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| 02:42.11 | romanovic | ended up creating an account with 1password. |
| 02:42.56 | romanovic | Seemed like the easiest with a service plan specifically targeting families, aside from other pro/team features |
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| 14:32.10 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 15:00.37 | youtah | Huh |
| 15:00.49 | youtah | getting Certificate errors from Camp Williams website |
| 15:02.06 | spangborn_ | youtah: it's because their cert isn't valid for www. |
| 15:02.21 | youtah | and their server is slower than snot |
| 15:13.16 | beelzebob | The "Developer Accidentally Deletes Production Database On Their First Day On The Job" slashdot article is interesting (although it is a reference to a 5 day old qz article, about a 9 day old reddit thread) |
| 15:13.58 | beelzebob | "Basically i had to run a little python script that seems to provision me an instance of postgresql (i am assuming on some virtual machine). While that tool was fine, and it did output me a url and credentials. However instead of using those values, i stupidly used the example values the setup document (which apparently point to production), when editing the config file for the application i would be working on. |
| 15:14.07 | beelzebob | " |
| 15:14.42 | beelzebob | poor guy - a victim of a horrible environment |
| 15:16.22 | beelzebob | prod creds in a setup document given to new hires? with a note "run a script and use the values there instead of THE PROD CONNECTION SETTINGS IN THIS DOCUMENT" boggles the mind |
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| 15:27.12 | TodPunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:27.32 | spangborn_ | Prod credentials in a document are LOL to begin with |
| 15:27.33 | TodPunk | youtah: did you go to the coffee thing at TM yesterday? |
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| 16:52.57 | youtah | I did |
| 16:53.04 | youtah | it was disappointing |
| 16:53.17 | youtah | Several people showed up in their church clothes, took food, and left. |
| 16:56.02 | jlp_znc | https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2002991-it-on-fleek-12-slang-tech-terms-that-aren-t-a-thing-yet |
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| 18:14.41 | TodPunk | youtah: wtf? |
| 18:15.06 | TodPunk | Like, what was the goal for that behavior? Free food, so yay? |
| 18:15.22 | TodPunk | Were they at least all individuals, or did someone bring a crew and eat and leave? |
| 18:18.31 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: you should feel ashamed of yourself for exposing us to that |
| 18:54.54 | jlp_znc | If you think that was bad, look at this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpB9NbPNNhE |
| 18:55.33 | youtah | TodPunk, the goal was to get people to come and mingle and meet the neighbors |
| 18:55.55 | youtah | but I think some are so freaking cheap and stingy that they want the free food |
| 18:58.17 | spangborn_ | Free food is great |
| 18:58.19 | spangborn_ | Where is it? |
| 18:58.28 | TodPunk | I'm cheap and stingy, but I'll live in TM of all places. |
| 18:58.56 | TodPunk | TM isn't like rich or upscale or anything (especially not like they /think/ they are) but good lord there are cheaper places to live all over |
| 18:59.21 | spangborn_ | Like under downtown SLC underpasses |
| 19:01.18 | joshh | what's TM? |
| 19:01.44 | spangborn_ | Trash Mountain |
| 19:01.46 | spangborn_ | Er, Traverse Mountain |
| 19:01.52 | youtah | we're not talking about your mom |
| 19:02.03 | youtah | we're talking about Traverse Mountain |
| 19:02.13 | spangborn_ | Well my mom won't give you cancer from the silica sands |
| 19:02.20 | joshh | i've heard that called south mountain and traverse ridge, but never traverse mountain, if it's the mountain i remember |
| 19:02.43 | youtah | which apparently has like a 1 mile radius in high winds |
| 19:03.17 | spangborn_ | Aw yisssss |
| 19:07.48 | jlp_znc | joshh, traverse mountain is on the south side |
| 19:31.07 | unum | if you live in draper it's south mountain |
| 19:31.18 | unum | if you live in lehi I gues it's traverse mountain |
| 19:31.27 | spangborn_ | Lehi should call it North Mountain |
| 19:33.51 | unum | someone in Lehi wanted to get people out to meet each other so they did a coffee thing on sunday? |
| 19:34.23 | unum | that's almost as bad as the salt lake county democrats |
| 19:34.59 | unum | they have a let's drink wine on Sunday thing |
| 19:35.22 | unum | host at the bottom of south mountain |
| 19:36.24 | jlp_znc | has to agree with unum on this one |
| 19:37.31 | spangborn_ | Traverse Mountain seems like a great place to have your house burn down |
| 19:37.35 | spangborn_ | almost like the homes in Herriman |
| 19:38.25 | jlp_znc | heh, reminds me of a friend who bought a new house... someone asked him if he was getting earthquake insurance. |
| 19:38.33 | jlp_znc | he responded "nope, if it shakes, it bakes." |
| 19:42.49 | TodPunk | Lehi should call it Full Of Themselves |
| 19:43.09 | TodPunk | At the very least the louder voices in the communities certainly are |
| 19:44.03 | TodPunk | recalls TM being upset that a Walmart would dare think of building near them, and instead suggested a Trader Joes |
| 19:44.50 | TodPunk | unum: it was actually a meet-and-greet specifically for the neighbors in the area that weren't LDS (and if you were LDS you were welcome to come meet the rest of them as well) |
| 19:45.16 | TodPunk | largely because they seem to get overlooked a lot |
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| 19:55.54 | youtah | <spangborn_> Lehi should call it North Mountain <<< I tried making this a thing once, I gave up |
| 19:56.41 | TodPunk | you don't exactly have a lot of social sway, especially on that social front |
| 19:57.36 | youtah | of course I do |
| 19:57.41 | youtah | I just dont share that sway with you |
| 20:03.25 | TodPunk | I see, now all becomes clear |
| 20:04.08 | TodPunk | In other news, I'm sad to see the gathering was disappointing. I saw positives from others on the Facebook pages. Was it just the peeps mooching that annoyed you? |
| 20:04.38 | spangborn_ | I wish youtah had less social sway, tbh |
| 20:08.12 | unum | TodPunk: aahh that makes a lot of sense |
| 20:09.15 | TodPunk | thinks he needs to do that sunday starbucks thing in the next week or two |
| 20:18.17 | keldwud | what gathering? |
| 20:19.57 | spangborn_ | Magic |
| 20:20.08 | keldwud | heh |
| 20:22.16 | youtah | TodPunk, but in answer to your question... the Brunch meetup had probably 70-80 people show up. |
| 20:22.39 | TodPunk | That's a good turnout |
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| 21:03.17 | eightyeight | so, i jumped out of a plane friday: https://youtu.be/lfpQ9eEoJgQ |
| 21:11.31 | TodPunk | looks slightly painful (I read the description, yes) |
| 21:13.05 | levi | My dad used to jump out of planes as part of his job; that cured me of the desire to do it myself, I guess. |
| 21:18.54 | joshh | unum: well for the democrats it wasn't likely to be an actual problem, but was the coffee thing for a more general group from the area? |
| 21:19.46 | joshh | nm i finished reading |
| 21:20.09 | joshh | it is funny weird how in utah even something like coffee can be considered a social test |
| 21:20.41 | unum | joshh: the democrats supposedly want to be a relevant party in Utah, but insist on excluding the vast majority of voters from their gatherings |
| 21:20.42 | joshh | i wonder why the church ever decided to ban it anyway (but not hot chocolate) |
| 21:21.10 | joshh | i heard they all discussed what "hot drinks" meant and came up with that, but still i wonder how that meeting went |
| 21:21.38 | joshh | they probably just wanted to get some money from drinkers for a day |
| 21:21.51 | joshh | rather than looking at it as a thing to build their community |
| 21:21.59 | TodPunk | joshh: it was looked at as a social vice at the time |
| 21:22.57 | TodPunk | the historic context in which the discussion took place is more interesting to me than the isolated discussion itself |
| 21:22.58 | joshh | everywhere? |
| 21:23.18 | TodPunk | no, primarily the protestant US communities |
| 21:23.33 | TodPunk | less so the South oddly |
| 21:23.45 | TodPunk | then again a lot of social vices of the rest of the country were often not so in the South |
| 21:23.49 | eightyeight | TodPunk: despite the pain, it was a lot of fun, and i'd do it again, although with extra padding around the tenders |
| 21:24.04 | eightyeight | levi: was your dad a paratrooper? |
| 21:25.22 | joshh | being a paratrooper seems like one of the ultra adventure jobs out there, but it seems like a high percentage of them break legs/land in power lines/get shot/drown/etc when landing and even in training the risk of dying or losing your career is very high, just seems too far on the crazy side imo |
| 21:25.28 | TodPunk | unum: a lot of Democrats in Utah seem to be anti-LDS, like, actively opposed to the organization as a whole. I get that there's nuance to this in some cases, but the perception/packaging is hard to get right |
| 21:25.48 | joshh | not to mention the insane amount of pushups and running :P |
| 21:26.33 | TodPunk | wants to be a Vexille style paratrooper |
| 21:26.53 | TodPunk | powered armor > parachutes and your legs |
| 21:27.37 | joshh | TodPunk: definitely, there's very much a "they hate us and we hate them too" thing going on there. the people i know in SF actually talk much more kindly of mormons than all the people i was friends with in SLC, and mostly consider them really nice people who happen to be kinda nutty and politically anti-gay, but forgivable for that |
| 21:28.00 | TodPunk | aye |
| 21:28.57 | joshh | the sltrib comments are basically identical to how "no mormons around" conversations would often go, which is sad |
| 21:28.59 | TodPunk | I've been talking with youtah about our coffee meetup group. I'm thinking about starting another gathering and being clear about "if you want support in leaving the church, this isn't your group. This group is for those that couldn't care less about the LDS church either way, like normal not-LDS people are. Just people." |
| 21:29.05 | spangborn_ | Looks fun, eightyeight |
| 21:29.32 | eightyeight | it was |
| 21:29.50 | TodPunk | Ideally we can get some actual coffee tasting going, too, but that's difficult in Lehi. Starbucks is our best option. |
| 21:30.17 | spangborn_ | Might as well just make coffee from the ashes of the houses built up against the mountain |
| 21:30.49 | joshh | i like coffee and good coffee shops quite a bit, but imo all of "good" ones are basically very similar/equal in quality. it's totally different from a lot of other things with more variation |
| 21:31.43 | TodPunk | agreed |
| 21:32.14 | TodPunk | In Lehi, though, we have Beans and Brew, who has no idea what beans they're using, Starbucks, and whatever a given restaurant happens to have made in their drip machine. |
| 21:32.23 | eightyeight | our drip makes fantastic coffee. the water:grounds ratio is perfect |
| 21:32.30 | eightyeight | and we order great rosts |
| 21:32.31 | joshh | restaurant coffee is almost always awful |
| 21:32.33 | eightyeight | *roasts |
| 21:32.42 | joshh | although tolerable at breakfast places where you're tired |
| 21:32.55 | TodPunk | I talked to my Starbucks baristas and they're all willing to make a bunch of pourover samplers for the group and I can get a tasting going. |
| 21:33.21 | TodPunk | eightyeight: is this at your office? |
| 21:33.25 | eightyeight | yeah |
| 21:33.32 | TodPunk | ah, yes |
| 21:33.38 | eightyeight | not too strong, not too weak. and the flavor is great. |
| 21:33.55 | eightyeight | the past few churches i've visited that have coffee have always been far too weak |
| 21:34.13 | spangborn_ | eightyeight: haha my church is just the opposite |
| 21:34.23 | eightyeight | which church? |
| 21:34.27 | spangborn_ | Capital Church |
| 21:34.42 | spangborn_ | I can't drink the drip coffee on Saturday nights because I'm left wired the entire night |
| 21:35.12 | spangborn_ | It's great for Sunday morning though :) |
| 21:35.47 | eightyeight | i've been mostly attending the alpine church in layton, and it's hit-and-miss |
| 21:35.52 | eightyeight | usually though, it's too watery |
| 21:36.00 | TodPunk | My church has excellent coffee. It's my balcony, and I am the barista. |
| 21:36.07 | eightyeight | hah |
| 21:36.08 | spangborn_ | TodPunk: Church of the beautiful sunrise? |
| 21:36.16 | eightyeight | the church of one |
| 21:36.23 | TodPunk | Technically I can only see the sunset from the balcony. |
| 21:36.34 | spangborn_ | Oh, well that puts a damper on things |
| 21:36.42 | TodPunk | Church of the no pants sunset. |
| 21:36.57 | spangborn_ | I'm all on board with no pants, but only if the congregation is strictly limited |
| 21:37.15 | TodPunk | We're very choosy about our members and the meetings we hold. |
| 21:37.19 | unum | TodPunk: you're right a lot of democrats are anti-lds, but you would think they would be capable of basic math |
| 21:37.28 | TodPunk | unum: no I wouldn't. |
| 21:37.30 | joshh | they don't actually have any hope there |
| 21:37.37 | TodPunk | I have very low bars for my expectations of an average human |
| 21:37.39 | joshh | so they just commiserate |
| 21:37.48 | unum | TodPunk: Ok, I'm dumb enough to think they would be capable |
| 21:37.57 | TodPunk | just hopeful enough, not dumb |
| 21:37.58 | straya | so whats this coffee group? I want to get coffee with people |
| 21:39.05 | TodPunk | straya: some sundays youtah and I get together for coffee, with some other Lehi people, though there's a few other groups that used to meet at the same space and now the "post-mormon" group got kicked out of Harmons so we're at the Beans and Brew which is terrible coffee |
| 21:39.34 | TodPunk | so probably Sunday we'll meet at 12:30 at the Starbucks in Smiths or something. Details are not decided yet. |
| 21:39.54 | eightyeight | in lehi? |
| 21:39.56 | straya | oh ok |
| 21:39.56 | TodPunk | and it will be very not post-mormon or anything-else-mormon |
| 21:40.02 | TodPunk | eightyeight: yeah |
| 21:40.07 | straya | sounds good |
| 21:40.08 | eightyeight | bummer |
| 21:40.11 | spangborn_ | Does youtah actually drink coffee? |
| 21:40.22 | eightyeight | i would join, but too far of a drive, unfortunately |
| 21:40.27 | joshh | wat, kicked out of harmons? |
| 21:40.35 | straya | ^^ how? |
| 21:40.43 | TodPunk | eightyeight: if you get to Lehi station I'll pick you up =cP Bring the fam, we'll grill for dinner. |
| 21:40.54 | eightyeight | hah |
| 21:41.02 | straya | eightyeight: where are you again? |
| 21:41.11 | eightyeight | syracuse |
| 21:41.11 | spangborn_ | FR doesn't run on Sundays ;p |
| 21:41.19 | TodPunk | joshh: yeah, and of course everyone's all "CONSPIRACY!!!" but it's probably more like "you were all idiots and just let your kids run wild while bitching about the LDS Church for hours" |
| 21:41.20 | straya | spangborn_: to everyone's dismay :( |
| 21:41.41 | TodPunk | spangborn_: wat? |
| 21:41.56 | straya | TodPunk: the frontrunner doesn't run on sundays. |
| 21:42.03 | TodPunk | I gathered that |
| 21:42.07 | TodPunk | Just... wow... |
| 21:42.15 | straya | huge pain in the butt |
| 21:42.15 | TodPunk | Utah is such a weird hole right now |
| 21:42.25 | spangborn_ | Yeah, public transit is kinda stuck |
| 21:42.30 | spangborn_ | Between not having funding, and not having ridership |
| 21:42.31 | straya | I've had several flights come in on sunday and I was forced to park and pay because I can't do the frontrunner like normal, super fucking annoying |
| 21:42.42 | straya | spangborn_: very good point |
| 21:42.45 | spangborn_ | Chicken/egg problem |
| 21:42.46 | TodPunk | I mean, I'll take it over Missouri, but could they get their fucking act together already and not be "LDS: the State Government" |
| 21:42.57 | joshh | straya: how far do you go from the airport? |
| 21:43.12 | straya | joshh: PG |
| 21:43.23 | straya | there is a bus |
| 21:43.25 | straya | I think |
| 21:43.50 | straya | that I could probably figure out, but it runs either so rarely or has serious reliability issues that I'd rather just have the confidence in driving |
| 21:43.53 | joshh | kinda far for a uber/lyft i guess |
| 21:44.03 | joshh | though not too bad |
| 21:44.06 | straya | joshh: I ubered home once, it was ~$70 |
| 21:44.13 | TodPunk | so, eightyeight, bring the fam to my house, I'll take /you/ to coffee while the women folk meet and the kids play in the soccer field behind my house or vidjamagames, then we'll go and grill. |
| 21:44.18 | spangborn_ | $70 uber |
| 21:44.19 | spangborn_ | jeez |
| 21:44.25 | eightyeight | haha |
| 21:44.33 | straya | but people are taking them cause UTA is so bad |
| 21:44.40 | joshh | sounds like the best bro night ever |
| 21:44.58 | spangborn_ | Am I still going to die if I go ride my bike outside right now? |
| 21:45.04 | straya | no |
| 21:45.05 | TodPunk | prolly |
| 21:45.08 | eightyeight | yes |
| 21:45.11 | spangborn_ | It was v windy |
| 21:45.17 | straya | I was just outside, wasn't too bad |
| 21:45.20 | straya | but I'm further south |
| 21:45.28 | eightyeight | even if you don't ride your bike outside right now, you'll still die |
| 21:45.33 | spangborn_ | Oh it's died down, now |
| 21:45.37 | spangborn_ | eightyeight: Fair point |
| 21:45.53 | TodPunk | he has a good point, but I still wouldn't risk it |
| 21:45.58 | spangborn_ | Maybe I won't have to water my lawn tonight |
| 21:46.11 | straya | I don't think its going to rain tonight |
| 21:46.13 | straya | maybe tomorrow though |
| 21:49.57 | spangborn_ | WU says storms at 8:45 possible |
| 21:50.04 | spangborn_ | https://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=SALT%20LAKE%20CITY,%20UT |
| 21:50.41 | spangborn_ | Doesn't look like much, though |
| 23:23.59 | SunSparc | gets ready to commute home on his bike... |
| 23:24.03 | SunSparc | Hoping for a tailwind... |
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