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| 04:43.06 | spangborn | Aaaaand there's the fires |
| 04:43.21 | spangborn | Three in Cottonwood Heights and one in Sugarhouse. Good grief |
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| 16:27.59 | manithree | wonders if spangborn ever disconnects from IRC |
| 16:28.25 | spangborn_ | IRCCloud is a thing :) |
| 16:28.27 | spangborn_ | also znc |
| 16:28.36 | manithree | If I see messages from you while you're biking, I'll know you have a serious problem |
| 17:56.08 | beelzebob | anyone here use and/or have opinions on ngrok? (https://ngrok.com/) |
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| 18:40.14 | youtah | MORNING |
| 18:40.42 | youtah | So eightyeight .... I have been chatting up tons of people now using the FB Chat with encryption on |
| 18:42.02 | spangborn_ | manithree: haha, exactly |
| 19:04.29 | frostyfrog | youtah: fb chat + encryption? |
| 19:33.48 | spangborn_ | youtah: What do you have to hide? |
| 19:36.44 | romanovic | this was interesting. https://communequation.wordpress.com/2017/07/05/im-not-a-woman-in-tech/ |
| 19:37.29 | romanovic | I suspect my ideology and hers don't have a lot of overlap, but when it comes to my own daughter and her future career options, I agree with her sentiment here. "I'm a woman, I work in tech, but I'm not a 'woman in tech'" |
| 19:43.01 | eightyeight | youtah: heh |
| 19:43.26 | eightyeight | youtah: makes sense, as it's the lowest hanging fruit. but, i would be trying to get them over to Signal if you can |
| 19:44.43 | eightyeight | frostyfrog: facebook messenger supports end-to-end encryption with the signal protocol via "Secret Conversations" |
| 19:45.00 | eightyeight | you can enable it by just clicking a lock in the chat (it's not end-to-end by default) |
| 19:49.50 | programmerq | I have been trying to subtly expose my children to folks that don't fit the stereotypical mold for different STEM professions. If we are watching something on netflix like a documentary, if there is a woman scientist, I will just point out that there is a scientist talking about something cool. I try very hard to omit any of the "qualifier" labels that tend to get applied 2 folks like that. |
| 19:49.57 | programmerq | s/2/to/ |
| 19:54.15 | manithree | What if the problem is there just aren't as many women that like tech? |
| 19:56.37 | programmerq | that really isn't it. Many who do like it get "othered" to the point that they don't feel welcome. |
| 20:00.36 | programmerq | I have seen that pattern over and over again. It is really quite a shame. There are lots of smart minds out there that just don't participate in tech because it is such an uphill battle for them. (not just women, lots of folks end up getting "othered" for many reasons) |
| 20:00.52 | RyanE | both can be true at the same time. |
| 20:01.11 | programmerq | but there just isn't research to back up that there is some mysterious force that keep women's interest out of tech |
| 20:01.23 | RyanE | i.e. it's possible fewer women by default are interested in tech, but those that are get othered. |
| 20:01.51 | programmerq | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:02.00 | RyanE | sure, but there's also no interest to back up that there are inherent gender differences that cause boys to point their fingers into the shape of guns and say 'bang' more often than girls. |
| 20:02.09 | RyanE | oh, I agree. What is done to those that *are* interested in tech is bad. |
| 20:06.13 | programmerq | One of my friends tweeted about a YC job posting, and broke down several of the biases it contained: https://twitter.com/sarahmei/status/865414033989525504 |
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| 20:39.46 | fadein | programmerq: huh, and here I thought that "passion" simply refered to something that I enjoy doing a lot |
| 20:39.58 | fadein | turns out that I don't actually have any passions |
| 20:41.22 | programmerq | it can, yes. In that particular setting, a job interview, it more often the knot seems to reflect the definition that she discusses. |
| 20:42.10 | programmerq | s/knot/not/ |
| 20:42.16 | programmerq | stupid voice dictation |
| 20:42.25 | fadein | if the interviewer is truly trying to find out how much leisure time one has, why not ask "what do you do in your free time?" |
| 20:42.55 | fadein | seems like that gets more to the point without relying on both parties agreeing upon the secret meaning of a code word |
| 20:44.26 | fadein | anyway, I suppose that I should be relishing my new-found confidence as a white male. no more self-doubt for me! |
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| 20:51.47 | levi | Whee, this discussion is going off the rails in the typical ways. |
| 20:52.20 | spangborn_ | And it wasn't even written in Ruby |
| 20:53.58 | RyanE | these kinds of discussions make me just more happy that I'm not involved in the hiring process. |
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| 22:02.10 | unum | I've been doing the FIRST Lego League JR at my daughters' elementary school |
| 22:02.23 | unum | the ratio of involvement is 5-1 |
| 22:02.39 | manithree | Lego:human ratio? |
| 22:02.45 | eightyeight | leggo my lego eggo legless lego legolas? |
| 22:02.59 | unum | I have 36 kids including 6 girls |
| 22:03.49 | spangborn_ | blinks |
| 22:03.54 | spangborn_ | How many are raspberry pis? |
| 22:07.27 | unum | I mean I coach 36 kids |
| 22:07.30 | unum | I only have 3 |
| 22:07.33 | unum | two girls and a boy |
| 22:07.42 | unum | This is an interesting post for me |
| 22:07.50 | fadein | unum: what's a Lego League? |
| 22:08.03 | fadein | is it just for building with bricks, or is it related to Mindstorm? |
| 22:08.18 | unum | fadein: it does involve prograble motors |
| 22:08.24 | unum | not much with the age I'm dealing with |
| 22:08.37 | unum | but the regular league programs a robot to carry out tasks |
| 22:08.52 | unum | they actually have two teams going at the same time and an annoucer |
| 22:09.09 | unum | the robots are preprogrammed |
| 22:09.19 | fadein | that sounds cool. I'll have to see if my kids' school does that |
| 22:09.24 | fadein | if they don't... |
| 22:09.50 | unum | I understand the middle schools in utah have support for them, so they usually already have them |
| 22:10.24 | unum | there's also a group that does an after school program for a fee |
| 22:10.35 | unum | but they don't participate in the expos |
| 22:10.48 | fadein | unum: I found a website for "FIRST Lego League Utah" at weber.edu |
| 22:10.59 | unum | ya they are currently the state sponser |
| 22:11.02 | fadein | ok |
| 22:11.17 | unum | which school district are you in? |
| 22:11.43 | unum | I've been dealing with the issues that woman is talking about |
| 22:11.54 | unum | I teach my girls that tom boy is an outdated term |
| 22:11.58 | fadein | Logan School District |
| 22:12.18 | fadein | I don't think I see my kids' schools on here |
| 22:12.56 | unum | ya they may not have one started up there yet |
| 22:13.05 | unum | I'm in canyon's which is a little bit bigger ;) |
| 22:14.23 | unum | my oldest daughter watches a program where the actress plays twins, one's an actress and the other's a basketball start |
| 22:14.26 | unum | star |
| 22:14.38 | unum | so she refers to girls being livs or maddies |
| 22:14.47 | unum | not sure that's really an improvement.... |
| 22:15.17 | unum | my second daughter seems more inclined to science and engineering |
| 22:15.30 | fadein | unum: just what age group are you coaching? the page describing how to start a team says that members should be aged 9-14 |
| 22:15.52 | fadein | I was picturing 1st - 3rd graders, but you're probably into 4th and 5th graders? |
| 22:24.23 | unum | you're looking at the regular league |
| 22:24.33 | unum | the junior league is 1st-3rd graders |
| 22:24.42 | unum | weber over sees expos for the junior league as well |
| 22:25.00 | fadein | ah, that makes more sense |
| 22:30.21 | unum | the junior league is like a science fair |
| 22:30.27 | unum | you make a poster, and a lego model |
| 22:30.46 | unum | we only put about 10 hours into ours, if that |
| 22:31.35 | unum | I do six teams of six and then have some teacher come in and judge and I take the top two teams to the expo weber puts on in the district |
| 22:33.10 | unum | last year some parents expressed a desire that our projects be more comparable to the others(with 36 students and one me, our projects have less coach involvement than other teams), so I held a meeting to see what other parents could help me with and no one showed up |
| 22:33.32 | youtah | frostyfrog, yes... FB Chat has endpoint to endpoint device encryption |
| 22:34.12 | fadein | unum: sad story |
| 22:34.17 | fadein | that's gotta be frustrating |
| 22:34.39 | youtah | So these guys: https://www.amazon.com/233621-Cancelling-Over-ear-Headphones-Microphone/dp/B019MBSRQQ/ref=lp_13263014011_1_1 <<< have shocking noise cancellation |
| 22:35.46 | youtah | Where as these guys, their noise cancellation is only half as good, but great features and sound quality https://www.amazon.com/B%C3%96HM-Bluetooth-Cushioned-Headphones-Cancelling/dp/B01F5S4BEC/ref=sr_1_2 |
| 22:41.53 | levi | Whee, my kernel driver patch worked, and I now have PTP-timestamped external event support working on my board. |
| 22:45.26 | levi | youtah: I have never seen "233621"-branded electronics before. |
| 23:11.21 | frostyfrog | youtah: Well, you know. Their like people. Some people have a shocking personality and build up static electricity, while others prefer not to. |