnival Corporate, tons of contractors, and Princess people because thatâs the first brand adopting it |
| 16:09.28 | aeryndunham | itâs an entirely separate building from Carnivalâs offices |
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| 16:10.06 | aeryndunham | https://www.princess.com/ships-and-experience/ocean-medallion-class/?utm_source=princess.com/ocean&utm_medium=mixed&utm_campaign=ocean&cid=mkt_mixed_mixed_princess.com/ocean_ocean |
| 16:10.11 | aeryndunham | thatâs the project |
| 16:10.49 | aeryndunham | or https://www.wired.com/2017/01/carnival-ocean-medallion-wearable/ is more from the tech side |
| 16:11.38 | jlp_znc | yes, I remember you talking about it before. big brother on a ship. :-) |
| 16:12.12 | aeryndunham | right |
| 16:12.27 | aeryndunham | if everything they are planning actually works it should be pretty cool, actually |
| 16:13.44 | jlp_znc | yeah, it sounded pretty cool. get people used to the whole idea before we forcefully chip them. |
| 16:14.11 | jlp_znc | (in idiocracy they had a barcode tattoo on their arm) |
| 16:14.36 | aeryndunham | i mean itâs not like itâs really possible to be âspyingâ on people any more than your iphone is |
| 16:14.51 | aeryndunham | and you can opt out of this whole thing if you are so inclined |
| 16:15.10 | aeryndunham | so I donât anticipate toooo many âbig brotherâ complains onboard |
| 16:15.48 | aeryndunham | there will be some, Iâm sure |
| 16:16.57 | jlp_znc | people will just have to get used to the idea. we already sell our souls to the advertisers for free TV. |
| 16:18.53 | aeryndunham | oh also this building provides lunch but they âhaventâ gotten around toâ tables or a cafeteria so there is litreally no choice but to just eat at your desk |
| 16:18.55 | aeryndunham | which I really dislike |
| 16:19.54 | aeryndunham | anyway back in a bit |
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| 16:33.07 | SunSparc | Convenience always comes at a cost. |
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| 17:00.09 | frostyfrog | yup |
| 17:00.15 | frostyfrog | Morning :) |
| 17:01.44 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: At least the first two weeks are generally considered the learning/training period. It doesn't seem like they were expecting to hire someone as soon as they did. |
| 17:01.56 | aeryndunham | dunno |
| 17:02.12 | aeryndunham | I was hired last Monday so they had a full week to sort SOMETHING out but no one did ANYTHINF |
| 17:02.24 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 17:02.26 | frostyfrog | Wow |
| 17:04.11 | frostyfrog | waits a couple weeks, hoping another blog post will appear. >_> |
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| 17:08.46 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 17:08.57 | aeryndunham | Iâm sorry to disappoint my one reader in that I never update that thing :p |
| 17:13.40 | aeryndunham | iâm gonna do my best to stick it out because chris tells me he hated it when he started too and I trust him more than anyone else in the world |
| 17:13.44 | aeryndunham | but it still sucks |
| 17:14.57 | jima | that's about how often i blog |
| 17:15.08 | jima | well...no, way more often than i blog. ;-) |
| 17:15.51 | aeryndunham | I WANT to update the thing |
| 17:15.52 | aeryndunham | but |
| 17:15.53 | aeryndunham | I don't |
| 17:16.06 | aeryndunham | also I need to completely reinstall the cms and it was hard so |
| 17:20.55 | aeryndunham | I donât even remember how I did it because all the official guides are for configuration with nginx and Iâm running apache :P |
| 17:26.18 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: So you're just doing the disney wristband thing then. That's... not that hard, really. |
| 17:26.45 | aeryndunham | it is a lot more advanced than the Disney thing, really |
| 17:26.55 | TodPunk | just different heuristics |
| 17:27.06 | aeryndunham | and running anything from a ship is just⦠harder.. than running it from land |
| 17:27.21 | aeryndunham | but anyway Iâm not involved on the technical side at all and I WISH I were |
| 17:27.22 | jima | i haven't had the need or particular desire to get into nginx, so i hear that |
| 17:27.23 | TodPunk | disney isn't trying to guess how to modify things based on your location, mostly |
| 17:27.45 | aeryndunham | Chrisâs whole life right now is making the damn doors unlock |
| 17:28.27 | TodPunk | Are they not? |
| 17:28.42 | TodPunk | Actually, nvm, that's a rabbit hole |
| 17:28.45 | aeryndunham | I think they are working now |
| 17:29.13 | aeryndunham | also a company has definitely spent months only pretending to have an MDM solution so he wants to murder them |
| 17:29.29 | spangborn | You should switch to ngninx |
| 17:29.31 | spangborn | *nginx |
| 17:29.40 | aeryndunham | this one particular company claims to be able to spectacular things but so far nothing |
| 17:29.54 | aeryndunham | (whatever a software-defined network is, thatâs what they are doing) |
| 17:30.08 | aeryndunham | I could switch to nginx |
| 17:30.14 | spangborn | nginx is <3 |
| 17:30.32 | spangborn | I find the configuration simpler and it's faster and more efficient |
| 17:30.38 | aeryndunham | and once I reinstall the CMS itâll be a lot better, this new update now includes automatic updating which is a vast vast vast improvement |
| 17:30.46 | spangborn | I did it to reduce load on my puny VPS |
| 17:30.59 | aeryndunham | yeah haha my VPS is as puny as they come |
| 17:31.50 | aeryndunham | I would love to just spend my afternoon here doing that but Iâd probably get in trouble |
| 17:32.01 | aeryndunham | I technically have a project to be working on but I donât really have the means to do it |
| 17:32.10 | TodPunk | unless you have written plugins for apache that are complicated and necessary, switching to nginx is basically a necessity these days |
| 17:32.33 | TodPunk | like switching from perl to any other language |
| 17:32.34 | aeryndunham | whatâs the tldr of why apache is bad? |
| 17:32.42 | aeryndunham | just old? |
| 17:32.43 | spangborn | It's resource intensive and slow |
| 17:33.01 | TodPunk | apache isn't bad, it's just old and can't be updated to take advantage of the smarter way to do things how they need to be done nowadays |
| 17:33.06 | spangborn | nginx with php7-fpm is so damn fast |
| 17:33.23 | TodPunk | it's architecture limits it |
| 17:33.31 | TodPunk | *its |
| 17:34.05 | aeryndunham | I think when I set up my site I was just doing so much that was new to me that I went with apache just for familiarity |
| 17:34.10 | spangborn | If you use the prefork version of Apache it's a bit better, but I don't think that's maintained anymore? |
| 17:34.34 | spangborn | basically apache spins off an entire new process for each request |
| 17:34.41 | spangborn | with separate memory |
| 17:34.48 | aeryndunham | Iâm apparently using version 2.4.18 |
| 17:34.55 | spangborn | and nginx just uses an event loop and a single process |
| 17:35.22 | TodPunk | My guess is you aren't actually really using "Apache" as much as you're just using a web server that proxies to a node process, right? |
| 17:35.30 | aeryndunham | I donât know |
| 17:35.35 | TodPunk | .... |
| 17:35.37 | aeryndunham | just a web server? |
| 17:35.49 | aeryndunham | I mean âsudo apt install apache2â was really the extent of it |
| 17:35.58 | TodPunk | then yes |
| 17:35.59 | aeryndunham | I think I set up a firewall |
| 17:36.00 | spangborn | Sounds like it |
| 17:36.03 | TodPunk | it's just the default webserver |
| 17:36.05 | aeryndunham | yes |
| 17:36.12 | spangborn | nginx is definitely faster as a proxy |
| 17:36.13 | TodPunk | with an xml config that probably has a single virtualhost |
| 17:36.51 | aeryndunham | I imagine so |
| 17:36.59 | TodPunk | in nginx you'd have a json config with a single server{} entry and some proxy config entries and you'd have the same thing |
| 17:37.17 | jima | spangborn: why should i switch from apache, which i know well and works just fine on my resources, to nginx, which i don't have any experience with whatsoever? |
| 17:37.25 | aeryndunham | are all of apacheâs projects no good? I think this project is using a couple of them |
| 17:37.43 | aeryndunham | cassandra and kafka, specifically |
| 17:37.48 | spangborn | Lots of Apache projects are great |
| 17:37.57 | spangborn | Their webserver is just old and resource intensive |
| 17:38.04 | spangborn | jima: I probably wouldn't in your case |
| 17:38.09 | TodPunk | we haven't converted at work because we have this monstrous config doing all sorts of cookie management and rewriting, and doing that in nginx would be difficult to get up and running again, but we'll be getting rid of the backend piece that needs all of that soon enough so we'll just convert when we don't have to carry the cruft over |
| 17:38.09 | jima | spangborn: heh |
| 17:38.11 | spangborn | Unless you want to learn something new :) |
| 17:38.27 | jima | there's plenty of other new things ahead of nginx for me :-) |
| 17:39.05 | aeryndunham | although it looks like theyre using cassandra and couchbase and arenât those⦠the same thing, more or less? |
| 17:39.34 | aeryndunham | and I read their whole site but whatever kafka does is still a mystery to me |
| 17:40.07 | TodPunk | jima: if it's at all related to your job, I'd learn nginx. If you ever have any desire to efficiently use those resources to do more, I'd learn nginx. If you have no need to handle more traffic than you do now, or don't care if it dies because of that, and no benefit to learning nginx, then I wouldn't |
| 17:40.20 | spangborn | Distributed messaging system, basically |
| 17:40.27 | spangborn | For communicating between apps/etc |
| 17:41.12 | spangborn | IIRC, nginx usage is pretty close to surpassing Apache |
| 17:41.24 | spangborn | Not as close as I thought, but getting there: https://w3techs.com/technologies/comparison/ws-apache,ws-microsoftiis,ws-nginx |
| 17:41.31 | aeryndunham | if I understood correctly (the âCloud Engineerâ was excitedly explaining) kafka is how our shipboard sevices wil talk to their shoreside counterparts |
| 17:41.56 | spangborn | aeryndunham: Makes sense |
| 17:43.42 | jima | TodPunk: it's a bit more fun in that all i run is the os and daemon -- the application teams would likely throw a fit if i arbitrarily changed the http daemon. |
| 17:44.17 | TodPunk | I would never suggest pulling a rug from under someone arbitrarily, obviously =cP |
| 17:44.27 | jima | (and i do not want to get dragged back into application support) |
| 17:45.14 | spangborn | jima: unless they noticed it was running faster |
| 17:45.26 | spangborn | ;p |
| 17:45.46 | jima | spangborn: the biggest application uses a LOT of apache-centric things...so it'd be more like "why did <erp> explode?" |
| 17:45.54 | spangborn | haha, probably |
| 17:46.15 | jima | the stupid crm platforms would probably derp along just fine though |
| 17:48.15 | aeryndunham | would it be terribly difficult to âswitchâ from apache to nginx or would it be better to basically reset my VPS and start from scratch> |
| 17:50.49 | spangborn | It's pretty easy |
| 17:51.06 | spangborn | Considering you're just using it as a proxy, you could just stop the apache service, install nginx, start it, and point it at node |
| 17:51.23 | aeryndunham | I donât understand node lol |
| 17:51.27 | aeryndunham | I know Iâm running it but |
| 17:51.30 | aeryndunham | I have so much to learn |
| 17:53.19 | joshh | can node be avoided? |
| 17:53.35 | aeryndunham | not unless I change to a different CMS |
| 17:54.28 | joshh | ah, didn't know what you were doing |
| 17:54.43 | aeryndunham | and on my future to do list is learning enough backend stuff to write my own blogging platform |
| 17:54.46 | aeryndunham | but that day is not this day |
| 17:56.05 | aeryndunham | I actually paid for a webdev course (was heavily on sale) which has been fun |
| 17:56.20 | aeryndunham | bought a linux admin course too |
| 17:56.28 | aeryndunham | to help foster my two main IT interests :p |
| 18:20.06 | aeryndunham | oh good, someone suggested that I just âget thick skin and donât let anyone ever see me tear upâ |
| 18:20.09 | aeryndunham | Iâll get right on that? |
| 18:58.38 | frostyfrog | /late |
| 18:59.15 | frostyfrog | spangborn: I prefer lightty |
| 19:02.52 | frostyfrog | joshh: https://ghost.org/ Ghost, the CMS that was kickstarted and is an open source CMS/blog platform. All blog posts are written in Markdown. It's really nice as far as usability goes. :) |
| 19:04.05 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: If you ever need help with that stuff, I'm willing to help guide you, if needed. It's a bad idea to give a random stranger on the internet credentials and say "Go and update it for me", so I'm not offering to do so. |
| 19:08.17 | aeryndunham | haha I wouldnât do that |
| 19:08.54 | aeryndunham | itâs a pretty nice CMS, I think. Itâs one major issue was that if you were self-hosting it like I am, updates werenât automatic, you had to download the new version and copy certain files |
| 19:09.27 | aeryndunham | version 1.1.0 is finally out and I guess it breaks everything so requires a clean install, but from then on out all itâll take is âghost updateâ when thereâs a new version out |
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| 19:29.13 | frostyfrog | Well, you know. It's not secure at all ;) Welp, I wish you luck on getting it updated when you can find a few moments to do so. Hope it won't be too difficult. |
| 20:14.01 | aeryndunham | I hate when I get the âan item on your Steam wishlist is on sale!â notification |
| 20:14.02 | aeryndunham | cause they know Ill go buy it |
| 20:14.02 | aeryndunham | and add it to the list of games I donât get around to |
| 20:40.51 | frostyfrog | That hasn't happened for me in a while |
| 20:41.24 | frostyfrog | I get the email, I check it out, I look at the price, and I wonder why I added it to my wishlist. |
| 20:41.32 | frostyfrog | Then I remove it from my wishlist |
| 20:41.46 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 20:42.01 | aeryndunham | this was for Hollow Knight, which I want |
| 20:59.57 | TodPunk | The speedrun of that for SGDQ was quite awesome |
| 21:04.56 | aeryndunham | iâll probably buy it because at least I am being monetarily compensated for my current job misery |
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| 21:36.30 | frostyfrog | If you like anime, I've found this to be a fun little show to watch >_> http://store.steampowered.com/app/626280/Aokana/ |
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| 21:36.56 | frostyfrog | oh... they left... |
| 21:36.58 | keldwud | hey anybody interested in going to see the big sick today at Broadway theater? |
| 21:37.08 | frostyfrog | big sick? |
| 21:37.26 | keldwud | hmm, well, now that I think about it. it's a pretty depressing movie |
| 21:37.47 | keldwud | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5462602/ |
| 21:38.23 | keldwud | just realized it's probably not the best of movies for a casual acquaintance date and probably more suitable for a date date or a solo date |
| 21:39.06 | keldwud | dang. rotten tomatoes has it at 98% |
| 21:39.31 | frostyfrog | Huh, the summary seems interesting |
| 21:41.50 | SunSparc | You could always go see "We Love You, Sally Carmichael!". It is released tomorrow. |
| 21:42.18 | SunSparc | I saw the premier on Tuesday. I enjoyed it. |
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