IRC log for #utah on 20170405

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05:33.03jlp_znchttp://www.weregeek.com/2010/10/11/
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13:30.51jlp_znchttps://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1981336-well-technically-the-instructions-were-followed  <- users and printers.  sigh.
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15:01.33frostyfrogMorning :)
15:33.28strayaGood morning
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16:12.36youtahMornnnnnnnnnnnnun
16:13.46strayagood morning youtah
16:14.51youtahhey jsmith
16:14.59youtahyou going to OpenWest?
16:15.26youtahherlo and utahcon both have my thinking about submitting an entry to OpenWest
16:15.27SunSparc~morning
16:15.27infobotGood morning!
16:15.33youtahmorning SunSparc
16:15.53SunSparc:)
16:16.08youtahI have thought about proposing something about an intro into using HF propagation with forward error corrected digital modes for long distance weak signal communication, but I figure it would get shot down quickly.
16:16.41SunSparcSounds interesting to me. :D
16:16.52strayaits a great topic!
16:17.26youtahThe hard part is that I feel like unless you have a ham radio license, people probably wouldn't show up
16:17.27strayawhat do you define as long distance, weak signal?
16:18.10youtah5 watts using a wire from home depot, about 15 feet off the ground, allowing me to talk -26db below the noise floor with a German science station in Antarctica
16:19.06youtahI talk with Japan & Australia ***all the time***
16:19.18youtahin fact, I avoid their country, because it's too easy
16:21.05SunSparcyoutah: It could be a great intro to HAM for geeks. You could even pitch Ham Study and let geeks know how easy getting into Ham is these days.
16:21.44strayayoutah: very nice, probably want to start with something easier for those less technically inclined there though
16:22.46strayaits pretty darn good to be able to talk that far under the noise floor
16:23.13strayaI'm probably getting close to that with some of my contraptions
16:24.50SunSparcgoogles "noise floor"
16:25.04TodPunkyoutah: you know the CFP closed Sunday, right?
16:25.35spangbornTodPunk: you shouldn't have told him
16:25.47SunSparcHe probably knows a guy that could still get him in. ;)
16:25.48TodPunkdoh
16:25.53TodPunkprobably
16:26.05spangbornNow you'll have to listen to ham radio rambling
16:26.20TodPunkthis is why I don't hang out with him
16:26.30TodPunk(I kid, I kid)
16:26.33spangborn;p
16:26.36strayathere is nothing wrong with rambling about radio
16:26.40SunSparc:)
16:26.55spangbornstraya: and now you've just pigeonholed yourself ;p
16:27.14straya:P
16:31.33jlp_zncwelcome to the team, straya
16:31.38frostyfrogMorning :)
16:31.54jlp_zncor the coop?
16:31.55youtahyeah TodPunk .... but I know people ;)
16:33.00youtahbeen rocking out to a 90's playlist
16:33.12frostyfrogPssst... youtah. I've been on the .76 repeater 5 times total now :3 Because you weren't in here, I've considered calling out to you, but could never work up the courage. :p
16:33.14youtahHaven't heard some of these in literally +15 years
16:33.26youtahlol frostyfrog
16:33.27youtahdo it
16:33.33youtahI was listening ALL night last night
16:33.51frostyfrog10PM?
16:33.52youtahCheck into the 76ers net tonight as a Guest
16:33.59youtahoh yeah, typically until 1am
16:34.03frostyfrogOh, I totally will.
16:34.04frostyfrogxD
16:34.16youtah146.760Mhz tonight at 7pm.
16:34.28youtahit's located on top of Lake Mountain
16:34.31frostyfrogOnly frequency my radio is tuned to ATM.
16:34.35youtahah cool
16:34.45youtahthe other one I am on frequently is 176.620Mhz
16:34.56youtahthat is the Farnsworth Peak repeater also owned by UARC
16:35.18youtahthat is linked with a 70cm link to the Scotts Hill repeater. Also, 146.620
16:35.26youtahboth have no tones
16:35.29frostyfrogemails this info to self to keep notes.
16:35.32youtahand uses magic
16:35.47frostyfrogshould probably remove the 100Hz tone for .76
16:35.50youtahin fact, that was the repeater I made my very first contact with on, with jlp_znc
16:36.11youtahfrostyfrog, you make a first contact yet?
16:36.21frostyfrogYep, with KN0JI
16:36.28youtahAwesome
16:36.42youtahtell him he needs to make sure to get you your first contact award
16:36.47youtah(free through ARRL)
16:36.58frostyfrogsecond one (besides a quick radio check) was with um....
16:37.19frostyfrogK7KGK yesterday morning
16:37.35frostyfrog(at least, I'm pretty sure it was him)
16:37.35SunSparc~wtg
16:37.35infobotDude!  Way to go!
16:37.37youtahAh yes
16:37.47youtahYeah, great guy. Always on in the morning
16:37.54youtahhe wasn't on the radio for a while due to health issues
16:38.01youtahhe's more or less bounced back
16:38.09frostyfrogCool :)
16:38.13youtahStarted the 76ers ~4? years ago
16:38.26frostyfrogHe did?
16:38.35frostyfrog:o
16:38.38youtahyeah, turned it over to Carl WE7OMG for several reasons
16:38.44youtah(medical being a major one)
16:38.49frostyfrogAwesome! x3
16:38.51strayaanyone have recommendations for a 2m/70cm radio I can put in my truck?  I let my last one go with my old truck
16:39.02youtahFT-7900R
16:39.13strayahaha, the modern version of what I had :P
16:39.19SunSparcstraya: Did the new owner want it?
16:39.23strayaSunSparc: yeah
16:39.24youtahI have the FT-8900R
16:39.35frostyfrogstill needs to setup a mobile unit instead of just using their UV-5R while driving.
16:39.40youtahbut if you want to do Cross Band Repeating (legally) go with the Kenwood
16:39.43strayaSunSparc: it didn't have tone, so I said whatever, sure, take it
16:39.52SunSparcAh
16:40.04strayaIt was aging abit
16:40.27jlp_zncAlinco makes some good inexpensive rigs... DR-735T for about $300
16:40.47youtahhttps://smile.amazon.com/1185-FSMA-Amateur-Dual-Band-SMA-Female-Connector/dp/B01DY8FNE2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491410436&sr=8-1&keywords=Tram+1185
16:40.58youtahI ran with this antenna *forever*
16:41.07youtahliterally just closed the car door on the coax
16:41.09strayameh, I'll build my own
16:41.12frostyfrogyoutah, I'd like to see your shack and/or mesh setup sometime, if it's fine with you.
16:41.17youtahFor sure
16:41.35jlp_znconce you get in his house, you'll never get out!
16:41.45jlp_znche'll have you up on the roof looking at his solar panels
16:41.49frostyfrogxD
16:41.55frostyfrogSomething I need to setup
16:42.03youtahProbably the best radio out there IMO. https://smile.amazon.com/Kenwood-TM-V71A-144-Transceiver-Sysop-Mode/dp/B0084QI38S/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1491410501&sr=8-2&keywords=Kenwood+vhf+uhf
16:42.17youtah(for Dualband FM)
16:42.18frostyfrogGotta make my own mesh node resiliant to power failures after all.
16:42.37strayaI'll just install a whole new USRP set up in my truck, complete with touchscreen
16:42.43strayaoverkill
16:42.46youtahvery nice straya
16:43.14jlp_zncTM-V71 is a nice radio, and you can convert it into the D710 if you want to play APRS with just a new head unit
16:43.22SunSparcneeds to get an earphone for his HT
16:43.24youtahBTW jlp_znc, Gordon and I have a 2 meter CW (not MCW) net at 144.255 Mondays at 9:30pm.
16:43.52youtahjlp_znc, that V71 is the only cross band repeater radio that is actually Legal out of the box
16:44.03youtahMy FT-8900R doesn't ID legally
16:44.05frostyfrogkinda wants to practice CW because radiograms sound like a cool idea. x3
16:44.19youtahhowever I can listen to 800Mhz and do AM :)
16:44.31jlp_znchmmm, I think my TH-F76A will receive CW mode... but I don't have anything that can transmit it.
16:44.53youtahand you can't hear it using FM
16:45.12youtahLehi CERT Net tonight at 8pm >>> 448.875 MHz Repeater, -5MHz offset, 100hz tone
16:45.18jlp_zncF6A has CW, HF, LSB/USB receive modes
16:45.33youtahSeriously, Kenwood makes some seriously amazing hardware
16:45.35jlp_zncbut can only transmit with FM
16:46.13jlp_zncI need to get a new display and keypad for it, though... display doesn't show anything on the right hand side unless you push on it hard, and the keypad is completely worn blank :-)
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16:48.09jlp_zncprobably do the MARS/CAP mod while I have it opened up
16:48.25jlp_znc(you just have to remove a resistor)
16:51.24frostyfrogshould look into setting up an antenna
16:51.56frostyfrogMy dad bought 25' (I think) worth of antenna mast from Radioshack.
16:52.53frostyfrogBeen trying to figure out what to put on it and how to secure and ground the thing.
16:56.57frostyfrogAlso been trying to research the SDR type stuff because, well... panadapter :D
17:12.03youtahQuestion for the web gurus
17:12.22youtahwhat is the true difference between F5 and CTRL+SHIFT+R
17:12.40youtahI have an idea in my head, I am curious as to what you think
17:12.53youtahthey most definitely do behave differently however
17:16.13strayayoutah: shift does a force refresh, removes cache
17:16.24strayayou can achieve the same by doing shift-F5
17:17.30spangbornAlso typing /part in IRC
17:17.43youtahthat's what I am assuming as well straya
17:18.00youtahtells it to ignore cached stuff and just to reload the page
17:18.01spangbornstraya is correct
17:18.05youtahversus just reloading a page
17:18.57youtahApparently (in Chrome) Control + Shift + R or Control + F5 or Shift + F5 all to the same thing
17:19.16youtahs/to/do/
17:23.14TodPunkI was gonna say, it depends on the OS and browser
17:32.43spangbornCmd + R on OS X
17:32.52spangbornvs Shift + Cmd + R
18:20.47frostyfrog"<destination call-sign> calling from <source call-sign>" correct?
18:24.51frostyfrogJust double checking :P
18:42.37jlp_zncI usually say "to-call this is my-call"
18:42.48jlp_zncor "CQ from my-call"
18:43.26jlp_zncpeople who say "my-call monitoring" drive me crazy...
18:43.48jlp_zncdo I need to know you are monitoring?  do you want to talk?  or just listen?  if you want to talk, call CQ!
18:44.02frostyfrogAaah, so the basic idea of "Bob, this is john" but with callsigns of course :)
18:44.20frostyfrogxD Alright, alright.
18:44.58jlp_zncthing is, you know when you turn on your radio that there are a number of people out there, "monitoring"
18:45.18jlp_zncfor some reason, they don't want to talk... just listen. :-)
18:45.20frostyfrog(I've done that, what, 3-4 times? I've only owned a radio since Saturday, so... Still learning.)
18:45.56jlp_zncwell, welcome to the hobby!  I haven't even turned my radio on in months, unfortunately.  my commute is so short I don't have time to get into a conversation.
18:46.12jlp_zncI'll probably start carrying it again as the weather gets nicer and I start walking to work again.
18:48.27frostyfrogI blame a few things as far as the "my-call, monitoring". http://noji.com/hamradio/newham.php#q300 http://noji.com/hamradio/newham.php#q400 and others doing it on the repeater. >_>
18:50.30frostyfrogWell, blame is a little harsh, i guess.
18:50.32youtahI say "N1SC Mobile"
18:50.43youtahThat tells them a lot of things
18:50.50youtahA) I am not at home and they can rob me
18:51.04youtahB) if you hear a crappy signal, I am moving in a car, and it's probably me, not them
18:51.16youtahC) if you hear picket fencing, again, it is probably me.
18:51.39youtahD) if you hear an engine whine in my signal, it's my alternator
18:51.59youtahE) if you hear additional noises in the background, it is probably road noise
18:52.16youtahF) if you hear high pitched "third harmonics" ... that's just my kids
18:52.45youtahG) there is a chance that I might not be on for very long, so don't expect and long QSO
18:53.07youtahH) there is a chance that I will arrive to my destination and will need to end the QSO even though we're not "done"
18:53.30youtahI) I am going places, you're not. ;)
18:54.24youtahBottom line, it really doesn't matter what you say, as long as you use your ID every 10 minutes and at the end of your last transmission.
18:54.30jlp_zncthe most important, of course, being A
18:54.38youtahlol
18:54.40frostyfrogxD
18:54.59youtahsome people will tell you not to use CQ on a repeater
18:55.06jlp_zncthose people are dumb
18:55.19youtahin the words of jlp_znc ... I tell them: "you are entitled to your erroneous opinion"
18:55.46jlp_zncthere used to be a guy (old guy) who would routinely ID with "his-call portable", indicating that he was on an HT.
18:56.04jlp_zncI think he is SK now, sadly.  I have not heard him in a long time.
18:59.59youtahdo you remember his call?
19:00.05youtahGordon and I still chat every morning
19:00.10youtahon the 62
19:00.14youtahalong with Jim W7YV
19:00.37youtahhe is a crusty old curmudgeon
19:00.45youtahfantastic guy
19:00.52frostyfrogxD
19:01.03frostyfrogThat imagery x3
19:01.07youtahlol
19:02.11youtahImagine a 75yo 5'6" man, with a white scraggly beard, coffee stained mustache who loves his whiskey in the evening. Past grand master freemason and retired electrical engineer.
19:02.14youtahhe's truly an awesome guy
19:02.37jlp_zncI don't remember his call, sadly, or I would look him up.
19:02.51frostyfrogwait... freemason?! :O Coool!
19:03.22youtahhe's ridiculously smart and a lot of fun to chat with
19:03.37youtahcurmudgeon is his choice of description btw
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20:52.10fungushttps://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/
20:52.27youtahPublished April 1st?
20:52.37youtahnope, the 5th
20:53.26youtahit was too good to be true fungus
20:53.34youtahso I started questioning immediately
20:54.37fungustoo good to be true?  I like Unity.
20:54.44youtahIs this all because Trump pushed Bannon off the National Security Council?
20:54.59youtahI *constantly* get Unity based errors
20:55.25fungusHowever they are killing Mir.  That was just a waste of time IMHO.
20:56.04aeryndunhamWait, really?
20:56.07aeryndunhamI like Unity
20:56.49strayaso glad Mir is dead.
20:56.53fungusGnome is good too though.  I'll get over it fairly quick.
20:57.22strayaalso exceptionally glad ubuntu touch is dead.
20:57.31strayaconvergence was a bad idea that they never had a chance at
21:02.39youtah"Back in my day, there was this time.... we call the 6 dark years. Oh the very so dark years of Ubuntu, where they used the user interface which shall not be named." - me as a Grandpa, probably
21:05.51SunSparcJust so long as they do not kill the cli, that is my favorite interface.
21:12.12SunSparcgoes back to working in Aqua...
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21:18.03aeryndunhamwelp, I hate gnome, so I guess that will end my Ubuntu usage
21:39.11TodPunkUbuntu already uses Gnome quite a bit
21:39.30TodPunk(this is less a defense and more a confirmation that it's terrible)
21:43.01SunSparcremembers that he used a gui in Linux many years ago...
21:43.11SunSparcGood old KDE
21:43.40SunSparcaeryndunham: You probably know this, but you can use whatever UI you want.
21:44.07aeryndunhamSunSparc, I am aware :P
21:44.17SunSparcFigured. :D
21:45.07aeryndunhamI'll definitely go to KDE
21:46.48SunSparcEver try Enlightenment?
21:48.11SunSparcHmm... quite a few more UI options than when I last checked: https://www.slant.co/topics/343/~best-linux-desktop-environments
21:48.25youtahMATE
21:48.57youtahXFCE?
21:48.57spangbornI'm not your mate, pal
21:49.18youtahUbuntu MATE uses Gnome 2
21:49.23aeryndunhamEnlightenment is hideous
21:49.44youtahLubuntu uses LXDE
21:59.00youtahSide note
21:59.07youtahstill looking for a JavaScript developer
21:59.13youtahReact experience a plus
22:11.35spangbornReact? Gross
22:12.11spangbornjk react is okay
22:12.24spangbornHow senior is this position?
22:18.13youtahLooking at Junior to Senio
22:18.15youtahr
22:18.43SunSparcWhat if you already graduated?
22:18.55youtahlol
22:18.58SunSparcOr retired.
22:19.06youtahdoes that make you a Senior++?
22:19.10SunSparc:)
22:19.14spangbornSenior overflow
22:19.14youtahSenior.done()
22:19.21SunSparcOh, wait, if you retired that means you are a senior.
22:19.25spangbornYou're so senior that you're junior
22:19.35SunSparcSenior discounts.
22:19.50SunSparcSenior discounts for developers.
22:19.57youtahYES
22:20.19youtahDeveloper.Senior("discounts");
22:20.24SunSparcSo you are looking for a Senior to develop in JavaScript. I doubt most Seniors know what JavaScript is.
22:20.59spangbornI'm so senior I'm stuck in a pasture somewhere and don't know where I am or how I got here
22:21.15SunSparcHey spangborn, pass the hay.
22:21.19youtahNope, we need you to develop JavaScript, because it is 1994
22:21.51SunSparc"Developing JavaScript like it's 1994"
22:21.54spangbornTime to invent jquery and blow your mind then
22:21.59youtahYup
22:22.15youtahit's like a land for the internet.... a Netscape if you will
22:22.23youtahif only one knew how to navigate
22:22.29SunSparclol
22:23.42SunSparchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIqCBqC-1TY
22:23.47youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/KwZ1Oih.jpg << this is not Netscape Navigator
22:24.11SunSparchah
22:24.47youtahhttp://i.imgur.com/DgTLctj.jpg << this is not Netscape Navigator either
22:25.14SunSparcCheck out this sweet plugin for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxscape/
22:25.45youtahWOW
22:26.02youtahI need to use that plugin, find a bug on the website, and log it
22:26.10youtahand tell them I used Netscape Navigator
22:26.14SunSparc:)
22:26.14youtahand watch them explode
22:26.27SunSparclol, yeah, I can see the screenshots now.
22:26.28SunSparcheh
22:27.18youtahuhg
22:27.25youtahnot compatible with my version of FF
22:27.34SunSparclame
22:27.50youtah"Not compatible with 52.0.2"
22:28.48youtah"Out of courtesy for my users and to satisfy their interest in where things stand with FOXSCAPE, I am now declaring it dead. I simply do not have the resources necessary to do a proper job of it at this time."
22:29.32SunSparcAh well. It could have been so wonderful...
22:29.41SunSparcDownload an old Firefox?
22:29.44youtahMy dreams have been shattered
22:30.34TodPunkyoutah: I'm not even interested in talking with a company that can't even buy a KVM
22:30.44TodPunkOH SNAP
22:31.14youtahI think one of our sister companies is going to be getting us some KVM's free
22:31.19youtahto demo out
22:31.46TodPunkare they rack KVMs?
22:31.50youtahyes
22:31.55TodPunksad day
22:32.04youtahuhg going to Netscape Navigator redirects to isp.netscape.com
22:32.11youtahand it's such a horrible website
22:33.01frostyfroguses Synergy when they want to use multiple computers.
22:33.29frostyfrogWhen it comes to servers, I got an awesome remote KVM from someone in PLUG.
22:33.39youtahoh interesting
22:33.44frostyfrogOnly sad part is that the UI runs with web Java
22:34.14youtahthis website out of russia says that I can get Netscape Navigator for free, and that it is a "Safe Download"
22:34.16frostyfrogs/web Java/Java web applets/
22:36.04TodPunkI have yet to find a remote KVM that doesn't do that
22:36.20TodPunkit's usually just a VNC player that auths through their java wrapper
22:36.23frostyfrogChrome didn't support it
22:36.41frostyfrogHad to use FF instead :/
22:36.53TodPunkmy Dell remote access card does that, too, which is why I can't use it =cP
22:52.39youtahWow
22:52.51youtahColumbine happened almost 20 years ago
22:53.10youtahI was in High School when it happened.
23:04.38TodPunkDitto
23:04.56TodPunkalthough I also wore a black trenchcoat at the time, so it was a bit bigger a deal in my life somehow
23:05.47TodPunkI miss that coat, it was awesome.  Comfy, had pockets that could fit entire textbooks, sturdy, water resistant
23:11.44TodPunkLDUG tonight!
23:32.05leviLDUG! Be there!

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