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| 13:19.40 | Migs | How long after you graduate high school are you not really obligated to attend a former classmate's funeral? I didn't really know her that well and I'm not sure if I should go. I mean, I haven't seen her in 20 years. |
| 13:19.49 | Migs | I was sort of thinking I should go, but then someone scheduled a meeting at the same time this week, and I didn't say anything... |
| 13:20.09 | beelzebob | how big was your high school? |
| 13:21.16 | beelzebob | I wouldn't go to a high school classmate's funeral unless I knew the person, probably even when I was attending the school |
| 13:21.48 | beelzebob | maybe if it was a small school there would be more expectation? (my school was pretty small anyway) |
| 13:22.24 | Migs | I think there were just short of 300 graduating seniors? |
| 13:23.01 | Migs | not that small |
| 13:23.03 | TodPunk | I don't think you are ever obligated to go to a funeral for someone just because you went to the same high school. I think that's possibly the stupidest guilt trip reason I have heard seriously uttered. |
| 13:23.08 | beelzebob | well, I feel 0 obligation to attend, but maybe I'm just a misanthrope |
| 13:23.11 | Migs | I think you're right. The only other people who would be there I'd even know are other classmates I haven't seen in 20 years either. |
| 13:23.36 | Migs | our high school reunion is coming up and even though they asked me to build a payment site for them and I agreed, I'm still not planning on going |
| 13:23.39 | jima | i'd only feel obligated to attend the funerals of maybe half my graduating class, but there were only 7 of us. |
| 13:23.47 | Migs | oh man |
| 13:23.51 | Migs | that IS small |
| 13:23.59 | Migs | how big was yours, beelzebob? |
| 13:24.16 | jima | suffice it to say i did not attend a mainstream high school. |
| 13:24.35 | beelzebob | eh, maybe a couple hundred |
| 13:25.12 | Migs | okay, so like me |
| 13:25.22 | Migs | oh, the whole high schol was a couple hundred? |
| 13:25.26 | Migs | or just your graduating class? |
| 13:26.20 | beelzebob | uh... |
| 13:26.23 | beelzebob | googles furiously |
| 13:26.30 | Migs | a year ago I did go to another classmate's funeral I hadn't seen in the same time, but we grew up in the same neighborhood, went to the same church, their family's a friend of our family, etc. |
| 13:26.51 | Migs | then several years before that, another one, though that felt much closer since it was only about 10 years after high school or so |
| 13:28.09 | beelzebob | I'd say graduating class |
| 13:28.24 | beelzebob | apparently the whole school is currently 814 students |
| 13:28.50 | Migs | okay. Mine was about 1500 I think |
| 13:30.13 | beelzebob | I've only been to one classmate's funeral since graduation, and I knew the guy pretty well (outside of school) |
| 13:34.40 | Migs | I only really have one friend from way back then anyway |
| 13:34.46 | Migs | and he doesn't even live around me anymore |
| 13:35.17 | beelzebob | so, do you feel less guilty about not going now? :) |
| 13:36.29 | Migs | Yeah, I do :) |
| 13:36.51 | beelzebob | awesome |
| 13:37.02 | Migs | maybe I'll just send some money to her memorial fund or something |
| 13:37.17 | Migs | she left behind two little girls :( |
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| 14:04.55 | jima | come to think of it i might have a slightly different perspective since i graduated ~1000 miles from here. |
| 14:05.57 | jima | i think memorial fund makes a lot more sense than attendance at the 20-year range, though. |
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| 14:26.07 | TodPunk | I personally think "how dare you speak to me." |
| 14:32.48 | keldwud | ok, so I just blew away my networking stack in AWS and now I'm rebuilding it (because I spent a whole day trying to troubleshoot why I couldn't reach my EC2 instances anymore). I'm going to go through a checklist and make sure I got everything. |
| 14:33.43 | keldwud | I have a gateway, it is attached to my VPC. I have a route table with an entry DEST 0.0.0.0/24 TARGET "my internet gateway"; |
| 14:34.27 | keldwud | I have a subnet attached to the route table |
| 14:35.08 | keldwud | oh wait |
| 14:35.12 | keldwud | I think I see my problem |
| 14:35.22 | keldwud | 0.0.0.0/24 should be 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 14:36.33 | keldwud | k, next. my NACL is set to allow all ICMP, 22 and 80 inbound. all those rules are 'above' the default deny rule |
| 14:38.14 | keldwud | so far so good, right? that should cover all my VPC settings I would thikn |
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| 14:48.37 | keldwud | whoops. shouldn't have blown away my subnet. looks like on the free tier, I can't get technical support to get them made defaults again. |
| 14:48.50 | keldwud | so now whenever I launch an EC2 instance, I have to go through one more step |
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| 15:05.57 | TodPunk | keldwud: why are you not using AWS security groups for this? |
| 15:06.11 | keldwud | oh I also used a security group |
| 15:06.19 | keldwud | and that was set the same as my NACL |
| 15:06.58 | TodPunk | seems redundant |
| 15:07.45 | keldwud | well the security group is attached per instance and the NACL is attached per subnet |
| 15:08.00 | keldwud | so yeah, it's redundant but I'm setting them all the same just for troubleshooting purposes |
| 15:08.42 | keldwud | my NACL will have to allow inbound 22 *and* my security group will have to allow inbound 22 |
| 15:11.45 | keldwud | ok, I am starting a new instance now. fingers crossed. I have it attached to my default security group which allows 22, 80 and ICMP |
| 15:12.01 | keldwud | and the subnet it is assigned to will automatically assign it an IP |
| 15:12.28 | keldwud | k, I fixed it |
| 15:12.53 | keldwud | I think I know where my problem was in the first place. I accidentally entered 0.0.0.0/24 in my routing table instead of 0.0.0.0/0 |
| 15:13.22 | keldwud | now I can go back to having proper security layers and adjust my NACLs and Security Groups accordingly |
| 15:14.31 | keldwud | thanks for letting me talk it out, guys! :) |
| 15:14.36 | keldwud | rubber duck method always works |
| 15:14.37 | TodPunk | no problem, this time |
| 15:14.47 | TodPunk | /THIS/ time, gadget |
| 15:14.51 | keldwud | lol |
| 15:15.29 | TodPunk | So there was some drama in the drupal community that got some publicity a while back, popped up in my feed again somehow. This reminds me of a few things |
| 15:15.37 | TodPunk | 1) PHP projects are terrible, terrible place |
| 15:15.39 | TodPunk | s |
| 15:16.31 | TodPunk | 2) People are terrible, terrible things to spend time on |
| 15:17.14 | TodPunk | 3) The whole thing between @dries and @crell can probably be summed up by their profile pictures. One looks like a gigantic asshole, the other a typical geek. |
| 15:17.49 | TodPunk | Remind me never to get involved in open source communities beyond tangentially |
| 15:20.20 | jlp_znc | TodPunk: don't ever get involved in open source communities (tangentially is probably okay) |
| 15:21.11 | keldwud | you know, with all this 'free time' I have, I should start attending some of the user groups |
| 15:21.19 | beelzebob | drama is not isolated open source communities |
| 15:21.29 | beelzebob | there is only one solution: kill all humans |
| 15:21.38 | jlp_znc | don't do it, keldwud |
| 15:22.02 | jlp_znc | beelzebob: hey, baby, wanna help me kill all humans? --Bender |
| 15:25.49 | jlp_znc | ~red5 |
| 15:25.49 | infobot | It'll be just like Beggar's Canyon back home. |
| 15:26.41 | jlp_znc | ~bender |
| 15:26.41 | infobot | I am Bender please insert girder |
| 15:26.50 | jlp_znc | that's a little boring |
| 15:26.57 | jlp_znc | ~fry |
| 15:26.57 | infobot | i heard fry is 1. vi. To fail. Said especially of smoke-producing hardware failures. More generally, to become non-working. Usage never said of software, only of hardware and humans. See fried, {magic smoke}. 2. vt. To cause to fail; to roach, toast, or hose a piece of hardware. Never used of software or humans, but compare fried. |
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| 15:27.15 | jlp_znc | ~farnsworth |
| 15:28.30 | aeryndunham | omg kde this should not be so hard |
| 15:28.33 | aeryndunham | throws things |
| 15:28.34 | aeryndunham | also good morning |
| 15:30.39 | manithree | People still use Drupal? |
| 15:30.41 | TodPunk | ~moss |
| 15:30.41 | infobot | Well that's easy to remember. 0118 999 88199 9119 725! 3! |
| 15:30.48 | TodPunk | manithree: not as much as wordpress! |
| 15:31.13 | aeryndunham | they used Drupal on my ship |
| 15:31.26 | jlp_znc | ~roy |
| 15:31.26 | infobot | Shut up, do what I tell you, I'm not interested; these are just some of the things you'll be hearing if you answer this ad. I'm an idiot and I don't care about anyone but myself. P.S. No dogs! |
| 15:31.27 | aeryndunham | It crashed a lot so I hate Drupal |
| 15:32.02 | TodPunk | In my limited experience, Drupal seems to be more "businessy" for marketing departments, and wordpress is more small-shop "website with a contact form" kind of thing |
| 15:32.21 | TodPunk | they're both just stupidly overcomplicated CMSes that started out as not-CMSes |
| 15:32.24 | keldwud | ~seen redbeard |
| 15:32.27 | infobot | i haven't seen 'redbeard', keldwud |
| 15:32.36 | keldwud | hmm, I must have misspelled it |
| 15:32.44 | manithree | learned what "Gorean" was a few weeks ago from this kerfluffle |
| 15:32.50 | TodPunk | ~seen red_beard |
| 15:32.50 | infobot | i haven't seen 'red_beard', TodPunk |
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| 15:33.01 | TodPunk | manithree: ditto |
| 15:33.01 | keldwud | it has been so long that we forgot his handle! |
| 15:33.03 | keldwud | lol |
| 15:33.11 | jlp_znc | ~status |
| 15:33.11 | infobot | Since Tue May 16 00:19:22 2017, there have been 1 modification, 11 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 1 command. I have been awake for 15h 13m 49s this session, and currently reference 119667 factoids. I'm using about 83220 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 70.51/1.28 child 0/0 |
| 15:33.37 | TodPunk | would be more concerned about being a brony, not because it's culturally whatever, but because it probably means you're really stupid |
| 15:33.44 | TodPunk | Oh yes, I went there |
| 15:33.57 | keldwud | how is that controversial, TodPunk ? |
| 15:34.09 | TodPunk | depends, do you work at Instructure? |
| 15:34.21 | keldwud | I had a drink with somebody that came from there |
| 15:34.32 | TodPunk | they had some drama in dev there, it was kind of hilarious to hear about |
| 15:34.33 | keldwud | she was pretty cool |
| 15:34.36 | TodPunk | my brother is a brony |
| 15:34.42 | TodPunk | I could just straight up deck that kid |
| 15:34.47 | TodPunk | but for different reasons |
| 15:34.58 | TodPunk | mostly texting and driving |
| 15:35.18 | keldwud | omg I hate that every person I talk to thinks that *they* can text and drive but that others shouldn't |
| 15:35.39 | keldwud | or they think that if they aren't texting but looking at their phone for other reasons, it doesn't count |
| 15:35.55 | jlp_znc | http://i.imgur.com/LiEQLkR.jpg |
| 15:37.27 | keldwud | I didn't play hearthstone yesterday! I'm so proud of myself. now let's see if I can not play it today, also. |
| 15:37.49 | keldwud | blizzard really knows how to get people hooked |
| 15:37.56 | beelzebob | TodPunk: thanks for the tip on the drama, was an interesting read :) |
| 15:38.16 | TodPunk | I disagree. I'd like my hour of life back, personally. |
| 15:39.31 | beelzebob | eh, as much as I dislike drama, I've come to terms with its unavoidability |
| 15:39.55 | beelzebob | the only thing I can do now is deal with how I respond to it |
| 15:40.07 | beelzebob | so I think occasional dips into the drama pool are healthy |
| 15:41.28 | manithree | The latest from the Drupal CWG is amusing: "He hasn't been banned, ejected, or exiled" only asked to leave and dropped as a DrupalCon speaker. But it's not because of his private beliefs! Trust us. |
| 15:55.44 | eightyeight | unum: androl and pevara are my favorite story in the last book (about 25% in)) |
| 15:57.11 | eightyeight | then again, i haven't read any mat yet, so that may change |
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| 16:44.48 | jima | mat tends to be fairly hilarious |
| 16:52.15 | keldwud | oh hey, I can get my tickets to openwest now |
| 16:53.23 | keldwud | maybe I should start setting up booths at these conferences with a sign that says "let me build your infrastructure and platforms, I'll have it ready before the conference ends!" |
| 16:54.03 | keldwud | or even better, "I'll hand you the keys before the conference ends!" |
| 16:54.12 | keldwud | that would be pretty sexy and attractive, right? |
| 16:54.32 | keldwud | think that would get me paying gigs? |
| 17:11.49 | unum | eightyeight: you've passed me up |
| 17:12.33 | eightyeight | despite this being a brandon sanderson book, the battle planning is actually a bit boring |
| 17:13.33 | eightyeight | jima: i love mat. he's great. |
| 17:51.16 | keldwud | damn :( I missed summer semesters at UofU and WSU |
| 17:51.36 | keldwud | I knew I should have applied in April when I was thinking about it |
| 17:51.49 | keldwud | I was just holding out hoping I would get a job first, was kind of stalling |
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| 18:00.35 | frostyfrog | https://xkcd.com/1835/ Someone should get robot monkeys back on top >_> |
| 18:02.15 | RyanE | ~twss |
| 18:02.15 | infobot | That's what she said! |
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| 18:16.31 | romanovic | keldwud: I applied at WSU at the last minute, but no money for summer semester |
| 18:17.53 | romanovic | I don't think I could get any assistance. I make enough money that FAFSA won't get me anything, but I'm house poor so almost none of it is actually available for education |
| 18:22.08 | romanovic | keldwud: what program are you in / going to be in? |
| 19:33.02 | Migs | romanovic: Never hurts to try |
| 19:33.28 | Migs | I make pretty good money, too, but I still qualified for FAFSA loans for my masters |
| 19:33.52 | Migs | actually, I guess at the time I wasn't making good money |
| 19:33.55 | Migs | so nm |
| 21:41.19 | RyanE | clear |
| 21:41.33 | TodPunk | no |
| 21:46.55 | eightyeight | sudo clear |
| 21:46.59 | RyanE | heh |
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| 23:08.17 | aeryndunham | Finally stopped being lazy and configured weechat on new computer |
| 23:09.25 | eightyeight | weechat ftw |
| 23:09.51 | aeryndunham | I like it |
| 23:09.59 | aeryndunham | But it does take a bit of setup |
| 23:10.09 | aeryndunham | So I'd been using Konversation out of laziness |
| 23:10.19 | aeryndunham | (I still can't find a Windows IRC client I don't hate) |
| 23:10.34 | eightyeight | well, windows is your first problem. :) |
| 23:10.45 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 23:10.48 | aeryndunham | I know |
| 23:11.03 | aeryndunham | but until Blizzard lets me play World of Warcraft on Linux my hands are tied :p |
| 23:11.40 | eightyeight | hah |
| 23:11.59 | aeryndunham | I'm really loving KDE Neon though. For when I am not gaming. |
| 23:12.09 | aeryndunham | Today I found a terminal client for Twitter and Pandora |
| 23:12.41 | eightyeight | i've tried a number of different twitter clients. corebird works the best for me, but it comes with its own quirks |
| 23:12.54 | eightyeight | really, i stick with the web client, and the official android one |
| 23:13.05 | aeryndunham | I don't really have an issue just using the web browser; I do have Corebird |
| 23:13.19 | aeryndunham | but just for nerdy terminal lulz I installed rainbowstream today |
| 23:57.48 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: no Hexchat love? Quassel themes not your thing either? |
| 23:58.28 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: I haven't tried Quassel yet; Hexchat is out because you need a degree in rocket science to get it to display Chinese characters |
| 23:58.34 | aeryndunham | and since I hang out in #mandarin |
| 23:58.56 | TodPunk | sets encoding to UTF-8 and selects a proper font |
| 23:59.04 | aeryndunham | did that :p |
| 23:59.32 | aeryndunham | Although Chinese input in KDE Neon is also proving challening |
