| 00:11.41 | programmerq | birds are indeed pretty fun. |
| 00:12.48 | programmerq | we got a bird, then a cat. that cat was fine, but our next cat was a major jerk to the bird. we had to keep the bird caged more than we would have liked and felt bad. he now lives at a bird lady's house who has a purpose-built aviary at her house. |
| 00:13.14 | programmerq | we get occasional updates still, and it's been a few years. |
| 00:15.47 | levi | straya: I used to live in Charlottesville, VA |
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| 00:23.45 | *** topic/#utah is Utah related discussion including user groups | logs @ http://ibot.rikers.org/%23utah/ | See also ##lds |
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| 00:48.06 | TodPunk | https://i.imgur.com/O9UDXeD.gifv |
| 00:50.00 | aeryndunham | well that looks good |
| 00:50.55 | levi | Mmm, hot bubble butter. |
| 01:55.54 | straya | levi: not far from where I was, fun! |
| 02:22.23 | levi | straya: I love the area, but not so much the humidity, so I feel a bit more at home in Utah. |
| 02:28.38 | levi | Ugh, I just stumbled across an alt-right Mormon blog. As if that wasn't bad enough, there was a post that featured a video from lds.org about how a family dealt with their son coming out as gay to them. The post was pretty ugly towards the video and blamed it on the "suburban housewives" of church PR getting too much control. |
| 02:29.27 | spangborn | Sounds like a great blog /s |
| 02:30.01 | spangborn | Do alt-right Mormons hate Muslims? |
| 02:30.20 | levi | And that was pretty gross too; but the thing is, the family is one that was in my ward + neighborhood for years, and it royally pissed me off to have internet randos slandering my neighbors. |
| 02:32.45 | levi | I am too disgusted to learn any more about alt-right Mormons. |
| 02:49.29 | straya | I am just disgusted in general by people right now |
| 03:02.48 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 03:03.51 | levi | You may have seen the dad of this family; a photo of him wearing "short shorts" with a "Best dad ever" t-shirt went viral a few years ago. |
| 03:04.07 | straya | I see |
| 03:16.04 | levi | Guy's a bit of a goofball, but he's good people. |
| 03:29.46 | straya | anyone in here own a diesel? |
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| 05:17.21 | klys | no |
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| 14:53.57 | manithree | Alt-right Mormons? That's a thing? |
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| 14:57.16 | jima | why not? |
| 14:58.19 | jima | i think levi found this one (i hope?): http://www.sltrib.com/home/5116879-155/mormon-blogger-trumpets-alt-right-racial-views |
| 14:58.46 | jima | nice to hear the church disagrees with her stance. |
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| 15:03.17 | Migs | it's nice that the SLTrib actually cast the church in a positive light |
| 15:03.24 | jima | ... |
| 15:26.22 | straya | People are so confusing |
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| 15:34.35 | eightyeight | that chick is crazy racist |
| 15:39.59 | straya | Agreed, it's unbelievable |
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| 16:04.04 | jima | no it's not. |
| 16:04.17 | jima | if you fidn it unbelievable, you've lived a very sheltered life. |
| 16:04.20 | jima | find* |
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| 16:09.14 | Migs | in that case, I'm glad I live a sheltered life |
| 16:09.25 | Migs | don't have to deal with that nonsense |
| 16:09.54 | aeryndunham | hmm downloaded a new irc client on the windows computer and I am not sure how I feel about it |
| 16:10.05 | jima | Migs: lucky you. |
| 16:10.21 | jima | "that nonsense" is a daily fact of life for many people. |
| 16:10.28 | straya | jima: oh its very believable to me, I just don't want to accept that there are that many people who support it |
| 16:10.48 | jima | straya: acceptance is the first step to correcting it. |
| 16:10.48 | straya | I'm quite familiar with racism and its ugly face |
| 16:11.43 | Migs | yeah, thankfully I don't have to deal with it |
| 16:12.26 | straya | jima: what is your proprosed method after accpetance? |
| 16:12.51 | jima | i mean, it's been a few years since i stood toe-to-toe against a white supremacist at a state capitol...i'm not as active as i used to be. |
| 16:13.29 | straya | people who don't want to change won't change for someone elses arguments |
| 16:13.42 | straya | so philosophically, I don't see any easy solution |
| 16:13.44 | jima | i wasn't there for him. well, not exactly. |
| 16:13.59 | straya | short of just sticking everyone in a truly homogenous environment |
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| 16:15.04 | straya | hi frostyfrog! |
| 16:15.08 | Migs | you must enjoy drama if you found yourself standing toe-to-toe against white supremacists on more than one occasion |
| 16:15.19 | jima | straya: yeah, i won't pretend to have all of the answers. |
| 16:15.28 | straya | jima: none of us do, oh well |
| 16:15.32 | frostyfrog | Good morning! :D |
| 16:15.40 | frostyfrog | Hello, straya. :) |
| 16:15.50 | straya | Migs: fun split between hating drama and hating injustice |
| 16:15.57 | jima | Migs: i can't say i expected it. i was a marshal for a counter-rally to a kkk/nsm rally at a state capitol building. |
| 16:16.01 | straya | frostyfrog: I'm glad you're having a good morning |
| 16:16.18 | jima | the counter-rally outnumbered the rally something like 32:1 |
| 16:16.53 | frostyfrog | straya: It's mostly because I had a good weekend talking on the airwaves (radio, specifically the 2m band) |
| 16:17.17 | straya | thats nice |
| 16:17.31 | straya | fun to be exploring the amateur bands |
| 16:19.06 | frostyfrog | Indeed :) |
| 16:20.18 | straya | occasionally you can find me around, KF5WPA |
| 16:21.55 | frostyfrog | I only got started (keep getting nervous when I try to key up). KI7MAT is my call |
| 16:24.14 | straya | does anyone here own horse property? |
| 16:24.45 | frostyfrog | is hoping that youtah comes on so that I can bug him about his mesh setup >_> (ham related) |
| 16:24.57 | frostyfrog | I do not. :/ |
| 16:25.14 | straya | amateur meshes are fascinating |
| 16:25.21 | straya | I'm a touch too far south to connect to theirs though |
| 16:25.58 | straya | I'm trying to decide whether I'm going to stay with my current barn since they're moving 30 minutes south of me |
| 16:26.14 | straya | or to try and find a way to financially keep horses in my life closer to me |
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| 16:40.58 | pashdown | have you see the godfather? that might work. |
| 16:41.07 | pashdown | *seen |
| 16:43.29 | spangborn | LOL |
| 16:44.48 | frostyfrog | TIL about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stream_Control_Transmission_Protocol |
| 16:45.10 | frostyfrog | looks pretty cool for certain use cases |
| 17:16.16 | shalkie | TIL that amazon created a browser called Silk for their android devices. |
| 17:17.16 | shalkie | Interestingly some of the page rendering may actually be performed on an EC2 instance and the results returned to the browser. |
| 17:17.24 | shalkie | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Silk |
| 17:17.49 | shalkie | Also, SPDY is dead, long live SPDY as part of HTTP/2 |
| 17:23.01 | spangborn | shalkie: How Opera-ish of them |
| 17:33.54 | jima | shalkie: creepy. |
| 17:35.06 | eightyeight | "On July 26, 2016 it was reported that Silk prevents access to Google over HTTPS." |
| 17:35.09 | eightyeight | uhm... |
| 17:35.39 | jima | double creepy. |
| 17:35.49 | eightyeight | has that since been fixed? |
| 17:35.53 | romanovic | didn't Opera do something similar with their mobile browser? |
| 17:37.54 | spangborn | Yep |
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| 17:38.05 | spangborn | romanovic: Yeah, it still does |
| 17:38.23 | spangborn | Which is why people are stupid to trust it |
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| 18:46.46 | romanovic | wow, Tesla market value greater than Ford? |
| 18:49.56 | jima | wow. |
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| 19:41.32 | SunSparc | Ford stock value is 11.40? |
| 19:42.30 | SunSparc | Wow, Chipotle is at 455 |
| 19:42.52 | straya | haha |
| 19:44.46 | eightyeight | critical to know how the top 1% is surviving |
| 19:45.23 | TodPunk | Mostly investing in all the free nonsense we seem to think will be around forever *coughtwittercough* |
| 21:00.06 | aeryndunham | I should drag myself to the store |
| 21:07.04 | straya | I s ee |
| 21:07.05 | straya | food is good |
| 21:08.29 | jima | anyone know anyone IT at UVU? |
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| 21:21.35 | TodPunk | I'd be ashamed if I did |
| 21:44.05 | jima | s'ok, i found help in #dc801 |
| 22:01.37 | aeryndunham | So I just got publically shamed by my CVS cashier for buying a soda |
| 22:03.10 | TodPunk | one soda? |
| 22:03.42 | aeryndunham | Yep |
| 22:03.45 | TodPunk | Were you like, "cool, you work at CVS as a cashier, how's those life tips workin' out for ya?" |
| 22:03.59 | aeryndunham | She was all "I don't understand why anyone drinks this stuff, it's so bad for you and tastes gross anyway." |
| 22:04.15 | aeryndunham | I wanted to be like, listen lady, I'm really sad and lonely today and I wanted a cherry pepsi, dammit |
| 22:04.27 | TodPunk | That doesn't sound personal at all |
| 22:04.30 | jlp_znc | "I don't understand why anyone shops at CVS when the cashiers are so insensitive and judgemental." |
| 22:05.07 | aeryndunham | maybe not super personal but was still really weird |
| 22:05.08 | TodPunk | "Because lots of people like sugar, because biology." |
| 22:06.18 | TodPunk | Happens regularly enough to me. As long as it's not something embarrassing to discuss with a stranger or something, like when I'm buying maxi pads for the fam or something, I just consider it normal commentary. |
| 22:06.22 | jlp_znc | "I don't want to get you fired, but I'd like a refund and I know you will have to get a manager to process it, and I'll have to explain to the manager why I'm not shopping at this CVS any more." |
| 22:09.13 | aeryndunham | I never make any kind of customer service scenes, even on those odd cases where they are actually warrantedf |
| 22:09.27 | aeryndunham | I'm just... having a sad day. |
| 22:09.58 | jlp_znc | Well, you have worked in a customer service role, which probably makes you more sensitive. |
| 22:10.10 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 22:11.28 | jlp_znc | How did that job application go? |
| 22:12.19 | aeryndunham | My resume has been submitted |
| 22:31.00 | aeryndunham | so I guess now I just wait |
| 22:31.13 | aeryndunham | but since there was no real job listing I don't know if I have officially applied |
| 22:34.34 | jlp_znc | Maybe this will cheer you up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeQi4zbT8fA |
| 22:37.07 | straya | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hh9lWK-iwc |
| 22:37.08 | straya | or this |
| 22:37.25 | aeryndunham | I was trying to cheer myself up by trying to pick PC parts but I'm just overwhelmed now :P |
| 22:38.21 | straya | aww :( |
| 22:46.09 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠what's your goal with your PC build? |
| 22:46.40 | programmerq | a realistic gaming rig? portability? spec out a super expensive workstation just cuz? |
| 22:46.46 | aeryndunham | I want a gaming PC that can run things on high graphics settings and I don't want it to cost a million dollars |
| 22:47.00 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠so $500.00 budget? |
| 22:47.05 | aeryndunham | (It's a birthday gift, I won't be paying for it, but... still) |
| 22:47.31 | programmerq | do you have any other requirements like "no liquid cooling", "must be quiet", "must be pretty" ? |
| 22:49.02 | programmerq | cheap way to go: find some surplus sale that has old workstations. pick up a dell 990 with an i5 or i7 in a full tower config (no small form factor!) |
| 22:49.10 | programmerq | you can usually find something like that for <$200.00 |
| 22:49.23 | programmerq | then take the rest of your budget and get the best GPU you can for that money |
| 22:49.51 | programmerq | to truly run anything on high settings with that approach, you may end up paying a little more than $300.00 for the GPU |
| 22:51.14 | aeryndunham | I actually don't need a GPU, Chris wants a new one so he's going to give me his |
| 22:53.21 | programmerq | ah, that makes it a bit easier. what GPU is that one? |
| 22:53.42 | programmerq | (sorry, I enjoy spec'ing out a PC) |
| 22:55.50 | programmerq | https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/ - this is a decent resource |
| 23:17.33 | levi | Ugh, I just had to untangle some really gross hacked-together C code and discovered it's full of undefined behavior and portability issues. |
| 23:17.59 | aeryndunham | programmerq: ah sorry I got distracted, his is nvidia geforce gtx 980 Ti |
| 23:19.08 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠you'll be in pretty good shape then. |
| 23:19.47 | levi | It stores audio samples into a queue in chunks. If the audio samples happen to be 24-bit samples, it packs them adjacent to one another, each one taking 3 bytes. If they're 16-bit samples, each one takes 2 bytes. |
| 23:20.10 | aeryndunham | programmerq: Yeah, it's his computer I'm using now, stuff looks great |
| 23:20.32 | aeryndunham | I had been playing WoW on my laptop but once I've used a proper gaming PC I cannot go back :p |
| 23:20.38 | levi | That's okay, in itself, but the way it accesses them is not. |
| 23:23.08 | levi | Regardless of the sample size, it treats each chunk of samples as a byte array and walks through it with a char *. It increments that pointer by 2 for 16-bit samples and 3 for 24-bit samples. For each, it casts the char * to int32_t *, then dereferences that pointer to another int32_t temp variable and applies a mask; either 0x00FFFFFF or 0x0000FFFF depending on whether it's a 24-bit or 16-bit sample. |
| 23:24.30 | levi | This is... not the right way to do things. |
| 23:28.18 | levi | I apologize to those of you who are blessed to not have to know C and maintain other people's C code. I just had to share my pain. |
| 23:29.34 | straya | awww thats so cute levi |
| 23:29.51 | straya | it appears that someone had no idea what they were doing |
| 23:38.45 | jlp_znc | apparently they had never heard of such a thing as big/small endian machines |
| 23:39.06 | straya | who cares about those, right? |
| 23:39.13 | jlp_znc | wrote a portability library for spreadsheets once |
| 23:39.43 | jlp_znc | it handled big endian, small endian, and half-word endian (like the PDP11), as well as DECFLOAT vs. IEEE floating point representations. |
| 23:40.06 | jlp_znc | it was pretty ugly, as I recall. :-) |
| 23:40.21 | jlp_znc | that was in... 1988? |
| 23:40.34 | levi | Also, casting an object pointer to another pointer type such that the resulting pointer isn't properly aligned is undefined behavior. And that's *before* you go and dereference it. |
| 23:42.24 | levi | Dereferencing an unaligned pointer is definitely undefined behavior, and will definitely earn you a bus fault on many architectures. |
| 23:44.34 | levi | (I have run across many C programmers who seem otherwise competent but don't realize this is a problem) |
| 23:47.59 | jlp_znc | I think the problem is that they don't really teach computer architecture to programmers any more. |
| 23:51.21 | levi | Well, there are two problems, only one of which computer architecture knowledge would help with. The other one just requires knowing what you're allowed to do in C, which is *distinct* from architecture. |
| 23:51.41 | jlp_znc | as I recall, I based my library on Sun's XDR, but where XDR always forces data to a "standard" format, for performance reasons I wanted to always save in the native architecture's format and then I had the read functions able to handle multiple architectures. |
| 23:52.13 | jlp_znc | don't forget the things in C that are undefined (implementation defined) |
| 23:53.09 | jlp_znc | hey, anyone interested in hearing from Frank Abagnale? He'll be talking at South Towne Expo Center on the 13th. |
| 23:53.32 | jlp_znc | http://aarp.cvent.com/events/aarp-ut-fraud-watch-network-event-with-frank-abagnale-salt-lake-city-utah-04-13-2017/event-summary-51d709d3a0114c789c3e8132a1a6dc82.aspx |
| 23:54.44 | levi | There's stuff that's undefined, and then there's stuff that's implementation defined, and they're not the same stuff! :) |
| 23:54.56 | jlp_znc | I was fortunate to see his presentation when I was at Oakley... it's definitely worth the time. |
| 23:55.09 | jlp_znc | (if you don't know, Frank Abagnale was the "Catch me if you can" guy) |
| 23:55.29 | levi | Yeah, I made the connection right before you mentioned it. |
| 23:55.34 | jlp_znc | heh, yeah, the perils of working with C |
| 23:55.50 | jlp_znc | anyway, it's supposed to be free if anyone wants to go. |
| 23:56.05 | jlp_znc | Thursday evening, 7-8:30 |