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| 03:47.09 | fadein | Trigger warning: racism and misogyny - http://www.aspiringminds.com/sites/default/files/National%20Programming%20Skills%20Report%20-%20Engineers%202017%20-%20Report%20Brief.pdf |
| 03:47.33 | fadein | I wonder if there is a comparable report on the U.S. |
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| 15:58.11 | keldwud | morning |
| 16:22.38 | romanovic | good morning! |
| 16:27.11 | spangborn | yawns. |
| 16:27.14 | spangborn | Need more coffee |
| 16:30.40 | jlp_znc | morn |
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| 17:24.37 | manithree | fadein: I wonder what there methodology is. If it's whiteboard coding, then, meh |
| 17:25.34 | manithree | their |
| 17:26.37 | manithree | NM, it's a simulated compiler |
| 17:38.06 | fadein | manithree: ah, that's interesting to find out |
| 17:38.18 | fadein | I tried to figure that out, but found precious little about how their test worked |
| 17:39.57 | beelzebob | I'm guessing they used their own product http://www.aspiringminds.com/technology/automata ? |
| 17:45.22 | beelzebob | I must missed the racism and misogyny parts |
| 17:46.04 | beelzebob | s/must/must have/ |
| 17:46.58 | aeryndunham | *might* have successfully partitioned her hard drive on the first try! Damn Linux. |
| 17:48.06 | beelzebob | they say "The analysis unveils that males have better programming skills than females"... not particularly tactful, but not prejudiced or hateful |
| 17:49.30 | aeryndunham | Spoke too soon. I *may* have installed the operating system correctly, but I sure don't seem to have any way to boot into it :p Straight to Windows |
| 18:13.15 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Well, you need to hit the boot loader first ;p |
| 18:19.55 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: I guess I thought it'd be like I have on my macbook where when I turn it on I get a screen automatically that asks me to pick macOS or Ubuntu |
| 18:21.53 | aeryndunham | They are both going on the same drive |
| 18:24.45 | frostyfrog | That's because mac os x has it's own bootloader that does that |
| 18:25.39 | frostyfrog | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Category:Boot_loaders |
| 18:26.27 | frostyfrog | "In order to boot Arch Linux, a Linux-capable boot loader must be installed to the Master Boot Record or the GUID Partition Table. It is the first piece of software started by the BIOS or UEFI. It is responsible for loading the kernel with the wanted kernel parameters, and initial RAM disk before initiating the boot process." |
| 18:26.42 | klys | the command to install grub2 is grub-install /dev/sda1 where 1 is the active partition from fdisk /dev/sda; and you did install-mbr /dev/sda; or you could just do grub-install /dev/sda; if you don't want the mbr functionality. |
| 18:27.14 | frostyfrog | Grub generally does a good job at finding your windows partition as well. |
| 18:28.27 | frostyfrog | However, it's very possible that your machine is booting via UEFI instead of MBR as well, which means that you need to press the keyboard shortcut during the BIOS to switch OSs (at least, from my understanding) |
| 18:28.53 | klys | yeah my advice was for an mbr system. |
| 18:29.00 | frostyfrog | still hasn't gotten their Linux UEFI bootloader to chain load into Windows UEFI bootloader. |
| 18:29.16 | frostyfrog | Newer windows OSs do UEFI installs. |
| 18:29.25 | frostyfrog | by default, anyways. |
| 18:29.49 | straya | it should be pretty easy |
| 18:30.22 | frostyfrog | For MBR or for UEFI? |
| 18:30.25 | straya | UEFI |
| 18:31.45 | frostyfrog | generally found it more difficult based on these instructions and the considerations that had to be made. https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Syslinux#MBR_partition_table |
| 18:32.08 | frostyfrog | Then again, I love Syslinux and prefer it over Grub anyday. |
| 18:33.01 | straya | I'm sorry |
| 18:33.47 | frostyfrog | notes that it had to deal with Grub's complicated configuration mess that is a part of Grub2+ |
| 18:34.01 | frostyfrog | it being my preference. |
| 19:11.27 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: Progress has been made |
| 19:12.10 | aeryndunham | Ok, so, I got the OS running and sorted out my GPU drivers so it wasn't crashing everywhere |
| 19:12.38 | aeryndunham | If I tell the computer to boot from windows boot loader, I get windows, as you would imagine |
| 19:13.08 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 19:13.09 | aeryndunham | if I tell it to boot from the SSD (where both OSses are installed) I get what MIGHT be grub but my only option there is Linux |
| 19:13.13 | frostyfrog | Mades sense. |
| 19:13.22 | aeryndunham | Is there no way to make this boot to a screen where I can choose? |
| 19:13.30 | aeryndunham | without having to go through uefi? |
| 19:13.49 | frostyfrog | Windows is booting via UEFI and linux is booting via MBR, or at least, that's what it sounds like. |
| 19:14.03 | frostyfrog | straya: ^ That sound right to you? |
| 19:14.26 | aeryndunham | I'm not letting myself get to the fun stuff of installing my games on Windows until I get this sorted, so I'm motivated... just... confused |
| 19:14.59 | straya | frostyfrog: no, not at all |
| 19:15.30 | straya | aeryndunham: you should consider using rEFInd as your UEFI loader |
| 19:15.42 | aeryndunham | I use rEFInd on my Macbook, actually |
| 19:15.47 | aeryndunham | I think I thought it was a Mac-only thing |
| 19:15.50 | straya | uh no? |
| 19:15.51 | frostyfrog | thought that was mac only. |
| 19:15.59 | straya | rEFInd works with any UEFI system there is |
| 19:16.06 | aeryndunham | and it'd be easy to install? |
| 19:16.11 | straya | I use rEFInd on my windows UEFI laptop |
| 19:16.14 | straya | aeryndunham: yeah, super easy |
| 19:16.20 | straya | just toss it on your EFI partition |
| 19:16.32 | straya | tell your UEFI configuration thingy to boot refindx64.efi |
| 19:16.35 | aeryndunham | EFI partitions confuse me but I think I can figure that out |
| 19:16.56 | straya | then tell refind to either chainload grubx64.efi or the kernel directly if it has EFI stub enabled or chainload bootmgfw.efi for windows |
| 19:16.56 | aeryndunham | Would you install it from Windows or Ubuntu? |
| 19:16.58 | straya | very straightforward |
| 19:17.02 | straya | doesn't really matter |
| 19:17.03 | aeryndunham | or wel kde neon but it's basically ubuntu |
| 19:17.13 | straya | becuase they both see the same EFI partition |
| 19:17.19 | straya | unless you have multiple EFI partitions |
| 19:17.22 | aeryndunham | I shouldn't |
| 19:17.26 | straya | in which case, you gotta square that shit away first |
| 19:17.50 | aeryndunham | anyone want to teleport to florida and help me make sure this gets sorted :p |
| 19:18.02 | frostyfrog | If only I could :( |
| 19:18.18 | straya | no today is rather gorgeous I don't want your humidity and heat |
| 19:18.19 | aeryndunham | but yeah rEFInd works great on my macbook, so sounds good if it'll work there too |
| 19:18.24 | frostyfrog | Anyone know anyone who works at the NSA datacenter? |
| 19:20.18 | frostyfrog | needs to see if they've stolen a copy of the portal gun from Aperture Laboratories yet, and if they'll let me borrow it for a week. |
| 19:25.34 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 19:25.47 | aeryndunham | Hmm the rEFInd website says there might be some issues with Win 10 |
| 19:27.23 | manithree | doesn't think anybody works at the NSA Bluffdale data center |
| 19:30.46 | frostyfrog | Just magic, huh? Oh well, I was really hoping that I could borrow a portal gun and get a quick trip to/from Florida for extremely cheap. |
| 19:35.02 | RyanE | not sure how that'd work, since wouldn't you need to fire the gun in both places before there'd be a portal? |
| 19:37.16 | aeryndunham | feels like an idiot when she can't follow what look like simple directions |
| 19:43.53 | programmerq | One fan theory I saw said that the portal gun itself was using up power in its internal power source to hold the portals open. |
| 19:44.19 | programmerq | So it may not be cheap, but it would be fast. |
| 19:44.47 | programmerq | The supporting evidence was that the gun would wiggle when something path through the portals, implying that the gun is actively doing something. |
| 19:46.00 | aeryndunham | straya: Is there a tutorial for refind somewhere you know of OTHER than its official website? |
| 19:47.54 | aeryndunham | The website is.... not exactly clear |
| 19:54.35 | aeryndunham | Welp. Whatever I've done, I now only get the GRUB menu with my "choice" of Linux or... Linux.. and can't boot into Windows :/ |
| 20:00.05 | straya | aeryndunham: the website is fineeeeee |
| 20:00.16 | straya | anyhow, linux is fine |
| 20:00.19 | straya | boot into linux |
| 20:00.23 | straya | mount the efi volume |
| 20:00.28 | straya | copy the refind stuff onto it |
| 20:00.38 | straya | fire up the UEFI config system, specify refind.efi as the file |
| 20:00.39 | straya | and go |
| 20:02.08 | aeryndunham | if only it were as easy for me as you make it sound :p |
| 20:36.37 | keldwud | I got UEFI running with arch once |
| 20:37.32 | keldwud | hmm... "You know your business. We help you take action. Big Squid's platform delivers better forecasting of key outcomes by identifying the drivers of those outcomes." |
| 20:37.43 | keldwud | I can't figure out what the product is based off the tagline |
| 20:38.08 | keldwud | I'm guessing analytics of some sort |
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| 20:51.07 | frostyfrog | RyanE: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jraQP7C1ifk |
| 20:53.24 | frostyfrog | or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls4LbaJOMPI |
| 21:06.13 | aeryndunham | straya: I installed refind - properly, I think - but I still only get Win 10 from the list of choices there, no Linux |
| 21:06.23 | straya | aeryndunham: refind does not autodetect |
| 21:06.27 | straya | well, it can |
| 21:06.34 | straya | but to do things correctly, you must write your own entries |
| 21:06.39 | aeryndunham | I used a program called EasyUEFI |
| 21:06.49 | aeryndunham | used this guide |
| 21:06.52 | aeryndunham | https://www.robertcina.com/2017/03/16/dual-booting-windows-10-and-freebsd-11-with-refind-and-easyuefi/ |
| 21:07.04 | aeryndunham | (not using bsd but I figured it'd be basically the same on the windows side) |
| 21:07.37 | aeryndunham | So it's booting to rEFInd, yeah, but it's not seeing the Linux install there, I guess, and that i do not know how to change |
| 21:11.25 | straya | go find refind.conf on the EFI system partition (ESP) |
| 21:11.37 | straya | and add an entry patterened after one of the grub chainloading examples |
| 21:22.47 | aeryndunham | lol I hate Windows. Just getting refind.conf open in a manner in which I could actually read it was hillariously difficult. |
| 21:33.24 | TodPunk | Likely you weren't using a proper text editor (Windows /only/ has Notepad, so you have to install something else) |
| 21:33.49 | TodPunk | and I'm guessing refind.conf isn't in Windows /r/n format |
| 21:34.20 | aeryndunham | yeah, it wasn't |
| 21:34.28 | aeryndunham | notepad++ has saved the day |
| 21:34.34 | aeryndunham | but I till don't know what to do next :p |
| 21:34.39 | aeryndunham | working on it |
| 21:35.07 | aeryndunham | I need to fix my graphics drivers before I can do much else here (but that I know how) |
| 21:46.50 | aeryndunham | Ok. So. Only thing I have left to do is get rEFINd to see Linux. |
| 21:47.16 | aeryndunham | As we are booting to rEFInd no prob, but only getting Windows as a choice. |
| 21:47.33 | aeryndunham | And 'chainloading grub' doesn't really mean a whole lot to me. |
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| 21:51.31 | frostyfrog | Chainloading basically means setting it up to go from one bootloader (in this case, refind) to another (in this case, grub) |
| 21:52.27 | aeryndunham | I don't think I want it to do that, though, I just want Linux to be a boot option on rEFInd like Windows is. |
| 21:53.19 | aeryndunham | Or, I guess I see what you mean. Link it to Grub, which is what boots Linux. |
| 21:55.54 | frostyfrog | yup, basically. |
| 21:56.34 | aeryndunham | Sounds great :p |
| 21:56.38 | frostyfrog | And grub could have a really short timeout (1 second?) and it would always have the correct kernel chosen to load. |
| 21:57.19 | aeryndunham | all I want is that when I boot up my computer I am given two choices for operating systems |
| 21:57.20 | aeryndunham | that's all |
| 21:57.34 | aeryndunham | and I cannot find a guide to get this to work, and it's not something I know enough about |
| 22:06.34 | aeryndunham | but I've been working on this all day so my roadblock here is frustrating |
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| 23:12.15 | romanovic | yay 5pm! time to get 80% of the day's work done now that there is peace and quiet around the office |
| 23:15.19 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 23:15.42 | aeryndunham | had HOPED she'd be done "working" by now (I wanna install gaaaames!) but alas. |
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