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| 00:25.02 | youtah | did you guys miss me? |
| 00:28.14 | romanovic | youtah: you were gone? |
| 00:28.23 | youtah | Ouch |
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| 00:30.27 | klys | ye were u been |
| 00:30.28 | frostyfrog | Hey, welcome back! :D |
| 00:31.08 | frostyfrog | It's been a while, and um... What klys said... |
| 00:31.12 | youtah | ah thanks |
| 00:31.43 | youtah | Well, I work at a network hardware manufacture company, and am constantly connecting and reconnecting while testing, etc |
| 00:31.58 | youtah | and having to restablish my identity to rejoin #utah gets really annoying |
| 00:32.12 | youtah | and I could setup something like ZNC |
| 00:32.19 | youtah | but I am too busy |
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| 00:32.30 | romanovic | youtah: quassel |
| 00:32.37 | romanovic | quassel core |
| 00:32.41 | youtah | What did you call my sister? |
| 00:32.41 | frostyfrog | eyes their znc server... |
| 00:32.47 | youtah | lol |
| 00:32.49 | youtah | BTW |
| 00:32.50 | youtah | http://www.rapidfire-it.com/images/lkmntcamera/image.jpg |
| 00:32.50 | frostyfrog | Ye, it's a nice server thingy |
| 00:33.20 | frostyfrog | :O |
| 00:33.31 | youtah | ^^ I have a python script scraping the image from our web cam on the 2.4ghz wireless mesh network, and putting it onto a public/internet facing web server |
| 00:33.37 | frostyfrog | That the UT Mesh mountain tower? |
| 00:33.44 | youtah | yeah |
| 00:33.49 | frostyfrog | Cool :3 |
| 00:34.00 | youtah | the cron scrapes the image every 5 minutes |
| 00:34.01 | frostyfrog | would love to learn more about participating |
| 00:34.11 | youtah | All you need is a technicians license |
| 00:34.22 | youtah | and then 1500 watts ERP on 2.4GHz is all yours |
| 00:34.32 | youtah | and 5GHz |
| 00:34.35 | frostyfrog | Funny you should mention that. I've been looking into getting licensed. |
| 00:34.36 | youtah | we're using Channel -2 |
| 00:34.48 | youtah | hamstudy.org |
| 00:34.51 | klys | so I have a new used pair of frs radios...and it only works unidirectionally |
| 00:34.53 | frostyfrog | yup |
| 00:35.03 | youtah | and if you can divide by 300 you're set |
| 00:35.13 | youtah | 300/2 meters = 150MHz |
| 00:35.17 | frostyfrog | My co-worker's son apparently maintains hamstudy.org, IIRC. |
| 00:35.26 | youtah | 300/150 MHz = 2 Meters |
| 00:35.33 | youtah | Richard? |
| 00:35.37 | youtah | KD7BBC |
| 00:35.44 | youtah | taxilion on IRC |
| 00:35.52 | youtah | ~seen taxilion |
| 00:35.54 | infobot | youtah: i haven't seen 'taxilion' |
| 00:36.00 | frostyfrog | Sounds familiar. |
| 00:36.01 | youtah | hmm |
| 00:36.19 | youtah | His father in law |
| 00:36.30 | youtah | NV7V administers the tests in Provo |
| 00:36.47 | youtah | and Richard (founder of ham study) and I both can help administer |
| 00:36.53 | youtah | and are both VEs |
| 00:37.03 | youtah | "Volunteer Examiners" |
| 00:37.15 | youtah | but hamstudy is good |
| 00:37.21 | frostyfrog | Nice. :) |
| 00:38.37 | frostyfrog | will have to get their but in gear to study. |
| 00:40.53 | frostyfrog | Is the mesh mostly a "for fun" thing? I was curious about what it was for, but thought that it sounded fun to participate none-the-less. |
| 00:42.35 | youtah | yeah |
| 00:42.39 | youtah | for fun |
| 00:42.45 | youtah | we have nodes on West Mountain |
| 00:42.47 | youtah | Lake Mountain |
| 00:42.49 | youtah | Nelson Peak |
| 00:43.01 | youtah | and we tie into another group on Antelope Island |
| 00:43.22 | youtah | so we extend from Ogden to Spanish Fork on one large 2.4/5ghz mesh link |
| 00:43.27 | frostyfrog | http://www.utmesh.com/ was sent my way a while back |
| 00:43.35 | youtah | Yes |
| 00:43.44 | youtah | that is the group I am trying to get into a 501c3 |
| 00:43.55 | youtah | Jake, Chad and I |
| 00:44.21 | youtah | Also check out utahmesh.com |
| 00:44.26 | youtah | that redirects to our map |
| 00:45.16 | frostyfrog | Oh, woah! That map's a lot cooler than the one on utmesh.com |
| 00:45.22 | youtah | lol |
| 00:45.23 | youtah | yeah |
| 00:45.25 | youtah | we have two maps |
| 00:45.28 | youtah | need to kill the other one |
| 00:45.34 | youtah | we just haven't added it to the site yet |
| 00:45.53 | youtah | During winter field day, we setup at the Lindon Marina |
| 00:46.00 | youtah | and then we setup a reverse proxy using nginx |
| 00:46.22 | youtah | and streamed video from the field day location to Lake Mountain, then down to the server in Lindon, and embedded it on our website |
| 00:46.36 | frostyfrog | xD |
| 00:46.43 | youtah | so you could watch us freeze |
| 00:46.52 | youtah | but the forest service is now very interested |
| 00:46.59 | youtah | for monitoring forest fires |
| 00:47.06 | frostyfrog | Oh? |
| 00:47.16 | youtah | anyway, lots of various practical applications |
| 00:47.19 | frostyfrog | It sure could come in handy as an alerting system |
| 00:47.22 | youtah | yeah |
| 00:47.30 | youtah | or for races such as the wasatch back |
| 00:47.38 | youtah | ragnar, etc |
| 00:48.02 | youtah | anyway, gotta jet. Boss just demanded we all go home and pay attention to our spouses on Valentines day |
| 00:48.05 | youtah | lol |
| 00:48.08 | frostyfrog | I would like to know how the 501c3 goes, in the meantime, I'll try studying for the test. |
| 00:48.20 | youtah | for sure |
| 00:48.30 | youtah | we setup the UVARC.club as a 501c3 |
| 00:48.34 | youtah | btw that site sucks |
| 00:48.37 | youtah | I hate that theme |
| 00:48.47 | youtah | later |
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| 14:10.01 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 16:06.57 | frostyfrog | morning |
| 16:07.07 | youtah | More-Nun |
| 16:11.17 | spangborn | ~lart youtah |
| 16:11.17 | infobot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at youtah |
| 16:11.36 | spangborn | jasonbot |
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| 16:13.49 | youtah | Ah |
| 16:14.27 | youtah | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17weg7weEkQ |
| 16:16.16 | youtah | KSL also now has our web cam on their weather site http://media.ksl.com/weather/cameras/d87de406b3dd380e54bf03fd5ecc012d |
| 16:16.38 | spangborn | Too bad about the low-res watermark |
| 16:17.11 | frostyfrog | Cool |
| 16:17.24 | youtah | I am one of the call sign trustee's for the K7MSH call sign |
| 16:17.37 | youtah | and that is our gear, and we do it because we're transmitting the image |
| 16:17.55 | youtah | technically the packets have our call sign in them too |
| 16:18.00 | youtah | but just to be safe |
| 16:18.19 | frostyfrog | Low-res text on high-res image = minecrafty feel. :3 |
| 16:18.27 | youtah | I approve |
| 16:18.31 | youtah | it's actually a 4k camera |
| 16:18.38 | frostyfrog | Not bad |
| 16:19.00 | programmerq | I'm very close to being in frame |
| 16:19.05 | frostyfrog | Did you do anything to get the camera on KSL, or did it just appear? |
| 16:20.25 | spangborn | programmerq: Please put a shirt on |
| 16:21.47 | programmerq | oh bummer, my subdivision is just out of the frame. had to go look on google earth to double check. |
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| 16:31.52 | romanovic | I've been noticing these flashes of light on my monitor for the last couple of days, and assumed it was just the office lighting being weird as I turned in my chair |
| 16:32.08 | romanovic | nope! It's the morning sun reflecting off of cars passing at 70mph on I-15 |
| 16:32.11 | romanovic | 100M away |
| 16:32.28 | frostyfrog | Wow, that's quite the distance |
| 16:32.32 | romanovic | feels very distracted |
| 16:32.48 | romanovic | s/100M/100 meters/ |
| 16:33.29 | frostyfrog | figured. |
| 16:33.41 | frostyfrog | er... wait... |
| 16:33.51 | frostyfrog | looks up how far a meter is >_> |
| 16:34.05 | jlp_znc | "a little more than a yard" |
| 16:34.31 | jlp_znc | so a little more than a football field away |
| 16:34.45 | romanovic | yeah |
| 16:34.50 | jlp_znc | (my kids hate when I give approximate distances in football fields when we are out geocaching) |
| 16:35.12 | frostyfrog | I like it, so much easier to visualize |
| 16:35.21 | jlp_znc | if you're familiar with football |
| 16:36.11 | romanovic | it is a useful unit of measurement. 200 yards might be harder to gauge, but most people probably have a sense of how far/long it takes to walk a football field twice |
| 16:37.22 | frostyfrog | ran around a football field in HS for PE |
| 16:37.36 | frostyfrog | IIRC |
| 16:38.08 | frostyfrog | yup |
| 16:42.39 | SunSparc | prefers metric, celsius, and 24 hours time |
| 16:45.43 | romanovic | has used metric and 24hr time out of necessity for most of his adult life, so just continues using them |
| 16:47.14 | romanovic | I still have to think about celsius though. |
| 16:48.41 | programmerq | I've been driving my wife nuts by using celsius without specifying |
| 16:48.46 | programmerq | "oh wow, it's below zero today" |
| 16:49.07 | youtah | <frostyfrog> Did you do anything to get the camera on KSL, or did it just appear? <<< Yes |
| 16:49.08 | jlp_znc | you should only do that when you're talking about 40 below |
| 16:49.12 | programmerq | I wish there was a way to get my oven to show celsius. |
| 16:49.12 | SunSparc | lol, I do that all the time, but my wife is used to it by now. |
| 16:49.24 | youtah | we had been posting the photos of the web cam on the weather pages |
| 16:49.31 | programmerq | my kid is learning inches and feet in 2nd grade, and I'm like wtf |
| 16:49.32 | jlp_znc | "it's forty below out there!" "Celcius or Fahrenheit?" "Yes!" |
| 16:49.32 | youtah | and both KSL and ABC4Utah picked it up |
| 16:50.01 | SunSparc | jlp_znc: :) |
| 16:50.10 | SunSparc | youtah: nice |
| 16:50.29 | SunSparc | programmerq: why do we keep teaching that system in schools? |
| 16:50.29 | jlp_znc | youtah... youtah... you look... familiar. |
| 16:50.34 | youtah | I know |
| 16:50.38 | youtah | I tried calling you the other night |
| 16:50.43 | jlp_znc | oh? |
| 16:50.45 | youtah | and it just rang and rang, didn't even go to voice mail |
| 16:50.49 | jlp_znc | weird. |
| 16:50.57 | jlp_znc | my cell number? |
| 16:51.00 | SunSparc | ~weird |
| 16:51.00 | infobot | Weird factor is currently 10%, and stable. |
| 16:51.02 | youtah | I was going to see if you were going to the swap meet |
| 16:51.05 | jlp_znc | maybe google voice was down |
| 16:51.12 | youtah | possibly |
| 16:51.15 | youtah | who knows |
| 16:51.22 | youtah | they just upgraded their android app I noticed! |
| 16:51.32 | jlp_znc | I would like to go to a swap meet, but that takes time. |
| 16:51.37 | youtah | and money |
| 16:51.42 | youtah | and student loans just kicked in |
| 16:51.45 | jlp_znc | I'd rather spend saturday sleeping. |
| 16:51.47 | youtah | and now I am paying them back |
| 16:51.56 | youtah | and I am so broke now I want to puke |
| 16:52.21 | jlp_znc | heh, our mortgage payment just went up $505. |
| 16:52.27 | SunSparc | ~puke youtah |
| 16:52.27 | infobot | ACTION , while sick, attempts to make it to the porcelain god and pukes all over harleypig |
| 16:52.36 | youtah | http://i.giphy.com/10YWA8gW28JbqM.gif |
| 16:52.39 | jlp_znc | apparently, they have been undercharging us on our escrow for the last three years... and just realized it. |
| 16:52.42 | SunSparc | jlp_znc: Did you switch to a 15 year? |
| 16:52.57 | jlp_znc | no |
| 16:52.57 | youtah | no, but I did just get them all consolidated |
| 16:52.58 | SunSparc | Oh, lame! |
| 16:53.15 | SunSparc | Consolidation is nice. |
| 16:53.27 | youtah | oh, duh, I just realized you were asking jlp_znc |
| 16:53.39 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:53.48 | Migs | jlp_znc: Undercharging by $505? |
| 16:53.51 | SunSparc | ~wake youtah |
| 16:53.51 | infobot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on youtah and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 16:54.02 | jlp_znc | so they're "helpfully" spreading the amount we need to catch up over 12 months for us. |
| 16:54.07 | Migs | how nice of them |
| 16:54.25 | jlp_znc | and increasing our escrow payment so we're not still behind next year. |
| 16:54.39 | spangborn | Ah, the ALS Challenge Alarm Clock |
| 16:54.49 | Migs | That's kind of brutal. |
| 16:54.53 | youtah | lol |
| 16:54.57 | youtah | that is really brutal |
| 16:55.07 | jlp_znc | Migs, yeah. I really really need a refi. |
| 16:55.09 | Migs | not chump change |
| 16:55.11 | spangborn | My escrow was also short apparently |
| 16:55.19 | spangborn | But it didn't raise my mortgage payment that much, thankfully |
| 16:55.25 | Migs | yeah, sounds like a good time to refinance |
| 16:55.32 | jlp_znc | the kicker was that about six months ago they told us to pay less than we had been paying. |
| 16:55.44 | jlp_znc | and then, bam, "we screwed up, so you get to eat it" |
| 16:56.09 | spangborn | Shit sandwich |
| 16:56.10 | jlp_znc | whoop, gotta go to a meeting. |
| 16:56.14 | youtah | ROFL, yeah... this came up as one of the suggestions for "Student Loans" using Giphy: http://i.giphy.com/4J0lbfgg3BA7S.gif |
| 16:58.30 | Migs | 5 years ago I refinanced, and chose between a 30-year for $250+/mo cheaper or a 15-year for $50/mo more. I went with the 15-year, and I'm still so proud of myself for doing that. The mortgage will be paid off when I'm in my 40s. |
| 16:59.43 | spangborn | youtah: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeLNSyketnE |
| 17:01.59 | youtah | Wow |
| 17:02.09 | youtah | can you imagine being the flash manufacture? |
| 17:04.15 | youtah | "huh... maybe we should have made more" |
| 17:05.10 | spangborn | I hear some people in CT can see Russia from their house |
| 17:05.11 | SunSparc | Migs: That is great! |
| 17:05.54 | SunSparc | I have thought many times about doing the 15 year instead of the 30 year. |
| 17:07.09 | youtah | http://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-talk/telecom/wireless/new-terahertz-transmitter-outshines-the-competition |
| 17:07.12 | SunSparc | But there is the debate of whether it is worth it. I could take the extra money and invest it and perhaps make more than the $100k I would be saving by paying off the mortgage early, but would I actually invest and would the investments really make up the difference. |
| 17:07.42 | youtah | "they presented a device capable of delivering data at breathtaking speeds of more than 100 gigabits per second at a frequency of 300 gigahertz." |
| 17:07.56 | SunSparc | youtah: that is cool! |
| 17:08.27 | youtah | for sure |
| 17:08.29 | youtah | especially this part |
| 17:08.34 | youtah | "the group says theirs is the first to also be based on a CMOS integrated circuit, which means its potentially more viable for commercial base stations or devices." |
| 17:08.41 | SunSparc | I was just thinking the other night if we would ever get wireless speeds to be faster |
| 17:08.50 | spangborn | And now you know why Google gave up on fiber |
| 17:09.11 | youtah | lol |
| 17:09.16 | youtah | yeah, but the problem with this |
| 17:09.25 | youtah | is it takes a LOT of power with these higher frequencies |
| 17:09.30 | SunSparc | Yeah, if wireless can be better than fiber, then why do a wire. |
| 17:09.42 | spangborn | Just throw some solar panels on it |
| 17:09.42 | youtah | that's why 5ghz sucks compared to 2.4 regarding range |
| 17:09.48 | spangborn | and a Tesla battery |
| 17:09.56 | youtah | and a hamster wheel |
| 17:10.02 | youtah | with a hamster |
| 17:10.14 | spangborn | Are we feeding the hamster soylent? |
| 17:10.23 | youtah | yes |
| 17:10.30 | youtah | the hamster kind though |
| 17:10.36 | youtah | soylentils |
| 17:12.04 | SunSparc | green soylentils |
| 17:17.26 | TodPunk | You also can't do wireless at scale |
| 17:17.39 | TodPunk | There is no way to server 10 million people off of one signal |
| 17:17.47 | TodPunk | *serve |
| 17:18.35 | spangborn | You could probably sever 10M people with one signal |
| 17:19.00 | SunSparc | Good thing there are not even 10 million people in Utah. |
| 17:19.10 | TodPunk | it's cool if you're doing your house or something, that's fine, but if you want to do an individual channel to each house in a mile radius or something, then you end up with a problem, and cross chatter, and one rogue dude can take down all your signals for a given amount of time (so security/reliability is an issue) |
| 17:19.29 | TodPunk | SunSparc: good thing I was talking about tech and not Utah =cP |
| 17:19.39 | SunSparc | lol :D |
| 17:19.51 | SunSparc | I know. Just being silly. |
| 17:20.18 | TodPunk | Google fiber specifically should be easier to deploy, it's the red tape and legal battles and bullshit fees from conduit owners that add up |
| 17:20.27 | SunSparc | Wireless certainly has different pros and cons than a wired infrastructure. |
| 17:20.39 | TodPunk | mhmmm |
| 17:21.21 | SunSparc | The lack of wires seems nice, but there are tradeoffs. |
| 17:21.25 | TodPunk | I also don't know how we got to this point where we haven't got cheap digging machines yet |
| 17:22.17 | SunSparc | Yeah, seems like this could be an easier thing to deal with in 2017. |
| 17:23.06 | spangborn | Seattle is a pro at digging holes |
| 17:23.11 | TodPunk | hahahaha |
| 17:23.12 | SunSparc | The solar roadways solution is appealing. Built in conduits everywhere. |
| 17:23.24 | spangborn | Just have Seattle dig the holes |
| 17:23.38 | SunSparc | infobot: Hire seattle to dig holes |
| 17:23.38 | infobot | ACTION hires seattle to dig holes along with levi as a NSA Headquarters Janitorial Staff Supervisor, at 9 loonies/hour to start |
| 17:23.44 | TodPunk | is looking forward to Elon Musk's digging thing |
| 17:24.00 | spangborn | Elon cracks me up |
| 17:24.08 | SunSparc | TodPunk: Oh yeah, that was a surprising announcement. |
| 17:24.35 | SunSparc | Hey I hate traffic, I am getting myself a super tunnel machine and just digging under the city to the airport. |
| 17:24.49 | SunSparc | I wonder what the city planners thought about that. |
| 17:25.13 | spangborn | Why do you need that when we have UTA? |
| 17:25.18 | SunSparc | I like how disuptive Elon is. |
| 17:25.23 | spangborn | They're perfectly competent at wasting money |
| 17:25.23 | SunSparc | spangborn: lol |
| 17:25.50 | spangborn | Also I'm loving UTA's involvement in the Swallow case |
| 17:26.04 | SunSparc | I have not heard about it. |
| 17:28.18 | spangborn | There have been claims in court that UTA had a "secret meeting" with the fixers in Swallow's case |
| 17:28.40 | spangborn | Which honestly wouldn't surprise me, given the shady antics UTA gets involved in |
| 17:29.09 | youtah | well, in a big disucssion with the RF engineers here |
| 17:29.23 | youtah | the big win here is the CMOS... not the speed or frequency |
| 17:29.29 | youtah | that's been done before |
| 17:29.47 | youtah | the problem, is that it probably, with this prototype only goes like 3 inches |
| 17:30.59 | spangborn | Is it actually three inches |
| 17:31.05 | spangborn | Or is someone exaggerating |
| 17:31.10 | youtah | no |
| 17:31.17 | youtah | something significantly short |
| 17:31.20 | spangborn | haha |
| 17:31.23 | youtah | 3" was speculation |
| 17:31.27 | youtah | but realistic in speculation |
| 17:31.33 | youtah | without any sort of amplification |
| 17:31.41 | spangborn | #trumphands |
| 17:31.53 | youtah | LOL |
| 17:31.56 | unum | a guy who's been convicted of being a complete and total fraud is offer testimony that UTA board member recieved payouts for developing a front runner station in Draper. He claims Greg Hughes(then UTA board chair, now Speaker of the House) was at the meeting. Hughes(a real estate developer) owned property near the trax development. |
| 17:32.19 | unum | this was during preliminary testimony |
| 17:32.39 | youtah | Greg Hughes also told me, directly, to my face (2 years ago) that there is no polution problem in the State |
| 17:32.44 | youtah | he was dead serious as he said it |
| 17:32.58 | youtah | it was in January, and it was *right* after a storm. We were standing by the reflection pong |
| 17:33.00 | youtah | pond |
| 17:33.02 | spangborn | Well, he's right. There's no pollution where he lives |
| 17:33.10 | youtah | and he stated "Look around? I dont see any pollution " |
| 17:33.31 | unum | he may have moved up the hill recently but two years ago he lived at the bottom of the hill |
| 17:33.52 | youtah | although, in person, he's always been extremely nice |
| 17:34.08 | youtah | and he gives *very* good speeches |
| 17:34.22 | youtah | he's a very motivating speaker |
| 17:34.27 | unum | of course when I was campaigning up the hill and mentioned my support of clean air inniatives a constituent told me that the enviromental movement is just a front for communism |
| 17:34.40 | SunSparc | youtah: So is the Devil. ;) |
| 17:34.46 | youtah | lol SunSparc |
| 17:35.00 | spangborn | Communism is great |
| 17:35.06 | youtah | *face palm* unum |
| 17:35.13 | SunSparc | unum: Nice |
| 17:35.25 | spangborn | It seems like most things that people attribute to communism are generally good |
| 17:35.26 | youtah | you should have to pay for the premium air unum |
| 17:35.40 | unum | so ya don't expect hem to be terrible motivated to do anything about the air |
| 17:36.04 | unum | it hurts his bottom line and most of his constituents don't care |
| 17:36.09 | youtah | ppl have asked me frequently "But what can we do about the air?" |
| 17:36.15 | youtah | and then they get into discussions about solutions |
| 17:36.22 | spangborn | My #1 suggestion is to stop youtah from driving |
| 17:36.23 | SunSparc | stop driving cars |
| 17:36.33 | programmerq | I work from home and drive very little |
| 17:36.34 | youtah | and I paused them and say.... well, no... first you need to get them to actually recognize it's a problem |
| 17:36.40 | unum | I told someone that it was mostly cars and she didn't believe me |
| 17:36.43 | spangborn | youtah should have to walk to work, uphill, both ways |
| 17:36.50 | youtah | naked and in the snow? |
| 17:36.54 | SunSparc | :D |
| 17:37.14 | spangborn | When are they putting that trax station in your front yard, youtah? |
| 17:37.24 | unum | and $1 increase in the gas tax to fund UTA would make a huge difference :) |
| 17:37.30 | youtah | I don't know yet... let me ask Hughes |
| 17:37.39 | spangborn | UTA definitely needs more funding to squander |
| 17:37.54 | unum | it's at least 10 years before I get the trax station in my backyard |
| 17:38.00 | spangborn | How are we supposed to build a world-class transit system without UTA execs getting $400K in salary? |
| 17:38.14 | unum | I think a directly elected non-partisan board would be a good thing as well |
| 17:38.39 | SunSparc | Is UTA a business or a utility? |
| 17:38.44 | spangborn | Both |
| 17:38.50 | spangborn | They're a pseudo-governmental org |
| 17:38.51 | SunSparc | Not sure I like that model. |
| 17:38.59 | youtah | agreed |
| 17:39.02 | spangborn | They take tax money, and don't have to be accountable with it. |
| 17:39.08 | spangborn | That's really the root of the issue |
| 17:39.23 | SunSparc | ~lart UTA |
| 17:39.23 | infobot | does a little 'renice 20 -u UTA' |
| 17:39.24 | unum | I think UTA is a 100% goverment org |
| 17:39.30 | youtah | it's like when people argue that all cable and internet should be private and not a utility |
| 17:39.41 | youtah | um.... there's only so much land you can bury cable in |
| 17:39.43 | spangborn | I'd be okay with them being one or the other |
| 17:39.50 | spangborn | But straddling the line is where it gets ugly |
| 17:40.01 | youtah | ~twss |
| 17:40.01 | infobot | That's what she said! |
| 17:40.17 | spangborn | I prefer to bury fiber |
| 17:40.19 | unum | a for profit organization with no competition tends to get you the worst of both worlds |
| 17:40.22 | spangborn | Like broccoli |
| 17:40.28 | SunSparc | Well, Internet service can be seperated from Internet infrastructure. |
| 17:40.36 | unum | just like power |
| 17:41.04 | youtah | yes yes |
| 17:41.17 | youtah | my comments are in regards to infrastructure |
| 17:41.23 | SunSparc | Ah |
| 17:41.32 | unum | UTA is funded by sales taxes from government entities |
| 17:41.43 | unum | the board members are appointed by those entities |
| 17:42.12 | unum | so hughes appoints someone neiderhauser appoints someone |
| 17:42.17 | youtah | apparently there are camels all over the UofU campus right now |
| 17:42.22 | youtah | because it's camel wednesday? |
| 17:42.22 | spangborn | youtah: Why |
| 17:42.24 | unum | the cites get together and apoint someone |
| 17:42.32 | unum | I think salt lake county gets to appoint someone |
| 17:42.43 | spangborn | unum: Yeah, and then the board closes their doors |
| 17:42.54 | spangborn | And doesn't actually use transit |
| 17:42.58 | youtah | oh, it's "Hump day |
| 17:43.00 | youtah | " |
| 17:43.00 | unum | ya I'm really opposed to non-federal closed meetings |
| 17:43.07 | unum | non-defense I eman |
| 17:43.09 | unum | mean |
| 17:43.12 | unum | blah |
| 17:43.22 | unum | if it's not security related it should be open |
| 17:43.30 | spangborn | I think if you're going to be on a board for something, you should have some interest in it |
| 17:43.32 | unum | and Utah has laws about that |
| 17:43.40 | spangborn | unum: Yeah, but they've found ways to skirt that |
| 17:43.46 | spangborn | They only backpedalled on it when the Trib called them out on it |
| 17:43.50 | unum | too much of government is ran my real estate people |
| 17:43.56 | youtah | "BUT HILLARY'S EMAILS!" https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html |
| 17:43.57 | unum | spangborn: ya that's true |
| 17:44.06 | unum | I'm going to really miss newspapers |
| 17:46.06 | unum | it the whole good ole boys network issue |
| 17:46.13 | youtah | yup |
| 17:46.22 | unum | notice how the mayor of draper and hughes were both on the board at the say time |
| 17:46.25 | unum | I think they mayor still is |
| 17:46.52 | youtah | many are speculating that Trump is actually training Ivanka with "on the job training" by bringing her withhim everywhere |
| 17:46.53 | unum | if all the people who complain about government corruption would vote for non-corrupt politicians it would solve a lot of problems |
| 17:47.06 | youtah | voted Sanders |
| 17:47.15 | unum | voted unum |
| 17:47.17 | unum | :) |
| 17:47.20 | youtah | lol |
| 17:47.35 | unum | it was unum vs hughes twice!!! |
| 17:47.39 | unum | that was a really easy decision |
| 17:47.52 | spangborn | voted for an aemoba |
| 17:48.01 | youtah | I'm not in your jurisdiction :( |
| 17:48.16 | spangborn | Has Chaffetz claimed his spine yet? |
| 17:48.18 | unum | I got 5000 votes last time |
| 17:48.33 | unum | looks like he got a couple of vertabrae atleast |
| 17:48.38 | youtah | precinct |
| 17:48.39 | unum | I voted tryon |
| 17:49.05 | youtah | last I heard he was investigating cartoons |
| 17:49.41 | youtah | https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/instead-of-probing-trump-chaffetz-takes-aim-at-a-cartoon-preschooler/2017/02/13/7e74e63c-f232-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.b3fb7d1d619a |
| 17:51.21 | unum | I saw that too |
| 17:51.56 | unum | but I saw more news later about investigating Trump's security lapses at Larga a mar or what ever it's called |
| 17:52.03 | spangborn | I actually think outside his town hall was more entertaining than inside |
| 17:52.15 | unum | I have to wonder if there's a Utah company that made a bid on that zika thing |
| 17:52.23 | spangborn | And I was surprised at CHPD actually not being total dicks |
| 17:52.32 | spangborn | (They still have me blocked on Twitter) |
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| 17:59.32 | TodPunk | would kill several kittens for a decent transportation system that ran to/from his work/home |
| 17:59.56 | frostyfrog | D= |
| 17:59.59 | unum | I'm with in walking distance of a trax station, and then a bus goes right from the trax station to my work |
| 18:00.05 | frostyfrog | hides the kittens |
| 18:00.12 | unum | it's pretty nice to be able to sit and read during my commute |
| 18:00.20 | spangborn | I'm about a mile from the red line |
| 18:00.21 | unum | I just wish it wasn't cheaper to drive |
| 18:00.28 | spangborn | It just takes a while |
| 18:00.34 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: kittens are only good for a little while before the spoil, don't fret too much |
| 18:00.40 | spangborn | It's like 18min drive, and a 50min train ride with transfers |
| 18:00.57 | unum | I wish they would make the hive pass a county wide thing |
| 18:01.10 | unum | ya that's party of the problem to |
| 18:01.12 | TodPunk | unum: I'd do a bike thing if I wasn't taking Timp Hwy for 80% of the trip |
| 18:01.18 | spangborn | Thankfully work pays for my pass |
| 18:01.25 | spangborn | Otherwise there's no way I'd do it |
| 18:01.29 | unum | I did bike+ trax for a while |
| 18:01.38 | unum | but decide it wasn't worth he hassle |
| 18:01.46 | TodPunk | bike would be awesome, but I can't without taking my life in my hands |
| 18:01.50 | TodPunk | and then winter happens |
| 18:01.54 | spangborn | During the good weather, I ride to the train in the morning, and then ride the bike home in the evening |
| 18:01.57 | unum | and last time I left my bike at the trax station someone swapped out my seat and rear tire |
| 18:02.04 | TodPunk | just gets an electric car instead |
| 18:02.12 | unum | I knew I was supposed to include them in the lock... |
| 18:02.12 | spangborn | *coal powered electric car |
| 18:02.25 | unum | I have solar panels to charge my car |
| 18:02.26 | spangborn | unum: I'm curious as to how well the lockers work |
| 18:02.40 | spangborn | It would bother me to only have a key to *one* specific locker |
| 18:02.48 | spangborn | Because then you can't use it at multiple stations |
| 18:02.54 | unum | spangborn: I've been tempted, but then I'm just increasing the cost of what is already the more expensive option |
| 18:03.01 | spangborn | It seems like UTA should have some sort of electronic locker rental system |
| 18:05.05 | unum | board memember that actually ride would be really helpful :) |
| 18:05.42 | unum | non partison elections of board members would be a bill I would like to have introduced |
| 18:05.56 | frostyfrog | reminds me of this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcZSU40RBrg |
| 18:23.51 | unum | http://www.sltrib.com/news/4941537-155/chaffetz-asks-white-house-about-sensitive |
| 18:23.56 | unum | that's what I was talking about earlier |
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| 19:15.42 | SunSparc | Any systemd pros here? I am trying to figure out how to get a service to wait until a file exists before it starts. |
| 19:16.34 | SunSparc | There is the PathExists stuff, but that does not wait, that is one check that fails if the file is not there. |
| 19:20.06 | TodPunk | Ask not how to do something with your box in systemd, ask what systemd wants you to do with your box. |
| 19:20.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 19:20.47 | TodPunk | A bit tongue-in-cheek, but I am serious though, you are probably making an assumption about the how and systemd best practices say you should accomplish whatever thing it is differently |
| 19:21.02 | TodPunk | like the process that creates the file should send some signal or something |
| 19:21.22 | SunSparc | A valid point. |
| 19:21.27 | TodPunk | (and no, I'm not advocating that, you do what you want, but you're using systemd, so just... be prepared for that) |
| 19:23.01 | SunSparc | Yep, I am open to options at this stage still. So it may well be that I create a service that looks for a file that the other service waits for, or I do a pre-exec command that does some waiting and watching, or something else. |
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| 19:45.29 | frostyfrog | https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.path.html |
| 19:45.41 | frostyfrog | not sure if that'll help |
| 19:45.52 | frostyfrog | Never used them before |
| 19:46.07 | frostyfrog | SunSparc: ^ |
| 19:47.56 | frostyfrog | Oh, youtah, with that giant UTMesh, how exactly do you encode the packets with your call sign? #curious but will probably find out later anyways as they study more HAM stuff. |
| 19:48.20 | frostyfrog | notes that encode may not be the right word >_> |
| 19:49.12 | youtah | from what I undestand, and have been told (I haven't looked at the source code), that the somewhere (not sure it is packet level persay) but somewhere in the traffic, they embed the sending devices call sign |
| 19:49.30 | youtah | http://bloodhound.aredn.org/products/AREDN/browser |
| 19:53.42 | frostyfrog | Thanks, I'll have to check it out :) |
| 20:04.07 | frostyfrog | OH! (Haven't looked at the code, but their description along with my network background makes sense) |
| 20:20.53 | programmerq | so in PG there's Chubby's |
| 20:21.00 | programmerq | they opened one out in Saratoga Springs now. |
| 20:21.49 | SunSparc | frostyfrog: Thanks, I was looking at that. |
| 20:22.40 | SunSparc | programmerq: In SF there is Cubby's. Tasty. |
| 20:22.59 | programmerq | There's Cubby's all over the place |
| 20:23.30 | SunSparc | Ever had the Double Dragon? |
| 20:23.43 | SunSparc | Yum |
| 20:28.34 | programmerq | I've only been once or twice. it isn't _that_ great. |
| 20:28.58 | programmerq | but it does sound like I should try this double dragon |
| 20:29.02 | programmerq | maybe that'll swing my opinion. |
| 20:30.02 | SunSparc | Definitely |
| 20:30.23 | SunSparc | What have you had in the past? Some are meh, but I have had some pretty good stuff there. |
| 20:32.23 | frostyfrog | Re: systemd. I've built quite a few service files and I've watched/debugged through the boot process enough to know what kinds of things it deals with and might be able to do. tl;dr, I realize that systemd tries to do everything. |
| 20:38.34 | programmerq | the shake was good, but not fantastic |
| 20:38.40 | programmerq | and I remember the burger being a little lackluster |
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| 20:49.03 | jsmith | SunSparc: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.path.html |
| 20:49.10 | jsmith | SunSparc: (if you hadn't already found it) |
| 20:51.56 | youtah | jsmith!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:52.00 | youtah | YOU'RE ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 20:52.20 | youtah | Hey, remember that one time we worked together? Good time. |
| 20:52.21 | jsmith | youtah: I'm at a conference today, so I can actually get on IRC :-p |
| 20:52.38 | jsmith | youtah: Remember that one time you were going to sell me some camera gear at a great price?!? |
| 20:52.39 | SunSparc | jsmith: Yep, looked over it multiple times now. Considering using ExecStartPre. |
| 20:52.53 | jsmith | SunSparc: And not just path activation? |
| 20:55.40 | SunSparc | jsmith: Yes, because it looks like the path is only checked once. I need the path checked until it is true. |
| 20:55.53 | youtah | Hey jsmith ..... did you ever see our web came from our ham radio mesh network on the top of the tower on the mountain? |
| 20:56.15 | jsmith | SunSparc: PathChanged= didn't work? |
| 20:56.36 | jsmith | youtah: Yes, it looks like it's in the inversion most of the time :-p |
| 20:56.40 | youtah | lol |
| 20:56.45 | youtah | Looks good now |
| 20:56.48 | youtah | kind of |
| 20:56.54 | youtah | can't see Salt Lake |
| 20:57.02 | youtah | because of the inversion |
| 20:57.09 | SunSparc | jsmith: Hmmm... I did not try that option... trying now... |
| 20:57.18 | youtah | I am fine with inversions.... I am not fine with what the inversion is filled with |
| 21:05.48 | frostyfrog | cotton candy? |
| 21:06.17 | spangborn | vomit |
| 21:06.49 | frostyfrog | D= I've been lied to. I'll never trust that gingerbread man ever again. |
| 21:10.02 | SunSparc | jsmith: This might just be what I needed. Thanks! |
| 21:10.07 | SunSparc | ~jsmith++ |
| 21:11.00 | jsmith | SunSparc: Glad to help :-) |
| 21:11.20 | jsmith | SunSparc: As luck would have it, I was hacking on some SystemD services today, so it was fresh in my mine |
| 21:11.22 | jsmith | mind, that is |
| 21:11.25 | jsmith | can't type today |
| 21:11.28 | spangborn | frostyfrog: Well lucky for him, you probably won't be able to catch him either |
| 21:11.41 | SunSparc | :D |
| 21:11.47 | frostyfrog | :p |
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| 22:16.14 | aeryndunham | dangit how did I forget to buy ziploc baggies |
| 22:16.20 | aeryndunham | needs to marinate some salmon |
| 22:18.22 | spangborn | Whoops |
| 22:18.31 | spangborn | Looks like I might be going to Boston in March for work, woo |
| 22:20.10 | aeryndunham | Yay Boston! |
| 22:20.15 | aeryndunham | sorries she's no longer there |
| 22:20.52 | spangborn | Haha, it's a fun city :) |
| 22:21.08 | spangborn | I'm supposed to be receiving an award, so it'll be a fun trip |
| 22:23.54 | aeryndunham | Exciting! |
| 22:28.56 | spangborn | wow, Mia Love is a piece of work |
| 22:29.01 | spangborn | "most people would just be grateful that they even get to meet Mia Love.â |
| 22:29.14 | spangborn | http://kutv.com/news/local/rep-mia-love-criticized-over-rules-for-meeting-with-constituents |
| 22:44.24 | SunSparc | spangborn: A major award? |
| 22:44.49 | spangborn | Work award, apparently it's reasonably major within work culture |
| 22:45.06 | spangborn | I'll let you decide how major that is |
| 22:47.44 | SunSparc | spangborn: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_TzzcjRHWo |
| 22:47.56 | spangborn | hahaha |
| 22:48.03 | spangborn | I wondered if you were referring to that |
| 22:48.10 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:56.28 | SunSparc | spangborn: I am skeptical about the motives of those guys. Looks like they wanted her to make some public statements. If I was in her shoes I would be leery also. This kind of stuff is one reason that keeps me out of running for offices. The way we treat our elected officials is deplorable. |
| 22:56.42 | SunSparc | In general of course. |
| 22:57.12 | spangborn | I'd argue the way our elected officials treat their constituents is worse |
| 22:57.52 | SunSparc | Yeah, it goes both ways. Probably worth saying that people are not treating people with much respect in general. |
| 22:58.31 | spangborn | Especially considering when one is a "public servant" |
| 22:58.36 | spangborn | and clearly not acting as such |
| 22:58.41 | SunSparc | Though, I would like to think those are just he noisy exceptions and not the majority rules. |
| 22:59.45 | SunSparc | Well, public servant does not mean whipping boy (or girl in this case). |
| 22:59.52 | SunSparc | But I see what you are saying. |
| 23:00.10 | SunSparc | That article only really gives me a snippet of context. |
| 23:00.32 | SunSparc | I would need more information to make a good judgement call on Love or the two who came to her office. |
| 23:01.31 | SunSparc | "news |
| 23:01.45 | SunSparc | "news" is sensational. :) |
| 23:08.30 | youtah | Hey TodPunk, what was that Synology video recording alternative software you were using? |
| 23:08.47 | TodPunk | Zoneminder? |
| 23:09.00 | TodPunk | It doesn't really support modern video, mind you |
| 23:09.20 | youtah | Ah yes |
| 23:09.21 | youtah | that is it |
| 23:10.49 | youtah | Ever find a good alternative? |
| 23:11.40 | youtah | I found some Windows only based ones |
| 23:11.46 | youtah | but this would be running on a mini linux box |
| 23:12.50 | youtah | http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/WebHome |
| 23:14.59 | TodPunk | There's a number of terrible proprietary things, but I haven't found anything that's open, even in API, to hook up to anything else |
| 23:15.36 | TodPunk | it's always some standalone thing that only works with their supported cameras and their app and it's a company nobody's heard of or they will literally only support their cameras and whatever other things they might sell |
| 23:15.51 | TodPunk | Samsung has a thing, for instance |
| 23:16.25 | TodPunk | But if you want to do your home automation yourself, or even just hook up various vendors' stuff, you're screwed |
| 23:16.35 | TodPunk | I have lamented at RyanE about this before |
| 23:17.15 | youtah | can I blame RyanE too? |
| 23:20.15 | TodPunk | sure |
| 23:20.18 | TodPunk | I didn't blame him |
| 23:20.21 | TodPunk | I blamed his industry |
| 23:20.37 | TodPunk | It's a thing I want my company to get into when I have cash flow |
| 23:30.54 | spangborn | . |
| 23:31.32 | TodPunk | ? |
| 23:32.16 | SunSparc | * |
