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| 16:57.37 | romanovic | k, how to handle "religious" (code standards) differences. There are a small subset of c# developers here who adhere to the new-line braces sect |
| 17:00.15 | romanovic | we don't have a documented code style guide. those adherents just assert it is convention (perhaps because it is visual studio's default auto-formatting behavior?) |
| 17:01.30 | romanovic | the existing code base falls half in one camp and half in the other. c# developers are also half and half |
| 17:05.31 | fadein | romanovic: make StyleCop a part of the build process and settle the style question with a flip of a coin in a department meeting |
| 17:06.05 | fadein | just make sure that you choose your coin such that cuddled braces win ;) |
| 17:09.06 | romanovic | yeah. it's not just an issue of personal preference anymore, IMO, with all of the new lambda functions, linq, etc. that have made our code considerably cleaner, I think cuddled braces make more sense |
| 17:11.41 | romanovic | if I un-cuddled all braces and expanded all one-liner blocks, it would look really sloppy |
| 17:13.16 | romanovic | I'll have to check out StyleCop |
| 17:21.02 | romanovic | It was blamed on my imaginary java background ("you java programmers and your new line braces"). I'm not primarily a java programmer, but I hadn't realised before that java/c# tended to lean toward different camps |
| 17:22.09 | romanovic | I've written 20x more c# in my career than java, it's just been 95% cuddled braces as the de facto agreed code style up to this point. |
| 17:30.04 | manithree | works in a java shop with a 15+ yo un-cuddle code standard |
| 17:30.33 | romanovic | :C |
| 17:31.06 | romanovic | on the topic of religious wars, https://stackoverflow.blog/2017/06/15/developers-use-spaces-make-money-use-tabs/ |
| 17:31.42 | manithree | It didn't seem like such a bad idea 15 years ago, but I ignore it in groovy, and more modern languages |
| 17:42.44 | jlp_znc | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-14/you-wont-believe-stupid-new-law-against-cash-and-bitcoin |
| 17:58.07 | beelzebob | I read that url as "developers, use spaces? Make money, use tabs!" and I was outraged. Glad the article confirms my worldview |
| 17:59.35 | beelzebob | speaking of urls and headlines, any headline that starts with "You won't believe..." I usually thing "eh, probably not" and don't read |
| 18:15.16 | frostyfrog | finds it interesting that so many developers don't care about how big their code files are, and don't care about hitting the space button a lot :p |
| 18:17.48 | frostyfrog | `cat lib/dockercontroller.py|wc -c` 35754 `cat lib/dockercontroller.py|sed 's/ /\t/g'|wc -c` 30171. And that's a fairly conservative file. Doesn't have too much complexity, and yet... Spaces adds 5583 characters more than when tabs are used. |
| 18:20.09 | frostyfrog | (conservative as in, there isn't too much code complexity) |
| 18:29.16 | manithree | If you're hitting the space bar a lot, you're doing it wrong. |
| 18:34.33 | eightyeight | developers hit their spacebar a lot? sounds like they need a better editor. |
| 18:37.49 | unum | pashdown: http://www.zdnet.com/article/new-details-releasedsection-702-disclosures-intelligence-lawsuit/ blink twice if it was you ;) |
| 18:38.17 | pashdown | i can neither confirm nor deny |
| 18:50.07 | beelzebob | odd that it is news that *single* company pushed back against government surveillance |
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| 19:20.24 | pashdown | most roll over |
| 19:42.36 | frostyfrog | My old coworker would type the spaces in python files when editing them on appliances instead of just typing ":set ts=4 sw=4 sts=4" and using tabs >_> |
| 19:42.53 | frostyfrog | err... also :set et |
| 19:43.49 | TodPunk | frostyfrog, singlehandedly trying to rekindle the debate on tabs/spaces |
| 19:44.18 | frostyfrog | Basically telling vim: set softtabstop=4 shiftwidth=4 tabstop=4 expandtab |
| 19:44.19 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 19:44.32 | TodPunk | (the answer is tabs for every single thing you would want to do except multi-line alignment of nonsense, which is still arguably a tabs situation) |
| 19:44.50 | TodPunk | (but nooooo, python had to say spaces, because they're terrible) |
| 19:45.03 | frostyfrog | Eh, tabs up to the current indentation, then spaced for alignment :p |
| 19:48.11 | TodPunk | Don't try to be reasonable here. That won't start the flamewar anew and your goal will be dead before it starts |
| 19:49.42 | straya | just realize that the people who use spaces make more than you TodPunk :P |
| 20:04.53 | frostyfrog | I'm a little surprised that the C/C++ developers don't make more. |
| 20:06.18 | frostyfrog | also... where's COBOL? |
| 20:06.21 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 20:11.47 | TodPunk | Personally I'm surprised what web devs make, given the nonsense web devs produce |
| 20:15.19 | unum | it's no the quality of my code that matters, but the ability of that code to replace other employees |
| 20:35.13 | frostyfrog | If web devs make a fair amount compared to backend devs, I'm surprised. That market (from my perspective) is over-saturated. |
| 20:37.51 | frostyfrog | Just like with artists. There are so many artists, that you pretty much have to be exceptional to have a good job. (again, from my perspective) |
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| 23:17.04 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 23:18.52 | klys | glad I'm not going to dubai~ |