IRC log for #utah on 20170224

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16:49.41youtahMORNING!
16:49.44youtahYou all missed me
16:49.46youtahdidn't ya
16:50.22youtahputs on The Beatles Help! on his Spotify queue.
16:51.42aeryndunhamHi!
16:52.35jholtomgood morning
16:52.49unumgood morning
16:54.04youtahHey, my co worker and I are going to give a mini crash course into to Git. Anyone know of some good GIT Cheatsheets they'd recommend/prefer? I've found a lot Googling, but, they seem just, meh.
16:55.00youtahI'd like to print them out as handouts
16:55.35youtahI like this one https://services.github.com/on-demand/downloads/github-git-cheat-sheet.pdf
16:55.54youtahhowever I am looking for something that might include some more common work flows
16:56.31jlp_znchttps://education.github.com/git-cheat-sheet-education.pdf
16:57.09youtahI like this one too, but it's more herokuy than I would like http://resources.docs.salesforce.com/rel1/doc/en-us/static/pdf/SF_Git_cheatsheet_web.pdf
16:57.59youtahoh, nice jlp_znc
16:58.00jlp_zncmight find something here: http://cheatsheets.org/
16:58.21youtahMaybe I'll stick with one of these and we can give examples of workflows on the boards
16:58.53jholtomtheres the git-flow presentations
16:59.19unumthe one I always have to look up is pushing to a new bare repo
16:59.28jholtomhttps://datasift.github.io/gitflow/IntroducingGitFlow.html
17:00.43youtahnice
17:01.03youtahI think this should work
17:02.39frostyfrogI haven't used cheatsheets, but I find that try.github.com works fairly well as a "quick intro"
17:03.17jlp_znchttp://gitref.org/ has some workflows (but it's not really in a format that would make a good handout)
17:05.20youtahSo jlp_znc you headed up to the Swap Meet this Saturday?
17:05.53jlp_zncI hadn't planned on it.  I had figured I had already missed it.
17:05.56youtahcalls all hams in the channel to remind of them huge http://utahvhfs.org/ swap meet this weekend.
17:06.22youtahbtw
17:06.33youtahwinds took down some key parts of the Intertie
17:06.36jlp_zncwhere is it this year?  still at the fairgrounds?
17:06.39youtahyeah
17:06.46youtahDavis County Fairgounds in Farmington
17:07.30youtahthey had photos of it at the last UARC meeting, the entire tower came down.
17:07.53youtahdestroyed all the antennas and coax
17:08.12jlp_zncwow
17:08.21youtahTHe one on Frisco Peak
17:08.57frostyfrogOuch
17:09.21frostyfrogBTW, your camera's got it's eyes closed ;p
17:09.36jimareally needs to get around to getting a ham license
17:09.49youtahyeah, that last storm covered the lens
17:09.58youtahThe mesh system survived the winter it seems
17:10.05youtahwe were nervous about it's first winter
17:10.14youtahso we did something right
17:10.20frostyfrogYup :)
17:10.29jimano kidding...can't really get up there easily during winter, can you?
17:10.31frostyfrogwill try taking the class/exam on the 18th.
17:11.06youtahnope lol
17:11.16youtahoh, if you guys are interested in a REALLY GOOD class
17:11.31youtahwhere they actually teach you, not just hash out the question pool
17:11.41youtahbut actuall go into the concepts and how they're applied
17:12.20youtahhttps://secure2.orem.org/ps/applicationCert.aspx << Noji KN0JI is teaching a Technicians Class license May 23rd in Orem
17:12.29youtahThe General Class one starts March 14th
17:12.43frostyfrogAh--- er-- hmm...
17:13.16youtahrather than "this is $x" it's more of a $x matters because it allows us to do $y because it works this way....
17:13.31frostyfrogI was going to do the one that (I think) Steve Kd7bbc was doing. Dunno how it'd compare...
17:13.55youtahSteve NV7V is KD7BBC's Father in Law.... they do the same one
17:14.14youtahthat class is more of a "right before the storm" hammer out the question pool right before you take the test.
17:14.33youtah(I've sat through both)
17:14.42frostyfrogOh dear x3
17:15.17frostyfrogI'll try it, but I'd be interested in sitting through Noji's class, then.
17:16.07youtahNoji is also a VE for the testing session with Steve NV7V and Richard BBC. (I am also a VE for that testing session)
17:16.10frostyfrog"mailed-by:    kd7bbc" Hmm... explains my confusion on the callsign.
17:16.19youtahyeah, he manages the site
17:16.32youtahhe is also the founder of hamstudy.org
17:17.17frostyfrogAh, Russ' nephew. :)
17:19.33frostyfrogLet's see... My plan at least is to go to UVARC's meeting this next week, then go to Steve's class. If I hadn't gotten on the roster already, I might try taking Noji's class as my first one. Still considering it though.
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17:30.02youtahThere are two kinds of countries in the world: those that use metric and those that have been to the moon.
17:31.08frostyfrogxD
17:32.56frostyfrogI like the cross statistics in that.
17:33.07youtahlol
17:33.18youtahTrolling level 10000
17:33.44TodPunkunless you believe the conspiracy theorists
17:33.54youtahdepends on which ones
17:34.21youtahI believe the Bacon is healthy for you conspiracy theorists
17:34.31youtah~bacon
17:34.33infobothmm... bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick...
17:35.43jlp_znc"that McBeal chick"?  wow, that's dated.
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17:39.00spangbornIs that even a conspiracy theory?
17:39.07spangbornSounds like fact to me
17:40.13youtah+1
17:50.56youtahiirc Fahrenheit is actually based off of degrees and radians of a circle
17:51.55youtahwith the base (0F) being a brine
17:51.58jlp_zncFahrenheit is based off of zero being the coldest you can get water by adding salt to it and 100 was supposed to be normal human body temperature (but Fahrenheit had a fever the day he set the scale).
17:53.05youtahah yes
17:53.18youtahwhich the boiling point is 180 degrees higher than the freezing point
17:53.23jlp_zncCelcius (or, as it used to be called, centigrade) was based on zero being the temperature at which pure water freezes and 100 being the temperature at which it boils at 1 atmosphere of pressure.
17:54.48youtahI remember watching a video explaining the Fah in comparison to a circle
17:55.20youtahand how it could be used to quickly do complex calculations with trigonometry
17:55.25spangbornWhat is beer based off of?
17:55.27spangbornI like beer
17:55.47youtahthey use the tithing scale
17:55.56youtahthe higher percentage of tithes the better the beer
17:55.58jlp_zncspangborn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i5k4I1AOEI
17:56.24youtah3%<10% tithing, 3%<10% beer
17:56.29spangbornlol
17:58.55youtahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgrXd0NM2y8
17:58.58youtahAh ha!!!
17:59.00youtahHere it is
18:00.56youtahthis isn't it
18:01.06youtahbut it touches on the degrees and radians
18:08.48jlp_zncinteresting
18:12.40youtahCheck out the update to the kick starter I backed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjrfjpTdQ00&feature=youtu.be
18:15.35frostyfrogaeryndunham: So, um... How's that WoW subscription going for you?
18:17.08aeryndunhamlol I love WoW
18:19.30RyanEhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/opinion/ten-meter-tower.html?_r=1
18:19.35spangbornsilently judges
18:19.36programmerqit came out 13 years ago.
18:19.48programmerqit'll be able to drive soon.
18:20.08youtahwell, I am hosting a StarCraft 2 Party
18:20.13youtahand that's pretty old
18:20.22youtahRemember the Command Center Slide bug?
18:20.34programmerqI never played SC2
18:20.47programmerqin fact, if I am ablo to make it to your party, I'll be buying the game specifically to go.
18:21.07youtahthat was actually SC I that the CC Slide was in
18:21.32aeryndunhamI know it's old, but I love it
18:21.35programmerqhttps://play.spotify.com/user/israel.kendall/playlist/1js2rPNvOkRSFkyI5FnQ6e - this is a list of songs that are now 16 years old and can drive now.
18:21.57programmerqfor the record, I'm not trying to bash the game because of its age-- I just like making people feel old by saying how old things are.
18:22.08programmerqorder of the pheonix came out ten years ago.
18:22.12programmerqfellowship of the ring can drive
18:22.34spangbornWoW is like crack
18:22.39spangbornI watched it destroy a college roommate's life
18:23.06RyanEChoplifter on the Apple ][ could be the president.
18:23.49aeryndunhamI'm not very GOOD at WoW, so it was tough for it to destroy my life :p
18:23.52RyanEi.e. it's old enough to be the president.
18:24.03RyanEand it'd probably be better than Trump, but that's a different story.
18:26.43jlp_zncChoplifter!
18:27.02youtahhttp://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bugs#Command_Center_Slide
18:27.55jlp_znchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgkhC0XGFjs
18:28.14RyanEman, that game was impossible.
18:28.17RyanEbut fun.
18:29.31youtahApple II was amazing
18:29.33youtahit had color
18:29.50RyanEyeah, 4 of them at the same time!
18:30.12RyanEassuming you were hooking it to a TV.  Monitor, you got green or amber.  Still color, but less amazing.
18:30.15youtahRemember Battle Zone?
18:30.19youtahon the Apple II?
18:30.20RyanEoh yeah.
18:30.25youtahha ha
18:30.44RyanEFirst game I played on the Apple ][ that I didn't have to type in first was probably Lemonade Stand.
18:30.49jlp_znchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWrYMaXE0fo  <- Choplifter on various platforms
18:31.03youtahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_lRfm4IZ0c
18:31.42youtahor Shuffle Puck Cafe
18:31.46youtahon the original mac https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di8P3skzq2A
18:35.46youtahThe other one that freaked me out was Uninvited
18:35.47youtahhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsOwfcKvSV0
18:35.53RyanEone of the better ones eventually was Lode Runner.
18:36.07youtahOH
18:36.11RyanEand Karateka
18:36.13youtahI found my Chex Quest CD
18:37.46jsmithRyanE: Definitely.... Lode Runner was the best!
18:51.00unumhttp://s3.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/5/0/2/599502_v2.jpg
18:55.51jholtomHaha
18:55.56youtahlol
18:56.05jholtomThere's this one company that will email me about items I've viewed
18:56.09jholtomIt's obnoxious
19:21.02aeryndunhamI'm listening to classical music as I study. nerd.
19:30.48jimaRyanE: i remember the lemonade stand one.
19:35.00spangbornyoutah: Just found out another friend who was in the CS program at the U jumped ship
19:35.07spangbornDoing a CS minor instead
19:35.24aeryndunhamI think that if I had majored CS like I originally wanted to I wouldn't have made it
19:36.14spangbornBoth youtah and I ended up going the same route at the U with CS
19:36.21jholtomaeryndunham: Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody #2
19:36.38aeryndunhamjholtom: I shall give that a listen
19:36.48aeryndunhamDvorak's New World Symphony just ended
19:40.13aeryndunhamugh python is turning my brain to mush so I think I need to stop for today
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20:02.06romanovicthat's understandable. I mean python is both powerful and a great learning language at the same time, but better to take a break than burn out on the language before doing some awesome things with it
20:02.38romanovichopes he will get the chance to work on some python at his new job
20:03.55TodPunkI find python really easy to read but very hard to follow because people try to get very clever.  This is, to me anyway, because of the perl people that went to it.
20:04.15unumcleverness in code is the worst
20:04.16spangbornI miss writing Python
20:04.31unumI have to give python credit for trying to stop that
20:04.34spangbornOnly if you're not as clever
20:04.49unumI should say unessicary cleverness is the worst
20:14.13RyanEjima: you remember that Lemonade Stand music?
20:14.35RyanEI don't remember what it is called, but I can still remember it.  classical.
20:19.05youtahspangborn, oh? Do I know h(im|er)
20:19.22spangbornNope, barista at a coffee shop near work I've known for a while
20:19.39spangbornShe's going into Linguistics as a major and a CS minor, wants to do NLP and machine learning
20:20.11spangbornHad a discussion with her about how weird Python is compared to Java and C#, syntactically
20:20.26spangbornI personally love Python
20:20.34youtahditto
20:20.42youtahworking in it right now actually
20:21.04spangbornI'll even use it instead of Bash for scripting stuff
20:23.14jlp_zncPython has kind of grown on me.  I've been writing newer tools with it instead of Perl lately.
20:23.50jlp_zncSometimes the syntax feels ... stilted, but in general it's easy to write clean code.  Easier to write clean code than ugly code.
20:24.13jlp_zncI probaby don't do things in the most "efficient" way, but it works for me.
20:24.37youtahI have found I love paramiko
20:24.46youtahvs pxssh
20:24.50spangbornIt takes a while to get into a "Python rhythm"
20:24.55youtahpxssh is part of pexpect
20:26.50youtahit's great for simple quick and dirty scripts
20:26.59youtahbut if you want to do something robust...
20:27.11youtahparamiko is definately the better route IMHO
20:28.49jlp_zncI've been doing some things with the github library (PyGithub) lately.  It is pretty usable.
20:29.18jlp_zncI have a script that tags new revisions with version numbers and one that extracts commit logs to generate release notes.
20:30.51youtahOh
20:30.57youtahthat is one thing I have been wanting to look into
20:31.12youtahAutomagically incrementing version numbers for a python based project
20:31.28youtahso I dont have to update config files manually each time we make an update
20:31.34youtahthere's got to be a better, easier way
20:31.40youtahI just haven't had the time to Google it
20:32.48jlp_zncIt's pretty straight forward once you understand the github API.
20:33.15youtahAnyone wanting or needing a Keybase.io invite?
20:33.38jlp_zncI did write some Perl just the other day to extract some timestamps from a collection of files and identify if they had been acked or not (and how long it took for the acks to show up).
20:33.44youtahI have 8 invited remaining...
20:33.56jlp_zncwhat's Keybase.io?
20:34.04youtahPGP/GPG on steroids
20:34.11youtahwith a purdy user interface
20:34.16programmerqI need to rotate my old key out.
20:34.33youtahThink Dropbox meets PGP meets Twitter meets Chat meets Usability
20:34.50youtahI first picked it up over a year ago
20:34.55jlp_zncis it compatible with PGP?
20:34.56youtahand it was basically only command line then
20:34.59youtahYup
20:35.02youtaheven pulls from your keyring
20:35.44youtahbut you and I can have secure chats
20:35.47youtahand share files, etc
20:35.58programmerqI want to mess around with an sks server
20:36.17youtahcreates a temporary mount location (like Veracrypt/Truecrypt) but using our keys and signs the files like PGP
20:36.41youtahso only you and whoever else you've shared that folder with, can access those files
20:36.54jlp_zncHmmm, username "jlp" is unavailable.  Guess I'll never use it. :-)
20:37.03youtahand you "Follow" people, which is essentially signing and accepting their key in your key ring
20:37.16youtahand you can also verify domains, sites, accounts, etc
20:38.28youtahsimilair to DKIM DNS records
20:38.53youtahexcept you paste a hash to your FB, Twitter or a file on your website... and then it crawls it to verify it's your account
20:44.22spangbornyoutah: I'd take an invite
20:45.01youtahkk
20:45.08youtahpm me which address you want me to send it to
20:45.11youtahhttp://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-09-08
20:45.29jlp_zncI was able to join without an invite
20:45.43spangbornYou were probably already on the wait list?
20:46.02jlp_zncnot that I know of... never heard of it before today.
20:46.26youtahyeah
20:46.32youtahI wonder if they opened it up
20:46.42youtahand the invites are just come remnant from the earlier days
20:47.00jlp_zncHeh, download for macOS:  step 1: buy an apple computer
20:47.11youtahlol
20:47.13youtahbtw
20:47.17youtahthere are multiple configurations
20:47.32youtahusing Existing PGP/GPG keys is the most advanced route
20:47.47youtahadds a lot of complexities.
20:47.48jlp_zncseemed fairly straightforward to import my public key.
20:48.01spangbornbuys another Apple computer
20:48.07youtahyeah, it yanks it from your keyring if you have cleopatra, whatever, running
20:48.07jimaRyanE: i don't, sorry.
20:48.38spangbornWork internet so slow today
20:48.55jimaspangborn: my wife did that this week...actually the first in the house in quite some time (iOS devices aside)
20:49.01spangbornBut I'm also streaming Spotify and it's a throttled guest network
20:49.15spangbornjima: I'd go for one of the new MBPs
20:49.21spangbornIf they weren't so overpriced
20:49.42jimashe borrowed one and fell in love...but not with the price tag. she picked up a mini to try to make up for it.
20:49.58spangbornMac Mini?
20:50.00jimayes
20:50.02spangbornNice :)
20:50.12spangbornI'm still using my rMBP as a desktop machine with a dock
20:50.23jimaslightly older one, but enough to figure out if she wants to shell out $1000-ish for the one she'd really want
20:50.27spangbornI think I prefer it to having to manage multiple machines like a desktop and laptop
20:50.27jlp_zncI don't know about the new MBP.
20:50.42jlp_znconly four USB-C ports... no mag-safe connector.
20:51.15jlp_zncthe mag-safe power connector is the thing I like most about the MBP.
20:51.47spangbornWith a decent desktop dock and a decent travel dock, I don't think I'd mind
20:53.34youtahlol
20:53.38youtahI have 23 invited now!
20:53.40youtahinvites
20:53.46youtahanc it says spangborn accepted
20:53.49jlp_znc(I have two big dogs at home)
20:54.01spangbornSame
20:54.20romanovichttps://techcrunch.com/2017/02/23/fcc-weakens-net-neutrality-rule-in-a-prelude-to-larger-rollbacks/
20:54.36youtahhttps://keybase.io/youtah
20:55.40jlp_znchttps://keybase.io/jlp78
20:57.06spangbornverifies a thousand things
20:57.13youtahlol
20:57.39spangbornGonna have to create a PGP key
20:58.05jlp_znclooks like keybase can handle that for you
20:58.08youtahit allows you to use their own
20:58.35spangbornOh cool
20:58.37youtahdepending on how you set it up... you will create your own passphrase for it
20:58.47spangbornI should install the keybase client on at least one of my Linux boxes too
21:00.35spangbornI finally got my GoDaddy fraud fiasco sorted
21:00.46spangbornAnd GoDaddy banned my account :)
21:01.17youtahI see spangborn here https://www.reddit.com/r/KeybaseProofs/
21:03.19spangbornSomebody bruteforced an old weak password on a GoDaddy account with no services attached to it, used the PayPal authorization to order a $280 dedicated server
21:03.19youtahand I am right above him!
21:03.19spangbornOh and changed my e-mail associated with the account
21:03.19spangbornSo I got to jump through the hoops of sending GoDaddy government ID to verify myself to get my account back
21:03.19spangbornAnd then they banned it. lol
21:03.20spangbornWhich is fine, I have no interest in giving them any money
21:03.21spangbornAt least this way the account can't be used for fraud
21:03.28jlp_zncHmmm, I don't have reddit, facebook, etc.
21:09.38youtahKind of interesting though, right?
21:10.16jlp_zncI'm wondering how they make money.
21:10.58youtahlol
21:11.02youtahselling public keys
21:11.04youtahwho knows
21:12.38youtahBasically, I will continue to use GPG/PGP
21:12.55youtahhowever, this is a nice tool, imo, for "verifying" accounts and services as yours
21:12.57jlp_znchttps://shattered.it/
21:13.40spangbornI'm having a blast because one of our security vendors had an outage all day today
21:13.46spangbornand that prevented 35K users from logging in
21:13.58youtahhuh
21:16.48jima\o/
21:16.59spangbornEver use a hard/soft token?
21:17.04jholtomyes.
21:17.08jholtomI hated them
21:17.19spangbornImagine trying to login if the backend to verify the codes is down
21:17.24jholtomlol
21:17.26jholtomI've had that one happen
21:17.28jholtomhate those days.
21:17.41spangbornThe best part is, it kills our remote access for employees, too
21:18.00spangbornWe also use CyberArk for accessing production servers, and it's dependent on this token service too
21:18.06jimawooo!
21:18.15spangbornSo good luck turning off said token service in production without that
21:18.26jimaugh
21:18.49spangbornAlso good luck accessing your work machine remotely if you're getting paged at 7AM for it like I was
21:18.58spangbornGood times
21:19.15youtahlol
21:19.15jimai'm glad my mistakes can only affect 200,000 people
21:19.18jimaerr, wait
21:19.19youtahread the header in #git
21:19.37youtaherrr "Topic"
21:19.59spangbornThe best part is after it was disabled, we had angry customers asking why they weren't getting challenged for tokens
21:20.00jimayeah, i already translated header -> topic
21:20.16spangbornVery rich, very angry customers
21:20.16jimaspangborn: "ok, let me re-enable you..."
21:20.29jima"HEY! IT'S NOT WORKING!" "well..."
21:20.37spangbornYour account is 100% secure now
21:20.42spangbornNOBODY can log into it
21:21.09spangbornSecurity is a fun field to work in
21:21.13spangbornYou can never make everybody happy
21:21.25spangbornPeople are either pissed that they're being challenged, or they're pissed that they're not being challenged enough
21:22.04jimai have zero desire to work in security (even though i effectively do)
21:22.22spangbornIt's fun (legitimately) for other reasons
21:22.33spangbornI get to brag that I'm protecting $4T of people's money
21:22.53jlp_znc"protecting"
21:23.00jimai don't do anything that interesting
21:23.06spangbornAnd seeing people opt-in to new 2FA stuff is always fun
21:23.22spangbornI was one of 3 developers who built our newest 2FA experience
21:23.56spangbornThat's kind of a fun thing to put on a resume
21:24.49jimaputs "ipv6" on his resume and calls it a day
21:25.02spangbornputs "anti-ipv6" on his resume
21:25.23jimahugs spangborn and cancels each other out
21:25.27spangbornhahaha
21:25.33spangbornI don't really care either way. :)
21:25.40spangbornAs long as the network works, it's good with me
21:25.50jimai care either way. a lot.
21:26.31jimai've watched a few rounds of painful rfc1918 integrations from M&A...ipv6 in the enterprise is overdue.
21:27.18TodPunkipv6 in general is overdue
21:27.33spangbornNAT is just fine *dog in house on fire meme*
21:28.15jimaTodPunk: concur
21:28.27jimain the enterprise is ESPECIALLY overdue
21:33.29frostyfrogpainful integrations? o.o
21:33.59frostyfrogas in, more than 16,777,214 IPs?
21:34.55jlp_znc\int{\frac{(1+x^{2})dx}{(1-x^{2})\sqrt{1+x^{4}}}}
21:36.10frostyfrogpulls out latex.
21:36.21frostyfrogs/latex/LaTeX/
21:37.29jlp_zncttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6647867/integral.png
21:37.58jlp_zncugh, stick an h in front of that
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21:40.59youtah"The Pruitt Emails: E.P.A. Chief Was Arm in Arm With Industry" <<< NYTimes ... is anyone surprised?
21:41.47youtahhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/22/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
21:43.29jimafrostyfrog: one of our last acquisitions requested we "allocate" them 32.4% of 10.0.0.0/8
21:44.05jimayou know, because the rest of the massive company that just bought them totally wasn't using any of that
21:46.02jima(caveat: i'm the one person in charge of coordinating rfc1918 usage between our 50+ business units.)
21:47.34jlp_zncdo they have five million hosts?
21:48.14youtahThe whitehouse just barred a lot of Press from the Press conference, and let in breitbart
21:48.28youtahCNN, NYTimes, etc... all blocked
21:48.50jlp_zncwell, they don't want any fake news getting out
21:49.28jlp_zncif you wanted to know the solution that integral, http://bit.ly/2lEqvLL
21:54.40youtahHey jlp_znc ..... want to buy me an FT DX 9000MP?
21:54.51jlp_zncno?
21:56.03youtahokay okay okay
21:56.07youtahget me this one instead? http://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/0900.html
21:56.22youtahThe 9000D?
21:57.13youtahhttp://www.universal-radio.com/catalog/hamhf/9000d.jpg
21:58.21jlp_zncnice looking radio, but I don't think so.
21:58.26youtah:(
21:58.33youtahit's less than $10k though!
21:59.01jlp_zncyeah, but then you'll need a power supply and antenna tuner and probably a big amp or something.
21:59.13youtahit's 400 watts barefoot
21:59.16youtahhas a tuner built in
21:59.21youtah4 antenna selects/outputs
21:59.26youtahand a 5th antenna RX only
21:59.41youtahand comes with a built in AC power supply
21:59.45jlp_zncbut I guess if you're dropping $9k on a radio, spending a few hundred more for a power supply, mic, etc. is just chump change.
22:00.00jlp_zncoh, AC power supply is built in?
22:00.05youtahRoger
22:00.05jlp_zncwell, that changes everything!
22:00.07youtahlol
22:00.38jlp_znc"Microphone _not_ included."
22:01.05youtahOh
22:01.09youtahit is an external power supply
22:01.13youtahbut it comes with it
22:01.32youtahTransceiver Power Supply: External, included, Transceiver Input Voltage: 90–264 Vac, Transceiver Maximum Current: 92.0 A
22:01.50jlp_zncwoo, 92 Amps!
22:01.57youtahlol
22:01.58jlp_zncholy cats!
22:02.06youtah"we're going to need mroe solar panels"
22:02.20youtahOnly 0.030-60.000 MHz
22:02.26jlp_zncbe a good idea to run a 220 circuit to drive it... only 46 Amps, then
22:02.29youtahI have been enjoying SSB and CW on 2 meters
22:02.54jlp_zncdid you learn code?  or are you using a computer to handle it for you?
22:03.00youtahyes
22:03.03youtahI have three keys
22:03.05youtahtwo on loan
22:03.07jlp_zncnice!
22:03.11youtahand have been slowly learning
22:03.20jlp_znckey or paddle?
22:03.30youtahGordon and a couple of other guys, every Monday night at 9:30pm, we go to USB/CW 144.255
22:03.36youtahand do CW practice
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22:32.41frostyfrog32.4% of 10.0.0.0/8 is a lot of IPs ._.
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23:12.54frostyfrog144.255, I'lll have to try listening in. :P
23:13.07frostyfrogDon't know much morse though.
23:13.15jlp_zncgot a radio that will do USB?
23:13.20frostyfrogI do, however, know this! .... ..
23:13.35jlp_zncit won't be an FM modulation.
23:13.45frostyfrog... drats...
23:14.08frostyfrogwonders what the beeps are then that they've heard on the repeater.
23:14.53jlp_zncoh, that's morse, but it's not CW
23:15.22frostyfrogMy bad then. I thought they were one and the same x3
23:15.35jlp_zncCW == continuous wave.  either there is a signal or there isn't.  your FM radio might be able to decode it, but it depends on the radio.
23:16.09jlp_zncmy Kenwood TH-F6A actually has a USB/LSB and AM mode as well as the FM.  it can't transmit it, but it can receive it.
23:16.10frostyfrogUniden BC75XLT. It's a nice little scanner.
23:19.04jlp_znchmmm, looks like it can receive CB, which is an AM signal.
23:19.04jlp_zncit might work.  give it a try.
23:22.05frostyfrogcb, police, emergency signals, ham, the airplanes over my house... it appears that it can't get the airport from my house though :p
23:22.32frostyfrogoh, KSL too. though it was cool that they stand over the air.
23:23.34frostyfrogthought*
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23:25.17jlp_zncI don't see any way in the manual to tell it what mode you want
23:28.10jlp_zncI suspect they will be using A1A mode (CW)
23:28.37jlp_zncyou might be able to hear something, but I don't know what your receiver will decode it as.  might just be louder static when you open the squelch.
23:36.13eightyeightlearned today over lunch, and with a couple conversations with coworkers, about the science of brewing a good cup of coffee
23:36.18eightyeightreally quite interesting
23:56.04TodPunkoh?  Do tell what their opinion of that is.
23:56.16TodPunkis always up to trying things with new info
23:58.34spangbornHey that production issue is fixed now, woo
23:58.41spangbornNo more people yelling at me

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