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| 15:54.53 | keldwud | any leads on employers looking for a linux engineer with experience in networking, infrastructure, platforms (i.e. software stacks),CI/CD and automation? |
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| 15:56.48 | straya | has anyone here written a networking stack from scratch? |
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| 16:05.42 | frostyfrog | does iptables rules count? xP |
| 16:06.12 | frostyfrog | hasn't done a stack from the bottom from scratch |
| 16:06.43 | straya | haha, I wish |
| 16:06.45 | straya | cause I can write those |
| 16:10.10 | straya | basically, in space we get packets from a radio on a UART line into a uClinux machine, these packets are framed using the SLIP start and end bytes, the packets are in the Space Packet Protocol format, I then need to work with the data in them |
| 16:10.26 | straya | and unfortunately I can't find a reference implementation for any of this |
| 16:10.35 | straya | so I'm trying to figure out if I'm overthinking this whole process |
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| 16:16.23 | keldwud | I am amazed. I have two 9 year-olds working independently on washing the dishes, doing laundry and cleaning the floor! They haven't bothered me for almost 30 minutes. |
| 16:17.08 | keldwud | all I did was lay out my expectations for the day. I said: "I expect the following tasks to be completed before we leave the house today" and listed the tasks. |
| 16:17.15 | keldwud | makes me so happy when they work hard together |
| 16:18.20 | straya | wow! |
| 16:18.22 | straya | congrats keldwud |
| 16:18.36 | manithree | yeah |
| 16:18.47 | keldwud | lol |
| 16:18.58 | keldwud | now they're arguing over who gets to fold the clothes |
| 16:19.15 | keldwud | I feel like a boss right now |
| 16:22.35 | manithree | https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ef/26/1a/ef261aaada2f52466f4acc5d909402f4.jpg |
| 16:29.10 | programmerq | yeah, it's super nice when kids just decide to do the stuff they're asked to. |
| 16:33.03 | keldwud | lol, this web form has an account number field that obfuscates the numbers but then in the "verify account number" field, it is plain text |
| 16:41.42 | TodPunk | straya: a toy one based on uIP, but not anything useful in the slightest |
| 16:42.07 | straya | TodPunk: so, if I asked nice could you explain how priorities work? |
| 16:42.21 | TodPunk | like, QoS? |
| 16:43.08 | straya | yes, at the lowest level you can |
| 16:46.00 | TodPunk | So, you're going to have a raw traffic buffer of some kind at some level, maybe several. When you take stuff off that buffer in packet form, you will likely put it into other buffers to be handled by other systems. So like, the ethernet stack can take stuff out of the ethernet frames and into IP packets, which can then get thrown as structs or whatever into buffers for TCP, UDP, etc if you want, or some other queue structure, or whatever |
| 16:47.23 | straya | yep, of course |
| 16:47.58 | TodPunk | QoS happens at different levels in the network stack, so it could be marked in the ethernet frame, IP packet, TCP packet, etc. Outgoing or incoming. You have to have some mechanism for handling the level(s) you care about. |
| 16:48.42 | TodPunk | Mostly I assume that just moves things higher into the queue and one just maintains pointers to the spot where level N starts, and you just insert before/after that for the N priority level. |
| 16:49.32 | straya | ok |
| 16:49.54 | TodPunk | The only thing dictated about any of this is the markers on the packets, so it depends on your architecture what makes more sense. If you're dealing with less buffers, you'll just need an indicator to whatever is processing the packets that it should look at THESE packets before or something. |
| 16:50.03 | TodPunk | God help you if you're doing this on multiple threads. |
| 16:50.12 | straya | TodPunk: god help me because I have no mmu |
| 16:51.06 | straya | but anyhow, thanks for the information, I have no specifications in my packet protocol for a priority flag, so I'll have to decide whether to tack one in in my secondary header. Do you think its a worthwhile addition to a system? |
| 16:52.55 | TodPunk | QoS is usually only helpful in things that need to happen in realtime, like VoIP, or if you're sharing a limited pipe amongst hogs, like in the case with my children at our last house. |
| 16:53.49 | straya | great, so I'm throwing it out of this system entirely |
| 16:53.49 | TodPunk | If you can't keep up with the stack as it is plainly coming in, chances are adding this complexity won't save much of anything. |
| 16:54.47 | TodPunk | This is also why QoS formalizations only happened way later in the networking standards world |
| 16:54.55 | TodPunk | and aren't prolific |
| 16:55.19 | straya | whichs begs the question why on earth is there a QOS implementation in CSP |
| 16:56.01 | TodPunk | what is that TLA in this case? |
| 16:56.28 | jlp_znc | if you want to see an implementation of a full network stack that ran on tiny computers in the 80s, Phil Karn's KA9Q package source code is available here: http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/ |
| 16:56.45 | TodPunk | nice |
| 16:57.35 | straya | TodPunk: Cubesat Space Protocol, something some students dreamed up and I was looking at its implementation as a reference for my implemenation of the CCSDS's very own SPP (Space Packet Protocol) |
| 16:57.51 | TodPunk | that kind of answers it |
| 16:58.04 | TodPunk | students |
| 16:58.33 | straya | what frustrates me most is that the CCSDS and all its proponents somehow do not have a reference implemenation of SPP and I can't find one |
| 16:58.41 | TodPunk | (plus, space does have some QoS needs in general, so you can prioritize much more needed data on a tiny insignificant pipe) |
| 16:59.00 | straya | space does have lots of QoS needs |
| 16:59.07 | straya | the pipe I've developed caps at about 300kb/s |
| 16:59.24 | straya | I've got very little power to work with, so this is a surprisingly good number for the system |
| 16:59.54 | jlp_znc | have you looked at any of the proceedings of the Small Satellite Conference (held in Logan each year)? |
| 17:00.12 | straya | jlp_znc: I was at it :) |
| 17:00.21 | jlp_znc | http://digitalcommons.usu.edu/smallsat/ |
| 17:00.24 | jlp_znc | ahh |
| 17:00.41 | straya | so in that sense, yes, I have |
| 17:02.13 | TodPunk | straya: this one has some packet descriptions of related things, might be helpful? http://www.telemetryspectrum.org/docs/CCSDS-New-ETTC2015.pdf |
| 17:03.36 | straya | not loading for me, but I assume it just has definitions of the packets? |
| 17:03.43 | straya | I already have all that on my whiteboard :P |
| 17:03.56 | straya | my problem is not understanding what makes it up, its actually putting together the code that handles it all |
| 17:04.01 | TodPunk | It's a presentation. It has a header for an IPE packet as example |
| 17:04.21 | straya | ah |
| 17:04.40 | TodPunk | dunno what audience wanted a slide with an IPE packet header description, but ok |
| 17:06.11 | jlp_znc | I could put you in touch with Bob Bruninga at the US Naval Academy Satellite Lab |
| 17:06.32 | jlp_znc | I don't remember, are you a ham, straya? |
| 17:06.37 | straya | jlp_znc: KF5WPA |
| 17:07.22 | jlp_znc | excellent.... Bob is WB4APR... he developed the APRS system and has been involved in satellite stuff with the US Naval Academy for years. |
| 17:08.12 | jlp_znc | wb4apr@amsat.org |
| 17:10.12 | jlp_znc | he can definitely get you in contact with others who have solved similar problems |
| 17:10.16 | straya | mhm |
| 17:10.24 | jlp_znc | (FYI, I am KD7ZWV) |
| 17:10.26 | straya | I've got friends at amsat as well |
| 17:10.37 | straya | sadly, we are not an amateur satellite |
| 17:10.58 | jlp_znc | no, but many of the problems you are encountering have likely been solved (many times) before. |
| 17:11.03 | straya | oh definitely |
| 17:11.13 | jlp_znc | I suspect Bob would be happy to give you some pointers to some reference implementations. |
| 17:11.35 | straya | jlp_znc: I would hope so, but my fear is that because of the nature of missions that use CCSDS standards, they're all going to be hidden from the public eye |
| 17:11.38 | jlp_znc | one thing about the amateur community is that they generally are not stingy with their source code :-) |
| 17:11.52 | straya | Amateur's typically don't like the CCSDS standards :P |
| 17:12.35 | jlp_znc | hmmm |
| 17:12.43 | jlp_znc | well, it was worth a shot |
| 17:12.45 | straya | I'm definitely going to give it a shot |
| 17:13.13 | straya | It's an avenue I started down at the beginning of this project but my friend there kinda turned me away when he found out I had to use the words encryption and security |
| 17:13.34 | jlp_znc | yeah, there is that |
| 17:13.52 | jlp_znc | what's your application, if you don't mind my asking? |
| 17:14.00 | straya | this is an earth imaging system |
| 17:14.42 | jlp_znc | ahh, cool. |
| 17:15.54 | jlp_znc | have you seen this: http://yuasatakayuki.github.io/CCSDSLibrary/ |
| 17:22.40 | straya | no |
| 17:22.53 | straya | but thats what I want to see |
| 17:26.55 | straya | where did you find that? |
| 17:30.36 | TodPunk | on github |
| 17:30.41 | straya | unfortunately, what they implemented in that project, I've already implemented myself |
| 17:30.57 | straya | its the send/recv functionality I still have to develop, I can generate and interpret packets quite happily now |
| 17:31.33 | TodPunk | are you essentially talking about drivers for the radio then? |
| 17:32.23 | straya | TodPunk: roughly? |
| 17:32.33 | straya | the radio talks to the flight computer over a UART, so I need no new drivers there |
| 17:32.46 | youtah | You guys ever written an automated system for a serial console? |
| 17:32.53 | youtah | that is what I am working on |
| 17:32.56 | youtah | very interesting |
| 17:33.04 | youtah | a whole different ball game than say... ssh? |
| 17:33.54 | youtah | how are you guys today btw? |
| 17:35.01 | straya | TodPunk: the radio handles packet routing for the most part, I simple need to write something that applications can talk to with data streams and have them be transmitted in packets, so as far as I understand it, a TCP/IP equivalent |
| 17:35.25 | TodPunk | youtah: yes, but in C# |
| 17:36.44 | TodPunk | straya: it sounds like the bit you're lacking is the bit that just shoves things onto the radio in a format it understands? Which wouldn't be the packets problem, it would be the radio UART format that you'd need docs for? |
| 17:37.23 | straya | TodPunk: oh, I can do that |
| 17:37.30 | straya | I can shove packets at the radio just fine |
| 17:37.41 | straya | I'm trying to develop a system so userland can talk to my stack |
| 17:37.46 | aeryndunham | ... my boss from ship just emailed me to ask me to go help on an overly busy ship |
| 17:38.34 | straya | TodPunk: my issue is the part where I can't tell applications here is your networking API, go from here |
| 17:38.45 | straya | if I told applications okay here is how you build a packet, here is how you send a packet |
| 17:38.47 | straya | I'd be fine |
| 17:38.52 | straya | but, applications don't want that |
| 17:39.02 | TodPunk | oh, so you're talking about exposing an API for this |
| 17:39.11 | TodPunk | to the rest of the OS processes |
| 17:39.33 | straya | yes |
| 17:39.49 | straya | I have a very hard time with words when I'm the only programmer and it just makes sense to me :P |
| 17:40.01 | TodPunk | I'd start looking at the linux kernel and slim it down =cP |
| 17:40.06 | straya | heh |
| 17:40.14 | straya | most of my current code is a simplified version of the linux kernel |
| 17:40.25 | straya | this is going to be fun |
| 17:40.35 | straya | honestly, not having an MMU and having to mmap everything is a huge pain |
| 18:02.24 | romanovic | aeryndunham: ...like, not realising you are gone? Or he knows you are gone and is desperately trying to bring you back temporarily to help out? |
| 18:02.53 | aeryndunham | Trying to bring me back temporarily to help |
| 18:03.11 | aeryndunham | My initial reaction was one of nausea and an incoming anxiety attack, so I'm probably gonna say no |
| 18:09.48 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠yeah, if that was your reaction then the answer is an easy no |
| 18:11.36 | aeryndunham | My boyfriend is trying to make the argument that if I'm trying to get a job at our head offices (which I am) doing a favor might look good for me |
| 18:11.39 | aeryndunham | but... no. just no. |
| 18:19.03 | programmerq | he's probably right, but if you're feeling that much anxiety when it's suggested.. just.. no. :) |
| 18:20.49 | aeryndunham | What I think I'm going to say is that I'm not interested in going to the ship, but if there's any way I can help out either that particular internet manager or any others via Slack or email by offering support, troubleshooting help, doing the traffic queries they are all too stupid to do themselves, whatever, I'm happy to do that. (something that has also been brought up in the past) |
| 19:47.46 | spangborn | I'm currently ~20yd away from the 16th most powerful woman in the world |
| 19:47.56 | Migs | is she hot? |
| 19:48.08 | spangborn | (She's the CEO of the company I work for.) |
| 19:50.06 | youtah | spangborn, just walk up, and say "wuzzup Abs?" |
| 19:50.30 | spangborn | Haha, she's getting a presentation on the project I worked on |
| 19:50.36 | spangborn | So presumably at some point I'll be introduced |
| 19:50.48 | youtah | just remember... she's worth $14.2 Billion |
| 19:52.09 | youtah | Strange to think that Zuckerface has surpassed the Koch brothers |
| 19:55.44 | Migs | But is she hot? |
| 19:58.47 | spangborn | I'll let you decide |
| 19:59.27 | Migs | k |
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| 20:04.15 | youtah | lol |
| 20:06.35 | CrowderSoup | exit |
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| 20:18.17 | youtah | yourmom(); |
| 20:18.26 | youtah | your.mom() |
| 20:26.05 | frostyfrog | you->GetSingleton()->GetMom(); |
| 20:28.56 | Migs | https://i.redditmedia.com/c2v3f0Rwz8ZJ88qDb8GgNS4XElPMynXVrvIAfgSo-yU.jpg?w=1024&s=0ef071a67802523f5646e17477c2ce8e |
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| 20:32.23 | Migs | https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/11/lyft-raises-600m-at-7-5b-valuation/ |
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| 20:57.59 | youtah | Is it 5 yet? |
| 20:58.15 | frostyfrog | I wish :P |
| 20:58.30 | aeryndunham | cries and can't write this email |
| 20:58.37 | frostyfrog | pats. |
| 20:59.11 | frostyfrog | I'd ask why, but I'm sure it's touchy so I won't. |
| 20:59.40 | frostyfrog | Soo, um... in other news, I may be going camping this weekend. :3 |
| 21:00.33 | TodPunk | how unfortunate, I'll be in a comfortable house enjoying indoor plumbing and food that can't be packed in. |
| 21:00.50 | TodPunk | There will probably be video games |
| 21:00.56 | frostyfrog | :P |
| 21:01.05 | frostyfrog | I'm bringing my laptop, you kidding me? |
| 21:01.37 | TodPunk | I remember we once did an extended family camping trip for the family reunion. Half the men brought laptops, I brought a switch and we played Starcraft. |
| 21:01.48 | frostyfrog | Maybe my mesh node, too. Me and youtah could play starcraft. |
| 21:01.53 | TodPunk | the wives were rather annoyed |
| 21:01.53 | frostyfrog | kids. |
| 21:02.27 | frostyfrog | If I can see lake mountain at all, I may be able to get wifi |
| 21:04.32 | straya | it isn't 5... |
| 21:04.36 | straya | I want it to be though |
| 21:04.37 | unum | I left my laptop home on my camping trip, some security certificates expired, I should have brought it and left it in the car |
| 21:29.03 | manithree | has confiscated tablets, phones, and laptops from scouts on camping trips |
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| 21:32.27 | youtah | I love camping!!! |
| 21:32.39 | youtah | You should try this site .... it's called the Hilton |
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| 21:41.03 | spangborn | Instructions unclear: in Paris |
| 21:47.21 | aeryndunham | I need a nice way to say "If what you're looking for is just a 2nd internet manager on the passeger front lines, I can't help you." |
| 21:48.22 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 21:48.50 | aeryndunham | And then continue to say but ACTUALLY what you need in xyz, which I AM willing to do |
| 21:48.50 | frostyfrog | youtah: you missed my response to Tod's unfortunate comment. x3 |
| 21:49.08 | aeryndunham | Simultaneously need to tell her, no, I won't do that, but also, you're wrong in thinking that is what you need |
| 21:49.56 | fadein | OpenWest community voting ends tomorrow! Hurry up and stuff your ballot boxes!!! |
| 21:50.07 | frostyfrog | D: |
| 21:50.12 | frostyfrog | I'm not done yet! |
| 21:54.05 | frostyfrog | I need to give everything a 1, I've just got a few hundred left to go! |
| 21:54.10 | frostyfrog | :P |
| 22:06.59 | youtah | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 22:07.00 | youtah | dang |
| 22:07.02 | youtah | what was it |
| 22:07.05 | youtah | frostyfrog? |
| 22:09.03 | frostyfrog | youtah: I was joking about bringing my laptop on the campout and playing starcraft with you over the mesh. Totally not worth trying to do (for more reasons than one, emergencies being the biggest), just me goofing off. |
| 22:09.16 | youtah | Hey, sounds legit |
| 22:09.30 | youtah | as not as you're not transmitting "music" |
| 22:09.41 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 22:10.06 | youtah | We joked about getting a massive minecraft server up and running on Mesh |
| 22:10.20 | frostyfrog | Starcraft 2 might do that if I had an internet connection. Starcraft 1 however, would just be sending map data across. |
| 22:10.29 | frostyfrog | ._. |
| 22:10.59 | frostyfrog | If I get my VLANs setup right, we could do that if people were serious about it >_> |
| 22:15.25 | TodPunk | youtah: Minecraft is... not very efficient in its data usage |
| 22:15.50 | TodPunk | Starcraft 1 was very playable over tiny bandwidth pipes |
| 22:15.51 | aeryndunham | that email was probably way too long |
| 22:15.54 | frostyfrog | Not at all :p |
| 22:15.57 | youtah | TodPunk so you're saying it's a challenge? |
| 22:16.44 | youtah | <3's his 1Gbps internet connection |
| 22:16.46 | TodPunk | I'm saying it's mostly a matter of "will it finish sending every bit of data about every item in the entire server for miles around you before the timeout in Java raises a NullPointerException?" |
| 22:16.56 | TodPunk | as opposed to a challenge |
| 22:17.11 | youtah | we have 5Ghz links |
| 22:17.27 | youtah | but yeah.... minecraft would bring the mesh network to it's knees |
| 22:17.29 | RyanE | yeah, but you have to live there... :) |
| 22:17.46 | youtah | RyanE it's not like I'm in Provo |
| 22:17.51 | RyanE | heh |
| 22:18.01 | youtah | or on BYU's campus |
| 22:18.01 | RyanE | I'm just bitter. Crappy internet choices in Highland. |
| 22:18.03 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:18.07 | youtah | *shudders* |
| 22:18.10 | youtah | Hey |
| 22:18.16 | RyanE | but at least it's Highland, which is nice. |
| 22:18.18 | youtah | you know Colby from Control 4? |
| 22:18.23 | RyanE | Yeah |
| 22:18.34 | youtah | I ever tell you I work with him? |
| 22:18.41 | RyanE | I think you mention this to me every time we talk... :) |
| 22:18.48 | RyanE | He was at CEDIA, too, wasn't he? |
| 22:18.53 | RyanE | I think I talked with him there. |
| 22:18.54 | youtah | I have no idea |
| 22:19.00 | youtah | Just want to make sure you don't forget |
| 22:19.04 | youtah | lol |
| 22:19.09 | programmerq | I seem to remember something about a mesh node on lake mountain. I bet I could hit it from here. |
| 22:19.10 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:19.22 | RyanE | tell him I say hi. |
| 22:19.26 | frostyfrog | youtah: You were getting a connection worse than mine to lake mountain when I was testing my node xD |
| 22:19.37 | youtah | yes, programmerq we have two 2.4ghz nodes on lake mountain, 1 5ghz dish linking to Nelson Peak and a 3ghz dish |
| 22:19.50 | programmerq | youtah⸠broadband-hamnet nodes, right? |
| 22:19.54 | youtah | no |
| 22:19.56 | frostyfrog | AREDN |
| 22:19.58 | youtah | AREDN |
| 22:20.08 | youtah | hamnet has fizzled out |
| 22:20.18 | frostyfrog | There is a broadband hamnet between me and the mountain, however >_> |
| 22:20.21 | youtah | there hasn't been active development on hamnet in like 3 years. |
| 22:20.26 | frostyfrog | I still saw an SSID |
| 22:20.29 | youtah | doesn't matter really |
| 22:20.36 | frostyfrog | nods |
| 22:20.41 | youtah | just match the SSID, Freq "channel" and width. |
| 22:21.11 | frostyfrog | I thought that it was odd that we were using a smaller width, but I'm not questioning it ATM |
| 22:21.34 | youtah | where we are running on channel -2 on 2.4Ghz, we had to drop our bandwidth from 20 to 10mhz, so we don't go out of band. |
| 22:21.48 | programmerq | so can I access it with a regular wifi adapter? |
| 22:22.00 | programmerq | pokes around aredn docs |
| 22:22.11 | youtah | Depends if it can go to channel -2 |
| 22:22.15 | youtah | most will only go to 1 |
| 22:22.34 | frostyfrog | Ah, out of band, figured. |
| 22:23.01 | youtah | http://bloodhound.aredn.org/products/AREDN/browser |
| 22:23.02 | frostyfrog | -1 would've done the same apparently. AREDN said that 0 was unusable on their homepage |
| 22:23.21 | youtah | git clone git://git.aredn.org/<repo_name> |
| 22:23.32 | youtah | you get overlap on -1 |
| 22:23.57 | youtah | 5ghz we have a crap ton of room to play with |
| 22:24.02 | youtah | and 3ghz is like... all ours |
| 22:24.08 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 22:24.30 | youtah | 24 channels are ham freq only on 3Ghz |
| 22:24.44 | frostyfrog | I would've gone with something else, maybe. But I heard that 5 GHz was the backbone, and it looks like 3 is up north only. |
| 22:24.48 | youtah | and 52 channels on 5Ghz (7 non-shared) |
| 22:25.41 | youtah | but also, with directional dishes and altitude, even the ISM frequencies "channels" are pretty clean |
| 22:26.02 | youtah | we've been going 34 mile links above the valley on channel 1 at 200mw |
| 22:26.14 | youtah | with about 20% packet loss |
| 22:27.46 | programmerq | I have one of these: http://www.simplewifi.com/wifi-usb-card-750mw-ralink-rt-3070l-simplewifi-brand.html |
| 22:27.53 | programmerq | and a variety of external antennas |
| 22:28.11 | programmerq | a couple chinese yagi wifi antennas, some rootennas, and other misc antennas |
| 22:28.25 | youtah | is it atheros or broadcom? |
| 22:28.50 | programmerq | realtek? rt3070 |
| 22:29.12 | youtah | Oh, just found that |
| 22:29.13 | youtah | huh |
| 22:29.15 | youtah | interesting |
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| 22:29.44 | programmerq | and some old wrt-54 routers from when I had broadband-hamnet in mind. |
| 22:29.50 | youtah | the AREDN stuff is based off Atheros (Ubiquity) so any "non-supported" radio running atheros is "easy" to get working |
| 22:29.51 | programmerq | but I'm pretty sure those don't do -2 channel |
| 22:30.11 | youtah | good news, it does 64 WEP |
| 22:30.16 | youtah | lol |
| 22:30.47 | frostyfrog | WEP? |
| 22:31.09 | frostyfrog | I couldn't find anything related to passwords and such for AREDN xP |
| 22:31.19 | frostyfrog | But meh |
| 22:31.27 | youtah | oh, yeah... I am just talking about programmerq's little device he has |
| 22:31.38 | frostyfrog | figured. |
| 22:32.27 | frostyfrog | However, even if AREDN is configured in a normal access point mode, there's no passwords whatsoever (besides the admin password) :/ |
| 22:32.47 | frostyfrog | as far as I could tell at least. |
| 22:33.01 | youtah | correct |
| 22:33.16 | youtah | keep in mine you're not supposed to have any "encrypted" traffic |
| 22:33.19 | youtah | over the air |
| 22:33.31 | youtah | locally on your network, is okay, just not "over the air" |
| 22:33.38 | youtah | there are a lot of fuzzy lines |
| 22:33.42 | programmerq | you're not supposed to have any transmission that has been obscured for the purpose of hiding its meaning. |
| 22:33.44 | youtah | for example, you can ssh into the node |
| 22:33.57 | aeryndunham | I hate when job applications say you "must" experince with whatver software, like.... chances are if you give me an afternoon with it, I'll be good. Even if I've never seen it before. |
| 22:34.42 | frostyfrog | throws a Cisco router and managed switch aeryndunham's way. |
| 22:34.48 | frostyfrog | hides. |
| 22:35.10 | aeryndunham | This is an online social media management tool. It could not POSSIBLY be complicated. |
| 22:35.12 | frostyfrog | youtah: I was assuming that I'd have to telnet into it :p |
| 22:36.01 | youtah | tftp as well |
| 22:36.03 | frostyfrog | youtah: All the no password thing means anyways is that I need to create my own bridge into the network or attatch it directly to my network and have vlans setup. |
| 22:36.17 | frostyfrog | tftp isn't encrypted though :/ |
| 22:36.29 | frostyfrog | AFAIK |
| 22:36.40 | youtah | if you're connection directly to the network, and you're connected via wire... ssh and encrypt all you want |
| 22:36.43 | youtah | just dont transmit it |
| 22:37.05 | TodPunk | RyanE: there are some homes for sale in my neighborhood which isn't TM, and we get gigabit fiber from CenturyLink and not "Veracity" or whatever brand they are this year. |
| 22:37.25 | frostyfrog | nods to no transmitty. |
| 22:37.29 | RyanE | yea, but aren't you in Lehi? |
| 22:37.32 | RyanE | :) |
| 22:37.36 | youtah | been "Veracity" every year I've had them |
| 22:37.46 | TodPunk | Across the way from you, yeah. Just west of IM Flash |
| 22:38.20 | TodPunk | youtah: I think that's what they eventually settled into, but they had something like 4 names back when they failed to do iProvo |
| 22:38.25 | RyanE | I like my house too much. Besides, I like bitching about slow Internet. It's a hobby. |
| 22:38.38 | youtah | it has always been veracity. It was just an issue only in provo |
| 22:39.02 | youtah | go figure |
| 22:39.04 | TodPunk | not so, when I worked for DirectPointe I got to interact with all their brands, especially on the Utopia network |
| 22:39.18 | TodPunk | they had rollouts all over |
| 22:39.23 | TodPunk | and they were bad at every one of them |
| 22:39.26 | TodPunk | god I hate that company |
| 22:39.35 | youtah | DirectPointe? |
| 22:39.47 | TodPunk | It's like, the mirror universe of XMission, really. That's what Veracity is. |
| 22:40.14 | TodPunk | DirectPointe was a company that did outsourced IT. They were in the Canopy campus. |
| 22:40.24 | aeryndunham | I wouldn't be in this ship-related mess if I could find another job :( |
| 22:40.50 | TodPunk | and yes, youtah, my neighbor is a chemist at IM Flash, so it's been a discussion point =cP |
| 22:41.22 | RyanE | I thought of applying to one of their automation engineer jobs, but then my boss got let go, so I'm staying put. |
| 22:41.35 | TodPunk | RyanE: who? |
| 22:41.46 | RyanE | Someone you wouldn't know. |
| 22:41.49 | TodPunk | IM Flash? |
| 22:41.49 | RyanE | She's in the UK |
| 22:41.55 | RyanE | no, Control4 |
| 22:41.56 | TodPunk | no, I mean what company |
| 22:41.57 | TodPunk | ah |
| 22:42.20 | youtah | My neighbor used to be a chemist at IM flash too! |
| 22:42.35 | RyanE | My Newphew works there |
| 22:42.39 | RyanE | Nephew |
| 22:42.49 | youtah | he does big data now |
| 22:43.01 | TodPunk | Like 10 people in our neighborhood work for IM |
| 22:43.02 | youtah | data scientist is what they call him these days |
| 22:43.07 | TodPunk | I have no idea how IM pays their people so well |
| 22:43.10 | RyanE | He used to live west of IM as well |
| 22:43.28 | youtah | RyanE, there's dozens of us, DOZENS! |
| 22:43.34 | youtah | actually, I dont work there |
| 22:43.37 | TodPunk | We also have a lot of Vivint guys and had a lot of Domo guys before they left Domo. |
| 22:44.10 | youtah | yeah, a couple of Domo guys in my neighborhood quit to go up to Plural Site |
| 22:46.54 | TodPunk | Ours have gone to Workfront and Mixpanel |
| 22:47.02 | TodPunk | Mixpanel is an odd company |
| 22:47.28 | SunSparc | #utah is odd company |
| 22:47.31 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:47.41 | youtah | I know a lot of ppl who left for Pluralsite that are |
| 22:47.43 | youtah | um.... |
| 22:48.06 | youtah | less happy than before? |
| 22:49.59 | straya | TodPunk: because imflash is surprisingly good at what they do so they have a solid revenue stream? |
| 22:50.28 | TodPunk | probably |
| 22:50.47 | TodPunk | youtah: were they sales people? |
| 22:51.09 | youtah | sales, support and marketing |
| 22:51.27 | youtah | dont know any devs there |
| 22:51.37 | TodPunk | because Domo's sales/"account executives" or whatever were basically getting a gravy train and then Domo overcorrected so about 40-60% of their pay went bye-bye in a week |
| 22:51.48 | TodPunk | Thus the mass exodus |
| 22:51.55 | youtah | Oh no.... |
| 22:52.03 | youtah | I am saying |
| 22:52.07 | youtah | the left for Pluralsite |
| 22:52.10 | youtah | were happy |
| 22:52.12 | youtah | time has passed |
| 22:52.17 | youtah | they are now super less happy |
| 22:54.02 | SunSparc | infobot: wb |
| 22:54.02 | infobot | thx |
| 22:54.10 | SunSparc | laters |
| 22:57.53 | aeryndunham | dang something is very wrong with my apache config |
| 23:00.42 | straya | How so? |
| 23:01.29 | aeryndunham | I'm havint trouble setting up an ssl cert and it's just a rabbit hole of apache error messages |
| 23:01.49 | aeryndunham | But I'm confused because the site was working fine, with the security certificate, a few days ago... it just wouldn't let me renew it |
| 23:05.01 | aeryndunham | lol I thought I had fixed it, the ssl cert says it worked, but now the whole site is down lol |
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