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| 17:31.13 | aeryndunham | Morning all! |
| 17:31.40 | SunSparc | ~morning |
| 17:31.41 | infobot | Good morning! |
| 17:31.42 | jlp_znc | morning, aeryndunham |
| 17:31.52 | jlp_znc | quiet in here today |
| 17:32.01 | SunSparc | ~quiet jlp_znc |
| 17:32.16 | SunSparc | ~cookie |
| 17:32.39 | SunSparc | ~cookie me |
| 17:32.54 | aeryndunham | I just finished upgrading my OS to 17.04 and now shall study for a while |
| 17:33.29 | SunSparc | Mm... Zesty Zapus. You like it? |
| 17:34.25 | aeryndunham | Doesn't seem to be too much change |
| 17:36.53 | aeryndunham | It'll probbaly be the last time I use Ubuntu though because I am certainly not using Gnome |
| 17:38.04 | SunSparc | Try some Gentoo, for a good time. :D |
| 17:38.14 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 17:38.15 | aeryndunham | nope |
| 17:38.35 | aeryndunham | I'll probably go Tumbleweed |
| 17:38.50 | SunSparc | has not tried that one |
| 17:38.55 | straya | its SuSE |
| 17:39.00 | aeryndunham | yes it is |
| 17:39.00 | jlp_znc | snorts |
| 17:39.02 | SunSparc | Ah. |
| 17:39.04 | straya | I'd say go use some Gentoo, FreeBSD or Fedora |
| 17:39.15 | aeryndunham | likes it and doesn't care what any of y'all think :p |
| 17:39.16 | jlp_znc | FreeBSD for the win |
| 17:39.24 | jlp_znc | ~freebsd |
| 17:39.24 | infobot | A stable secure open source operating system.. URL: http://www.freebsd.org/ FreeBSD: Nothing runs like a daemon with a pitch fork. |
| 17:39.35 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:39.43 | jlp_znc | ~freebsd++ |
| 17:39.58 | SunSparc | has a soft place in his heart for freebsd |
| 17:40.13 | jlp_znc | used freebsd 2.2.2 in production in 1996 |
| 17:40.54 | SunSparc | I used to main freebsd on all my web servers. |
| 17:41.10 | jlp_znc | on a little 486 called merlin that sat on the floor behind me |
| 17:41.18 | jlp_znc | marlin |
| 17:41.38 | SunSparc | The little clown fish from the reef. |
| 17:41.40 | jlp_znc | the main site ran on the HP workstation named shark that sat on my desk :-) |
| 17:42.31 | jlp_znc | http://web.archive.org/web/19961022175154/www.imall.com |
| 17:42.49 | aeryndunham | hahaha that's amazing |
| 17:42.50 | SunSparc | What?! |
| 17:42.57 | SunSparc | used to work at imall |
| 17:43.03 | jlp_znc | really? when? |
| 17:43.35 | SunSparc | Around the time that they were bought by Excite. |
| 17:43.46 | jlp_znc | ahh, I was already gone by then. |
| 17:43.55 | jlp_znc | I was there from 96-98-ish |
| 17:43.56 | SunSparc | lucky you ;) |
| 17:44.00 | jlp_znc | yep |
| 17:44.21 | SunSparc | They crashed and burned. |
| 17:44.23 | jlp_znc | I disavow all responsibility for vircs |
| 17:44.37 | jlp_znc | that was all Mr. Slappy |
| 17:44.56 | aeryndunham | sadly most of my early forays into web design vanished with the demise of geocities |
| 17:45.21 | jlp_znc | I'm sure you know who I mean, SunSparc |
| 17:46.03 | SunSparc | is racking his brain... |
| 17:46.11 | jlp_znc | what? geocities is gone? |
| 17:46.19 | aeryndunham | years ago |
| 17:46.21 | jlp_znc | tall skinny red headed dude |
| 17:46.33 | SunSparc | was in the web dev dept |
| 17:46.48 | jlp_znc | oh, you might not have had much to do with him... Steve Fulling |
| 17:47.10 | aeryndunham | Huh, the website I built in high school for my dance school used to be available on archive.org but all the captures are showing blank now |
| 17:47.12 | SunSparc | Does not sound familiar. And I was only there about a year. |
| 17:47.47 | jlp_znc | Steve was Phil Windley's right hand man. |
| 17:48.00 | SunSparc | Ah, I do remember Phil. |
| 17:48.34 | SunSparc | Hmm... he looks familiar: https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevefulling |
| 17:49.28 | jlp_znc | Steve was king of the "high five" |
| 17:55.33 | straya | geocities has been dead a while |
| 17:55.39 | straya | there are some backups of it somewhere though |
| 17:57.13 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I never managed to find copies of anything I had made though |
| 17:58.05 | aeryndunham | I had tons of sites hosted on all kinds of free web hosts that just don't exist anymore |
| 17:59.55 | aeryndunham | I always kick myself for not continuting in my web design habit once I got to college, if I had stayed on top of it I probably would have been good |
| 18:06.33 | frostyfrog | wait, Ubuntu uses Gnome again?! |
| 18:07.16 | aeryndunham | It will |
| 18:07.23 | frostyfrog | :o |
| 18:07.28 | aeryndunham | They've decided to stop developing Unity and ship with Gnome as default |
| 18:07.33 | frostyfrog | Cool :) |
| 18:07.36 | aeryndunham | haaaates Gnome |
| 18:07.50 | aeryndunham | And I understand that Unity is highly based on it, but I can deal with Unity |
| 18:07.54 | frostyfrog | loves Gnome 2, not such a big fan of Gnome 3. |
| 18:08.12 | aeryndunham | I love KDE, so I'll definitely be using that again |
| 18:08.28 | frostyfrog | fetches lunch, BRB. |
| 18:09.40 | TodPunk | There are approximately 4 people in the world that are not Gnome devs and still like Gnome 3 |
| 18:11.39 | jlp_znc | I thought it was three people... hence the name, Gnome 3 |
| 18:11.42 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 18:11.45 | aeryndunham | probably true |
| 18:12.10 | aeryndunham | I could use xfce or Cinnamon, as well, but not Gnome 3. |
| 18:15.20 | bryceml | I prefer xfce myself. It seems to have the most functionality and is quite stable. Fast too. |
| 18:16.09 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: approximately |
| 18:25.44 | unum | I'm under contract on my condo!!!! |
| 18:25.48 | unum | I'm so glad to be rid of that |
| 18:26.07 | unum | it's actually under contract for 10k more than I paid for it 10 years ago |
| 18:26.14 | unum | so house prices are back to bubble levels |
| 18:26.30 | unum | well the assesment probably won't come in quite that high |
| 18:26.44 | unum | but will probably come in the same as it did 10 years ago |
| 18:49.19 | manithree | awesomewm is faster |
| 18:58.14 | TodPunk | So is Windows </flamebait> |
| 18:58.25 | TodPunk | though it might be faster than Gnome, actually |
| 18:58.30 | TodPunk | *Gnome 3 |
| 19:10.37 | aeryndunham | just bought everything on her Amazon wishlist. Thanks, gift cards. |
| 19:10.44 | aeryndunham | (to be fair there wasn't that much on it, but still) |
| 19:12.34 | romanovic | aeryndunham: so which distro will you move to? kubuntu, or something outside of ubuntu all together? |
| 19:13.13 | aeryndunham | romanovic: Mayybe Kubuntu, but probably openSUSE Tumbleweed because I like it despite what anyone says :p |
| 19:54.41 | jlp_znc | You bought everything on your amazon wishlist? Wow... unless you didn't have much on there. |
| 19:55.27 | jlp_znc | has five pages of wishlist items |
| 19:55.35 | jlp_znc | probably ought to remove the ones I no longer care about, though. |
| 19:57.10 | aeryndunham | It was like 7 items. I try to restrain myself. |
| 19:58.06 | aeryndunham | Nothing super exciting, either. Mostly kitchen supplies. |
| 19:59.19 | jlp_znc | page one alone sums up to $884.03 |
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| 20:00.46 | aeryndunham | Heh, my wishlist totaled $108, and I had $90 in gift cards |
| 20:02.43 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Ah, so no intel xeon servers with 12 drive bays and a bunch of terabyte SSDs, eh? ;p |
| 20:04.00 | frostyfrog | (Hey, it can be on my wishlist. Doesn't mean that I'll be getting it within the next 10 years. I still wish for it though. ;-;) |
| 20:07.23 | jlp_znc | isn't that what wishing is fore? |
| 20:07.28 | jlp_znc | s/fore/for/ |
| 20:07.53 | jlp_znc | apparently the proximity of Top Golf to my location has impacted my typos. |
| 20:08.20 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: Heh, sadly no. Cookie sheets, a teapot, and nail polish storage, yes :P |
| 20:08.32 | aeryndunham | brb changing computers |
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| 20:09.23 | aeryndunham | Moved to the desktop for some gaming. Been on my laptop all morning 'cause that's where the programming languages are installed. |
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| 20:32.46 | gtmanfred | just moved to SLC last week... Hi |
| 20:35.30 | romanovic | hi gtmanfred! what brings you to SLC? |
| 20:38.42 | jlp_znc | welcome, gtmanfred |
| 20:39.46 | gtmanfred | So, i have been working for SaltStack for about a year, but remotely from san antonio, my fiancee got laid off down there, and I told her to look up here since salt is based up here |
| 20:39.50 | gtmanfred | she found a job and moved in december |
| 20:39.59 | gtmanfred | and my lease finally was up this month, so I moved up last week |
| 20:40.38 | jlp_znc | great to have you here... we have at least one other SaltStack employee here, I believe. |
| 20:40.55 | TodPunk | Welcome to the place |
| 20:41.23 | gtmanfred | basepi used to work for salt, he is over at adobe now |
| 20:41.43 | gtmanfred | looks like the other salt people are no longer with salt |
| 20:41.53 | gtmanfred | findlay |
| 20:42.27 | jlp_znc | yeah, I was thinking about jfindlay ... guess he moved to Seattle last november-ish |
| 20:42.45 | joshh | probably works for chef now up there :P |
| 20:42.58 | jlp_znc | micro$oft, according to his linkedin profile |
| 20:43.07 | joshh | ah |
| 20:43.34 | joshh | why would someone from here go to the dark side like that |
| 20:43.44 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 20:43.52 | jlp_znc | $$ |
| 20:44.04 | gtmanfred | heh, i have been testing salt on windows machines for the past week |
| 20:44.09 | gtmanfred | and i actually have come to like windows 10 |
| 20:44.20 | gtmanfred | especially with the linux subsystem (even if it is ubuntu based) |
| 20:44.27 | gtmanfred | powershell is super good |
| 20:44.37 | jlp_znc | has not even glanced in Windows 10's direction |
| 20:44.49 | joshh | i haven't used windows at all since xp for gaming, not even sure how windows works anymore |
| 20:44.52 | gtmanfred | once you decide to give up all your privacy that is |
| 20:45.11 | jlp_znc | privacy schmivacy |
| 20:46.08 | gtmanfred | i mean, it all really comes down to powershell for me, it is super good, i wouldn't be surprised if they dropped the cmd prompt all together in a soonish release |
| 20:47.01 | joshh | doesn't windows have other config management tools though, to avoid the need for windows versions of salt and friends? |
| 20:47.14 | joshh | or maybe our IT guys do a bunch of gui clicking, i dunno |
| 20:47.21 | gtmanfred | windows uses dsc, desired state config |
| 20:47.25 | joshh | or power shell i guess |
| 20:47.26 | gtmanfred | which is what salt uses to configure windows |
| 20:47.40 | gtmanfred | ansible uses individual powershell scripts to do it |
| 20:47.55 | gtmanfred | we use dsc directly, and still mostly bank on being remote execution and orchestration |
| 20:48.01 | gtmanfred | salt isn't really about the configuration management |
| 20:48.08 | gtmanfred | (it can do it, but it isn't the main purpose) |
| 20:48.46 | joshh | ya, i've heard that about it |
| 20:50.39 | jlp_znc | at linked in, the systems guys used cfengine for CM, and we used Salt for deployment and application management. seemed like a pretty good separation of powers. |
| 20:50.56 | jlp_znc | (not that I have any great love for cfengine, but it has been around for a long time) |
| 20:51.44 | joshh | jlp_znc: no cool container scheduling stuff? |
| 20:51.53 | gtmanfred | yeah, salt has chef and puppet modules for kicking off config management runs |
| 20:52.06 | gtmanfred | that was it's original purpose, thatch45 wrote it to kick off puppet runs |
| 20:52.09 | jlp_znc | joshh: containers? |
| 20:52.19 | jlp_znc | we didn't do anything like that. |
| 20:52.26 | gtmanfred | some day I will have time to write an ansible module |
| 20:52.49 | jlp_znc | we ran java applications directly on the machine |
| 20:53.11 | joshh | i guess we have quite a mix actually |
| 20:53.13 | jlp_znc | machine(s)... about 30,000 of them all together. |
| 20:53.16 | joshh | most new stuff is docker/mesos/aurora |
| 20:53.38 | joshh | but plenty of dedicated box stuff, but mostly all going through an internal deployment system that's not too bad |
| 20:53.41 | frostyfrog | will always prefer bash and all their command line utilities over powershell. |
| 20:54.13 | jlp_znc | yeah, we're looking at docker now here at medici. I really like the idea of containerizing the applications for portablility. |
| 20:54.33 | jlp_znc | (portability as in moving them to different execution hosts as needed, not necessarily different architectures) |
| 20:54.39 | frostyfrog | One of the issues though is making sure that the container is up-to-date |
| 20:54.53 | joshh | containers are awesome for keeping the app dependencies separate from the infra/ops dependencies, and enabling fancy new deployment/scheduling tools |
| 20:54.58 | frostyfrog | system patches and all that. |
| 20:55.02 | TodPunk | gtmanfred: they have powershell for Linux now! |
| 20:55.16 | gtmanfred | yeah, but i just use bash on linux |
| 20:55.20 | jlp_znc | anyone do anything with kubernettes yet? |
| 20:55.29 | gtmanfred | i really wish that winrm could transfer files quicker |
| 20:55.34 | gtmanfred | so i could stop using impacket |
| 20:55.43 | frostyfrog | winrm? |
| 20:55.43 | joshh | frostyfrog: containers for apps get rebuilt on every build, if you're running infra/mutable stuff in containers, you have to figure that out also i guess but generally not an issue |
| 20:55.56 | gtmanfred | winrm is the connection service for powershell |
| 20:55.59 | gtmanfred | like sshd to bash |
| 20:56.19 | frostyfrog | joshh, So... you guys run a "yum update" or "apt-get update; apt-get upgrade" on every build? |
| 20:56.37 | frostyfrog | gtmanfred: Ah, alright. :) |
| 20:56.56 | joshh | frostyfrog: if a dockerfile says to install something, it will get either latest, or whatever version you specificy, every time you buil dit |
| 20:57.08 | jlp_znc | frostyfrog: the idea is that the dependencies for the application are bound up with the application in the container |
| 20:57.12 | frostyfrog | joshh: And you rebuild everytime there is a critical system or library vulnerability? |
| 20:57.30 | gtmanfred | frostyfrog: yup |
| 20:57.47 | gtmanfred | which is fun when stuff like heartbleed came out |
| 20:58.40 | joshh | security stuff depends on the issue, and not something i personally have to pay much attention to, but in general i'd say both before and after the container world, the challenges have been similar there |
| 20:59.24 | frostyfrog | Well, it's easier to update host systems on the fly than containers built just for a single application. ;p |
| 20:59.35 | gtmanfred | sometime you do get the benefit of not having to rebuild everything, if you seperate frontend and backend stuff successfully |
| 20:59.36 | jlp_znc | I like the dependencies bundled with the app... the bundle that makes it through test is the same one that will be running in production. |
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| 21:00.05 | jlp_znc | I don't have to worry about some library that is slightly different on the host machine than the one that was in test |
| 21:00.24 | frostyfrog | jlp_znc: Yes, that is a nice thing, I'll admit. But you still move to the same library security issues as you do on the mac. |
| 21:00.26 | joshh | our security team has a bunch of packages explicitly listed that will be set to "latest" in puppet, and thus get automatic upgrades, but we never do "apt-get upgrade" on servers. only apps/services are generally containerized, and their own thousands of dependencies/libs have never really been closely monitored for security issues. but none of that is the problem of the infra team, especially in the container world |
| 21:01.16 | joshh | in general containers have nothing to do with security if used for their main benefits, which are really just enabling teams to work separately and simplify deployments/placement |
| 21:01.36 | gtmanfred | joshh: you build some containers? |
| 21:01.39 | jlp_znc | oh, sure, you still have to be up to date on patches for things you are using, but that is usually folded into the dev cycle |
| 21:01.50 | gtmanfred | joshh: jlp_znc do yall find this at all useful? https://blog.gtmanfred.com/docker-and-salt.html |
| 21:01.51 | frostyfrog | *cough* nginx inside of container with SSl certs *cough* |
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| 21:02.16 | joshh | it's not ever projects requirements.txt/gemfile/godeps/etc are all super vetted to be up to date and secure |
| 21:02.22 | jlp_znc | I will have to give it a read, gtmanfred... thanks |
| 21:02.24 | frostyfrog | My main point is... did you remember to "install" glibc as part of your build cycle? |
| 21:02.27 | joshh | s/not ever/not like every/ |
| 21:02.41 | frostyfrog | things like that |
| 21:03.06 | joshh | something like an internet facing nginx/proxy/ssl box would likely not run any containers |
| 21:03.10 | joshh | only the mesos agents |
| 21:03.25 | joshh | although we do have teams/orgs that dockerize pure infra stuff as well |
| 21:03.26 | jlp_znc | ahh, well, you do have to be aware of things when you build your containers. |
| 21:04.05 | joshh | but that's mostly small stuff that we acquired that had a couple devops dudes who loved docker, etc |
| 21:04.37 | aeryndunham | flails and needs a job. They're trying to recruit me for traveling/ship positions I don't want again. =( |
| 21:04.43 | aeryndunham | I need to find something else ASAP :/ |
| 21:04.52 | joshh | switch to airplanes? |
| 21:05.01 | joshh | flight attendants always seem happy |
| 21:05.08 | joshh | and home more often than ship crew i'd guess |
| 21:05.22 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: I thought you had a gig lined up with the cruise company that would have been a shore position? |
| 21:05.37 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 21:05.39 | joshh | oh wait you did computer stuff on the ships though |
| 21:05.41 | aeryndunham | joshh, waaaaay too much flying |
| 21:05.42 | joshh | forgot about that |
| 21:05.56 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc, I thought so too, but it's taking a long time |
| 21:06.08 | aeryndunham | and I can't afford to wait around forever |
| 21:06.21 | jlp_znc | and they keep trying to get you back onboard, ehh? |
| 21:06.30 | aeryndunham | And I certaily don't mind having to go to a ship a couple times a year, but |
| 21:06.41 | frostyfrog | Not every day |
| 21:06.57 | aeryndunham | They want me now for one where'd I'd get sent to ships for a few weeks at a time |
| 21:07.02 | aeryndunham | but only pay me when I'm on a ship |
| 21:07.20 | jlp_znc | hmmm, what percentage of your time would be away from home? |
| 21:07.26 | aeryndunham | There'd be no way to know |
| 21:07.30 | jlp_znc | ugh |
| 21:07.33 | joshh | frostyfrog: we do have lib6 automatically upgraded on everything including build hosts apparently |
| 21:07.52 | joshh | libc6 that is |
| 21:07.59 | jlp_znc | "we understand that you don't want to be permanently on a ship... oh, btw, here's your schedule... you're on a ship for 50 weeks this year!" |
| 21:08.25 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 21:08.27 | jlp_znc | _only_ 50 weeks |
| 21:08.38 | gtmanfred | lol |
| 21:08.46 | joshh | just join the navy |
| 21:08.49 | aeryndunham | And like, Chris is probably not wrong in saying that if I *want* a job with the company, I can't be turning stuff down outright |
| 21:08.55 | jlp_znc | but you have at least three or four hours off the ship a month! |
| 21:08.58 | aeryndunham | But I want a job where I don't travel |
| 21:09.21 | aeryndunham | So yeah this analyst job I had lined up sounds great but I haven't heard much |
| 21:09.25 | joshh | SOME travel is good |
| 21:09.27 | jlp_znc | look at other companies, I guess |
| 21:09.39 | aeryndunham | meanwhile I watch the bank account steadily decrease |
| 21:09.49 | jlp_znc | you're in miami, right? |
| 21:10.08 | aeryndunham | The issue is right *now* that I can't drive. I'm working on that. But getting to work anywhere for at least a couple more months would be hard |
| 21:10.21 | aeryndunham | which is why Carnival HQ is ideal - I'm literally looking at the building right now |
| 21:10.41 | jlp_znc | yeah, plus you already know the company |
| 21:10.56 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 21:11.05 | joshh | the miami dolphins would be fun to work for, according to the show ballers |
| 21:11.07 | aeryndunham | 6 years of shipboard experience is ideal |
| 21:11.33 | aeryndunham | I keep reading the job listings on their website but job listings are so hard to read, they make it look like I'm qualified for NOTHING |
| 21:12.00 | joshh | you can't take those TOO seriously, being semi-knowledgeabout about half the things an ad lists is usually fine |
| 21:12.15 | joshh | especially for more junior levels |
| 21:12.59 | joshh | "20 years of nodejs and kubernetes experience", just say sure i've got that |
| 21:13.26 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 21:13.26 | spangborn | 15 years of iOS dev experience |
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| 21:13.50 | spangborn | Minimum of 20 years IPv6 experience |
| 21:13.55 | gtmanfred | 8 years of systemd |
| 21:13.59 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 21:14.05 | gtmanfred | we are actually getting close to that |
| 21:14.47 | jlp_znc | have you tried any of the recruiter companies? kforce, cyber coders, tek systems? |
| 21:14.58 | gtmanfred | I have been using exclusively systemd since 2012 |
| 21:15.15 | joshh | aeryndunham: a bunch of people i know are fans of "hired" |
| 21:15.55 | jlp_znc | https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/316527869/ |
| 21:15.58 | frostyfrog | gtmanfred: distro? |
| 21:16.16 | jlp_znc | (I have no idea if that fits your skill set at all, but it came up in three seconds of searching at linkedin) |
| 21:16.18 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc, No, not yet |
| 21:16.34 | aeryndunham | My skill-set is pretty.. uh... minimal |
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| 21:18.39 | gtmanfred | frostyfrog: i was using exclusively arch at the time |
| 21:18.45 | gtmanfred | frostyfrog: and was compiling it from the aur |
| 21:18.56 | gtmanfred | i wrote all the zsh tab completion for systemd back then |
| 21:19.16 | frostyfrog | Aah, I see. |
| 21:19.22 | frostyfrog | has been using it since https://www.archlinux.org/news/systemd-is-now-the-default-on-new-installations/ |
| 21:19.46 | jlp_znc | ~systemd frostyfrog |
| 21:19.46 | infobot | ACTION kills all of frostyfrog's processes |
| 21:19.59 | frostyfrog | I never said I liked it :p |
| 21:20.00 | gtmanfred | i used to be a TU for arch |
| 21:20.02 | jlp_znc | ~systemd gtmanfred |
| 21:20.03 | infobot | ACTION reimplements gtmanfred's daemons |
| 21:20.54 | frostyfrog | http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd :p |
| 21:21.17 | frostyfrog | 's gentoo boxes don't use systemd |
| 21:21.51 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 21:24.31 | gtmanfred | I did this very important commit to systemd https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/7085053a437456ab87d726f3697002dd811fdf7a |
| 21:24.35 | gtmanfred | and the rest was zsh completion |
| 21:24.59 | gtmanfred | https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commits/master?author=gtmanfred |
| 21:26.40 | gtmanfred | actually, fun fact, I still have OP in #systemd |
| 21:26.47 | gtmanfred | no idea why |
| 21:27.06 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:29.38 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: Have you followed up and seen if there were any updates on the position? |
| 21:30.32 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog, I asked my friend about it today\ |
| 21:30.50 | aeryndunham | It was never a published position so it's hard, it was for this whole departmental redesign |
| 21:31.44 | aeryndunham | If I didn't have student loans I wouldn't even care |
| 21:31.54 | frostyfrog | :s |
| 21:32.54 | aeryndunham | and I don't imagine there are abundance of remote entry-level IT jobs for someone with no certifications :/ |
| 21:32.55 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 21:33.46 | frostyfrog | Sure there are... |
| 21:33.59 | frostyfrog | So long as you live in india x3 |
| 21:34.09 | frostyfrog | doesn't know if that's true or not. |
| 21:34.24 | jlp_znc | I'm sure there are some... check out freelancer.com |
| 21:41.01 | aeryndunham | https://jobs.carnival.com/job/miami/analyst-social-media/241/4399129 could be kinda cool, I'm not familiar with the software/programs they mention but I can't imagine they are too difficult |
| 21:45.21 | jlp_znc | Sprinklr? |
| 21:45.44 | jlp_znc | appraently it's "the most complete social media management platform for the enterprise" |
| 21:46.04 | jlp_znc | get a demo from them, and you'll probably be as up to speed as you need to be for that job |
| 21:48.02 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 21:48.30 | aeryndunham | and "expert" would be a strong exaggeration of my Excel skills but one can learn quickly :p |
| 21:48.42 | aeryndunham | My brother is actually a marketing analyst for Twitter, I bet he could tell me what I'd need to know |
| 21:48.52 | jlp_znc | you know which icon to click to start it up, right? bam, expert! |
| 21:49.05 | aeryndunham | haha yup |
| 21:49.05 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 21:49.09 | frostyfrog | srsly? |
| 21:49.19 | aeryndunham | My brother? Yeah |
| 21:49.21 | aeryndunham | he loves it |
| 21:49.41 | frostyfrog | I would've expected expert to mean that you can setup a bunch of formulas and such. |
| 21:50.05 | aeryndunham | well I can set up basic formulas |
| 21:50.08 | jlp_znc | come on, frostyfrog, we're talking about excel here, not matlab |
| 21:50.13 | aeryndunham | but I couldn't even tell you what a pivot table IS |
| 21:50.17 | aeryndunham | nevermind how to make one |
| 21:50.20 | frostyfrog | xD True, I guess. |
| 21:51.05 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=pivot+tables+in+excel |
| 21:51.12 | aeryndunham | gee thanks :p |
| 21:51.26 | jlp_znc | any time |
| 21:57.29 | aeryndunham | if only web dev jobs required nothing but html/css skills :p |
| 21:57.42 | jlp_znc | not any more |
| 21:58.01 | aeryndunham | goes back in time to 1996 :p |
| 22:00.56 | aeryndunham | I need some kind of web design project so I can learn to use a web framework |
| 22:01.36 | aeryndunham | not much else I can do to my blog |
| 22:03.40 | frostyfrog | Create a blog from scratch? |
| 22:03.47 | frostyfrog | Create a wiki from scratch? |
| 22:03.57 | frostyfrog | Create a forum from scratch? |
| 22:04.00 | aeryndunham | I don't want to do a blog any more from scratch than I already did |
| 22:04.07 | frostyfrog | Create a web framework from scratch? |
| 22:04.11 | aeryndunham | I mean it wasn't from scratch, it's a CMS |
| 22:04.16 | frostyfrog | :o |
| 22:04.19 | frostyfrog | :p* |
| 22:04.51 | aeryndunham | But I mean it is self-hosted and I designed the template from scratch, it's not like I used Blogger :p |
| 22:24.30 | unum | by web framework do you mean like wordpress? |
| 22:24.37 | unum | or like laravel? |
| 22:25.18 | TodPunk | She's using a javascript static site generator currently. I'm sure at the moment she's talking about anything that would produce dynamic content. She has looked at python most. |
| 22:25.46 | TodPunk | Frontend is likely, from the context I'm aware of, to be her focus at the moment, though |
| 22:25.54 | TodPunk | I could be off there |
| 22:26.19 | unum | I was trying to learn angular 2 |
| 22:26.27 | unum | I need to get back to that project |
| 22:26.36 | unum | but right now I'm focused on laravel |
| 22:26.50 | unum | and lumen, I'm doing a presentation for uphpu on lumen |
| 22:27.00 | unum | that was so much easier than angular 2 |
| 22:28.48 | frostyfrog | >_> https://golang.org/doc/articles/wiki/ |
| 22:30.34 | TodPunk | Please do not learn Go as a starting point for anything ever. |
| 22:32.03 | joshh | why not? |
| 22:32.04 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 22:32.14 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 22:32.32 | frostyfrog | "Science isn't about why, it's about why not!" |
| 22:32.53 | joshh | lol |
| 22:33.43 | TodPunk | Because it is a terrible place to start. It might, maybe, be a good start into programming after you understand how computers work, like memory. Even then, good luck getting help from people that will understand that you are not also a sysadmin |
| 22:34.20 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I |
| 22:34.34 | TodPunk | Feel free to disagree with me and think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Not like it matters. |
| 22:34.36 | aeryndunham | I would like to learn Django or Flask or something but I don't know what to do |
| 22:34.43 | aeryndunham | lol I've been learning Go, I like it |
| 22:34.54 | TodPunk | Flask will be easier, Django will be more employable. |
| 22:34.57 | jlp_znc | django is actually really really good |
| 22:35.01 | aeryndunham | Yeah, that's what I imagined |
| 22:35.27 | jlp_znc | I worked with django for a year at Verisys... didn't know it at all when I started, and was feeling semi-comfortable after a year. |
| 22:35.43 | joshh | flask/small frameworks are good for employment as well, but most companies let you learn their existing stack after getting hired, unless they are too tiny to allow a ramp up |
| 22:35.46 | aeryndunham | I know that someone from ships wants a web interface thing built but but I don't know if I could build what they want from outside the network |
| 22:35.47 | frostyfrog | In all honesty, I'd recommend something more like http://guides.railsgirls.com/sinatra-app or https://code.tutsplus.com/tutorials/how-to-create-a-phpmysql-powered-forum-from-scratch--net-10188 |
| 22:36.08 | joshh | sinatra is basically flask for ruby |
| 22:36.34 | joshh | not that it's identical, but sort of the similar de facto standard default small framework |
| 22:36.34 | frostyfrog | Yes, but at least it's not on python ;p |
| 22:36.41 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 22:36.49 | aeryndunham | Well, I know some Python, and I know zero Ruby. So. |
| 22:37.01 | joshh | python is better imo |
| 22:37.15 | frostyfrog | tries to abstain from this language war. |
| 22:37.19 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 22:37.35 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 22:37.46 | aeryndunham | I have no opinion of the merits of Python over Ruby, I just feel like if one is going to learn a framework, it should be for a language you've at least studied :P |
| 22:37.57 | jlp_znc | I have to say that I do not like the look of ruby, and I'm a perl programmer from way back. |
| 22:38.00 | joshh | ruby can be fun but less readable and less standard idioms, there are a lot of former perl people who write clever ruby now |
| 22:38.37 | joshh | and it has a lot of methods that are aliased to something else to cater to those of different backgrounds, etc |
| 22:39.09 | jlp_znc | python, on the other hand, is very clean and easy to write good code in. |
| 22:39.09 | joshh | i own a small sinatra app now and just a couple days ago realized that inject is the same as reduce |
| 22:39.23 | jlp_znc | (except for it's regular expression handling, which reminds me of java) |
| 22:39.24 | aeryndunham | But yes, dynamic content. I don't really feel like writing a CMS from scratch, the one I'm using now was enough work to get going. |
| 22:40.02 | frostyfrog | inserts random tabs into jlp_znc's code. |
| 22:40.22 | aeryndunham | I have no doubt that I could learn Django, it's just hard to fabricate project ideas. Or, it is for me anyway. |
| 22:41.20 | joshh | basically django is for when you want one app to do everything, flask is for when you have a bunch of small services or a very simple app that doesn't need anything fancy |
| 22:41.39 | frostyfrog | joshh: That's kinda what I like about it, because whatever you're thinking of can work. "How do I if it's a number again? *tries .number?* IT WORKS!" |
| 22:42.18 | joshh | lol ya |
| 22:43.02 | frostyfrog | "how do I [check] if it's a number"* |
| 22:43.15 | unum | I have plenty of project ideas :) |
| 22:43.30 | jlp_znc | frostyfrog: no worries, my editor will strip them out |
| 22:43.32 | unum | of course I don't know if I'll finish them know I have a feel for the framework |
| 22:44.18 | unum | I did my budgetting app, and wheel of time app |
| 22:45.13 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: here's a project for you... I have a neighbor who paints (typically landscapes or wildlife). he has a terrible gallery web site that his nephew set up. |
| 22:45.17 | unum | then I have projects for some other people |
| 22:45.29 | unum | I was going to ask her if she knows any small business owners |
| 22:45.45 | unum | they all have software apps they would love to have implemented |
| 22:45.51 | jlp_znc | I started writing a new site for him that would allow him to upload painting thumbnails along with details (type of canvas, paints, etc.) for his gallery. |
| 22:46.15 | jlp_znc | never finished it (real world got in the way). |
| 22:49.04 | aeryndunham | ooh I've actually just been invited out for a drink |
| 22:49.11 | aeryndunham | so I am going to *gasp* leave my apartment |
| 22:49.39 | joshh | what about the daystar |
| 22:49.49 | jlp_znc | wear a hat! |
| 22:51.41 | jlp_znc | here's an example of his art: https://fineartamerica.com/featured/mallards-rod-serbousek.html |