| 00:14.22 | youtah | " |
| 00:19.53 | spangborn | Thanks for that contribution, youtah |
| 00:21.43 | spangborn | jima's followers are bleeding into mine now |
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| 14:25.27 | jima | spangborn: oh? |
| 14:25.35 | jima | what did i do now? |
| 14:26.24 | jima | good grief, i oversleep by 40 minutes and i'm still the first person into the team chat |
| 14:42.20 | spangborn | Haha. Someone from your followers followed me. |
| 14:52.01 | jima | who now? |
| 14:53.02 | jima | oh her |
| 14:53.36 | jima | i don't actually know her, i started following her because a couple of networking types i follow did |
| 14:53.50 | jima | had a nice conversation with her via DM about hiring biases though |
| 15:38.57 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 16:33.10 | spangborn | She seems pretty cool |
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| 16:37.45 | youtah | ~nachos |
| 16:37.48 | infobot | schweet. |
| 16:37.52 | youtah | ~youtah |
| 16:37.52 | infobot | Mmmm Bacon |
| 16:43.24 | spangborn | ~napolean youtah |
| 16:43.32 | spangborn | Fine then |
| 16:43.36 | spangborn | ~lart youtah |
| 16:43.36 | infobot | puts youtah into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of youtah's hair of |
| 16:43.43 | spangborn | Hair of what? |
| 16:45.59 | youtah | the back? |
| 16:46.02 | youtah | the legs? |
| 16:46.12 | youtah | of the chest? |
| 16:50.38 | jima | off*? |
| 17:07.32 | spangborn | Yes |
| 17:07.41 | youtah | Maybe |
| 17:07.53 | youtah | btw, someone from the Onion News Network followed me on Twitter |
| 17:07.57 | youtah | screams |
| 17:08.09 | jima | i saw that facebook post, yeah |
| 17:08.11 | jima | that's awesome |
| 17:08.27 | youtah | Interesting |
| 17:08.54 | youtah | If you get a 1 years all access subscription to the New York Times ($5/week) you get a free Spotify account |
| 17:09.00 | youtah | That's an interesting bundle |
| 17:10.46 | jima | dangit, another rousing game of "where the heck is this switch?" |
| 17:14.59 | Migs | not worth it still |
| 17:15.21 | youtah | ~twss |
| 17:15.22 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 17:15.25 | youtah | ? :( |
| 17:22.30 | jima | plugs in edgeswitch |
| 17:25.49 | youtah | come unplugged? |
| 17:26.07 | jima | no, just pulled it out of the box |
| 17:28.14 | spangborn | If you want to destroy my edgeswitch |
| 17:28.20 | spangborn | Hold this Cat5 as I walk away |
| 17:29.05 | jima | no need to destroy it, looks like a DOA |
| 17:29.28 | youtah | Watch my network unravel |
| 17:29.35 | youtah | it'll soon be naked |
| 17:29.45 | spangborn | I'm glad someone caught that reference |
| 17:29.59 | youtah | I love me some Weezer |
| 17:30.29 | jima | i know weezer, i know undone :-P |
| 17:30.54 | jima | i'm more pissed off that i have a dead switch and need to deal with the damned RMA process |
| 17:31.03 | spangborn | Don't worry, be happy |
| 17:31.42 | jima | going from weezer to bobby mcferrin? really? |
| 17:32.14 | youtah | lol |
| 17:32.21 | youtah | if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life |
| 18:28.14 | TodPunk | ok, here's an odd thing to me in a recruiter email: Notes: W2 rates only(No corp to corp) |
| 18:28.22 | TodPunk | What on earth does that mean? |
| 18:28.41 | TodPunk | We want to pay you like you're a salary worker even though you're on a 6 month contract? |
| 18:28.53 | jlp_znc | Â yep |
| 18:29.27 | jlp_znc | but it also means they will handle your social security taxing, so you don't have to pay self employment tax like you would on a 1099. |
| 18:30.10 | TodPunk | would never sign up for contracting without a significant increase in pay |
| 18:30.38 | TodPunk | I can pay an accountant to do my taxes really cheaply, I can't pay my mortgage without work |
| 18:35.16 | jlp_znc | also means they want to deal directly with the worker, not with an agency. |
| 18:36.32 | jlp_znc | when I worked on a contract for Cadence, I actually was a W-2 employee of Vado Inc, who resold my services to Cadence. Vado handled payroll, tax withholdings, managed our benefits (although we paid for them ourselves). |
| 18:39.52 | unum | http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/02/15/bipartisan-bill-seeks-warrants-police-use-stingray-cell-trackers/97954214/ |
| 18:40.00 | unum | there's some kudos to chaffetz |
| 18:52.57 | unum | and for those who say the federal government can't innovate |
| 18:53.02 | unum | https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/a-rash-of-invisible-fileless-malware-is-infecting-banks-around-the-globe/ |
| 18:53.16 | unum | they're trend setters for malware |
| 18:53.52 | Migs | a rash, huh? |
| 18:54.45 | jima | jlp_znc: i had a similar thing with my last job |
| 18:54.50 | jima | and my current job, i suppose |
| 18:59.47 | unum | for a while I worked for a company that marketed using one name, was legally incorparated under a different name and used a payroll company for employees |
| 19:00.05 | unum | I was never really sure who to say I worked for |
| 19:06.46 | jima | payroll company for the processing, or that actually employed the people working for the other entities? |
| 19:11.02 | jima | for extra fun, the entity that does my payroll/benefits has a terrible reputation locally |
| 19:19.31 | TodPunk | I don't know what payroll/benefits companies have good/bad reputations in the area |
| 19:19.38 | TodPunk | I feel out of the loop now |
| 19:20.11 | jima | this particular entity employs lots of people directly, payroll/benefits is not their core business at all. |
| 19:24.01 | klys | ~seen payroll |
| 19:24.07 | infobot | i haven't seen 'payroll', klys |
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| 19:54.12 | youtah | blahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:54.52 | youtah | people are literally fleeing the US into Canada http://www.reuters.com/news/picture/fleeing-to-canada-from-the-us?articleId=USRTSYU71 |
| 19:55.13 | youtah | Reuters / Tuesday, February 14, 2017 |
| 19:55.13 | youtah | The man had his arms up as he crossed the border. The RCMP officer said he didn't have to do that here, he could put his arms down. REUTERS/Christinne Muschi |
| 19:59.35 | spangborn | Our new 2FA experience rolled out today |
| 19:59.43 | spangborn | I've reset my password 5 times just to use it |
| 20:06.48 | youtah | I factory reset and reconfigure reouters and wireless access points about 40 times a day? Sounds about as annoying as testing 2FA. |
| 20:07.10 | spangborn | It's probably worse, given you have to wait for the SMS |
| 20:07.13 | spangborn | Or e-mail |
| 20:07.23 | spangborn | Or a phone call, if you're over the age of 60 |
| 20:09.38 | youtah | I have to wait for the router to reboot? |
| 20:09.50 | youtah | naw it really isn't that bad |
| 20:10.57 | spangborn | Do these puppies have JTAG? |
| 20:11.10 | spangborn | So you can reset using a compy? |
| 20:11.59 | spangborn | I had to re-hack my chinese security cameras last night because the software update removed my RTSP server :( |
| 20:12.05 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:12.15 | youtah | yeah, I can do all sorts of fun things |
| 20:12.26 | youtah | I need more cameras |
| 20:12.31 | spangborn | I love the default credentials on these devices LOL |
| 20:12.40 | spangborn | Username: root Password: qwer1234 |
| 20:12.41 | youtah | I want to put more up cameras on more mountains |
| 20:12.46 | youtah | LOL |
| 20:13.08 | spangborn | But for $30, it's not terrible |
| 20:13.33 | youtah | I am looking at a 1920x1080 PTZ camera |
| 20:13.36 | spangborn | Easily hackable, FTP/RTSP/HTTP access |
| 20:13.38 | youtah | a newer model |
| 20:13.42 | spangborn | Ah, these are only 720p |
| 20:13.47 | spangborn | Yi Home Camera ;p |
| 20:14.07 | spangborn | Basically a Nest Cam knockoff |
| 20:14.14 | youtah | Oh? |
| 20:14.35 | spangborn | They have a PTZ camera that's like $60 |
| 20:14.46 | spangborn | I dunno if it's any good. I considered buying one of those for kicks |
| 20:14.49 | youtah | I keep getting all of these random FC friend requests |
| 20:14.56 | youtah | they all seem to mostly be legit people |
| 20:15.11 | spangborn | Do they know PhotoJohn |
| 20:15.16 | youtah | lol |
| 20:15.22 | youtah | or TomSparks? |
| 20:15.30 | spangborn | All the spam FB requests I used to get somehow had friends in common with John |
| 20:16.01 | youtah | Looks like a lot of them are more so politically related |
| 20:16.17 | spangborn | I solved that by deleting my Facebook |
| 20:16.35 | youtah | I am tempted |
| 20:16.43 | youtah | at this point it has become so toxic |
| 20:16.50 | spangborn | That was my reasoning. |
| 20:16.55 | spangborn | And the fact that Facebook was stalking me |
| 20:17.06 | youtah | I sold my soul long ago |
| 20:17.08 | spangborn | I went to City Creek Harmons, and it popped up a message "Are you at City Creek Harmons?" |
| 20:17.12 | spangborn | And I was like uh.⦠that's not okay |
| 20:17.35 | spangborn | My phone battery life has improved significantly |
| 20:23.03 | youtah | I did that for a couple of months |
| 20:23.07 | youtah | removed it from my phone |
| 20:23.19 | youtah | until I realized how much I used it to send photos of my kids to family members |
| 20:24.34 | youtah | TodPunk, https://moeiscool.github.io/Shinobi/ |
| 20:26.25 | TodPunk | ok, that looks pretty cool |
| 20:27.01 | youtah | he was just ragging on ZoneMinder for not supporting MP4 yet |
| 20:27.08 | youtah | https://twitter.com/moe_alam/status/831938415348232192 |
| 20:27.12 | TodPunk | zoneminder doesn't support jack squat |
| 20:27.32 | TodPunk | but to be honest, his software doesn't do anything but record, it does no analysis or alarming that I can tell |
| 20:27.46 | TodPunk | =c( |
| 20:27.50 | youtah | I honestly see this as a HUGE market potential |
| 20:27.56 | youtah | right |
| 20:28.03 | TodPunk | I don't support promoting one's software by ragging on open source competitors |
| 20:28.46 | youtah | I think his is non-commercial either though |
| 20:28.51 | youtah | iirc it was open source |
| 20:29.27 | youtah | I read it as, he uses ZoneMinder himself as well and is also frustrated with the lack of support |
| 20:29.38 | TodPunk | I specifically left out whether or not one's software had to be open source or not to earn my ire for the behavior =cP |
| 20:30.21 | youtah | ah |
| 20:30.51 | youtah | make it... make it now TodPunk |
| 20:30.55 | youtah | we needed this yesterday |
| 20:30.59 | TodPunk | Node is also NOT going to be the performer needed for low-level I/O intensive stuff like analyzing visual data and optimizing disk access |
| 20:31.15 | TodPunk | It's on the list. I'm not going to do it any time soon. |
| 20:31.25 | TodPunk | I have to do things that will make money first |
| 20:31.34 | youtah | anytime soon like as in the next three minutes.... but maybe the next 20? |
| 20:32.07 | TodPunk | s/minutes/months/ |
| 20:32.18 | youtah | lol |
| 20:39.04 | spangborn | Shut up and take my money |
| 20:39.59 | levi | What sort of MP4 support is desired for ZoneMinder? |
| 20:42.05 | levi | "MP4" is a rather overloaded designator. |
| 20:42.46 | TodPunk | it is a misnomer |
| 20:42.54 | TodPunk | mp4 support of any kind is not the problem |
| 20:43.17 | TodPunk | Zoneminder processes jpgs, and support for video processing is built around shoehorning into that process frame by frame |
| 20:43.39 | TodPunk | so I think they can process some h264 streams now, but it's terrible and wonky and performs horridly |
| 20:44.12 | TodPunk | all this built on a UI that was outdated when it began, because (and this is fair) they aren't web devs, they're system devs |
| 20:45.22 | TodPunk | I want Zoneminder features like controlling cameras and having a nice view of the system in various ways, AND ignoring non-alarm frames (so you only record when there's enough motion for instance) but working with modern video camera streams rather than the old mjpeg processing |
| 20:46.14 | TodPunk | This is less of a criticism of Zoneminder and more a reality that it just isn't the solution for modern hardware, rathe than some sort of failing of the ZM devs |
| 20:50.26 | levi | Ahh, I see. So an h264-native camera just doesn't work well with it due to the software being designed around mjpeg cameras? |
| 20:51.01 | TodPunk | or old style webcams |
| 20:51.11 | TodPunk | basically they capture a frame at a time from some web url |
| 20:51.19 | TodPunk | then the server does processing |
| 20:51.34 | TodPunk | this, as you can imagine, isn't the greatest thing for any video processing |
| 20:52.10 | TodPunk | so it works with some of the older cheap hardware, and some of the older high-end hardware, but new hardware is much more hit and miss if you can get it working at all |
| 20:53.28 | spangborn | It wouldn't handle my h264 cameras very well |
| 20:57.48 | levi | Huh. It shouldn't be that hard to hook up a library that can just dump an iframe periodically from the stream, which should at least make it not work *worse* than older tech. |
| 20:58.04 | TodPunk | Zoneminder's chief feature for me is the idea that you can define areas (zones) of the feed to be of interest, and only changes in THAT will be analyzed. So you can have something pointed at your porch overlooking a street and tell it to only alarm when someone's at the door, not when cars drive by |
| 20:58.38 | TodPunk | Yeah, but it was already quite a resource hog without the added layers of processing. |
| 20:58.45 | spangborn | My cameras do that in their software already, but I'd prefer to not have that be tied to their cloud service |
| 20:58.49 | TodPunk | (that IS a criticism of Zoneminder) |
| 20:59.32 | TodPunk | spangborn: right, and even if you find a vendor that you "trust" or whatever, they rarely have an API so you can integrate all your things in one place |
| 20:59.52 | spangborn | Mine detect motion, upload a 6s clip to a cloud service, and then record the full video to a MicroSD card where I can pull it off over FTP/HTTP/RTSP later |
| 21:00.18 | spangborn | I do however have my Linux server taking image snaps from the RTSP stream on a cron job now though |
| 21:06.35 | levi | Actually, if you're just interested in changes, you could probably take advantage of the analysis already built into the codec. |
| 21:09.16 | levi | Looking at the Wikipedia page for h.264; they've got per-macroblock lossless encoding, so security cameras could potentially keep a lossless representation of a region of interest for analysis purposes. |
| 21:10.30 | TodPunk | sure, and if you control end-to-end you can likely do that easily |
| 21:11.10 | spangborn | It's too bad there's not a decent open-source hardware camera out there for doing something like that |
| 21:15.02 | levi | Well, you've definitely got to control the encoder to do the per-macroblock lossless stuff, but using the b-frame motion vectors for motion detection should work with any encoding. It ought to at least be usable as a first-pass filter to when you need to do a more detailed analysis of I-frames. |
| 21:17.55 | levi | I can't blame open source devs for not doing anything like this, though... video codecs are a black art and it takes a lot of digging around to find actionable information if you're not in the industry. |
| 21:20.07 | levi | I have sort of peripherally absorbed some stuff due to the 'V' part of the AVB protocols I've been working on for years now, and learning how specific use cases like automotive cameras work at a high level. |
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| 21:23.15 | spangborn | Oh yeah, for sure |
| 21:23.35 | spangborn | And a lot of cheap hardware produces crap signals |
| 21:26.20 | levi | Actually, if you've got code that does video analysis of raw video frames, I could hook it up to a gstreamer pipeline that could give you raw video frames from an RTSP stream. Would probably only take me a few evenings of work, as I've mucked around with gstreamer and h.264 decoding with it recently and figured out a lot of its quirks. |