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| 15:51.45 | frostyfrog | Morning |
| 15:52.10 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Morning |
| 15:52.43 | aeryndunham | Heya |
| 15:53.01 | aeryndunham | I have a phone interview this afternoon |
| 15:53.06 | aeryndunham | and I'm kind of freaking out |
| 15:53.30 | jlp_znc | is it with Princess? |
| 15:54.08 | aeryndunham | Carnival |
| 15:54.15 | aeryndunham | Princess is in California, mostly |
| 15:54.26 | jlp_znc | oh, it's Carnival that is across the street from you? |
| 15:54.29 | frostyfrog | Sooo... competitor? |
| 15:54.33 | aeryndunham | I just haven't had to do one of these generic phone call with HR things in, like.... ever |
| 15:54.52 | aeryndunham | Not really, they're under the same parent company and it's not like Princess has an office down the street I could be applying to |
| 15:55.08 | jlp_znc | just be yourself and you'll do fine. |
| 15:55.28 | aeryndunham | The job doesn't look particularly exciting but I can't wait any more for whatever IT department reorganization to happen for a potential job there |
| 15:55.37 | aeryndunham | https://jobs.carnival.com/job/miami/coordinator-entertainment-operations/241/4653364 |
| 15:55.53 | jlp_znc | you have an engaging personality (on IRC, at least). you can handle a phone interview. |
| 15:56.28 | jlp_znc | and once you get in the company, you can always move laterally to something you really want. |
| 15:56.29 | aeryndunham | Hah |
| 15:56.44 | aeryndunham | I just worry they're going to ask me nonsense like "what is your greatest weakness" or whatever |
| 15:57.00 | jlp_znc | "answering stupid questions like that" |
| 15:57.08 | jlp_znc | (okay, maybe not the best answer) |
| 15:57.13 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 15:57.53 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 15:58.31 | unum | did that irc(international refugee center) project ever get off the ground |
| 15:58.47 | jlp_znc | https://theinterviewguys.com/what-is-your-greatest-weakness-examples-included/# |
| 16:06.33 | aeryndunham | I also hope if I get this job that it's not too boring |
| 16:06.44 | aeryndunham | And if it IS horribly boring, IRC and Discord aren't blocked :p |
| 16:06.52 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 16:07.27 | aeryndunham | I mean it just looks like your standard office job, which I'd be good at |
| 16:07.38 | aeryndunham | Despite not knowing what half the things in the description are |
| 16:07.58 | aeryndunham | "Provide departmental support for CPS, T&E, Kronos, and Travel. " - am I supposed to know what those are? Cause I sure don't |
| 16:13.03 | jlp_znc | Kronos is a timecard management system. |
| 16:13.31 | jlp_znc | T&E I think is Travel & Entertainment -- like maybe Amex company credit cards? |
| 16:14.01 | jlp_znc | I'm not familiar with CPS. |
| 16:14.27 | jlp_znc | Travel probably means booking travel for other people, like when someone needs to fly down to the Bahamas "for work". |
| 16:14.57 | aeryndunham | ahh ok |
| 16:15.12 | aeryndunham | I mean I can't imagine any of these programs are particularly difficult |
| 16:15.21 | jlp_znc | I wouldn't think so |
| 16:15.42 | aeryndunham | I also literally laughed out loud that the job description asks you to be "web savvy" |
| 16:15.44 | aeryndunham | what year is it?? |
| 16:15.49 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 16:16.01 | jlp_znc | so long as you can drive Excel and Powerpoint, you're good. |
| 16:16.18 | aeryndunham | "Why yes, in fact right now i am designing one of those new-fangled web pages for my world of warcraft guild and everything!" |
| 16:16.53 | aeryndunham | I am a BEAST with Keynote, but Powerpoint is not so different |
| 16:16.53 | aeryndunham | And... I google things really well when Excel starts to be hard :p |
| 16:17.12 | aeryndunham | Honestly, I've just never had much need to use Excel, but I am 100% confident I could be super awesome with it |
| 16:18.56 | jlp_znc | when people ask me if I can handle Excel, I remind them that I worked on UltraCalc... blank stares typically ensue. |
| 16:19.32 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 16:19.49 | aeryndunham | I mean I don't know how to make a Pivot Table off-hand but otherwise I'm all good |
| 16:19.58 | aeryndunham | And I bet the Internet could teach me how to make one of those too |
| 16:20.09 | aeryndunham | If I had Excel on this computer I'd learn right now :p |
| 16:20.10 | manithree | hates Windows, but despises QuickEdit mode with the fiery passion of a thousand suns |
| 16:20.15 | manithree | CPS - Child Protective Services |
| 16:20.39 | aeryndunham | It is really unfortunate job interview timing, I'm going away next week for 11 days |
| 16:30.03 | unum | when ever I see anything in excell I want to replace it with a web app |
| 16:30.31 | unum | I just sent out an email with a link to a google spreadsheet and kept thinking I should just write them a wep app for taht |
| 16:30.41 | unum | I'm really liking laravel |
| 16:30.59 | unum | I could probably have everything they need in less than an hour |
| 16:31.06 | unum | of course it probably took them five minutes |
| 16:40.48 | aeryndunham | I'm nervous :( |
| 16:42.50 | fadein | CPS - Continuation-Passing Style |
| 16:45.19 | frostyfrog | unum: Excellent demonstration of the programmer enthusiast mindset. |
| 16:45.47 | spangborn_ | laravel looks rad |
| 16:46.02 | spangborn_ | If you're one of those PHP guys |
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| 16:53.45 | spangborn_ | ~youtah |
| 16:53.45 | infobot | Did someone say Nachos? |
| 17:03.51 | TodPunk | spangborn_: even evil has fun sometimes? |
| 17:04.18 | jlp_znc | ~nacho youtah |
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| 17:10.23 | spangborn_ | Evil has fun all the time, I believe |
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| 18:09.33 | romanovic | I know I've asked this question before, but does anyone know of a decent internet cafe in Utah County? Like, legitimately an internet cafe and not just a cafe with internet? Something with proper work chairs and desk space? |
| 18:11.13 | romanovic | I found one in SL county, a gaming cafe with decent chairs. I go there occasionally when I need a spot to work in SL. It's just not conveniently located |
| 18:13.55 | romanovic | is done destroying his back trying to work on stools, couches, and hard-backed chairs with no support, which seem to be the only seating options in cafes |
| 18:15.40 | romanovic | somebody take my money. and yes I've looked at coworking spaces but I really only need a spot like 2 - 4 days each month, and I haven't found a reasonably priced plan that works for me yet |
| 18:24.39 | TodPunk | Nupe, don't see where the market for that is |
| 18:24.45 | TodPunk | it's so niche |
| 18:48.56 | romanovic | perhaps? |
| 18:50.45 | romanovic | if I were in Utah but outside of the SL/Provo metro areas, I'd agree with you. |
| 18:51.36 | romanovic | but this is silicon slopes |
| 18:53.01 | romanovic | Hmm, looks like Salt Mine has a day pass option. And a community membership is reasonable if you needed space 5 or more days per month |
| 18:53.08 | TodPunk | So? The number of people that need internet, a decent chair, NOT any particular hardware like a gaming rig or something, not regularly, and not for the hipster social cred isn't likely enough to sustain a business here |
| 18:53.36 | TodPunk | For the majority of the market it's a coworking space or a coffee shop market fit |
| 18:56.12 | romanovic | yeah. and I'm honestly fine working in a coffee shop, in fact I prefer somewhere with access to food and drink on site. I just can't find one _in Utah_ with some seating intended to be work spaces |
| 18:56.50 | romanovic | when I lived in California there were a few cafes with such space and they worked great. |
| 18:59.09 | romanovic | the intent at every coffee shop I can find here is apparently to make you only _just_ comfortable enough for a 15-20 min stay, then get you out of the door. |
| 19:22.05 | unum | iirc utah valley only has a population of about .5 million |
| 19:22.24 | unum | I suspect where ever you were living in CA had a slightly higher population |
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| 19:29.28 | aeryndunham | I survived |
| 19:54.34 | spangborn_ | http://i.imgur.com/sXhEQez.jpg |
| 19:54.40 | spangborn_ | But change "grill" to "Traeger" |
| 19:55.13 | spangborn_ | My parents got one and now I want a Traeger |
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| 20:20.09 | jlp_znc | https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.newprod/nrQLYnNLkAY |
| 20:21.55 | jlp_znc | (if you were wondering what UltraCalc was) |
| 20:58.39 | spangborn_ | This is this weekend, woot https://i.imgur.com/guuuXip.png |
| 21:23.22 | jlp_znc | how did it go, aeryndunham? |
| 21:24.04 | jlp_znc | is that a 100 mile ride, spangborn_? |
| 21:24.09 | spangborn_ | Yep |
| 21:24.18 | jlp_znc | I think I've done communications for that before |
| 21:24.26 | spangborn_ | On ze ham? |
| 21:24.28 | jlp_znc | up in Cache County? |
| 21:24.30 | jlp_znc | yeah |
| 21:24.31 | spangborn_ | Yep, Logan |
| 21:24.44 | spangborn_ | It's a fun ride |
| 21:24.51 | spangborn_ | I'm a lot faster now than I was then |
| 21:24.55 | spangborn_ | So it'll be even more fun |
| 21:25.06 | spangborn_ | then being two years ago, when I rode it last |
| 21:25.13 | spangborn_ | Brain is fried from production support and heat |
| 21:25.18 | jlp_znc | I think I was in Hyrum... the park just before the turn up Blacksmith Fork Canyon |
| 21:25.41 | spangborn_ | https://www.strava.com/activities/334252950 |
| 21:26.09 | spangborn_ | Looks like they've changed the route since then |
| 21:27.24 | jlp_znc | apparently... I think it went down to Hyrum, then if you were doing the 100 you would go up the canyon and back down... if you were doing the 50 or 100km you would just cut over to wellsville |
| 21:27.41 | jlp_znc | there was another cutoff for 50 vs 100km, also |
| 21:28.28 | jlp_znc | it's been a few years |
| 21:31.32 | jlp_znc | I think it was 2014 |
| 21:32.10 | frostyfrog | Oh, cool! a usenet (I think?) posting |
| 21:32.35 | jlp_znc | yeah, back in '89 |
| 21:35.07 | jlp_znc | by "all popular database packages" we meant Oracle, Sybase, Ingress and something else whose name I have forgotten |
| 21:37.53 | jlp_znc | we probably ported to over 30 different Unix variants. |
| 21:41.08 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc: I think it was ok |
| 21:41.23 | aeryndunham | Not as much money as I'd like and the recruiter thinks I'm vastly overqualified |
| 21:41.28 | jlp_znc | when do you expect to hear back? did they ask any of the stupid questions? |
| 21:41.29 | aeryndunham | job a bit more clerical than maybe it looked like |
| 21:41.39 | aeryndunham | I have a further interview with the actual department head on Friday |
| 21:41.46 | jlp_znc | ahh, but hey, if you can get in the door, you can get access to the internal job postings |
| 21:42.18 | jlp_znc | the one I hate is "what do you expect you will be doing in five years?" |
| 21:42.40 | jlp_znc | I'm usually like "five years? that's like a thousand years in internet time. I have no idea." |
| 21:42.46 | aeryndunham | She did say there was absolutely room for growth but that they were looking for someone to stay in this job for 1.5 to 2 years? which I found odd |
| 21:42.54 | aeryndunham | Hopefully we won't even live in Florida in 2 years |
| 21:43.36 | frostyfrog | jlp_znc: How's this answer instead? "The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world!" |
| 21:43.49 | aeryndunham | Very few questions. She just asked me to explain my background and why I wanted this job, and she was like "honestly this job is beaneath you" |
| 21:44.04 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:44.06 | aeryndunham | well OK but then I'll do a really good job then? like what do you say to that? |
| 21:44.54 | jlp_znc | I guess you can say something like "do you have a different position open that you feel I would be a better fit for?" |
| 21:45.03 | aeryndunham | I thought about it |
| 21:46.47 | aeryndunham | In my head I was like "well you are the recruiter for the giant company, what ELSE do you have then??" |
| 21:46.55 | Migs | should've said that |
| 21:47.03 | Migs | worst case scenario, she doesn't have anything |
| 21:47.11 | jlp_znc | yeah |
| 21:47.14 | jlp_znc | call her back! |
| 21:47.26 | Migs | ^ |
| 21:47.32 | jlp_znc | "I was thinking about what you said..." and then what you said in your head |
| 21:47.40 | Migs | bam! |
| 21:47.57 | Migs | aeryndunham: Let us know how it goes. You have 10 minutes. |
| 21:48.01 | aeryndunham | hahaha |
| 21:48.06 | aeryndunham | it's almost 6:00, I'm sure she's gone |
| 21:48.17 | jlp_znc | you didn't get her cell number? |
| 21:48.21 | frostyfrog | 9 minutes 40 seconds |
| 21:48.26 | Migs | message her on Facebook |
| 21:48.42 | Migs | hide in the backseat of her car |
| 21:48.42 | aeryndunham | hahaha |
| 21:49.27 | frostyfrog | Let's get the better job, if possible! =D |
| 21:49.51 | jlp_znc | what's her name? I'll call her for you. |
| 21:49.56 | aeryndunham | I honestly have no idea what I am appropriately qualified for |
| 21:50.03 | jlp_znc | internet cafe manager? |
| 21:50.07 | jlp_znc | ducks |
| 21:50.21 | aeryndunham | Sure I'm probably overqualified for clerical work but I dunno after 6 years of being yelled at by passengers clerical works sounds nice |
| 21:50.30 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 21:52.20 | frostyfrog | jr. software developer? |
| 21:52.23 | frostyfrog | shrugs. |
| 21:53.16 | aeryndunham | I don't think I'm qualified for that |
| 21:53.44 | aeryndunham | My 100% ideal job right now I think would be web dev and I'm learning as much as I can but I'm still sorta stuck in 1999 |
| 21:54.01 | jlp_znc | how's your JS? |
| 21:54.13 | aeryndunham | It doesn't really exist |
| 21:54.22 | aeryndunham | Super basics, sure |
| 21:54.25 | frostyfrog | Um... actually. You'd be surprised. I'm always surprised about how many people make it past the "jr." title. |
| 21:54.45 | aeryndunham | Like if web design were still all html and css I'd be FINE |
| 21:54.47 | TodPunk | She got a website up and running on a JS CMS engine. She's just as qualified as a lot of bootcampers I know that have 60K salaries. |
| 21:54.59 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 21:55.00 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 21:55.05 | TodPunk | I'm not joking. |
| 21:55.08 | frostyfrog | He's not joking |
| 21:55.08 | TodPunk | In the slightest. |
| 21:55.09 | jlp_znc | how do you feel about moving to Barbados? |
| 21:55.09 | aeryndunham | I DID get that horrible nodejs thing running |
| 21:55.15 | aeryndunham | it's still running! perfectly! |
| 21:55.15 | TodPunk | I fucking HATE that our industry is like this. |
| 21:55.30 | aeryndunham | I don't like using Bootstrap but I can |
| 21:55.36 | TodPunk | and I reserved that curse because I know eightyeight doesn't like it used casually here |
| 21:55.39 | aeryndunham | I can use Sass (to an extent) |
| 21:56.03 | TodPunk | I feel simply far stronger than even that can express that we're here |
| 21:56.49 | jlp_znc | or Utah? We're looking for a front end dev with React.js and/or Node.js |
| 21:57.04 | jlp_znc | and a UI/UX designer if that's more your speed |
| 21:57.06 | TodPunk | I recently interviewed at a company here for a $120K position as a senior dev, and my boss was a contractor there a bit before that. So they talked. |
| 21:57.19 | TodPunk | I got passed up because, and I quote, "they thought I'd be really bored there" |
| 21:57.26 | TodPunk | No kidding |
| 21:57.27 | eightyeight | yeah. if we could avoid the f-bomb in the channel, that would be great |
| 21:57.47 | aeryndunham | I would love to move to Utah |
| 21:57.47 | jlp_znc | it's a family channel, after all. |
| 21:57.54 | TodPunk | eightyeight: no, you said you didn't mind it occasionally where appropriate |
| 21:58.11 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:58.11 | TodPunk | it's been many moons, and this is totally appropriate occasion. |
| 21:59.16 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: what are you folks using for the other bits with your React bits |
| 21:59.48 | jlp_znc | java, scala |
| 22:00.18 | TodPunk | i meant the frontend workflow bits, like redux/flux, etc. But that backend sounds just fine, too |
| 22:00.36 | eightyeight | TodPunk: yeah. what i just said and what you just said aren't necessarily mutually exclusive |
| 22:00.38 | jlp_znc | we're looking for "Development Manager", "DevOps Engineer (mid-level)", "Blockchain Developers (prefer Ethereum, but anything is good" |
| 22:00.48 | jlp_znc | Senior devs (java, spring) |
| 22:00.52 | TodPunk | eightyeight: fair enough |
| 22:01.01 | jlp_znc | Testers/QA (manual and automation) |
| 22:01.09 | TodPunk | hahahaha, Blockchain dev |
| 22:01.10 | jlp_znc | I don't know all the bits on the front end |
| 22:01.11 | TodPunk | oh man |
| 22:01.13 | TodPunk | that's just awesome |
| 22:02.02 | TodPunk | Who all is going to OpenWest? |
| 22:02.04 | TodPunk | raises hand |
| 22:02.20 | aeryndunham | Ultimately I would love to find myself into some kind of tech job that is ever so slightly too hard just so I HAVE to learn. |
| 22:02.26 | jlp_znc | looks like react, redux, thunk, material-ui |
| 22:02.37 | jlp_znc | (looking at the package.json dependencies) |
| 22:03.09 | Migs | oh man, I forgot I can totally go to OpenWest now. I cancelled my vacation plans during that time. |
| 22:03.56 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: that's what we're doing with my 15 year old this summer. It's kicking his butt, but he's already quite productive. |
| 22:10.50 | jlp_znc | some of our guys are presenting at OpenWest |
| 22:12.29 | jlp_znc | Scott Overholser and Trent Larson |
| 22:13.01 | TodPunk | looks up their presentations |
| 22:15.24 | TodPunk | Trent's talk sounds interesting |
| 22:17.34 | TodPunk | aaand I'm not speaking that slot, so that's added to the short list of possibilities to attend |
| 22:26.45 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 22:27.14 | frostyfrog | That moment when you distract everyone on the call with your virtual webcam and people stop getting work done. |
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| 22:27.27 | fadein | TodPunk: I'll be at OpenWest |
| 22:27.35 | frostyfrog | Especially those people in the office |
| 22:27.56 | TodPunk | yessss |
| 22:28.00 | TodPunk | more people to openwest! |
| 22:28.05 | TodPunk | MOAR!!! |
| 22:28.50 | fadein | speaking of getting ppl to OpenWest, does anybody know if there are discount codes for students this year? |
| 22:31.22 | TodPunk | I know not |
| 22:36.40 | Migs | I don't see any student discounts |
| 22:36.53 | Migs | it's hard to budget a conference for that sort of thing |
| 22:37.40 | frostyfrog | should totally be able to go for freee :p |
| 22:37.47 | frostyfrog | kids |
| 22:38.04 | Migs | for FREEEEEEEE? |
| 22:38.10 | frostyfrog | YUUUUS! |
| 22:38.18 | frostyfrog | 4 FREEEEE~ |
| 22:47.14 | fadein | I recall there being promo codes of ~50% off for LUGs and universities in the state |
| 22:47.43 | unum | I don't think it's that much |
| 22:47.47 | unum | but you can use a lug code |
| 22:47.50 | unum | plug |
| 22:47.56 | unum | should be a valid code |
| 22:49.39 | frostyfrog | nope |
| 23:04.55 | fadein | frostyfrog: thx for checking that |
| 23:05.19 | fadein | I want to encourage some of my students to go to the conference |
| 23:05.38 | fadein | guess it's back to plain-ol' peer pressure |
| 23:11.23 | frostyfrog | peer pressure, eh? |
| 23:11.47 | frostyfrog | "Those who don't go, the whole class gets one grade lower"? Sounds cruel >_> |
