| 00:00.27 | aeryndunham | I'm bored out of my mind so that's tempting but Utah is a bit far |
| 00:03.12 | aeryndunham | And I know if I foster another dog it'll be the same; too much of a hassle and not enough space to play up here, but that' |
| 00:03.26 | aeryndunham | is not stopping me from being really lonely and wanting a fuzzy little friend |
| 00:04.45 | frostyfrog | wiggles. |
| 00:11.50 | aeryndunham | So now I'm debating the hamster/gerbil/guinea pig thoughts again |
| 00:13.15 | aeryndunham | or a chinchilla, but those are really hard to find |
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| 00:41.09 | straya | Just get a horse |
| 00:41.13 | straya | Large fuzzy friend! |
| 00:43.36 | frostyfrog | guinea pig |
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| 17:15.18 | aeryndunham | My website's security certificate expired and something has gone very wrong in trying to renew, ugh |
| 17:24.12 | beelzebob | aeryndunham: why not letsencrypt? |
| 17:24.20 | unum | what service are you using for your centificate? |
| 17:24.39 | aeryndunham | It is letsencrypt! But I got a weird error message trying to renew |
| 17:24.54 | aeryndunham | I'm not at that computer right now so I cannot replicate at this exact moment... I'll fight with it later |
| 17:24.55 | unum | are you using certbot? |
| 17:25.00 | unum | or letsencrypt-auto |
| 17:25.17 | aeryndunham | I was not using certbot, but I tried uninstalling everything and restarting with certbot, and that gave me the same error |
| 17:25.30 | unum | huh |
| 17:25.42 | unum | I had some issues with an old client |
| 17:25.47 | unum | but certbot seems to be working for me |
| 17:25.58 | unum | I was out of town and the company website was down for three days.... |
| 17:28.01 | aeryndunham | It's not crucial, it's just a personal website, but I'm still annoyed. I'm doing some cleaning right now and then will work on fixing it in a bit. |
| 17:47.55 | romanovic | I was _this close_ to having fewer cats in the house. Apparently my 3 yr old just opened a window and was trying to shove a cat through (she previously punched a hole through the screen). "Kitty wants to go outside" |
| 17:48.12 | romanovic | 's cats have always been indoor cats, but he would love to make them outdoor cats |
| 17:48.39 | programmerq | we made one of our cats be indoor/outdoor |
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| 17:54.52 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 17:54.53 | infobot | schweet. |
| 17:54.58 | youtah | ~whale goozbach |
| 17:55.48 | RyanE | I'm allergic, so both of our 'adopted' cats are outdoor cats. |
| 17:55.53 | RyanE | Fortunately, they don't bother the chickens. |
| 17:56.07 | youtah | did I break infobot? |
| 17:56.11 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 17:56.11 | infobot | schweet. |
| 17:56.18 | youtah | ~whale goozbach |
| 17:56.24 | youtah | ~slap goozbach |
| 17:56.25 | infobot | ACTION slaps goozbach, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:56.28 | youtah | lol |
| 17:56.36 | youtah | I thought ~whale was a command |
| 17:56.41 | youtah | this makes me sad |
| 17:56.45 | youtah | ~lart goozbach |
| 17:56.45 | infobot | drops a baby grand on goozbach |
| 17:56.58 | youtah | Ouch, that's a lot of money to waste on goozbach |
| 17:57.37 | jlp_znc | ~whaleslap youtah |
| 17:57.37 | infobot | ACTION beats youtah upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 17:57.41 | youtah | AHHHH |
| 17:57.43 | youtah | lol |
| 17:57.46 | youtah | dangit |
| 17:57.52 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 17:58.05 | jlp_znc | ~trump youtah |
| 17:58.05 | infobot | ACTION makes youtah great again |
| 17:58.15 | jlp_znc | ~hillary youtah |
| 17:58.16 | infobot | ACTION sets up a private email server for youtah |
| 17:58.17 | youtah | ~literal trump |
| 17:58.17 | infobot | "trump" is "NULL" |
| 17:58.22 | youtah | lol |
| 17:58.24 | youtah | yes, yes he is |
| 17:58.31 | spangborn | ~literal youtah |
| 17:58.31 | infobot | "youtah" is "<reply>(Did someone say Nachos?|Mmmm Bacon)" |
| 17:58.41 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 17:58.42 | infobot | Mmmm Bacon |
| 17:58.43 | spangborn | I approve of both of those |
| 17:58.47 | youtah | DUDE |
| 17:58.55 | youtah | I ate TWO large plates of nachos on Wednesday |
| 17:59.02 | spangborn | Are you 10lbs heavier now? |
| 17:59.02 | youtah | with these whole gain tortillas |
| 17:59.06 | jlp_znc | ~systemd youtah |
| 17:59.07 | infobot | ACTION encrypts youtah's logs |
| 17:59.14 | youtah | I about died |
| 17:59.23 | jlp_znc | I miss Lenito's |
| 17:59.44 | jlp_znc | best nachos I've ever had... the Mailman at Lenito's in Provo |
| 17:59.50 | youtah | jlp_znc, what was that Thai place we all used to go? |
| 17:59.54 | youtah | at mouth of BCC? |
| 18:00.20 | youtah | Next to Zupas |
| 18:00.29 | youtah | I miss eating at that place. I thought it was really freaking good |
| 18:00.39 | youtah | Change of topic |
| 18:00.40 | jlp_znc | Next to Zupas? Thai Basil |
| 18:00.44 | youtah | Ah yes |
| 18:00.45 | youtah | that was it |
| 18:00.59 | youtah | Sad News, our pet guinea pig died last night |
| 18:01.07 | youtah | kids are really upset |
| 18:01.08 | youtah | uhg |
| 18:01.12 | jlp_znc | funeral time |
| 18:01.26 | youtah | Yup |
| 18:01.30 | youtah | we did that this morning |
| 18:01.31 | aeryndunham | aww :( |
| 18:01.33 | spangborn | Viking funeral? |
| 18:01.34 | jlp_znc | has lost count of the number of goldfish burried in the garden. |
| 18:02.01 | jlp_znc | plus four dogs and a cat. |
| 18:02.14 | youtah | I wanted to bury her before maggots or anything started forming. So we held the funeral this morning at 6am before school, 29F with a steady wind. |
| 18:02.17 | jlp_znc | (don't tell the government) |
| 18:02.20 | youtah | Lets just say it was cold |
| 18:03.02 | spangborn | How many spies are buried there, jlp_znc? |
| 18:03.17 | jlp_znc | spangborn: do you really want to know? |
| 18:03.20 | jlp_znc | +1 |
| 18:03.21 | spangborn | Probably not |
| 18:03.22 | spangborn | LOL |
| 18:03.29 | jlp_znc | :-) |
| 18:03.53 | jlp_znc | it was 29 at your house this morning youtah? it's supposed to be spring! |
| 18:06.05 | youtah | yeah |
| 18:08.58 | manithree | was in Wanship Sunday, and it did NOT look like spring. |
| 18:18.45 | Migs | http://i.imgur.com/czAUS2g.gifv |
| 18:19.44 | straya | stupid snow |
| 18:21.04 | shalkie | Hi Migs! |
| 18:21.08 | shalkie | waves at Migs |
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| 18:32.52 | youtah | I'd tell ya'll to remind me to never fly United |
| 18:33.04 | youtah | but I don't think that I'll need a reminder for this one |
| 18:33.33 | programmerq | I think I'm flying united on an upcoming trip |
| 18:33.50 | youtah | btw, this guy is nearing the 2.5 Million marker for retweets. ~3M is the record |
| 18:33.51 | youtah | https://twitter.com/carterjwm/status/849813577770778624 |
| 18:34.38 | youtah | programmerq, yeah... I heard that after the doctor was dragged off the plane, that he immediately changed his clothing |
| 18:34.42 | youtah | into his law suit. |
| 18:36.53 | youtah | https://twitter.com/kaylyn_davis/status/851471574385307648 |
| 18:54.03 | frostyfrog | wiggles into the channel |
| 18:54.05 | frostyfrog | Hai! |
| 18:59.00 | frostyfrog | thanks for the wakup call yesterday, youtah :p I was all: "Snow, huh? They must be in the mountains." Nick: *something something, N1SC, something something* "Wait, youtah?", *heard voice again and is surprised that there is snow* |
| 18:59.22 | frostyfrog | xP |
| 19:03.17 | youtah | lol frostyfrog |
| 19:18.45 | shalkie | Ouch. I mean it was the cops that did it, but still. Ouch. My experience flying was that if it was overbooked and you got on the plane you got the seat or they could try to sweet talk you out of it, but you got to make the call. |
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| 19:38.51 | Migs | it's worth playing for sure |
| 19:39.06 | Migs | The title is The Stanley Parable btw, just to be nit-picky |
| 19:39.13 | frostyfrog | has it. |
| 19:39.19 | frostyfrog | nods. |
| 19:39.37 | frostyfrog | It's a crappy game, TBH. |
| 19:39.46 | frostyfrog | A lot better on replays, though. |
| 19:39.53 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 19:40.24 | bryceml | I'll probably get it as soon as finals are over. |
| 19:41.22 | Migs | I've been playing This War of Mine lately |
| 19:41.39 | Migs | really like that game, though I don't think I could replay it more than a few times |
| 19:42.02 | Migs | it's pretty depressing |
| 19:42.34 | Migs | https://twitter.com/ultimatewigger/status/851494869705121794 |
| 19:43.05 | Migs | also started playing Castlevania: Lord of Shadows on the PC. I haven't played any new Castlevania games since Symphony of the Night |
| 19:43.21 | Migs | stupidly fun stuff |
| 19:44.32 | frostyfrog | https://twitter.com/frostyfrog2/status/851170440756080640 >_> |
| 19:44.48 | bryceml | This War of Mine looks good. The story seems a little bit like half life 2. |
| 19:47.56 | Migs | never played Half Life 2, but This War of Mine is quite unique |
| 19:48.13 | Migs | there really isn't a set story...it's basically just you controlling a group of people trying to survive |
| 19:49.04 | Migs | they take up shelter in an abandoned house, and you have to scavenge for parts, build stuff like a heater to stay warm, a bed to sleep in, fix up an oven to cook your food...then at night you go out to different places around the house and scavenge for more stuff, or trade with other survivors...and hopefully meet friendly instead of hostile people |
| 19:49.57 | Migs | if you can get organized enough, you can actually do stuff like plant a garden, brew alcohol, make cigarettes... |
| 19:50.32 | bryceml | Is it multiplayer or single player? |
| 19:50.35 | Migs | single player |
| 19:51.11 | bryceml | That sounds like it would make a pretty cool multiplayer game. |
| 19:51.30 | frostyfrog | Nah, it'd suck. |
| 19:51.36 | frostyfrog | I mean, think about it. |
| 19:51.37 | Migs | there's other games that do it better already, probably |
| 19:51.38 | Migs | http://store.steampowered.com/app/282070/ |
| 19:51.48 | aeryndunham | it's a cool game, I played through it a while back |
| 19:51.58 | Migs | 7 Days to Die for instance |
| 19:52.00 | frostyfrog | Do you really think that you could get random people on the internet to collaborate? :p |
| 19:52.35 | Migs | This War of Mine is more about conveying the emotional impact of the story you develop |
| 19:52.59 | frostyfrog | "Johnny, nooooooo!" |
| 19:53.11 | frostyfrog | "He was my greatest friend *sniff*" |
| 19:53.12 | frostyfrog | ? |
| 19:53.13 | Migs | there's basically three aspects of each character: depression, hunger, and tiredness...you have to keep those all up |
| 19:53.29 | Migs | frostyfrog: Yeah, if one of your characters dies, everyone gets depressed |
| 19:53.50 | Migs | or if your character has a kindness trait, moreso than others, they feel crappy if they rob innocent people |
| 19:53.59 | Migs | but sometimes it's either do that or your people start starving |
| 19:54.34 | Migs | so sometimes you have to send the callous asshole character out to scavenge if you know you're going to be robbing people |
| 19:55.03 | Migs | but he may not be able to carry as much as the friendly big guy |
| 19:55.15 | frostyfrog | Ouch :( |
| 19:55.33 | Migs | it also sucks when you get a bunch of characters who are smokers, because then they all go through withdrawals all the time |
| 19:55.38 | frostyfrog | Sounds fun to watch, but not to play. |
| 19:55.42 | Migs | that just makes them depressed, too |
| 19:56.12 | Migs | yeah, like I said, it's not one I'd want to replay a bunch |
| 19:57.21 | Migs | it really sucks if you get robbed before you can properly secure your place, too...because then word gets out that you're easy to rob, so you can never get enough resouces to board up all the holes in the walls, reinforce the door, build weapons, etc. |
| 19:57.58 | Migs | then you're so busy just trying to replace all the food that gets stolen that you don't have time for anything else...it's challenging for sure, at any rate |
| 19:58.37 | frostyfrog | If you do replay it, mind recording it? |
| 19:59.56 | Migs | just watch some YouTube videos on it...kind of shows you how it's played |
| 20:00.23 | frostyfrog | Will have to do |
| 20:00.25 | Migs | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbt8OhZPjJw |
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| 20:39.14 | youtah | What are the biggest and best software / dev related conferences? |
| 20:39.35 | youtah | PyCon is coming up in May |
| 20:40.04 | youtah | The Embedded Linux conference is already over |
| 20:40.10 | youtah | OpenWest is coming up (local) |
| 20:55.48 | unum | there's like three javascript conferences each year |
| 20:55.56 | unum | openwest is my favorite by far |
| 20:56.02 | unum | saintcon is awesome as well |
| 20:56.18 | unum | I think skiphp was skipped again this year |
| 20:57.38 | jlp_znc | from my dad: "When I married Mrs. Right, I had no idea her first name was Always." |
| 20:58.24 | unum | looks like saintcon and zendcon might overlap :( |
| 20:59.02 | youtah | If you were given the money to travel, lodge and attend *any* conference, which would it be? |
| 21:05.00 | unum | defcon? |
| 21:05.06 | unum | blackhat |
| 21:05.09 | unum | which one's the good one? |
| 21:05.21 | unum | I'm trying to go to zendcon this year |
| 21:10.09 | shalkie | youtah: Are you going to be coming to OpenWest this year/ |
| 21:10.20 | shalkie | s/\//?/ |
| 21:12.48 | shalkie | For anyone interested we are taking Volunteers. :) |
| 21:13.28 | shalkie | Also voting on presentations has begun. |
| 21:15.49 | jlp_znc | another school shooting: https://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/325453006-2-adults-dead-2-kids-shot-at-Calif-school/?NewsletterID=324783044&utm_source=iContact&utm_medium=email&utm_content=TopNewsMainTitle&utm_campaign=P1Member&cub_id=usr_K5SyjcBp9D9YxB8c |
| 21:17.09 | jlp_znc | appears to have been a murder suicide... teacher and assailant are dead, two students (at a K-6 school) injured. |
| 21:42.23 | frostyfrog | :( |
| 21:42.37 | frostyfrog | I'm interested in going to OpenWest >_> |
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| 21:50.46 | shalkie | frostyfrog: Come! Enjoy the fellowship! Where a #utah badge. Pride or Shame, it is your choice! |
| 21:50.48 | shalkie | :) |
| 21:51.13 | frostyfrog | A #utah badge? Those exist now? xD |
| 21:51.57 | frostyfrog | In all honesty, I'm waiting for the date to show up and the sign up form to go live. Not in that particular order. |
| 21:52.08 | unum | I keep forgetting to finish voting |
| 21:52.09 | frostyfrog | Oh, and less JS/UI talks :p |
| 21:52.21 | frostyfrog | hasn't voted :/ |
| 21:52.53 | unum | only 2 perl talks |
| 21:53.01 | unum | that's going to be a lean track this year... |
| 21:53.09 | unum | I wonder if one of them is mine.... |
| 21:55.45 | unum | at this point I think I'm more interested in the how to hire good testers presentations than the how to do testing presentations |
| 21:56.36 | frostyfrog | Need a talk on "Why you should test software instead of develop software" |
| 21:56.46 | frostyfrog | I don't think that'd fly though :/ |
| 21:57.18 | keldwud | oh it's already open west time isn't it |
| 21:57.31 | frostyfrog | ish |
| 21:57.36 | frostyfrog | not sure |
| 21:57.49 | keldwud | july 12th looks like |
| 21:57.58 | keldwud | or are you guys talking about a different conference? |
| 21:59.17 | frostyfrog | we were talking about openwest |
| 22:00.39 | frostyfrog | Oh hey, there's a vote button! |
| 22:03.11 | keldwud | vote.openwest.org |
| 22:03.12 | keldwud | this one? |
| 22:03.38 | frostyfrog | yup |
| 22:03.48 | frostyfrog | hasn't voted yet, voting now |
| 22:04.04 | keldwud | me too |
| 22:05.30 | frostyfrog | shalkie: I'd be maybe interested in volunteering, but I'm also worried about not seeing good presentations :p |
| 22:06.29 | keldwud | so was there no salt conference this year? |
| 22:06.39 | keldwud | or am I just jumping the gun too soon? |
| 22:06.40 | shalkie | Oh well we can work with you on scheduling. :) |
| 22:07.15 | keldwud | I mean, it's April already. It's like all of the conferences start in spring and then slowly migrate to summer over the years |
| 22:07.43 | shalkie | It seems SaltCon 2017 has already happened. :( http://saltcon.com/ |
| 22:07.53 | shalkie | But your probably thinking of something different. |
| 22:08.00 | shalkie | s/your/you're/ |
| 22:08.10 | frostyfrog | Hmmm... can't find a ham study course :p |
| 22:08.11 | frostyfrog | :o |
| 22:08.18 | frostyfrog | infobot: You're back! |
| 22:08.18 | infobot | No frostyfrog, I'm not really here |
| 22:08.26 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 22:08.42 | keldwud | I'm referring to salt conf, not salt con |
| 22:08.49 | keldwud | http://saltconf.com/ |
| 22:08.56 | aeryndunham | Last load of laundry is in the dryer and I'm FINALLY done cleaning |
| 22:09.07 | keldwud | aeryndunham: hooray. |
| 22:09.20 | programmerq | done cleaning, lol. I don't think I've been "done cleaning" since we moved in. |
| 22:09.51 | programmerq | maybe my standards are too high. |
| 22:09.52 | aeryndunham | Well. There is always more I could do, yes. |
| 22:09.56 | frostyfrog | Congratz, aeryndunham :D |
| 22:09.58 | TodPunk | unum: testing is hard to be good at and enjoy at the same time |
| 22:10.02 | aeryndunham | But I think I've done more than enough today. |
| 22:10.25 | TodPunk | you essentially have to be a developer that wants to not develop, but to make sure other people's nonsense development doesn't break everything |
| 22:11.24 | keldwud | TodPunk: hmm, that actually sounds somewhat attractive to me |
| 22:11.48 | keldwud | like 'why are you not sanitizing your input!?' |
| 22:12.11 | youtah | https://www.facebook.com/stholland15898/videos/1388341364527802/ |
| 22:12.15 | shalkie | frostyfrog: I have a ham study course... You graduate when the last of the ham is eaten. :0 |
| 22:12.26 | shalkie | s/:0/:)/ |
| 22:12.34 | youtah | Make sure you at least get to 40 seconds into that video |
| 22:12.40 | TodPunk | but knowing deeper things like how memory stacks up and how the security problems arise based on the manipulation of the runtime/api's use of the inputs and stuff, that's well beyond most testers that aren't full on devs |
| 22:13.40 | youtah | https://media.giphy.com/media/xUA7bj8UXAYlHBraes/giphy.gif |
| 22:13.52 | keldwud | ahh, you mean those low level architecture classes they make us take for our compSci degrees? |
| 22:14.25 | keldwud | and the compiler classes, I know at least one compiler class is also required |
| 22:14.46 | keldwud | the united airlines jokes are off the hook today |
| 22:15.56 | keldwud | omg this one looks super sexy: "Learning Digital Logic Through Designs In Logisim" |
| 22:16.04 | keldwud | and I don't mean that sarcastically |
| 22:17.03 | keldwud | the description is even sexier |
| 22:17.27 | TodPunk | What monitoring software does everyone use? I have been a xymon/hobbitmon man myself, as I don't like Nagios, but it doesn't support ipv6 and that's going to be a bit more important in the near future. |
| 22:19.06 | keldwud | appdynamics, icinga and control-m |
| 22:19.06 | shalkie | Nagios. But have you considered Zabbix? |
| 22:19.59 | keldwud | control-m isn't necessarily monitoring software per se, it just happens to have alerting and monitoring baked in as part of workload management (i.e. batch jobs and cron jobs, etc) |
| 22:23.09 | TodPunk | I have not considered anything. I was looking at NetXMS, but just their wikipedia page |
| 22:27.08 | keldwud | for a paid / licensed solution, app dynamics actually served me pretty well. it's not my cup of tea, but I was able to monitor all sorts of things including transactions and stuff like that and it provided great historical analysis |
| 22:27.45 | TodPunk | I'm certainly not paying for something this prolifically free |
| 22:27.53 | TodPunk | might as well pay for a web browser |
| 22:28.09 | keldwud | yeah, I didn't pay for it. it was already paid for when I arrived so I figured I might as well make the best use of it :) |
| 22:38.06 | unum | is so happpy to no longer be a landlord |
| 22:39.51 | keldwud | reducing one's number of responsibilities in this world is a worthy cause |
| 22:40.06 | keldwud | I can only imagine being a landlord contains *many* responsibilities |
| 22:40.53 | unum | there are a lot vim presentations |
| 22:41.04 | unum | hmmm I think I'm hoping to do by regex |
| 22:41.12 | unum | I thinkI'd be ok with just that and nothing else |
| 22:41.26 | unum | of course I'l already doing the rest one next week |
| 22:41.30 | unum | so that wouldn't be so bad either |
| 22:44.03 | jlp_znc | youtah: "you must log in to see the video." no, no I must not. |
| 22:45.10 | keldwud | heh. "Trackballs: Old School or Top Dog?" |
| 22:47.18 | keldwud | I'm really excited to see all these potential talks about Logic and Logic gates. Who is behind these? They span several different categories. It feels as if a user group or individual is pushing them (which I support and embrace) |
| 23:01.12 | keldwud | hey TodPunk, just found a talk that could help you with your question about monitoring tools |
| 23:01.40 | keldwud | "100% Observability: In this session Iâll break down the expansive monitoring landscape into 5 categories and provide a framework to help you ensure full coverage. Iâll also touch on why these categories are important to your business and share the top criteria to consider when evaluating your options." |
| 23:03.01 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: it's a funeral, a white dove is released on cue during the eulogy from the priest, and it summarily flies out of the cemetary, over the highway and is taken away by a semi |
| 23:26.42 | TodPunk | keldwud: I voted a 2 on that talk because its descriptions makes little sense to me. |
| 23:26.51 | TodPunk | buzzword soup is bad? |
| 23:26.55 | TodPunk | *shrugs* |
