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| 03:23.07 | winsoff | http://fox13now.com/2017/03/26/you-no-longer-have-to-get-a-vehicle-safety-inspection-in-utah/ |
| 03:23.11 | winsoff | Why? |
| 03:23.20 | winsoff | Why is Herbert so stupid? |
| 03:29.52 | bryceml | I don't think it's bad. Every time I have gotten a safety inspection, they get it wrong anyways. They tell me my bearings are bad when it's my ball joints, or the brake pad measurements are completely off. There's still emissions checks so the cars can't be super terrible on the roads. |
| 03:30.54 | romanovic | Agreed, I don't think it is necessarily a bad thing. But in addition to getting things wrong or not behing comprehensive, I think there's a data driven reason to get rid of safety inspections. |
| 03:32.20 | bryceml | And if you still want one, I don't think there's a shop that would argue with you. I think they would gladly accept your money. |
| 03:33.02 | romanovic | Turns out, safety inspections don't really do a good job of preventing road accidents. It's a very small number, so small that putting the money elsewhere (e.g. UHP) is likely to save more lives and damage |
| 03:35.13 | winsoff | romanovic, is that road accidents reported? |
| 03:36.28 | winsoff | Because I don't report when my tie rod end blows out and takes the wheel sideways--no one does. I have always personally kept up on mine, but I was driving taxi for a company this year that hadn't done proper maintenance on them, and I was damn near a problematic situation because of the heavy traffic. |
| 03:36.48 | winsoff | Not to mention the amount of potholes that 80 west and east coming out/in parleys canyon have this year (thanks, concrete) |
| 03:37.51 | winsoff | That's something I don't want to see: Too many people in the heart of salt lake don't even know how to change oil, let alone keep everything in alignment. Simultaneously, maybe we will replace it with better checks (doubtful--they don't even check your damned tire pressure at service stations unless you ask). |
| 03:38.24 | winsoff | Also, did you see how they sneaked in more uber-related regulations into a bill that did not need to have anything to do with it? |
| 03:39.03 | bryceml | There are uber-related regulations in this bill? I'll have to read it. |
| 03:39.54 | winsoff | Ah fug i forgot to link |
| 03:40.05 | romanovic | I'm not the data scientist behind the findings, I don't know. But I've heard the news report as justification for this bill that they tried to answer the question, "how many road incidents / lives lost / damage etc would result from eliminating the annual safety inspection" |
| 03:40.18 | winsoff | http://le.utah.gov/~2017/bills/static/HB0265.html bryceml: ctrl+f "transportation network" |
| 03:40.41 | winsoff | That's something that is pretty hard to measure, since we haven't actually eliminated them |
| 03:41.03 | romanovic | This is what data scientists do |
| 03:41.32 | winsoff | Certainly, but it's not something they can just pull out of the air, either--they would need a control of some sort, and also need to literally be everywhere at once to get a decent sample |
| 03:42.00 | winsoff | To account for bias, they'd have to not let the people know they weren't getting safety inspections (how?) and then track their vehicle and record incidents (how?) |
| 03:44.28 | bryceml | I agree that they should have put the uber stuff in a separate bill, but it doesn't look bad. Basically requires drivers to not be sex offenders, criminals, or terrorists, minimum age of 19. |
| 03:44.36 | romanovic | Sure. getting good samples and using proper controls are universal challenges for data science and not unique to traffic / driver / accident data at all. |
| 03:44.51 | winsoff | yeah, it's nice compared to what herbert did for them earlier |
| 03:45.00 | winsoff | which was "yeah just basically write what laws you want us to put in and we'll okay it" |
| 03:45.42 | winsoff | romanovic, certainly, which is what I mean: We have relational databases and traffic cameras--too bad we don't seem to use them for anything particularly interesting beyond traffic analysis. |
| 03:52.20 | TodPunk | Hehehehe. "I don't know how data scientists are doing their jobs in this case and I can't think of it while sitting here, therefor their advices is null and void!" |
| 03:52.36 | TodPunk | Oh, IRC, never change |
| 03:53.10 | winsoff | TodPunk, can you propose anything that would make sense? I was not saying that I could "not think of it:" I established the necessary requirements to properly measure the data they want to get at, and stated that it would be ludicrous to accomplish such a thing. |
| 03:53.50 | TodPunk | No. I refuse to get emotionally invested in politics. It is the hobby of morons who think themselves kings (especially when they /are/ kings). |
| 03:54.18 | TodPunk | if you want to be angry at the law, choose justification or not, you're still impotently screaming at the sky, even if you do so over IRC |
| 03:54.23 | winsoff | I think you have a misrepresentation of politics in your head. Everything you do as a human being is political. |
| 03:54.27 | TodPunk | but by all means, I find it hilarious |
| 03:54.50 | winsoff | You are not above someone who you claim to be above: From the faint point you make, it must be all of that elevation you get from your high horse. |
| 03:55.00 | TodPunk | xD |
| 03:55.04 | winsoff | QED. |
| 03:55.06 | TodPunk | You are just cute as a /button/ |
| 03:57.04 | winsoff | You are a software engineer--you inherently participate in the development of tools that then become used by political actors in some form. |
| 03:57.32 | TodPunk | mhmmm, keep going |
| 03:57.37 | winsoff | You are not removed whatsoever from the concepts involved--you are a direct purveyor of the political atmosphere you live in. |
| 03:57.53 | TodPunk | few more paragraphs please |
| 03:57.56 | spangborn | gets popcorn |
| 03:58.05 | winsoff | These dichotomies you have in your head are futile: They do not keep you from the actions you are trying to avoid. |
| 03:58.20 | TodPunk | so far so good |
| 03:58.26 | winsoff | But to get properly political, what is your language of choice? |
| 03:58.39 | TodPunk | no no, keep with your rant |
| 03:58.46 | winsoff | No, it stays in line. |
| 03:58.52 | TodPunk | very well |
| 03:58.55 | winsoff | You probably only develop in Javascript. |
| 03:58.59 | TodPunk | now go back and read what I said |
| 03:59.05 | TodPunk | be more careful this time |
| 03:59.13 | spangborn | lol @ only in JavaScript |
| 03:59.20 | TodPunk | hahahaha |
| 03:59.24 | spangborn | Is that supposed to be an insult? |
| 03:59.24 | TodPunk | oh man, he's so lively |
| 03:59.27 | winsoff | "node.js can do EVERYTHING! nosql!!!" |
| 03:59.29 | TodPunk | I think he means it as such |
| 03:59.45 | TodPunk | I'm still enjoying that I'm a "software engineer" |
| 03:59.49 | spangborn | Oh, the dichotomies you have in your head are futile, winsoff |
| 03:59.56 | winsoff | Really, though, I read it just as carefully as you intended it. |
| 04:00.14 | TodPunk | winsoff: I used an e word. Can /you/ find it? |
| 04:00.22 | winsoff | spangborn, the one involving javascript really isn't futile: Javascript's reinvention of the wheel has cost plenty of real human labor hours in terms of progress |
| 04:00.40 | spangborn | lol |
| 04:00.45 | spangborn | You're cute |
| 04:00.53 | spangborn | TodPunk: can we keep him? |
| 04:00.59 | TodPunk | I think we just might |
| 04:01.04 | TodPunk | I wonder if he eats biscuits |
| 04:01.05 | winsoff | TodPunk, yes, and you should realize the rhetoric I used was inherently invoking something I guarantee you have heard before: Replace everything I said involving politics with emotions, and both of us have heard that discussion. |
| 04:01.15 | spangborn | I bet he'll eat crow |
| 04:01.19 | winsoff | Everything you do, including "smug bitchiness," is an emotional response. That isn't apathy. |
| 04:01.20 | spangborn | On occasion, anyway |
| 04:01.23 | TodPunk | he's already demonstrated that |
| 04:01.27 | winsoff | spangborn, magpie |
| 04:01.51 | winsoff | You cannot be honestly telling me that javascript was a necessary evil for the transition to web applications, spangborn |
| 04:02.17 | winsoff | The only thing that revived it was the innovation of v8, and the similar engines following it |
| 04:02.25 | spangborn | Did I make this argument somewhere? |
| 04:02.29 | TodPunk | Now he's arguing with a fake /you/ |
| 04:02.37 | winsoff | spangborn, you made it through negation |
| 04:02.38 | TodPunk | Must be pretty thirsty |
| 04:02.44 | winsoff | TodPunk, you didn't answer the question. |
| 04:02.45 | spangborn | You seem to be especially apt at putting words in other peoples' mouths |
| 04:03.02 | winsoff | spangborn, certainly not: You seem to be inept at putting any words onto the screen, and thus a best-guess is warranted |
| 04:03.04 | TodPunk | You haven't asked a question in the page I have on my screen? |
| 04:03.10 | spangborn | Oh cute |
| 04:03.14 | spangborn | More insults |
| 04:03.18 | spangborn | I love this |
| 04:03.19 | winsoff | That's how conversations work: If you pull back, the other person has to step in. It's an abutment of consciousness |
| 04:03.27 | TodPunk | It's been a while since I've seen one liv |
| 04:03.41 | winsoff | TodPunk, how big is your screen? |
| 04:04.02 | TodPunk | The one IRC is on is 1080x1920, though my other is 1920x1080 |
| 04:04.11 | winsoff | 21:58:24 | winsoff | But to get properly political, what is your language of choice? |
| 04:04.16 | TodPunk | I'd say IRC takes up about 40% |
| 04:04.23 | TodPunk | English, mostly |
| 04:04.36 | winsoff | I knew you would say that, and I prepared "so you're a sociopath" in response |
| 04:04.48 | TodPunk | mostly necessity |
| 04:04.53 | winsoff | Seeing as someone using English to program would be indeed manipulating others (which is, in some ways, the core of language) |
| 04:05.10 | winsoff | Since you're manipulating someone else's mind into thinking the thoughts you want them to think with words |
| 04:05.11 | TodPunk | I wouldn't mind learning Chinese or more Spanish, but I haven't had a use for either |
| 04:05.28 | TodPunk | man, still stuck on the programmer thing |
| 04:05.34 | TodPunk | though I guess it was engineer earlier |
| 04:05.36 | winsoff | Spanish is ever useful--there is an entire world in Utah that lives primarily through spanish |
| 04:05.50 | spangborn | I wish I spoke asshole as fluently as this guy |
| 04:05.59 | winsoff | Software engineer === programmer, even if "bad" is a good qualifier in this case |
| 04:06.04 | TodPunk | I do, but he's not particularly well-read in the prose |
| 04:06.08 | winsoff | spangborn, you have to eat ass as much as I do, clearly |
| 04:06.15 | winsoff | "the prose" |
| 04:06.18 | winsoff | "the ukraine" |
| 04:07.29 | TodPunk | spangborn: I saw your pic on the trail. Are those both your dogs? I thought you only had one. |
| 04:07.29 | winsoff | TodPunk, you seem pretty stuck on the reddit train of thought. |
| 04:07.40 | spangborn | TodPunk: Yep, I've got two. |
| 04:07.55 | TodPunk | Nice. They look like they were having fun. |
| 04:08.01 | spangborn | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Qvhwn5IM/IMG_0002.JPG |
| 04:08.20 | spangborn | They love that park. I take them every Saturday. |
| 04:11.00 | winsoff | http://luxul.com/engineering-careers This is what qualifies for an engineer these days? |
| 04:11.20 | winsoff | "Frontend development experience, javascript tooling, dev workflow" |
| 04:11.40 | TodPunk | spangborn: how was your trip? I never heard. |
| 04:11.42 | winsoff | good looking dogs, spangborn |
| 04:11.53 | spangborn | TodPunk: it was nice. Cold, but nice. |
| 04:12.19 | TodPunk | I've been enjoying the rain the last few days, despite the cold. |
| 04:12.33 | TodPunk | My wife less so. She does not like the cold. |
| 04:13.14 | TodPunk | Just about firepit and grilling weather, though |
| 04:13.29 | winsoff | actually, i've been wondering: nights with clouds are always warmer than nights without clouds. is this because the clouds scatter infrared and keep heat closer to the surface, or is it the opposite: that warmer nights encourage cloud formation? |
| 04:14.29 | winsoff | TodPunk, http://i.imgur.com/yg1oC5L.jpg like today? |
| 04:34.55 | jlp_znc | Â /whois holly |
| 04:35.10 | jlp_znc | oops |
| 04:35.14 | TodPunk | hahahaha |
| 04:35.16 | TodPunk | gj |
| 04:35.17 | spangborn | Buddy Holly? |
| 04:35.28 | TodPunk | Holly Buddy? |
| 04:35.28 | jlp_znc | I was thinking Red Dwarf Holly |
| 04:36.30 | jlp_znc | I was considering /nick holly; "what's happenin' dudes?" |
| 04:36.42 | TodPunk | that takes me back |
| 04:36.56 | TodPunk | oh hey, we were talking about starcraft the other day |
| 04:36.58 | jlp_znc | but I wanted to make sure I wasn't going to step on some real holly |
| 04:37.03 | TodPunk | so now they're doing a remastered version of the original |
| 04:37.08 | jlp_znc | my son says they are remaking star craft |
| 04:37.18 | TodPunk | jlp_znc: that was SO 10 seconds ago |
| 04:37.20 | jlp_znc | so blizzard == hollywood, now. no new ideas. |
| 04:37.20 | TodPunk | keep up, man |
| 04:37.24 | TodPunk | yeah |
| 04:37.27 | jlp_znc | it's been a long day |
| 04:37.31 | TodPunk | did you read they're rebooting the Matrix? |
| 04:37.55 | jlp_znc | I heard that some people think the universe is a holographic simulation of reality. |
| 04:38.03 | TodPunk | is glad he hasn't been a movie goer for a long time as of that announcement |
| 04:41.25 | jlp_znc | I think I enjoy watching movies at home more... I can snuggle up on the couch with my wife, snack on popcorn I popped myself, drink whatever I want, pause the show when someone needs a bathroom break. |
| 04:41.52 | jlp_znc | and I can buy the movie on bluray for about $25, usually, which is probably what we would spend on popcorn and drinks alone at the theater. |
| 04:42.37 | jlp_znc | I don't mind going to the cinema, necessarily, just enjoy watching at home more. |
| 04:42.59 | jlp_znc | we did go see Kong: Skull Island, though. got free tickets and it's hard to turn that down. |
| 04:43.53 | TodPunk | yeah, I've gone for social groups before, but home is much nicer |
| 04:44.07 | TodPunk | the neighborhood guy movie night for John Wick 2, for instance |
| 04:46.00 | winsoff | when did blizzard ever have new ideas? |
| 04:46.33 | winsoff | they haven't ever been the ones to create new content. they didn't invent the rts, nor did they invent the moba/card game/tf2 |
| 04:46.51 | TodPunk | ok, yes, that's very nice. Hush now, the adults are talking. |
| 04:47.06 | TodPunk | loves that one |
| 04:47.16 | winsoff | tu quoque, reddite(insert accent) |
| 04:54.10 | jlp_znc | I think we saw the first John Wick. |
| 04:54.24 | jlp_znc | movies don't generally stand out in my memory, I guess. |
| 04:55.26 | TodPunk | It's a typical bad-assery shoot-em-up type. Fun, but not going to be paricularly compelling outside the social utility of discussing it if that's your flavor. |
| 04:55.54 | jlp_znc | no, just checked IMDB... I haven't seen it. I was thinking of Jack Reacher (the Tom Cruise movie) |
| 04:55.55 | TodPunk | Apparently it's big in the group here. I watched the first one the night before we saw the second. |
| 04:56.00 | TodPunk | Ah |
| 04:56.17 | TodPunk | and on that note |
| 04:56.19 | TodPunk | sleeps |
| 04:56.43 | jlp_znc | I don't have a problem with the shoot 'em up bad ass movies. |
| 04:57.17 | jlp_znc | I guess it is getting late. My wife has crashed on the couch next to me. I need to wake her up and make her go to bed, I guess. Catch you on the 'morrow, TP. |
| 04:57.34 | jlp_znc | ~seen youtah |
| 04:57.35 | infobot | youtah <~Jeff@67.139.187.133> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6d 5h 37m 31s ago, saying: 'Draper is fine'. |
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| 14:14.58 | TodPunk | There should be a phone for teens that you can only text/call to/from if it's a number you allow |
| 14:15.14 | TodPunk | and/or quotas, maybe time limits |
| 14:15.20 | TodPunk | should make this service |
| 14:16.32 | jholtom | Pretty sure variants of it exist |
| 14:21.17 | TodPunk | pieces of it, yeah |
| 14:21.59 | TodPunk | My cousin had a thing for their teen that would limit who could call/text it but it had a 5 number limit and you had to call to change the list |
| 14:28.25 | jholtom | Ah |
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| 14:53.08 | TodPunk | it was weird to have those limitations. I'd even accept the call-to-change if it didn't have that limit (though it's 2017, I don't know why that would be a thing) |
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| 16:33.27 | SunSparc | https://youtu.be/bCuoWSv6UeA |
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| 16:54.45 | levi | TodPunk: I suspect either some strange limitation of the system it had to integrate with, which was probably developed ages ago, or the code was farmed out to a low-dollar contractor that sucked. |
| 16:56.04 | frostyfrog | 5 number limit? That seems rather arbitrary... |
| 17:54.37 | Migs | Haha, my 14 year-old's getting a rude awakening about having a job (it's her first). She just learned that a FrontRunner pass is going to cost her $150, and she's only going to be earning $600/month at Lagoon. I don't think she's even considered taxes yet. |
| 17:55.28 | frostyfrog | xD Ooops |
| 17:57.52 | frostyfrog | I'd go to Lagoon, but it's just way to pricey for me to justify :/ |
| 18:01.43 | manithree | Migs: Did she look at FarePay? Depending on her commute, it could end up less expensive. |
| 18:07.27 | Migs | looks like it's only for the disabled and seniors |
| 18:11.26 | RyanE | Of course, at least income taxes she should get 100% back. |
| 18:16.46 | manithree | Anybody can get a FarePay. |
| 18:17.08 | manithree | You have to have a pretty long, very regular commute to justify the EcoPass |
| 18:20.17 | Migs | oh I see |
| 18:20.22 | Migs | yeah, I'll suggest that to her |
| 18:20.31 | Migs | it's just from Roy to Farmington, so that'll probably be good |
| 18:25.24 | jholtom | Migs: she's not earning enough to hit taxes probably |
| 18:25.37 | Migs | you're probably right |
| 18:25.49 | Migs | oh yeah, you're definitely right |
| 18:25.57 | Migs | $600/month is peanuts |
| 18:26.18 | Migs | I'm glad you told me about FarePay. I didn't know that existed. |
| 18:26.19 | jholtom | but yeah, hello when you start to have money it gets to be a pain in the butt cause everyone wants it |
| 18:27.54 | RyanE | Yep. I have done taxes for 3 of my kids this year. They all got all of it back. |
| 18:28.10 | jholtom | I do not get all of it back :( |
| 18:28.13 | RyanE | Me either. |
| 18:28.18 | RyanE | that's why I haven't done mine yet. :) |
| 18:28.42 | jholtom | haha |
| 18:28.49 | jholtom | I did mine, had to amend twice |
| 18:29.16 | Migs | The worst year for me was when I first started making a ton on freelance work and didn't adjust my withholding enough for my day job to compensate. I underestimated how ballin' I was. |
| 18:29.34 | Migs | Won't ever make that mistake again |
| 18:30.12 | Migs | I know you're supposed to make estimated payments, but meh |
| 18:30.31 | unum | I do farepay |
| 18:30.46 | unum | a pass only makes sense if I ride every single day |
| 18:30.48 | unum | which I don't |
| 18:32.09 | Migs | I'm not sure I could stand a long commute each day |
| 18:32.29 | Migs | if I had a job in SLC, it'd have to be within walking distance of the FrontRunner. |
| 18:39.32 | unum | it's nice being able to read |
| 18:39.50 | unum | I listen to the stuff I missed in history podcast now |
| 18:39.58 | unum | my commute is only 20 minutes |
| 18:40.41 | programmerq | my commute is real difficult. |
| 18:40.52 | unum | just got out of an hour meeting talking about how to reduce the number of mistakes that get into production |
| 18:40.54 | Migs | mine is only 20 minutes too |
| 18:41.08 | Migs | I've had to drive from Ogden to SLC during rush hour before, and I don't know how ANYONE stands it |
| 18:41.09 | unum | I wish we could hire someone to write tests |
| 18:41.17 | Migs | I personally refuse to do that |
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| 18:42.18 | unum | I moved from layton because I didn't want to drive to salt lake or work at the air force base |
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| 18:42.53 | aeryndunham | good afternoon |
| 18:43.35 | frostyfrog | Hello aeryndunham :) |
| 18:44.19 | frostyfrog | Man, I love clustered transcoding :D |
| 18:46.13 | manithree | Migs: The fare discounts for FarePay seem to be permanent. They expire at the end of every year, but so far, they've always been renewed. |
| 18:51.44 | aeryndunham | might have a lead on a job! Yay! |
| 18:51.52 | jholtom | congratulations |
| 19:05.17 | frostyfrog | It's not at burger king, is it? |
| 19:05.19 | frostyfrog | ducks. |
| 19:11.27 | aeryndunham | haha no |
| 19:12.04 | aeryndunham | someone who I used to email a lot when I was on ships, she works at Carnival HQ and she wants me for some kind of IT Business Analyst thing |
| 19:21.37 | frostyfrog | Ah, nice! |
| 19:21.42 | frostyfrog | Good luck! :D |
| 19:37.03 | spangborn | Free Jazz tickets from work. That's cool. |
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| 20:10.45 | romanovic | wow, I-15 NB closed in Draper |
| 20:11.08 | romanovic | http://www.ksl.com/?sid=43652176&nid=148&title=1-dead-in-multiple-vehicle-crash-i-15-northbound-closed-at-draper |
| 20:15.50 | beelzebob | Headline: 1 dead in multiple vehicle crash; I-15 northbound closed at Draper |
| 20:16.00 | beelzebob | first comment: "I hope everyone is okay. " |
| 20:16.01 | beelzebob | :( |
| 20:21.18 | frostyfrog | Well, one person isn't :( |
| 20:21.45 | jlp_znc | why do people comment without even reading the headline? |
| 20:21.51 | jlp_znc | oh, wait, it's ksl. never mind. |
| 20:22.34 | frostyfrog | read the headline, I swear! |
| 20:22.48 | frostyfrog | Well, kinda. |
| 20:22.54 | frostyfrog | I read the &title= part |
| 20:27.13 | romanovic | I refuse to participate in KSL comments until they implement something like http://www.niemanlab.org/2017/03/this-site-is-taking-the-edge-off-rant-mode-by-making-readers-pass-a-quiz-before-commenting/ |
| 20:28.42 | jholtom | oh ksl |
| 20:39.01 | manithree | I refuse to participate in KSL comments. FTFY |
| 20:43.22 | TodPunk | pro tip: never read the comments |
| 20:43.31 | TodPunk | let alone write any |
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| 21:01.55 | jlp_znc | https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*svB6IdC9DRDcVHTNkW8SsA.png |
| 21:19.32 | levi | News site comments are the worst, right next to YouTube comments. |
| 21:36.07 | unum | schneier just came out with a new comments policy |
| 21:36.14 | unum | he has someone who works part time to delete them |
| 22:22.04 | aeryndunham | anyone ever have any pet gerbils? |
| 22:22.49 | programmerq | as a kid we had some |
| 22:22.59 | programmerq | they got boring really fast. one of them lived to be like 7 or 8 |
| 22:23.20 | aeryndunham | wow |
| 22:23.25 | programmerq | not typical |
| 22:23.28 | aeryndunham | Yeah |
| 22:23.37 | programmerq | they were from the same litter. one lived a normal lifespan |
| 22:23.58 | aeryndunham | My googling indicates that a pair of gerbils could be a really nice, sociable, relatively low-maintenance pet |
| 22:23.58 | programmerq | this other one had obvious medical issues. looked like it was really painful to walk the last year or two |
| 22:24.17 | programmerq | looked like she had some sort of humpback thing going on |
| 22:24.31 | aeryndunham | as much as I desperately want a cat or a dog I've never taken care of an animal really so I feel like I should start with something smaller |
| 22:27.10 | jlp_znc | cats will pretty much take care of themselves, so long as you feed them, make sure they have water, and keep the litter box clean. |
| 22:27.31 | jlp_znc | dogs, on the other hand, want to actually get to know you and be your friend. that can be difficult for some people. :-) |
| 22:28.49 | jlp_znc | https://goo.gl/photos/LFLbAVReqU3i7UYe7 <- typical dog |
| 22:29.43 | frostyfrog | cats are better >_> #HeavilyBiasedOpinion |
| 22:29.52 | aeryndunham | I think that I would enjoy both a cat or a dog, I just... I'm not /sure/? if that makes sense? whereas we always had little critters growing up and I always enjoyed them |
| 22:30.35 | programmerq | I was a cat person until I got a dog |
| 22:31.11 | frostyfrog | is deathly afraid of dogs. |
| 22:31.41 | programmerq | my dog will turn 1 in May. she'll probably still be relatively high energy until she's 2. |
| 22:31.57 | programmerq | we send her to doggy daycare a few times a week. she comes home super tired and socialized. |
| 22:32.16 | programmerq | I wonder how much she weighs now. |
| 22:32.19 | programmerq | goes to measure. |
| 22:33.24 | jlp_znc | https://goo.gl/photos/JvsRHaN3ptcZsD7v8 <- same dog |
| 22:34.12 | frostyfrog | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCsvDz761Ho >_> |
| 22:34.17 | programmerq | 64.4 lbs |
| 22:35.20 | spangborn | The hat is superb |
| 22:35.51 | jlp_znc | https://goo.gl/photos/Y9Cejj1awqFea6Fj9 <- typical cat |
| 22:37.42 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠both are good choices. dogs take more attention and work, imo. granted my dog experience is limited to this ONE dog. |
| 22:38.21 | programmerq | I understand that once they're no longer puppies, they can be trusted to roam the house at all times of the day/night and be taught to stay in the yard and that sort of thing. |
| 22:38.37 | jlp_znc | ha |
| 22:38.40 | jlp_znc | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:39.12 | jlp_znc | I can't trust my one dog to be out of human sight for more than five seconds or he will be scaling the counter in the kitchen looking for something to nosh on. |
| 22:39.31 | jlp_znc | (not the dog in the pics) |
| 22:39.47 | jlp_znc | of course, I have no idea what the cats do when we are not home. |
| 22:40.44 | jlp_znc | this one -> https://goo.gl/photos/rmobnegXc53ySau66 |
| 22:40.56 | jlp_znc | he looks so quiet and peaceful, napping there in the chair. |
| 22:41.14 | jlp_znc | (this was in a hotel room, we do not own that ugly chair) |
| 22:43.15 | jlp_znc | https://goo.gl/photos/aS7csx4byE6j6qw38 |
| 22:43.39 | jlp_znc | these two have a habit of wrestling as soon as your back is turned. |
| 22:43.59 | jlp_znc | then when you turn back and look, they stop and look at you like they're saying "what?" |
| 22:44.04 | spangborn | I'm sure he's just planning his next round of shenanigans |
| 22:44.10 | jlp_znc | no doubt |
| 22:45.37 | jlp_znc | other dog helps me "work" https://goo.gl/photos/j1KdHA51cV7zb9DJ8 |
| 22:56.32 | TodPunk | unfortunately, frostyfrog probably can't exist at my house =c( |
| 22:56.48 | jlp_znc | not if he's afraid of dogs |
| 22:57.10 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 23:08.33 | frostyfrog | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm2IGrvXDEo |
| 23:09.07 | frostyfrog | I found that one more enjoyable to watch than this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TX1X_EglSPE&t=288s |
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