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| 14:49.36 | CrowderSoup | Was trying to figure out mobile clients and Irssi yesterday to no avail... back to using the Chrome app CIRC for now. |
| 14:49.40 | CrowderSoup | What clients do y'all use? |
| 15:00.44 | spangborn | IRCCloud |
| 15:01.29 | CrowderSoup | Ah, yeah I saw that. Wasn't really all that excited to pay for it :/ |
| 15:17.26 | spangborn | You can use the free Tier |
| 15:17.34 | spangborn | Has nice mobile apps too |
| 15:17.52 | spangborn | It'll just disconnect you after two hours of inactivity |
| 15:22.24 | CrowderSoup | ah, I didn't notice t he free tier. Might have to circle back to it. |
| 15:22.47 | CrowderSoup | It was the only mobile app I could get to work. Mutter kept complaining that I didn't config correctly. |
| 15:25.46 | CrowderSoup | Has anyone played around with https://www.scuttlebutt.nz/ ? |
| 15:46.31 | spangborn | Slack-esque app? |
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| 16:01.14 | CrowderSoup | spangborn: no, ssb (Secure Scuttlebutt) is a distributed database. There are things built on top of it, like Patchwork (social) and a github replacement. |
| 16:01.34 | spangborn | Ahhhh |
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| 16:01.35 | CrowderSoup | Basically, you write to your log locally, and then ssb publishes your log to others |
| 16:01.44 | spangborn | I briefly looked at it while walking for coffee |
| 16:01.47 | frostyfrog | Secure Scuttlebutt? xD |
| 16:02.13 | CrowderSoup | haha, if you read the description they explain why they named it that... Makes sense, but it is a silly name |
| 16:02.21 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 16:02.23 | CrowderSoup | Basically it's a "gossip" network |
| 16:03.05 | CrowderSoup | So you could be following me on the network and I'll publish a message, and then you publish that message to people that follow you |
| 16:03.15 | CrowderSoup | So all messages get distributed through the network |
| 16:04.11 | frostyfrog | Soo... distributed social media? |
| 16:04.14 | frostyfrog | Cool! |
| 16:04.45 | CrowderSoup | More than social media, but yeah. They have a github replacement built on top of it as well. |
| 16:04.59 | CrowderSoup | But the possibilities are endless. Someone else is building a SoundCloud replacement |
| 16:05.01 | CrowderSoup | https://staltz.com/an-off-grid-social-network.html |
| 16:05.11 | CrowderSoup | That guy has a good post about the social aspect of it |
| 16:05.32 | CrowderSoup | But SSB in general is MUCH more than social. |
| 16:10.27 | frostyfrog | Now, I wonder if no SSL encryption is a consideration... >_> |
| 16:11.39 | CrowderSoup | All messages are signed using public/private keys, so only people who you intend to receive your messages do. |
| 16:20.34 | straya | CrowderSoup: use quassel, great mobile apps, great desktop and web apps |
| 16:29.34 | frostyfrog | signed, or encrypted? |
| 16:30.02 | straya | hopefully both |
| 16:30.02 | spangborn | frostyfrog: important distinction :) |
| 16:30.43 | frostyfrog | spangborn: indeed xD I don't see how signing a message stops someone else from reading the message. |
| 16:31.08 | frostyfrog | straya: That depends. If it's encrypted I can't put it on certain networks. |
| 16:31.08 | spangborn | Unless it's signed by a "Hey don't read this" user |
| 16:31.38 | spangborn | Sounds like a deal breaker |
| 16:32.41 | frostyfrog | yup, then again, I was just going to play with it anyways. Would be interesting if it could be used within a mesh network. But meh, there's meshchat for that anyways. |
| 16:33.34 | straya | frostyfrog: yeah yeah you and your ham networking |
| 16:33.53 | frostyfrog | :P |
| 16:34.08 | straya | (not that I have anything against it, I just have bigger RF fish to fry) |
| 16:34.55 | straya | I also think I'm slightly too far south to hit the mesh |
| 16:35.09 | CrowderSoup | Sorry, meant to say signed and encrypted |
| 16:36.10 | CrowderSoup | And yeah, it can be used with Mesh networks. People are even running it via cjdns or whatever that's called |
| 16:36.13 | frostyfrog | CrowderSoup: I figured that it was encrypted, I was just poking fun ;) Pretty cool that it's signed as well. |
| 16:37.07 | frostyfrog | CrowderSoup: HAM mesh networks can't encrypt data due to FCC rules/regulations, from my understanding. |
| 16:37.32 | frostyfrog | straya: How far south? |
| 16:37.38 | CrowderSoup | Ah, so TECHNICALLY it would work, but legally it won't |
| 16:37.40 | CrowderSoup | ? |
| 16:37.46 | straya | frostyfrog: Orem |
| 16:37.46 | frostyfrog | yup |
| 16:38.20 | CrowderSoup | interesting, learned something new today! |
| 16:38.26 | frostyfrog | straya: Ah, so not further than spanish fork? You're within range. |
| 16:38.34 | straya | oh wonderful |
| 16:38.38 | straya | are you in spanish fark |
| 16:38.54 | straya | maybe I should try and hit it then |
| 16:39.08 | frostyfrog | Nah, this is the map that N1SC and others setup |
| 16:39.13 | frostyfrog | https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1k9E_RjMaKY4COqo11LOQEXfkOSE&ll=40.30913262430254%2C-111.72713758951386&z=11 |
| 16:39.22 | frostyfrog | Essentially a "list of nodes" |
| 16:39.57 | straya | yeah, I should be able to hit it over the lake |
| 16:40.06 | straya | I actually know where the KG7SFF nodes are lol |
| 16:40.30 | straya | I can see them from my satellite dishes |
| 16:40.38 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 16:40.53 | straya | at least, I'm about 90% sure those are they |
| 16:43.34 | straya | I have all the stuff to connect laying around... |
| 16:43.39 | straya | I just don't have time to put it up |
| 16:44.35 | frostyfrog | I've successfully connected to it. In my case though, I don't know where to put the antenna :p Gotta work with my dad on that one. |
| 16:45.00 | straya | I'll just hang it off the back of my truck and be a mobile mesh node |
| 16:45.03 | frostyfrog | BTW, you're most likely way more knowledgable than me as far as ham stuff goes. |
| 16:45.08 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 16:45.11 | frostyfrog | Perfect |
| 16:45.14 | spangborn | I prefer bacon to ham |
| 16:45.16 | straya | that should anger plenty of people |
| 16:45.19 | frostyfrog | Use like a dipole unit. |
| 16:45.31 | frostyfrog | x3 |
| 16:45.42 | straya | its ok, you'll learn more soon enough |
| 16:49.39 | frostyfrog | tries. |
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| 17:09.14 | straya | frostyfrog: :D |
| 17:13.27 | aeryndunham | Studying is boring today..... |
| 17:13.33 | aeryndunham | is learning about CPUS :/ |
| 17:16.50 | straya | aeryndunham: but processor architectures are fascinating! |
| 17:17.50 | programmerq | I saw a fairly interesting talk about the original gameboy |
| 17:18.11 | programmerq | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyzD8pNlpwI |
| 17:18.17 | programmerq | it's pretty dense |
| 17:18.29 | programmerq | it's not the sort of thing you'll digest in one viewing |
| 17:19.30 | aeryndunham | straya: It's the kind of thing I should be fincing fascinating, so I'm not sure why I'm so bored today |
| 17:22.42 | straya | wanna argue over harvard and von neumann designs? |
| 17:24.02 | TodPunk | I think we can all agree that x86 is terrible |
| 17:24.39 | aeryndunham | Hah I don't know enough to argue about that |
| 17:24.47 | aeryndunham | I do need to pick a CPU for my new computer though |
| 17:25.45 | straya | TodPunk: sure |
| 17:26.23 | manithree | http://yarchive.net/comp/linux/x86.html |
| 17:26.24 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: if you're cheap, go AMD. If you want performance at lower heat but higher prices, go Intel. |
| 17:27.04 | TodPunk | i5 will do you fine, i7 will be overkill 99% of the time, don't ever do an i3 if you like computers. |
| 17:27.13 | aeryndunham | I'm not cheap, I just... want to get what I need |
| 17:27.31 | aeryndunham | which is, I think, i5, but knowing that better exists makes that choice difficult, even though I know i7 is overkill for gaming |
| 17:27.43 | TodPunk | i7 is overkill for /most/ things |
| 17:27.58 | TodPunk | it is a better CPU, don't get me wrong, but it's not ENOUGH better |
| 17:28.04 | TodPunk | certainly not for the price difference |
| 17:28.12 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 17:28.28 | straya | i7 is not overkill for ridiculous amounts of math computing :P |
| 17:28.35 | aeryndunham | Ryzen sounded promising but looks like Intel is still better? |
| 17:28.39 | TodPunk | Much like a Nvidia 980 is overkill for most things, a 970 will save $200 but you'll go from 140FPS to 130 |
| 17:28.54 | TodPunk | Ryzen does sound promising but it's new and expensive |
| 17:28.55 | aeryndunham | Chris is giving me his 980 |
| 17:29.01 | TodPunk | yeah, I know |
| 17:29.04 | aeryndunham | ah sorry |
| 17:29.05 | manithree | how much are bragging rights worth? |
| 17:29.12 | TodPunk | again, just an example most people can relate to |
| 17:29.15 | straya | manithree: meaningless internet points |
| 17:29.27 | TodPunk | manithree: the same as my reddit karma |
| 17:29.30 | manithree | has AMD processors in all his pcs |
| 17:29.35 | TodPunk | I think the exchange rate is 1:1 |
| 17:30.08 | TodPunk | I have an AMD in my file server |
| 17:30.12 | TodPunk | because it was cheap |
| 17:30.43 | TodPunk | I think my kids' machines are AMD, too |
| 17:30.54 | manithree | even my htpc is AMD, where an Intel might be cooler, but it was inexpensive |
| 17:30.57 | TodPunk | been a couple years |
| 17:31.09 | TodPunk | pfft, yeah, an htpc doesn't need to do much |
| 17:31.26 | TodPunk | /maybe/ transcoding/decoding, but that's been a solved problem on just about every CPU for several years now |
| 17:31.30 | manithree | But it runs hotter than if it had an intel laptop cpu |
| 17:31.32 | TodPunk | when was Nephalem? |
| 17:31.38 | straya | nehalem? ages ago |
| 17:31.42 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 17:31.46 | TodPunk | sorry, added P from Diablo |
| 17:31.51 | straya | 2008 |
| 17:32.00 | TodPunk | that was when transcoding became childs play |
| 17:32.11 | straya | it was the very first i series cpu |
| 17:32.11 | aeryndunham | just read about that like 2 mins ago; Nehalem |
| 17:33.35 | manithree | I've managed to avoid x86 assembly and its "grottyness" since college |
| 17:39.37 | frostyfrog | I'm thinking I might de better with an i7 than my i5. I'm getting small lag spikes in overwatch when I play |
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| 17:43.06 | aeryndunham | I wish Blizzard did game sharing like Steam accounts do. I'd like to give Overwatch a try, but I'm not going to buy my own copy for a game I might not like, especially when Chris has it... |
| 17:45.29 | programmerq | they bank on the fact that their games are very well received. |
| 17:45.37 | programmerq | and they don't have many |
| 17:46.02 | programmerq | I bought overwatch. it's fun, but I enjoy that style game with friends more than online |
| 17:46.06 | programmerq | and only about half of us have it |
| 17:46.10 | programmerq | so we end up playing tf2 |
| 17:46.25 | SunSparc | I have played it. Very fun. Only downside, it is only available for Windows. What? Blizzard? |
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| 17:58.06 | unum | today's alt text on xkcd is the best |
| 17:58.40 | aeryndunham | lolol |
| 17:58.41 | aeryndunham | that is good |
| 18:00.33 | straya | is tf2 still as fun as it is when I last played it? |
| 18:00.54 | aeryndunham | I've never played |
| 18:01.21 | aeryndunham | continues to just be a WoW nerd who falls into occasional marathons of both Sims 4 and Civ VI |
| 18:02.49 | aeryndunham | is trying to make herself study all the things before gaming today, though |
| 18:05.25 | eightyeight | unum: https://pavelfatin.com/images/typing/editor-latency-linux-xml-native-vs-virtualbox.png |
| 18:06.19 | eightyeight | from the blog post: https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ |
| 18:14.05 | unum | I haven't had a chance to play enough civ vi to really get a feel for it yet |
| 18:14.24 | unum | though I think it just started running on linux last month |
| 18:14.30 | programmerq | I've played the tutorial on civ V |
| 18:14.32 | manithree | didn't know there were vi keybindings for civ |
| 18:15.14 | unum | I have to admit I've really enjoy the steam challanges with civ v |
| 18:15.35 | unum | eightyeight: I've been using komodo for the last couple of years |
| 18:16.09 | aeryndunham | when I write any code, I use atom |
| 18:16.28 | eightyeight | give me vim or give me death |
| 18:18.18 | unum | so while my daughters were taking a bath I started reading my book, they finished up as I was reading about three main characters fighting for their lives, so I stopped to give my son a bath |
| 18:18.25 | unum | I never made it back to my book |
| 19:28.53 | spangborn | RIP main characters |
| 19:29.00 | spangborn | They didn't have a chance |
| 19:29.58 | frostyfrog | Poor protagonists :( |
| 19:34.54 | unum | am slightly concerned about a couple of their friends that were helping out.... |
| 19:35.11 | unum | ten years ago I implemented a database |
| 19:35.19 | unum | we have main web interface for it |
| 19:35.29 | unum | two smaller specialized web interfaces |
| 19:35.41 | unum | a couple of desktop aps that interface with it |
| 19:35.52 | unum | over a dozen cron jobs that use it |
| 19:36.06 | unum | and probably dozen other scripts that use it |
| 19:36.11 | unum | cli scripts |
| 19:36.34 | unum | plus an android app that interacts through a rest api |
| 19:36.50 | unum | there is talk of a rewrite from scratch...... |
| 19:37.03 | unum | I'm putting together a little presentation to explain what that entails |
| 19:37.17 | frostyfrog | .... |
| 19:37.22 | frostyfrog | Um... |
| 19:37.45 | unum | the main web app also interacts with apis on three different servers |
| 19:37.47 | frostyfrog | It's hard to rip and replace like that UNLESS you have an interface that everything talks through. |
| 19:37.55 | frostyfrog | Ugh |
| 19:38.28 | frostyfrog | Good luck on convincing them. Looks like you have plenty of ammo |
| 19:38.42 | unum | creating a rest api and then moving everything over to it slowly could be a good idea |
| 19:39.51 | unum | but I'm not sure :( |
| 19:40.10 | unum | our main vendor is switching all their stuff to a rest api |
| 19:40.23 | unum | which is nice because that's three less api's I have to maintain |
| 19:40.53 | unum | they're also providing their own front end stuff, but we could just ignore that |
| 19:47.45 | eightyeight | https://www.humblebundle.com/books/brandon-sanderson-book-bundle |
| 19:47.47 | eightyeight | ^ winning |
| 19:54.26 | frostyfrog | Anonymous? |
| 19:59.56 | unum | oooh |
| 20:08.32 | aeryndunham | ok, I'm trying to buy theater tickets, and I can have 18th row orchestra or 2nd row front mezzanine for the same price. which would you take? |
| 20:08.50 | aeryndunham | I'm thinking 2nd row mezzanine |
| 20:09.39 | straya | honestly depends on the theater |
| 20:09.44 | straya | but in general, probs the mezzanine |
| 20:10.26 | aeryndunham | I've never been to this theater |
| 20:10.49 | aeryndunham | I think I'll do mezzanine though |
| 20:10.53 | unum | if it's the logan eccles theater(I know it's not) take the orchestra |
| 20:11.02 | unum | there's no leg room in the mezzanine |
| 20:11.11 | aeryndunham | hah, it's not, but we're both short |
| 20:11.32 | unum | I'm 6ft, and last time we got mezzanine my wife was pregnant |
| 20:11.39 | unum | we always take the orchestra when we go there now |
| 20:12.57 | aeryndunham | I think because I'm short I'd rather not have 17 rows of people in front of me |
| 20:13.13 | aeryndunham | If I could get, like, 5th row orchestra, that'd be another story |
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| 20:24.10 | TodPunk | unum: if it's postgres, replace things in legacy with a materialized view of the old layout, and make changes as you need from there, making the old deprecated in 6-18 months to give people time to move. |
| 20:24.28 | TodPunk | unless they don't access the DB directly |
| 20:24.31 | TodPunk | but it sounded like they do |
| 20:37.38 | aeryndunham | overly expensive theater tickets acquired =) |
| 20:39.28 | romanovic | aeryndunham: movie or play? |
| 20:39.43 | aeryndunham | play |
| 20:40.16 | aeryndunham | national tour of Matilda |
| 20:40.21 | aeryndunham | (musical) |
| 20:40.48 | romanovic | ah. |
| 20:40.54 | aeryndunham | I love love love musical theater |
| 20:40.55 | romanovic | finally reads the channel history |
| 20:44.06 | aeryndunham | Chris has literally never seen live theater, and I've been wanting to take him to something, but local theater scares me because it could be awful and I wouldn't want to scare him away |
| 20:44.17 | aeryndunham | this is kind of a "kid" musical but at least the production values will be high |
| 20:49.14 | unum | TodPunk: that's part of my plan |
| 20:49.32 | unum | that I've been working on |
| 20:49.40 | unum | I've been moving all my php code to classes |
| 20:50.19 | unum | the real trick for me is understanding how to slowly move my code into a framework |
| 20:50.28 | unum | but maybe that's not as hard as I think |
| 20:50.42 | unum | just have a legacy directory.... |
| 20:52.23 | TodPunk | does PHP have interfaces? |
| 20:52.40 | TodPunk | apparently yes |
| 20:55.56 | unum | sorry I took so longer to answer |
| 20:56.03 | unum | I need to switch to chromium |
| 20:56.09 | unum | firefox hung on me |
| 20:56.39 | unum | though I should have just said yes since I attended a presentation on that stuff last month |
| 20:56.44 | unum | I forget the terminology |
| 20:59.04 | unum | so ya my argument is going to be fix the tables names through materialized views |
| 20:59.22 | unum | refactor the php code into [framework] |
| 21:00.35 | unum | and rewrite all the perl code into the php app |
| 21:18.39 | romanovic | any java/c# developers looking for work? |
| 21:19.40 | TodPunk | I'm a C# developer, but I'm employed and most C# shops hate me |
| 21:19.41 | romanovic | or not looking, but could be convinced for the right price? |
| 21:20.03 | spangborn | Why do they hate you? |
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| 21:20.21 | TodPunk | I'm not very enterprise healthy |
| 21:20.49 | spangborn | You should see Beverly Crusher then |
| 21:20.54 | spangborn | She's an Enterprise Doctor |
| 21:21.01 | TodPunk | Oh, I see Dr. Crusher |
| 21:21.42 | TodPunk | totally had a crush on Dr. Crusher as a kid |
| 21:21.47 | spangborn | Same |
| 21:22.51 | TodPunk | But seriously, C# shops tend to get into a self-induced stupor over design patterns and credentials. I don't have a degree, so that usually stops the conversation, and the convos I've had are usually very much a "um... your company doesn't really do much, why do you have 80 devs?" |
| 21:23.01 | TodPunk | It's worse in Java, though |
| 21:23.05 | TodPunk | far worse |
| 21:23.37 | TodPunk | There's a couple exceptions to this experience that I have noted, both were MLM services companies |
| 21:24.01 | TodPunk | They just happened to be using C# and were more web-dev shops that enjoyed MS |
| 21:26.29 | TodPunk | romanovic: aren't you clear up north anyway? Like, Layton? |
| 21:29.05 | romanovic | TodPunk: no, American Fork |
| 21:29.16 | romanovic | where I work, anyway. |
| 21:29.22 | TodPunk | oh right, you moved recently (workplace) |
| 21:29.26 | romanovic | yes. |
| 21:29.39 | TodPunk | Tell me it isn't Domo |
| 21:29.45 | TodPunk | I need to hear these words |
| 21:29.57 | romanovic | *crickets* |
| 21:30.01 | TodPunk | God dammit |
| 21:30.56 | TodPunk | Domo: "Charting Dashboards: The Company" |
| 21:31.42 | TodPunk | I swear that guy takes a popular google library for free, makes it enterprise as hell and sells it to Pepsi every time |
| 21:32.07 | TodPunk | (with added value, yes, I get it) |
| 21:33.46 | romanovic | that's about as much as I knew about Domo before starting as well. I haven't actually worked on any front-end charting related software in my time here. |
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| 21:39.23 | TodPunk | Most of what I know about the company is from the sales people |
| 21:39.39 | TodPunk | I'm sure there's a lot of complicated actual tech there, truth be told |
| 21:39.51 | TodPunk | their platform is a lot more expansive than what they sell |
| 21:41.09 | romanovic | my previous jobs were "Glorified Calendars for Doctors: The Company" and "EMR PDF Creator: The Company". But such appellations would belie the explosive success of those companies as well |
| 21:44.00 | TodPunk | oh, my assessment has nothing to do with the viability of the company |
| 21:44.06 | TodPunk | nothing whatsoever |
| 21:44.55 | TodPunk | my current employer is a fancy automation of wireless billing that really amounts to checking what your usage is in comparison to your plan, and spending the rest of the time convincing you to keep paying us with charts about how much you're saving and how many problems you keep gaining because people change |
| 21:45.10 | TodPunk | It's a niche, but fantasticly useful company and the tech is boring as all get |
| 21:45.58 | TodPunk | I work here because it's chill and I take a pay cut to not have a lot of responsibility for making or breaking the company for once. I don't pretend it's glamorous or anything |
| 21:46.23 | TodPunk | plus they let me work on my own side thing outside work, so that's an additional plus |
| 21:46.31 | TodPunk | a lot of companies seem to not like that |
| 21:46.44 | TodPunk | avoids those companies |
| 21:47.28 | romanovic | yeah, that's unfortunate. I usually have a thing going on outside of work as well |
| 21:49.00 | romanovic | and I always disclose them and express my intent to continue working on the things |
| 22:11.12 | programmerq | carpal tunnel, de quervain's tendinosis, and tennis elbow |
| 22:11.19 | programmerq | 800mg of ibuprofin doesn't really help |
| 22:11.24 | programmerq | :( |
| 22:14.30 | TodPunk | true |
| 22:22.57 | romanovic | programmerq: what happened? |
| 22:25.18 | romanovic | just, occupational overuse injury? |
| 22:25.58 | unum | my tech is more boring than your tech :p |
| 22:26.54 | TodPunk | My wife has tendonitis |
| 22:27.09 | TodPunk | it is no bueno and I do not envy programmerq's next couple months |
| 22:27.56 | spangborn | I get it in my knees |
| 22:28.04 | spangborn | It's not pleasant. |
| 22:30.41 | programmerq | yeah, repetitive strain |
| 22:31.01 | programmerq | I'm begging work to send me out a motorized standing desk (I'm a remote employee, and they don't do that normally) |
| 22:31.17 | programmerq | I just got them to agree to reimburse for up to the dollar amount of the solution they do send to remote folks |
| 22:31.32 | programmerq | so I'm pretty happy about that. :) |
| 22:31.46 | programmerq | I have to wear braces as much as possible |
| 22:31.51 | programmerq | I ordered a vertical mouse |
| 22:32.01 | programmerq | a wrist rest gel pad |
| 22:32.17 | programmerq | I'm also thinking about getting an ergodox |
| 23:11.27 | romanovic | wow, I haven't ever seen a vertical mouse before. |
| 23:12.04 | romanovic | I get a lot of pain in my left arm, not from overuse, but because I keep subconsciously resting my elbow on the hard desk surface |
