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| 03:34.09 | romanovic | aeryndunham: graphics driver? that happens to me every time I get any debian update that involves graphics. whatever delicate knife-edge balance my driver rests upon is blown away and I have to fix it every time |
| 03:34.54 | romanovic | mint on the other hand has always handled such upgrades gracefully. both machines use nvidia graphics |
| 03:35.41 | romanovic | probably no big deal for a linux expert to set right, but I only do it once or twice per year, and I always forget what I did the last time |
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| 15:35.00 | aeryndunham | romanovic: My missing titlebar problem ended up being something really stupid :p |
| 15:37.03 | spangborn_ | How stupid are we talking? |
| 15:37.49 | spangborn_ | Like "I went for a three hour bike ride without sunscreen" stupid? |
| 15:38.03 | aeryndunham | It was so annoying, I checked log files, nothing. Tried kwin --replace, nothing. Reinstalled nvidia drivers, nothing. Turns out it was as stupidly simple as changing window decorations, because apparently the custom-downloaded ones haven't caught up with KDE Neon 5.10.0 or something. The default Breeze ones work just fine. |
| 16:23.59 | straya | heh |
| 16:24.09 | straya | so lets be a little bit more specific about something |
| 16:24.14 | straya | KDE Neon != Desktop |
| 16:24.16 | straya | KDE Neon is a distro |
| 16:24.23 | straya | Plasma is what the decorations haven't caught up with yet |
| 16:24.39 | straya | I was a little confused first time you talked about it :P |
| 16:25.03 | spangborn_ | KDE = garbage |
| 16:25.04 | spangborn_ | FTFY |
| 16:25.27 | straya | I like KDE on one of my desktops |
| 16:25.30 | straya | its garbage on HiDPI though |
| 16:25.39 | straya | all my computers have different windows managers |
| 16:25.51 | straya | one runs Gnome 3, another KDE, another DWM, and another MATE |
| 16:32.14 | frostyfrog | Consistency at work :p |
| 16:32.46 | spangborn_ | TIL straya is a masochist |
| 16:32.57 | straya | why? |
| 16:33.15 | straya | I don't think I am |
| 16:33.23 | spangborn_ | Four different window managers |
| 16:33.28 | frostyfrog | No.. |
| 16:33.40 | frostyfrog | Javascript devs are masochists. |
| 16:33.44 | spangborn_ | Also, voluntarily using KDE |
| 16:34.06 | spangborn_ | frostyfrog: gotta work with the web you've got, not the web you want |
| 16:34.25 | straya | I want the web without javascript. |
| 16:34.29 | straya | or at least without node |
| 16:34.35 | straya | I want to go back to DHTML |
| 16:34.35 | frostyfrog | spangborn: you talking about switching web frameworks and tools for nearly every project? |
| 16:34.51 | spangborn_ | I don't, thankfully :) |
| 16:35.11 | frostyfrog | re KDE: Set once and forget is a valid explanation. |
| 16:35.18 | spangborn_ | But it's also almost like different frameworks have different strengths |
| 16:35.24 | spangborn_ | So you use the right tool for the job :) |
| 16:35.30 | straya | yeah but maybe you could not make a crappy framework for once lol |
| 16:36.33 | spangborn_ | That's why you use a framework not write your own :) |
| 16:36.44 | spangborn_ | I have no need or time to spend reinventing the wheel |
| 16:37.02 | straya | but thats all JS devs do |
| 16:37.03 | frostyfrog | Well, that's like saying that you'll use cakephp, then CI, then XXX, then relearn how to use Cake, etc. etc. |
| 16:37.27 | frostyfrog | Too much relearning. |
| 16:37.45 | frostyfrog | At least C++ mainly has boost... |
| 16:37.51 | spangborn_ | Clearly not, considering I'm a JS dev and I don't :) |
| 16:38.29 | frostyfrog | doesn't know JS frameworks and so they used PHP ones in their example. |
| 16:38.36 | straya | frostyfrog: my car has boost too |
| 16:39.28 | frostyfrog | straya: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FiFMKR3LGc |
| 16:40.07 | straya | boost is gigantic though, which is frustrating occasionally |
| 16:40.27 | frostyfrog | agrees. |
| 16:41.43 | frostyfrog | My point was, there are a lot more frameworks for JS then C++ (I could probably count the C++ ones on my hand. The JS ones? I need more hands.) |
| 16:42.23 | straya | php has framework overload too |
| 16:42.27 | straya | hi Zend how are you today |
| 16:42.54 | straya | I wouldn't even say boost is a framework, more like an extension to the standard library |
| 16:43.03 | straya | whereas the JS stdlib is so bad you *MUST* use extensions |
| 16:43.58 | spangborn_ | Well there's clearly more web development going on than C++ development |
| 16:43.58 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 17:27.25 | TodPunk | spangborn_: what? Who says you don't work with the web you want? What the hell do you think all these toolchains and framework bullshit makers are trying to do? |
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| 17:28.32 | TodPunk | grumbles about import statements in JS and webpack nonsense |
| 17:30.17 | TodPunk | straya: I'd say boost is a library. Because it is. |
| 17:30.29 | straya | lol yeah |
| 17:35.05 | frostyfrog | Fair point :p |
| 17:50.21 | frostyfrog | Hmm... Now I have to wonder IF there are any real C++ frameworks at all... |
| 17:50.43 | TodPunk | wxWidgets maybe |
| 17:50.54 | frostyfrog | (based on this description of a framwork https://stackoverflow.com/a/15600924) |
| 17:51.47 | TodPunk | for the code you write, yes |
| 17:51.54 | TodPunk | but it's all pragmas and macros and stuff |
| 17:52.06 | TodPunk | QT maybe also applies |
| 18:27.18 | aeryndunham | Dangit, I just took an online transcription test and I failed by 1 point |
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| 19:15.59 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: transcription test? |
| 19:16.05 | frostyfrog | are there retakes? |
| 19:30.43 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I can do it again with different audio if I want |
| 19:31.27 | frostyfrog | Ooooh! |
| 19:31.34 | frostyfrog | That kind of transcription |
| 19:31.44 | frostyfrog | was thinking medical transcriptions. |
| 19:32.25 | youtah | Installing the Sonos Player in Wine was not a good idea |
| 19:32.33 | youtah | watches all the things break |
| 19:33.15 | aeryndunham | eyyyy I upgraded Ghost and didn't break anything! |
| 19:33.20 | youtah | "would you like to install Microsoft .NET Framework *.* and every other possible dependency in the world?" |
| 19:34.44 | youtah | "fixme:ntdll:NtLockFile I/O completion on lock not implemented yet" |
| 19:35.10 | frostyfrog | Oh dear :s |
| 19:36.34 | youtah | guess I'll try the development release instead of stable |
| 19:36.38 | youtah | crosses fingers |
| 19:37.41 | youtah | frostyfrog, it was nice to see your brother come to the meeting yesterday. How'd he like it? |
| 19:37.50 | youtah | Hopefully my presentation wasn't too boring |
| 20:02.02 | frostyfrog | Oh, no. It wasn't boring at all :) |
| 20:03.08 | frostyfrog | My brother likes attending the meetings. I think it may be because he gets to see mac jedi though. Not sure. |
| 20:06.39 | frostyfrog | youtah: I think the best part about the presentation, was the discussion after it because there was so much information that couldn't be covered in the presentation due to time restraints, etc. Besides that, it was a good presentation. The video was a great touch that helped explain the path to take (though most would forget, I'm sure) |
| 20:06.39 | aeryndunham | I really should get Ghost set up locally so I can stop testing my design changes in production :p |
| 20:07.02 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: I've got a GIF for that. *goes to dig for it* |
| 20:07.18 | spangborn_ | breaks youtah's computer |
| 20:07.44 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: http://imgur.com/vWkPc1m |
| 20:08.42 | aeryndunham | hahaha |
| 20:09.00 | aeryndunham | I understand that this is bad practice, really |
| 20:09.17 | aeryndunham | But I'm just making minor CSS changes on a site nobody else looks at anyway :p |
| 20:11.10 | Migs | https://www.facebook.com/midnightpulp/videos/vb.455105494502215/1600324256646994/?type=3&theater |
| 20:15.43 | aeryndunham | hmm I'm playing with fonts today but I hate everything |
| 20:15.46 | aeryndunham | it's a struggle |
| 20:21.33 | frostyfrog | looks at it. Then again, I care about the content. |
| 20:21.54 | frostyfrog | nice header font, BTW |
| 20:24.44 | frostyfrog | resists urge to give negative thought's on site. |
| 20:26.10 | frostyfrog | The last font was pretty good for your menu in the top right, IMHO |
| 20:26.16 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: ^ |
| 20:26.31 | aeryndunham | I changed the menu font back |
| 20:26.33 | aeryndunham | to what it was |
| 20:26.35 | aeryndunham | originally |
| 20:26.42 | aeryndunham | all I've changed now is the post content font |
| 20:27.07 | aeryndunham | and fixed the couple things that were broken |
| 20:29.23 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Not sure if this will help, but I thought I'd share. https://designschool.canva.com/blog/the-ultimate-guide-to-font-pairing/ |
| 20:29.42 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I've looked at that stuff, doesn't help too much |
| 20:35.38 | jlp_znc | ~middleman |
| 20:35.38 | infobot | Hold the onions! |
| 20:35.45 | jlp_znc | there's the solution |
| 20:38.17 | jlp_znc | (I'm not sure what the problem is, but that's the solution.) |
| 20:38.21 | jlp_znc | ~moss |
| 20:38.21 | infobot | Did you see that ludicrous display last night? |
| 20:38.25 | jlp_znc | ~richmond |
| 20:38.26 | infobot | Last night I was stirred from my slumber by a crow calling three times. Caw... caw... well you know what a crow sounds like. |
| 20:51.49 | frostyfrog | infobot: they sound like cats, right? |
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| 22:42.50 | Migs | wtf, I missed RED in March. I didn't even know they had a concert in SLC. |
| 22:42.53 | Migs | I'm so emo now. |
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| 22:49.14 | spangborn_ | I guess you could say you're BLUE now |
| 22:49.19 | spangborn_ | Or that you BLUE it |
| 22:50.53 | Migs | nice |
| 22:51.04 | Migs | I'm GREEN with envy for all the people who went |
| 22:53.24 | Migs | I bet it was quite the HUE-tenanny |
| 22:54.04 | spangborn_ | ORANGE you glad I didn't go |
| 22:59.04 | Migs | that's kind of a GRAY area |
| 23:01.14 | Migs | Usually spotify lets me know when there's a concert coming up, but not this time. I find that unPALETTEable. |
| 23:02.01 | Migs | It's a VIOLETion of my trust |
| 23:02.23 | Migs | Someone needs to bring this PURPLEtrator to justice. |
| 23:02.34 | Migs | this is comedy GOLD |
| 23:02.37 | Migs | k I'm done |
| 23:09.49 | spangborn_ | lol |
| 23:10.02 | spangborn_ | You've SATURATED this channel with jokes |
| 23:10.32 | spangborn_ | The "violet" pun was the best one, imo |
| 23:11.38 | Migs | hahahaha |
| 23:11.57 | Migs | I certainly thought it was ORANGEnal |
| 23:12.22 | Migs | stahp |
| 23:13.09 | TodPunk | There's something wrong with you people. |
| 23:15.00 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 23:15.48 | Migs | go BLACK to your corner, TodPunk |
| 23:29.15 | frostyfrog | HUE just don't get us :p |
| 23:31.51 | Migs | WHITE do you think that? |
| 23:32.13 | Migs | I feel like you're just TEALing my thunder |