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| 00:29.23 | aeryndunham | Someday I will remember to start preheating my oven *before* I'm already starving |
| 00:29.26 | aeryndunham | waits impatiently |
| 00:30.37 | straya | haha |
| 00:30.43 | straya | whatcha making? |
| 00:32.29 | aeryndunham | In the oven, just some french fries |
| 00:32.39 | aeryndunham | I made tuna which is waiting in the fridge to make a sandwich |
| 00:33.02 | straya | ah |
| 01:19.11 | gtmanfred | salmon curry? https://www.instagram.com/p/BTVHCzhl30j/ |
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| 02:03.28 | RyanE | I had tuna tonight on a salad. |
| 02:37.09 | spangborn | I enjoyed a $6.25 pizza |
| 02:38.18 | straya | I enjoyed a homemade thincrust pizza |
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| 03:13.29 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 03:16.44 | spangborn | Playing with a Zoneminder replacement. Aside from some UI/UX quirks, works pretty well |
| 03:29.04 | TodPunk | spangborn: which one, and does it handle video codecs rather than mjpeg? |
| 03:29.11 | spangborn | It does! |
| 03:29.13 | spangborn | Shinobi |
| 03:29.17 | spangborn | http://shinobi.video |
| 03:29.26 | spangborn | It's still pretty new and has some quirks/bugs, but I like it |
| 03:29.47 | TodPunk | oh hell it's the node one |
| 03:29.53 | spangborn | Haha yes |
| 03:30.13 | spangborn | Still better than the hodgepodge that is Zoneminder |
| 03:31.03 | TodPunk | Zoneminder is a child of its time. It was poorly architected in hindsight, but was fine for the landscape when it was written. It has no place now, but that doesn't make it a hodgepodge. Just C devs doing C dev things with web |
| 03:31.57 | TodPunk | I wish they'd do the overhaul necessary to update it to modern cameras and the needs they have, but alas |
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| 14:37.52 | jima | oh man, i remember zoneminder. i maintained a server with...4 cameras? at my last job. |
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| 16:19.28 | aeryndunham | morning |
| 16:21.19 | romanovic | good morning! |
| 16:22.01 | romanovic | how's the job search going aeryndunham? |
| 16:22.48 | aeryndunham | the people I am waiting to hear from are all on a ship right now, last I heard was that this set of jobs (one of which they want me for) oficcially exist as of may 1 |
| 16:26.48 | aeryndunham | although I'm sort of hoping I just magically win the lottery in the next week because I am struggling to be excited about the prospect of working even though I know I need to |
| 16:39.13 | frostyfrog | Morning :) |
| 16:39.59 | frostyfrog | Isn't this where supply and demand creates hype or something like that? :p |
| 16:42.29 | frostyfrog | was joking about artificial scarcity. |
| 16:42.46 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 16:43.27 | frostyfrog | There was a lot of talk about it with the Nintendo Switch, then the numbers came out and everyone saw that they were far outselling the PS4 and running out of literal stock. |
| 16:43.58 | frostyfrog | https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/t_original/tkx87nmfnzkv3xkgxwd1.png |
| 16:44.14 | aeryndunham | I still don't have a Switch |
| 16:44.24 | frostyfrog | (text next to the switch says sold out, basically) |
| 16:44.31 | aeryndunham | we had wanted to get it before Chris went on this trip so we could both play Zelda spoiler-free |
| 16:44.38 | frostyfrog | fun party system. |
| 16:45.12 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Once you get a system, I recommend picking up http://jackboxgames.com/project/jbpp3/ |
| 16:45.15 | aeryndunham | huh that second character is weird |
| 16:45.18 | aeryndunham | (in sold out) |
| 16:46.36 | aeryndunham | I was about to type how I'd write that in Chinese but apparently this IRC client doesn't do Chinese' |
| 16:46.53 | frostyfrog | https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/04/the-nintendo-switch-versus-the-ps4-a-japanese-sales-comparison/ |
| 16:48.56 | frostyfrog | ããã¯æ¥æ¬èªã§ãã ï¼p |
| 16:49.19 | aeryndunham | i'm also today diving into more scripting languages and programs I don't know. (The more I read, the more I realized a Python-based thing isn't going to cut it based on how everything I needed could only work as root) |
| 16:49.37 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 16:49.37 | aeryndunham | heh, yeah, when I use weechat on mac or linux I can type in Chinese, Konversation too, but I'm on windows right now :/ |
| 16:49.51 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Have you ever used RH based distros? |
| 16:50.00 | aeryndunham | a little bit |
| 16:50.07 | frostyfrog | How about yum? |
| 16:50.09 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 16:50.17 | aeryndunham | Not much, but I've used it |
| 16:50.20 | frostyfrog | It's 100% python, IIRC. |
| 16:50.38 | frostyfrog | "yum search weechat; sudo yum install weechat" |
| 16:51.01 | aeryndunham | knows how to install weechat? |
| 16:51.22 | aeryndunham | I just don't feel like setting up Cygwin so I can use it on Windows right now |
| 16:51.30 | frostyfrog | my point was, it's written in python, and it runs as root |
| 16:51.46 | frostyfrog | yum in particular |
| 16:52.11 | aeryndunham | All I know is that the Python libraries I needed to use (unless better ones exist) weren't going to work |
| 16:52.54 | unum | I'd tell you to joun #uphpu but half of them moved to slack |
| 16:52.58 | unum | and the channell kind of died |
| 16:53.35 | frostyfrog | That reminds me... |
| 16:53.38 | frostyfrog | http://sircmpwn.github.io/2015/11/01/Please-stop-using-slack.html |
| 16:53.45 | frostyfrog | That's sitting in my browser. |
| 16:55.51 | SunSparc | Hmm... |
| 16:56.01 | SunSparc | irc ftw |
| 16:56.36 | frostyfrog | didn't pay much attention to LDUG because of the slack stuff... |
| 16:56.54 | frostyfrog | uses the IRC gateway for their slack server. |
| 16:57.13 | frostyfrog | fits this description https://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 16:57.20 | SunSparc | uses Slack for work and small private groups. |
| 16:57.22 | aeryndunham | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.02 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:58.09 | SunSparc | long live IRC! |
| 16:58.35 | SunSparc | infobot: bless IRC |
| 16:58.35 | infobot | IRC: Live long and prosper! \//, |
| 16:59.14 | aeryndunham | I do like IRC |
| 16:59.25 | SunSparc | ~irc |
| 16:59.25 | infobot | irc is probably Welcome to IRC, where the men are of reduced skin pigmentation, the women are all above average, and the little girls are FBI agents. Most of the best developers to be found are on irc--only watch your step--this place can be a little rough. |
| 16:59.49 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:00.00 | SunSparc | infobot: irc is also https://xkcd.com/1782/ |
| 17:00.00 | infobot | Oh IRC, why do you distract me so from is also https://xkcd.com/1782/? |
| 17:00.06 | aeryndunham | Also because I'm ~usually~ on weechat, when I was on IRC at work, in a terminal window, I'd have people be like OOH are you coding?? |
| 17:00.37 | SunSparc | yep |
| 17:00.40 | aeryndunham | I will be really, really sad if/when I get this job if IRC is blocked |
| 17:00.50 | SunSparc | tunnel ;) |
| 17:01.09 | SunSparc | ssh to remote host and screen irc. |
| 17:01.11 | aeryndunham | yeah, I'd try SSHing into my server and running weechat from there |
| 17:01.17 | SunSparc | :D |
| 17:01.30 | SunSparc | There is no stopping the determined irc'er. |
| 17:01.57 | aeryndunham | I could NOT from the admin internet network on ships. Always had to use my own computer logged into the crew network |
| 17:02.04 | spangborn | I used TheLounge |
| 17:02.13 | spangborn | Web based IRC client hosted on my box |
| 17:02.34 | aeryndunham | oh cool |
| 17:02.42 | frostyfrog | admin network was more restricted than crew network? Wat? |
| 17:03.05 | frostyfrog | TheLounge, huh? |
| 17:03.19 | aeryndunham | Yeah. Crew pay for Internet, they can do what they want. Most office computers have ZERO internet access. Only people who were deemed to need Internet to do their jobs had access to the admin network |
| 17:03.42 | aeryndunham | and after 3 months of me begging, they decided that the internet cafe manager did in fact need internet access |
| 17:03.50 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 17:04.19 | frostyfrog | "internet cafe manager" I wonder why it took them so long... |
| 17:04.57 | aeryndunham | It's funny, I actually called Chris one day to ask him to just give me Internet access (perks of dating the sysadmin) and he was like .... you already have it? |
| 17:05.03 | aeryndunham | so they put me on the whitelist but didn't tell me |
| 17:05.11 | youtah | no |
| 17:05.17 | aeryndunham | no? |
| 17:05.20 | youtah | I dunno |
| 17:05.24 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 17:05.28 | youtah | just kind of blurted it out |
| 17:05.55 | frostyfrog | "no" is kind of a valid answer to "How've you been?" (My last question I asked you) |
| 17:05.56 | aeryndunham | -gt for greater than instead of > ?????? powershell you're killing me \ |
| 17:05.56 | youtah | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:06.19 | youtah | also used in bash |
| 17:06.25 | youtah | -lt |
| 17:06.29 | aeryndunham | really? did not know |
| 17:06.36 | frostyfrog | -gt -lt -ge -le |
| 17:06.41 | frostyfrog | in if statements |
| 17:06.50 | aeryndunham | (honestly, what my friend needs? is a powershell script. That's it. I'll even visualstudio it and make her a GUI, if she wants) |
| 17:07.04 | youtah | in if statements and I think in regards to string comparisons only? |
| 17:07.08 | aeryndunham | she thinks she needs a web app, she's wrong |
| 17:07.36 | frostyfrog | html, css, JS. done |
| 17:07.53 | youtah | http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html |
| 17:08.18 | aeryndunham | But what she wants run are command prompt commands. So a web interface just seems.... like a weird choice |
| 17:08.35 | youtah | I had it backwards "Note that integer and string comparison use a different set of operators." |
| 17:08.36 | frostyfrog | I just use: if [[ "hello" == "bob" ]]; |
| 17:08.50 | aeryndunham | unless JS lets me run traceroutes, I won't be using it for this :P |
| 17:09.14 | youtah | so -eg -ne -gt -lt etc are for integer comparisons |
| 17:09.15 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Eerm... yeah, no. Not unless you use nodejs |
| 17:09.17 | spangborn | There are existing network utility tools |
| 17:09.27 | unum | perl also uses gt for strings |
| 17:09.37 | unum | oops did I get that backwards |
| 17:09.51 | unum | when was the last time I had to write perl.... |
| 17:09.55 | aeryndunham | She wants a series of servers pinged, a couple traceroutes, and she wants the generated resulsts emailed to her. (this would be for the internet cafe managers to run) |
| 17:10.14 | youtah | You know, Selenium has serious potential for being incredibly awesome |
| 17:10.16 | frostyfrog | bash would be better >_> |
| 17:10.23 | youtah | but they keep shooting themselves in the foot with the setup |
| 17:11.06 | spangborn | That's a nice way of putting it, youtah |
| 17:11.13 | unum | I have a web page that shows me that stuff.... |
| 17:11.19 | aeryndunham | I'd rather use bash but all of the computers will be Windows and Powershell is already on Windiws |
| 17:11.45 | aeryndunham | (I know you can use bash on Windows now) |
| 17:11.52 | aeryndunham | But only Win 10, right? |
| 17:11.56 | spangborn | Winblows eh |
| 17:12.01 | aeryndunham | ships are running 7 |
| 17:12.41 | youtah | spangborn, lol |
| 17:12.53 | youtah | Selenium is like... not... portable at all |
| 17:12.54 | spangborn | "Running" |
| 17:12.56 | TodPunk | Bash on win10 |
| 17:13.05 | youtah | also runs bash on Win10 |
| 17:13.06 | spangborn | youtah: Imagine running it headless |
| 17:13.10 | spangborn | Which we do |
| 17:13.10 | TodPunk | Powershell on debian and redhat based linuxes |
| 17:13.17 | youtah | Uhg, that is just what I was looking intp |
| 17:13.24 | youtah | don't tell me that spangborn, that makes me sad |
| 17:13.38 | spangborn | lol |
| 17:13.47 | spangborn | Good luck |
| 17:13.55 | spangborn | Grab some Prozac before you start |
| 17:13.59 | youtah | I should put Selenium on my taxes, it's that dependant |
| 17:14.26 | youtah | s/dependant/dependent/ |
| 17:14.31 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 17:14.50 | unum | aeryndunham: ya if you're running this on windows clients, it should be a desktop app |
| 17:15.00 | aeryndunham | exactly |
| 17:15.06 | unum | don't run a webserver to run a program locally...... |
| 17:15.43 | aeryndunham | This girl is really, really good at her job, very smart, but I'm just going to go with that she doesn't actually know what she needs in this exact situation |
| 17:17.30 | frostyfrog | "Guess we don't have standup today" "I'll just send it to stan" stan: "I'll just send it to devnull" xD |
| 17:17.41 | unum | javascript may be the solution here |
| 17:18.30 | frostyfrog | https://nodejs.org/en/ not like it's hard to setup >_> |
| 17:18.50 | aeryndunham | the CMS my blog uses runs on nodejs and it was horrible to set up |
| 17:19.13 | unum | and I was thinking browser based javascript, but that doesn't work |
| 17:19.14 | frostyfrog | Umm... I thought it was ghost. |
| 17:19.14 | aeryndunham | I really like the CMS, though. Simple. |
| 17:19.31 | aeryndunham | yeah, ghost? not really a cms I guess. just for blogging./ |
| 17:19.57 | frostyfrog | in the beginning, ghost was a bit of a pain. Now it's much easier, I think. |
| 17:20.06 | frostyfrog | At least, the last time I checked it was. |
| 17:20.39 | aeryndunham | It was definitely a pain to install when I did it last year |
| 17:20.47 | aeryndunham | still have to upgrade it manually too |
| 17:21.46 | aeryndunham | but I like it |
| 17:22.37 | unum | are you going to install IIS on these window machines and have IIS execute power shell to create the html page? |
| 17:24.21 | aeryndunham | hates IIS |
| 17:26.48 | unum | can IIS execute a power shell script directly like that? |
| 17:26.59 | unum | or do you need to wrap it? |
| 17:27.10 | aeryndunham | No, I don't think it can |
| 17:27.24 | aeryndunham | googling last night told me that a browser really can't execute a powershell script |
| 17:27.28 | aeryndunham | so this needs to be a desktop app |
| 17:28.53 | unum | ya |
| 17:29.21 | unum | node is a plausible(but really bad) solution |
| 17:30.42 | aeryndunham | I totally get the "ooh, let's make a web app, that's trendy" mindset |
| 17:30.42 | unum | if I understand things correctly node would imitate the web server so you wouldn't have to install ISS or Apache |
| 17:30.51 | aeryndunham | but there's nothing inherently wrong with a desktop app |
| 17:31.19 | unum | desktop apps are the perfect app for when the code actually needs to run on the computer user is running |
| 17:31.27 | unum | s/running/using |
| 17:32.14 | unum | web apps are useful because they can be installed and maintained from one place |
| 17:33.20 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 17:33.35 | aeryndunham | I still want to learn to write a web app but this is not the time |
| 17:33.39 | unum | if you could do ping and tracerouts for browser based javascript, then it would be a plausible solution to create a web app that did that and install it on a server, but there's no way to do that. |
| 17:34.50 | unum | I should work my way through a reachjs tutorial today |
| 17:34.58 | unum | reactjs |
| 17:36.51 | TodPunk | React: because Windows 3.1 should be a web GUI architecture |
| 17:37.36 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 17:38.09 | TodPunk | https://bitquabit.com/post/the-more-things-change/ It's actually a really good not-at-all-as-cynical-as-I-would-be write up |
| 17:44.20 | aeryndunham | and the really nice thing is that it appears *lots* of people have written Powershell scripts to do what I'm trying to do here. Making my life easier. |
| 17:46.53 | TodPunk | Powershell and Microsoft's moves to open source and community over the years has made a large portion of windows administration at large what you'd have found at your local linux user group 20 years ago. It's fantastic and terrifying that the OSS camp can't uniformly do it |
| 17:47.07 | TodPunk | Depends on the community for the most part |
| 17:47.34 | TodPunk | MS controls the community in their case, and it's really odd to see them serious about it (though their community sites are garbage UIs) |
| 17:49.05 | aeryndunham | and if nothing else I enjoy learning the fundamentals of new things |
| 18:04.51 | frostyfrog | unum: I was thinking node for a cli app or a desktop app. |
| 18:07.22 | frostyfrog | for instance, lesscss is a cli app, however, it runs via nodejs |
| 18:14.32 | unum | I agree with aeryndunham that if you're writing an cli app for windows you may as well use powershell |
| 18:14.37 | unum | then you don't have to install anything |
| 18:15.15 | unum | though if you already have nodejs code being used else where, then there's a good argument for that |
| 18:15.31 | unum | we don't have any enforcement of these sort of things |
| 18:15.55 | unum | so if someone comes a long and decides to write something in vbscript, we end with a vbscript that users are dependent on |
| 18:23.20 | Migs | https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap |
| 18:29.22 | TodPunk | That makes me more angry than it should. I think it should make me a little angry, though. |
| 18:31.13 | spangborn | Wow, that Scottish engineer who used to work for princess got a $1M reward |
| 18:31.27 | spangborn | Or you could write the app in Go. :) |
| 18:32.09 | aeryndunham | spangborn, I saw that this morning |
| 18:32.22 | spangborn | That's a hefty sum of cash |
| 18:32.24 | aeryndunham | yup |
| 18:32.52 | aeryndunham | good incentive for crew to actually speak up about some of the shit that goes on on ships |
| 18:33.00 | spangborn | Indeed |
| 18:33.17 | spangborn | Whistleblowing is a tough thing |
| 18:33.22 | spangborn | You're gonna hose your career |
| 18:33.59 | aeryndunham | Yeah - and the crew who work in the departments where shady things are most likely to be happening are more likely to be people who really need those jobs |
| 18:35.01 | spangborn | Gives you a lot of respect for the people that are willing to throw their job out the window when something awful is going on |
| 18:37.12 | aeryndunham | Yeah |
| 18:37.29 | aeryndunham | I can't think of anyone I know from engineering who was Scottish so I don't think I know the guy |
| 18:38.08 | spangborn | Just a few people on a ship anyway ;) |
| 18:38.23 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 18:38.31 | aeryndunham | it's amazing how many people you DO know though, after 6 years |
| 18:43.45 | aeryndunham | I don't know why I didn't think of Powershell earlier. I'm actually going to be able to write this. |
| 18:51.48 | frostyfrog | Migs: Uuuh... I don't see C/C++ on the backend side. :( |
| 18:52.03 | frostyfrog | Maybe I'm going for the backend of backends? |
| 18:52.06 | frostyfrog | shrugs |
| 18:54.16 | beelzebob | "Roadmap to becoming a web developer in 2017" - I'm not surprised that C/C++ isn't included |
| 18:55.11 | beelzebob | I guess webdev is all grown up and has its own backend now? |
| 19:11.22 | spangborn | Why would it be? |
| 19:15.43 | beelzebob | maybe I misunderstood. I thought frostyfrog was saying it should be |
| 19:15.46 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: you're looking for systems engineering |
| 19:16.15 | beelzebob | but perhaps frostyfrog was saying they aren't a web developer :) |
| 19:20.35 | spangborn | Anyone who would use C/C++ for webdev should be institutionalized for masochism |
| 20:03.37 | aeryndunham | Nothing is nicer than following someone's tutorial for something and actually having it work and understand it |
| 20:06.04 | frostyfrog | beelzebob: I didn't notice "web" in "web developer". I only saw the URL which said "developer-roadmap" and scrolled to the "backend" section. |
| 20:06.25 | frostyfrog | Also, I've seen some HTTP services written in C :p |
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| 20:25.16 | aeryndunham | OKay, real progress made today, brain swimming, time to play games |
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| 20:27.10 | TodPunk | spangborn: are you not a fan of fastcgi? |
| 20:35.35 | keldwud | ok, I didn't get any bites in another channel so I'll try here. I'm trying to geek out on the final fantasy VII soundtrack and the movie running man. specifically the shinra corporation https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj0F2KfCvhg and infiltrating shinra tower https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfNHui7hb9E themes compared and contrasted with the running man theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYdsNeRoShA |
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| 20:41.00 | goozbach | borking |
| 20:56.33 | TodPunk | keldwud: ok. |
| 21:04.55 | aeryndunham | oh my goodness can I not do this quest |
| 21:19.19 | goozbach | ~bored |
| 21:19.19 | infobot | La ... lalalala ... beer! |
| 21:20.08 | keldwud | what quest is that, aeryndunham ? |
| 21:25.01 | aeryndunham | hah, I'm playing world of warcraft |
| 21:25.04 | aeryndunham | because I am a nerd |
| 21:28.04 | keldwud | I've been tempted to start playing that now that I'm not working |
| 21:32.10 | joshh | i sometimes miss wow |
| 21:32.22 | joshh | but definitely have no time for it now |
| 21:32.29 | joshh | didn't even have the time for it then, technically |
| 21:35.40 | aeryndunham | I used to play on and off when I worked at sea, could only play while I was at home |
| 21:35.53 | aeryndunham | and whiler I'm not working right now I've been playing a lot |
| 21:35.58 | aeryndunham | for whatever reason I really love it |
| 21:38.15 | keldwud | daughter came home and immediately started working on homework with no prompting on my part. and I gave her half a fruit pie as a reward. she took two bites and brought it back to me saying "daddy, I can't eat this because I'm trying to break my sugar habit" |
| 21:38.21 | keldwud | I'm beside myself |
| 21:38.27 | keldwud | I don't know how to react |
| 21:39.24 | aeryndunham | wow |
| 21:40.44 | RyanE | keldwud: finally, a grownup in the family. :) |
| 21:40.54 | keldwud | lol oh snap |
| 21:40.59 | keldwud | @ RyanE |
| 21:41.30 | spangborn | How weird of someone to dump Congress in a parking lot https://goo.gl/tAEIdm |
| 21:41.40 | keldwud | I feel like I'm in the twilight zone |
| 21:41.48 | keldwud | she just came up and asked me to put Fur Elise on the radio for her |
| 21:42.28 | RyanE | have you considered the possibility she's gaslighting you? |
| 21:42.30 | keldwud | kids are supposed to be rebellious and stubborn, I thought |
| 21:42.40 | RyanE | It's part of her long endgame. |
| 21:42.41 | keldwud | she must be gaslighting me, I can't think of any other explanation |
| 21:42.45 | RyanE | basically, you're screwed. |
| 21:42.52 | keldwud | she's probably getting ready for a 'big ask' |
| 21:42.59 | RyanE | another possibility. |
| 21:43.17 | keldwud | and you know what? it will work. she does all this stuff? I will have a difficult time saying no |
| 21:43.33 | RyanE | My 13yo put a Nintendo Switch in my Amazon shopping cart the other day, without telling me. |
| 21:43.46 | RyanE | "How come these 2 lawnmower tires are showing as $500?" |
| 21:43.51 | keldwud | like "you did your chores, your homework, ate good food, listened to good music and you want to do x? well shoot, I don't have any excuses left to say no, so have at it" |
| 21:43.59 | keldwud | RyanE: hah. nice one |
| 21:44.12 | keldwud | would have been awesome if he got away with it :) |
| 21:44.20 | RyanE | for a smaller $ item, he may have. |
| 21:44.32 | RyanE | or I may have just gotten it. |
| 21:45.54 | keldwud | and kept it for yourself as an object lesson? :) |
| 21:46.00 | keldwud | that also would be hilarious |
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