IRC log for #utah on 20170613

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15:26.29youtahflings scolding hot nacho cheese sauce into the channel
15:26.29jlp_zncyou mkae it home last night, SunSparc?  hopefully you are not on your bike today.
15:26.43jlp_znc/kick youtah
15:27.12jlp_zncand it's "scalding", not "scolding"... I never heard nacho cheese sauce scold anyone before.
15:27.14SunSparcjlp_znc: I did. A bit of a headwind, but not too bad. Yeah, decided to drive today.
15:27.50SunSparc~scold youtah
15:27.51infobotyells bad youtah and slaps his/her hands with a ruler
15:28.22jlp_znchmmm, that response could be improved
15:28.39SunSparcinfobot: improve your responses
15:29.41youtahlol
15:32.40youtahflings scalding and scolding hot nacho cheese sauce into the channel all over everyone
15:35.20strayasmacks youtah
15:44.56spangborn_I just had a very LOL moment
15:45.12spangborn_I had a very minor bugfix in a PR that was supposed to go into a release last week
15:45.14strayabut did you actually lol?
15:45.22spangborn_I just looked, everyone approved it, but nobody merged it. lol
15:45.31spangborn_Sooooo now it's going in next release
15:45.58jlp_zncI hate it when that happens
15:46.06jlp_zncfailure of the process!
15:46.42jlp_zncshouldn't you have merged it when it got approved?  or do you have a mergemaster whose responsibility it is to merge all the things?
15:47.07spangborn_I don't have merge powers for release branch
15:47.09jlp_znc(we had that at cadence... all merges were done by the team technical manager)
15:47.14spangborn_One of our tech leads had to do it
15:47.19spangborn_and my tech lead is incompetent
15:47.21jlp_zncwhoops
15:47.29jlp_zncyep, that'll do it
15:47.44spangborn_Thankfully it's a really minor change and nobody will notice.
15:48.01spangborn_I changed away from using a deprecated jQuery method to a non-deprecated one
15:48.10spangborn_And everyone consuming our stuff is using old jQuery right now anyway
15:52.11youtahJust so ya'll know
15:52.22youtahsudp doesn't work the same way that sudo does
15:53.30brycemlneither does suod, I use that one a lot.
15:53.51brycemlon some of my machines it's an alias for sudo
15:53.57youtahlol
15:54.11spangborn_sudo su works though
15:54.21spangborn_It's like sudoku, but with an s and a space
15:54.33youtahsudo apt-get install sudp
15:54.50youtahI use sudo su - all the time
15:55.07spangborn_I use it when I want to get yelled at for being root
15:55.08youtahALLL the time. Just because it makes jima uneasy
15:55.22spangborn_I AM gROOT
15:55.27youtahLOL
15:55.51youtahis setting up a test PPTP server...
15:55.57youtah*snores*
15:56.11spangborn_Isn't PPTP v insecure
15:56.16youtahvery
15:56.25spangborn_Are you pentesting it
15:56.48youtahEeeets for testing
15:56.57youtahAFK Meeting
15:59.19TodPunkuses root all the time
15:59.35TodPunksince I need to do most things /as/ root, I don't want to prepend sudo to everything
16:00.10TodPunkNot like sudo is going to make me think a whole lot harder about the commands I'm running
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16:07.55frostyfroguses `sudo -i` whenever they need to do administrative work. Something about root read only directories and such...
16:08.47jlp_zncsudo bash is my favorite command
16:09.10jlp_zncthen, at linkedin, they took that away from us.  we had to get creative.
16:09.29jlp_zncsudo vi, followed by :sh<RET> did the trick, though.
16:10.24spangborn_lol
16:10.33spangborn_These are the kind of things I get yelled at for
16:10.51spangborn_I also got yelled at for using "Run Elevated" to give myself local admin access on my Windows box via "cmd"
16:11.07spangborn_(They don't let us run things as admin on our boxes)
16:12.05jlp_zncthose security goobs.  sheesh.
16:12.34spangborn_lol and there's some sort of automated detection system
16:12.40spangborn_That's why I got yelled at :)
16:18.12frostyfrogI wonder if they'd be happy if they didn't have local admin on their own boxes xD
16:18.28jlp_zncI'm sure they would.
16:18.34jlp_zncthat's just the kind of goobs they are.
16:48.39frostyfrogFound this interesting: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/06/printer-tracking-dots-back-news
16:49.01leviHuh, I hadn't realized FTDI designed their own CPU core.
16:49.23frostyfrogHuh?
16:49.39frostyfroggoogles.
16:50.23leviFT32 is the core name, it's in their FT90x series of chips.
16:50.41frostyfrogThere's also this, apparently. http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FTDI/FT908L-T/?qs=cGEy3R83DS%2FVQugMminMyw%3D%3D&gclid=Cj0KEQjwmv7JBRDXkMWW4_Tf8ZoBEiQA11B2fs3xpANJDssLLVgpVyLcYSN__auxIVb0Ept0uJW1zoYaAsw58P8HAQ
16:52.26leviThat falls in the FT90x series.
16:53.09frostyfrogA lot cheaper and a lot slower than mainstream desktop/server CPUs, it seems. But still, that's an interesting find, levi.
16:53.31leviThey previously used 8051-compatible cores, so any 32-bit architecture is a big step up in usability for today's programmers. :)
16:54.20levifrostyfrog: It's not remotely like today's desktop/server CPUs, and it would be far less useful if it was.
16:54.29frostyfrogyup
16:55.43frostyfrogBut for integrated electronics, I'm sure that it's a different story.
16:55.46leviToday's desktop/server CPUs are horrible monstrosities with extremely unpredictable performance and insane complexity.
16:58.39frostyfrogI won't disagree with you there. However, they are currently fast and that's what people care about. It'll take a fair amount of time (from my understanding) before any other CPU architectures can compete. (Take ARM for instance. Getting faster, but still not catching up with Intel or AMD)
16:59.41leviWell, it's what some people care about, but they're mostly wrong.
17:07.16manithreelevi: but does it run linux?
17:07.20manithreeIt has 256k
17:07.37leviI sure hope not.
17:07.45spangborn_https://www.reddit.com/r/jquery/comments/6gyqxv/how_can_i_access_a_dynamically_generated_element//
17:07.48spangborn_lol @ this PHP
17:08.26leviLinux is also a horrible monstrosity with extremely unpredictable performance and insane complexity. :P
17:08.44leviSo it makes a fine pair with x86.
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17:16.33manithree100ma at idle
17:16.47manithreeOops, 100 mA doing ethernet transfer
17:23.38leviWell, that's annoying. They don't make their CPU architecture manual available in their online docs, despite publishing an open source GNU toolchain and including an assembler manual (which doesn't include any opcodes, just basic syntax).
17:52.39leviAnother interesting thing is that NXP made a $36 dev board for the MCP5748G, which is a processor I used for a work project recently.
17:53.29leviIt uses Power architecture cores, although with a variant that has a variable-length instruction encoding.
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18:37.03frostyfrogspangborn_: "Not really." TL Note: Means that it's only slightly better but still really crummy and ugly.
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21:04.33youtah~nachos
21:04.33infobotschweet.
21:08.37youtahUbuntu by default, out of the box, only supports PPTP?!?!?!
21:08.50spangborn_lol
21:09.13spangborn_Marginally more useful than oVPN
21:09.21spangborn_But significantly less secure
21:09.21youtahralphs all over
21:13.16youtahZee fix https://launchpad.net/~nm-l2tp/+archive/ubuntu/network-manager-l2tp
22:51.21SunSparcinfobot: bye
22:51.21infobotl8tr
22:54.13jlp_znc~nacho youtah
22:54.19jlp_znc:-(
22:54.31jlp_znc~middleman
22:54.31infobotSweet Molly Brown!
23:26.42jlp_zncinfobot: nacho $n is <action>(sprays scalding hot nacho cheese sauce all over $n)
23:26.42infobotokay, jlp_znc
23:26.47jlp_znc~nacho youtah
23:26.47infobotACTION (sprays scalding hot nacho cheese sauce all over youtah)
23:27.07jlp_zncinfobot: no, nacho $n is <action>sprays scalding hot nacho cheese sauce all over $n
23:27.07infobotokay, jlp_znc
23:27.11jlp_znc~nacho youtah
23:27.11infobotACTION sprays scalding hot nacho cheese sauce all over youtah

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