| 00:07.21 | joshh | keldwud: you live in like utah county with no car? |
| 00:13.55 | jholtom | If so, that's brave |
| 00:38.31 | keldwud | joshh: I'm downtown SLC now |
| 00:39.07 | keldwud | I live less than 1 mile from my work, < 1 mile from my daughter's school, < 1 mile from the grocery store |
| 00:52.34 | TodPunk | programmerq: it also says that I am one of the organizers |
| 01:40.03 | frostyfrog | Sooo... someone mentioned a while back that Adafruit was more for buying kits. Which site is better for buying parts? |
| 01:40.43 | frostyfrog | just got a few C.H.I.P. Pros and is having fun with the dev kit and is ready to make some small projects with them :D |
| 01:46.07 | frostyfrog | Something about `/ # echo 0 > /sys/class/gpio/gpio133/value` turning off and on an LED makes me smile :D |
| 01:46.56 | jholtom | Digikey |
| 01:46.58 | jholtom | Mouser |
| 01:47.02 | jholtom | Amazon |
| 01:54.53 | frostyfrog | Thank you :3 |
| 01:55.30 | frostyfrog | runs off to build a WiFi-enabled dishwasher alarm. |
| 01:58.33 | jholtom | Noooooo |
| 01:58.36 | jholtom | Not IoT |
| 01:59.38 | TodPunk | yessss, IoT! |
| 01:59.45 | TodPunk | All the cool kids are doing it! |
| 02:00.17 | jholtom | No they aren't |
| 02:00.39 | jholtom | All the cool kids are thinking about security and the implications of your poorly designed internet enabled things |
| 02:00.52 | jholtom | I'm gonna hack your fridge and spoil your food |
| 02:01.03 | frostyfrog | I wouldn't leave anything open besides a web server |
| 02:01.17 | frostyfrog | or other ports that I have full control over |
| 02:05.44 | TodPunk | a webserver, python interpreter, go environment, and running everything as root |
| 02:15.12 | klys | now has kvm passthrough on an nvidia gtx 960 and watching fullscreen youtube |
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| 14:39.45 | frostyfrog | Nice one, klys :3 |
| 14:50.22 | frostyfrog | would never run a personal webserver with python in the backend. |
| 14:50.52 | frostyfrog | I'd rather use Go or PHP. |
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| 15:00.39 | Migs | ^ |
| 15:02.37 | aeryndunham | Hmm; when an apartment says dogs and cats are fine but no "exotic pets", what does that mean? Like, can I have a guinea pig? |
| 15:10.52 | spangborn | IANAL, but Florida law defines them as http://www.andrewdstine.com/florida-animal-law-keeping-exotic-animals-as-pets/ |
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| 15:11.46 | aeryndunham | Well I thankfully wasn't thinking of keeping a gorilla or hippo in my apartment |
| 15:12.15 | spangborn | So I guess a bull in a China shop is probably out of the question. |
| 15:12.42 | aeryndunham | I just really really want a pet of some kind in the apartment |
| 15:12.54 | aeryndunham | I mean really I'd love a nice aquarium but Chris is being weird about that |
| 15:13.48 | spangborn | I have a friend that just built a reef tank. It's awesome. |
| 15:14.13 | aeryndunham | I guess his problem with fish is what if we get sent out to a ship for a week |
| 15:19.44 | aeryndunham | reef tanks are great but saltwater tanks are harder to keep |
| 15:32.00 | spangborn | Yep. It's a hell of a lot of work. |
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| 16:23.32 | jnbek | keldwud: same for me, except s/SLC/Provo/ since they put that lakeview cutoff along the north 'shore' of Provo "Bay", my commute time went from 9 minutes to 4, 2.5 if i catch the lights right, which is near impossible. |
| 16:57.11 | jlp_znc | jnbek: you still in the datacenter building? I thought they were moving everyone to Orem? |
| 16:58.00 | jnbek | jlp_znc: yea, I am, the fight about us moving was finally conceded in our favor |
| 16:58.18 | jlp_znc | well, good. |
| 16:58.28 | jlp_znc | I thought it was stupid to move everyone to the Orem office. |
| 16:59.08 | jnbek | yea, for sure, I wasn't looking forward to being back in Canyon Park, where they kill birds... half the allure for me is being able to go outside and watch the birds, water fowl, etc do their thing |
| 16:59.19 | jnbek | helps clear the mind and allow me to think, lol |
| 16:59.46 | jnbek | except of course the hawks... |
| 16:59.56 | jnbek | those fools still have it in for me |
| 16:59.56 | spangborn | Who kills birds? |
| 17:00.37 | jnbek | Canyon Park, I'm not sure if they poison them or what, but there are never any birds hanging around CP, and you can always find a dead bird around any given bldg on the campus |
| 17:00.45 | spangborn | Sad |
| 17:00.51 | spangborn | And illegal |
| 17:00.56 | jnbek | I complained once, and they were all like "yea, so?" |
| 17:01.36 | jnbek | so, yea, I'm glad we avoided moving there and staying here in East Bay |
| 17:02.51 | SunSparc | ~bird |
| 17:02.51 | infobot | somebody said bird was the word. |
| 17:03.00 | jnbek | :) |
| 17:03.55 | jnbek | only problem I have here in EB is every Aug-Oct, the hawks have their fledglings, and for some reason they see my blonde hair as a threat, so they divebomb me |
| 17:04.21 | jnbek | but that's become more of a game, cuz they cease and desist once you turn and face them |
| 17:05.02 | jnbek | they make enough racket before attacking that it gives plenty of warning |
| 17:05.08 | spangborn | Sounds like magpies in Australia |
| 17:05.10 | spangborn | They attack cyclists |
| 17:05.24 | spangborn | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGGTcYfrEZU |
| 17:05.48 | jlp_znc | put on a hat |
| 17:06.37 | jlp_znc | I walked almost every day from the bus stop to the office and never was bothered once, but I always wear a hat outside. |
| 17:06.38 | jnbek | jlp_znc: ehh, not sure that'd help too much... the hair's gotten a bit longer since last time you saw me :D |
| 17:06.44 | jlp_znc | heh heh |
| 17:07.34 | programmerq | so my company is going to be opening up "community support" positions. you'll get to answer questions about docker's open source projects. responsibilities will include keeping forums.docker.com active, pointing people in the right direction on twitter, facebook, and other social media. You could also be called in to help with paid customer issues too. It isn't posted yet, so I don't have too much info on it |
| 17:07.34 | jnbek | spangborn: wow, lol, that nonsense at 1:30 is exactly what the hawks do to me, lol |
| 17:07.36 | programmerq | yet. If you're interested, I can get you talking to our recruiter folks and they'll be able to answer questions. It won't be posted *as* a remote position, but they'll do remote for the right candidate. |
| 17:08.31 | spangborn | jnbek: Her screaming is hysterical |
| 17:08.39 | jnbek | lol, yea |
| 17:09.29 | programmerq | lol |
| 17:09.36 | programmerq | the choice of music is fantastic too |
| 17:09.45 | programmerq | I can never remember the name of the piece |
| 17:10.04 | jnbek | yar, me niether |
| 17:10.17 | jnbek | Ozzy Osbourne used to use it at the start of his concerts |
| 17:10.39 | programmerq | carmina burana: o fortuna |
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| 17:11.08 | programmerq | https://open.spotify.com/track/39TNsojSjrTcpA8fPAnSIE |
| 17:13.25 | aeryndunham | Whooo boy, they were out of cold brew so the girl just like threw extra shots of espresso in some ice coffee and I'm pretty sure I'm ending up with excessive caffeine |
| 17:13.26 | romanovic | I've been attacked by magpies while running on JRP. For some reason, right around 11100 S |
| 17:14.09 | frostyfrog | lives a caffeine free life ._. |
| 17:14.21 | jholtom | a caffeine free life is actually really nice |
| 17:14.37 | jholtom | I love my coffee, but whenever I take a break from it, its quite nice |
| 17:16.31 | SunSparc | I love my heroine, but whenever I take a break from it... |
| 17:17.07 | SunSparc | :) |
| 17:17.15 | SunSparc | Maybe I should swich to meth.. |
| 17:17.24 | jnbek | naw |
| 17:17.25 | SunSparc | ~mehstats |
| 17:17.25 | infobot | (Meh. I can't be bothered to track that.) |
| 17:17.56 | jlp_znc | heh |
| 17:18.06 | jlp_znc | ~middleman |
| 17:18.06 | infobot | Caffeine is a drug. |
| 17:18.19 | SunSparc | Food is a drug. |
| 17:18.21 | jlp_znc | you know, sometimes infobot just gets it right on. |
| 17:19.28 | jnbek | jlp_znc: oh yea |
| 17:28.19 | spangborn | I guess I like drugs |
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| 17:29.13 | unum | eightyeight: let's go to wendover https://www.wired.com/2017/02/russians-engineer-brilliant-slot-machine-cheat-casinos-no-fix/ |
| 17:29.51 | eightyeight | saw that |
| 17:30.04 | eightyeight | blows my mind that casinos are not using CSPRNGs for the RNG |
| 17:30.11 | eightyeight | seems like a no-brainer |
| 17:30.47 | eightyeight | have the machine save the CSPRNG state as a seed to disk on shutdown |
| 17:31.01 | eightyeight | on startup, have the machine read the saved seed to seed the CSPRNG before operation |
| 17:31.20 | eightyeight | then all that is needed is to seed with a TRNG on the factory floor, before putting on the casino floor |
| 17:32.12 | eightyeight | or, even better, you could permantently install a TRNG into the SOC |
| 17:32.25 | eightyeight | i mean, they're cheap to build, and not hard to do correctly |
| 17:32.48 | eightyeight | hell, just purchase a tried-and-true USB TRNG from the interwebs |
| 17:33.22 | eightyeight | and you can't say this is a new concept. TRNGs and CSPRNGs are older than electronic slot machines |
| 17:33.34 | eightyeight | </rant> |
| 17:37.04 | frostyfrog | Nobody "thinks" |
| 17:37.28 | frostyfrog | about security and cheating via the hardware :p |
| 17:38.53 | jlp_znc | and it looks like they were "hacking" an older version of machine. it would probably be hard to retrofit a good RNG into an older machine. |
| 17:41.27 | unum | it just seems like something they would have thought about before creating one |
| 17:44.40 | frostyfrog | ^ |
| 17:46.37 | jlp_znc | I assume they thought no one would ever reverse engineer their code... what OS do slot machines run, anyway? |
| 17:47.17 | jlp_znc | Thing is, even when the big casinos roll those machine out of production and buy new ones, the old machines will likely be sold off and will end up in gas stations, hotel lobbies, etc. |
| 17:47.40 | jlp_znc | so the Russians will move their operation to places that don't have the resources to track them. |
| 18:07.11 | SunSparc | Wait... the government is involved in gambling?? Why does this not surprise me more? |
| 18:07.43 | SunSparc | I think gaming casinos is less of a cheat and more of a win. |
| 18:08.08 | spangborn | Robin Hood |
| 18:08.41 | SunSparc | lol, right |
| 18:12.32 | levi | jlp_znc: mame emulates tons of gambling machines |
| 18:17.41 | SunSparc | The hackers would do well to ditch the phones an use discrete cameras, perhaps in eyeglasses or lapels that automatically upload to their remote processing centers. |
| 18:34.53 | jlp_znc | and use a smart watch that will vibrate when you're supposed to hit the button. |
| 18:35.45 | jlp_znc | so the only indicator that you're getting scammed is that the operative is waiting to push the button and not just mashing it repetedly. |
| 18:35.56 | jlp_znc | (and that your machines are losing money, of course) |
| 18:36.25 | jlp_znc | I was amused by the comment in the article that the casinos could not afford to replace all of their machines. how much $$ do they make in a day? |
| 18:36.45 | spangborn | I'd imagine the machines are pretty expensive though |
| 18:36.56 | jlp_znc | I guess much of it is earmarked for government bribes ^H^H^H^H^H^H lobbying |
| 18:39.32 | jlp_znc | huh, according to "the Internet", the average profit per day for a "typical" casino is only $73k. this is the average over the entire gambling/casino industry. |
| 18:40.02 | jlp_znc | I'm sure it is much higher for some and lower for others. |
| 18:40.34 | jlp_znc | a slot machine brings in approximately $220/day. |
| 18:43.49 | jlp_znc | Bally sells their slot machines for $9671 each. it would take a little under a month and a half to recoup the cost. |
| 18:45.43 | spangborn | brb opening a casino |
| 18:47.46 | TodPunk | I'd rather start an airline. Less regulation and starting cost. |
| 18:49.41 | programmerq | https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/5stlbs/airport_traffic_is_the_worst/ |
| 18:50.04 | spangborn | lol |
| 18:50.14 | spangborn | That is a fantastic GIF |
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| 19:11.18 | keldwud | afternoon ladies, gents, or other |
| 19:12.39 | spangborn | keldwud: how inclusive of you |
| 19:12.45 | spangborn | I'm sure infobot appreciates that |
| 19:12.49 | SunSparc | lol |
| 19:14.38 | keldwud | if you think about it, I wasn't being very inclusive of those who believe there are only two sexes and that you can only be one or the other. So that wasn't very open minded of me to exclude people who think that way. |
| 19:15.01 | spangborn | Yeah, but what sex is a robot? |
| 19:15.03 | keldwud | in fact, that would make me the opposite of inclusive, since I excluded them. |
| 19:15.13 | keldwud | spangborn: depends on what genitals it has |
| 19:15.36 | keldwud | somebody once told me that we determine sex based on genetilia |
| 19:15.51 | keldwud | hey wait a minute! |
| 19:16.10 | keldwud | I got off track. |
| 19:16.20 | keldwud | this morning I hate ate |
| 19:16.27 | keldwud | do you guys ever do that? hate eat? |
| 19:16.41 | spangborn | What exactly is hate eating? |
| 19:16.51 | spangborn | Eating something you hate just so you can complain about it? |
| 19:16.53 | programmerq | so I have a silica gel packed that broke open in my backpack and got one of the beads stuck in my laptop's headphone jack. :/ |
| 19:16.54 | keldwud | like, I ate a jimmy dean sausage egg and cheese breakfast sandwich (500 calories) and then I ate a costco giant muffin |
| 19:17.01 | keldwud | which was probably another 500 calories |
| 19:17.06 | keldwud | and drank mountain dew for breakfast |
| 19:17.09 | spangborn | programmerq: vacuum? |
| 19:17.10 | keldwud | and then ate a chocolate bar |
| 19:17.14 | keldwud | that's hate eating |
| 19:17.24 | programmerq | it's lodged as far back as it will go |
| 19:17.33 | programmerq | my plan is to heat up a needle and see if I can stab it |
| 19:17.33 | spangborn | That's some pretty good lodging |
| 19:17.51 | keldwud | stabby stabby |
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| 19:53.44 | TodPunk | keldwud: so... you ate a lot |
| 19:53.57 | TodPunk | that's the big deal? |
| 19:54.03 | TodPunk | because I do that... daily |
| 19:54.07 | keldwud | well, I ate it out of self hatred. |
| 19:54.18 | keldwud | I chose whatever foods I felt would harm my body |
| 19:54.19 | TodPunk | see, you left that out of your description |
| 19:54.24 | spangborn | Ah, so that's where the "hate" part came from |
| 19:54.26 | keldwud | and ate more than is healthy |
| 19:54.35 | spangborn | You were just being a patriotic American tbh |
| 19:54.39 | keldwud | and kept eating so that I would feel sick |
| 19:54.45 | TodPunk | I don't eat because I hate myself, I eat because IT IS DELICIOUS!!! |
| 19:55.09 | keldwud | if I wanted to eat delicious, I could have ate some raspberries, carrots and leafy greens |
| 19:55.16 | TodPunk | I'm full, you full? Yeah, let's go eat some cake! |
| 19:55.22 | keldwud | but I didn't want to eat delicious, I wanted to hate eat |
| 19:55.28 | keldwud | wanted to abuse my body |
| 19:55.35 | keldwud | and give it diabetes |
| 19:55.37 | TodPunk | that's a lie |
| 19:55.46 | TodPunk | leafy greens are not delicious |
| 19:55.50 | keldwud | I mean, why else would I eat like that? |
| 19:55.52 | TodPunk | that's a coping mechanism talking |
| 19:56.04 | keldwud | if you knowingly gave somebody diabetes, wouldn't that mean that you hate them? |
| 19:56.12 | TodPunk | no |
| 19:56.18 | keldwud | whaaaaat? |
| 19:56.20 | keldwud | for reals? |
| 19:56.25 | TodPunk | it would mean you're extremely powerful and not to be trifled with |
| 19:56.29 | keldwud | lol |
| 19:57.10 | TodPunk | eating fatty or sugary delicious foods is quite literally all your body wants in life |
| 19:57.22 | keldwud | and procreation |
| 19:57.25 | TodPunk | we temper it because it is a child and should not get everything it wants |
| 19:57.26 | keldwud | our bodies also want that |
| 19:57.32 | TodPunk | different body |
| 19:58.06 | TodPunk | we temper that one differently, too |
| 19:58.17 | TodPunk | mostly because it is a jerk |
| 20:03.06 | TodPunk | keldwud: I had Panda Express just now. I also hate myself, but the two are unrelated. |
| 20:03.43 | keldwud | for the last several weeks I've been eating a whole bowl full of gummy bears daily |
| 20:04.13 | keldwud | self loathing is the worst |
| 20:04.24 | keldwud | I'm even seeing my therapist twice a week to try and counteract it |
| 20:05.09 | keldwud | I keep thinking that it was from being burned out and overworking, but my co-workers keep telling me that having 8 hours to sleep and having four or five hours on the weekend to recharge is good enough for them so there must be something wrong with the way I process stress |
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| 20:05.27 | keldwud | and that I need to learn to manage my time better |
| 20:05.33 | spangborn | I don't think that's true |
| 20:05.39 | spangborn | Everybody is different |
| 20:05.57 | spangborn | I definitely need more than 4-5 hours on the weekend to recharge |
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| 20:20.36 | jholtom | I do nothing productive on the weekends to get myself back together |
| 20:23.16 | spangborn | I'd try avoid comparing your needs to others |
| 20:23.19 | spangborn | *to avoid |
| 20:23.26 | spangborn | Find something that works for you, and do it |
| 20:27.40 | jnbek | ^^ |
| 20:31.53 | spangborn | I say that from experience, trying to shoehorn my needs into what is seen as an established way of doing things. |
| 20:32.03 | spangborn | If anything, it makes things worse. |
| 20:34.40 | TodPunk | One thing you SHOULD compare to others: don't EVER work more than 40 hours a week consistently unless you're getting paid a ton to do it, and you have stock in the company |
| 20:34.56 | TodPunk | talent shortage my arse |
| 20:35.16 | TodPunk | Companies: Pay for your IT! |
| 20:35.29 | keldwud | TodPunk: yeah, I'm not getting paid a ton :( |
| 20:35.36 | keldwud | not for the extra hours at least |
| 20:36.25 | keldwud | I tell people here what my needs are and they're like "but I function just fine with these limited resources, why don't you?" |
| 20:37.18 | jnbek | perfect response to that: "Imagine what you could get done if you had what you actually needed" |
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| 20:49.02 | romanovic | keldwud: no recharge time is soul crushing. and if you work enough extra hours that it interferes with sleep, that's physically debilitating sometimes |
| 20:50.00 | romanovic | I've gotten pneumonia 3 times in the last decade due to a schedule that had no flexibility, just worked until I got really sick |
| 20:50.41 | romanovic | twice in the military, once right before one of my children was born and my wife was on bedrest, so I basically worked a full day at work, and did everything at home as well |
| 20:57.32 | romanovic | and it doesn't help that some people (family members) completely dismiss anything I'm doing at work. It's IT! we're just playing on computers and watching youtube all day! we have a sweet gig taking it easy with work friends while mom is at home with kids! |
| 21:19.04 | jima | spangborn: you live in WJ? or are you mocking them from afar? |
| 21:28.24 | keldwud | romanovic: yeah, I think I had more free time when I worked on a submarine. |
| 21:28.56 | keldwud | it seriously wouldn't bother me as much if my salary matched what I was working |
| 21:29.06 | keldwud | I really screwed myself in salary negotiations |
| 21:31.33 | Migs | how? |
| 21:31.50 | Migs | that sucks |
| 21:32.15 | Migs | when I'm interviewing, I just tell employers exactly how much I need, and I show them an itemized sheet outlining exactly why I need that much. |
| 21:32.20 | joshh | probably something like "i want this much" |
| 21:32.26 | joshh | "how about this lower amount" |
| 21:32.28 | joshh | "ok" |
| 21:32.54 | Migs | takes into account my current salary, the monetary values of all the benefits I get, commute time and how it would affect the time I have for freelance work, etc. |
| 21:33.31 | joshh | seems like excessive justification required |
| 21:33.56 | Migs | I don't know. Everyone I've done it with seems to appreciate seeing how I came by my requested salary number, so they know I'm not just pulling it out of thin air. |
| 21:34.09 | joshh | you should already know if the company pay bands are in the range you need, and just state your desired comp when they ask, and it shouldn't be too silly |
| 21:34.47 | Migs | I wouldn't even bother with an interview if it's out of range. I establish salary well before I even meet with anybody in person. |
| 21:35.13 | Migs | no sense in wasting their time or my time |
| 21:35.20 | joshh | just say you want to buy a boat or private plane |
| 21:36.34 | romanovic | I don't establish salary, but I do give them a marker, like "if it's at or below the national average salary for position X I won't even consider an offer" |
| 21:38.14 | romanovic | but, that's when I'm coming from a position of strength where I don't mind staying in my current position. If I were laid off or something and had to find a job quickly, I would probably consider everything |
| 21:39.37 | joshh | the only time i'd want to get into the details of my ask is if i was showing them or telling them about multiple offers for some leverage |
| 21:40.12 | joshh | if they want you, the hiring manager/recruiter/etc won't try to lowball you badly, at least at sane companies |
| 21:40.33 | joshh | but iirc migs works for a public school or something so there is that |
| 21:44.55 | Migs | yeah |
| 21:45.45 | romanovic | I never give past salary info either. I always respond $0 or "No". If they are trying gauge my potential value, ask me about my experience! conduct a technical interview! The only numbers that matter are what it will take to motivate me to move to a new company |
| 21:45.48 | Migs | Surprisingly, when I actually break down what I'd be giving up if I went somewhere else, I'm making a pretty decent wage. The pension makes a HUGE impact. |
| 21:45.58 | Migs | my salary's public info anyway, so I don't mind giving past salary. |
| 21:46.29 | joshh | what sort of ballpark pension payout are you looking at |
| 21:46.33 | romanovic | that's true. |
| 21:46.56 | joshh | i think the politics and bureacrats and morons at an environment like that would be worse than the relatively lower pay |
| 21:48.01 | Migs | in my estimates, I usually just assume I'll live to age 80 or so...that seems like a good higher-end figure. So 15 years of pension payouts. It ends up coming to just over $1 mil. If I were to receive equal compensation from another employer, I'd have to max out the 401k at $18,000/year |
| 21:48.57 | joshh | 1 mill including all your own contributions? |
| 21:49.02 | Migs | so any salary increase I take would have to be at least $18,000 more just because of that |
| 21:49.13 | Migs | it's non-contributory |
| 21:49.17 | joshh | oh nice |
| 21:49.28 | Migs | the school district also deposits 1.5% in a 401k automatically |
| 21:49.36 | Migs | nothing to write home about...I put a little in there, too |
| 21:49.40 | Migs | as well as a Roth IRA |
| 21:49.45 | joshh | that works |
| 21:50.17 | joshh | how often do you want to blow your brains out after some frustrating meeting with government workers though |
| 21:50.26 | joshh | and if never, how do you cope |
| 21:50.28 | Migs | Almost never. |
| 21:50.43 | Migs | I can only think of maybe 3 times in the past 12 years I would say "yes" to that. |
| 21:51.20 | TodPunk | guesses apathy and trolling on IRC |
| 21:51.51 | Migs | no, IRC is to keep the ADD in check |
| 21:52.38 | Migs | most of the government workers I encounter, outside of our IT department, are school administrators and teachers |
| 21:52.44 | Migs | most of them wonderful people |
| 21:53.08 | joshh | how are the managers and policies and all that |
| 21:53.15 | Migs | Blessedly awesome |
| 21:53.46 | Migs | We've had two IT directors in the time I've been here, and they've both been fantastic |
| 21:54.05 | Migs | it's a pretty laid-back environment to work in |
| 21:54.26 | Migs | Never really chasing profits or anything, or trying to make some CEO rich. Just helping teachers and kids. At the end of the day, I'm happy. |
| 21:54.32 | jima | Migs: how long have you been there? |
| 21:54.38 | Migs | 12 years this next April. |
| 21:54.58 | jima | ok, two directors in that span isn't unreasonable. |
| 21:55.04 | Migs | nah, it's not. |
| 21:55.09 | Migs | People around here don't usually leave their jobs. |
| 21:55.19 | Migs | Last director just retired...and he held off as long as he could |
| 21:55.26 | jima | i spent almost 11 years at my last job |
| 21:55.33 | joshh | is the tech there awful though? |
| 21:55.39 | joshh | there has to be a catch |
| 21:55.44 | Migs | I wouldn't say cutting edge, but no it's not awful. |
| 21:56.03 | joshh | i can only guess based on the horribleness of public school related websites |
| 21:56.08 | Migs | oh lol, no |
| 21:56.09 | jima | the tech at my last job was awful...i'd tried to leave for 7 or so years, but couldn't find anyplace willing to hire me. |
| 21:56.17 | Migs | yeah, we're not like that, thankfully |
| 21:56.43 | Migs | We try to keep up at a reasonable pace. Have some React projects going on right now...Laravel, too. We do some virtual reality development as well, which is kind of fun... |
| 21:57.28 | Migs | our engineers are pretty sharp...as a developer, though, I don't really keep up with most of what they do. But we have the budget to stay up on the hardware. |
| 21:57.41 | Migs | We have a full-time web designer to make the school sites not suck. |
| 21:58.02 | joshh | is the hardware in some server room in the basement? or colo/cloud/etc? |
| 21:58.16 | Migs | we built our own datacenter. |
| 21:58.36 | Migs | it's a nice big room in our tech warehouse |
| 21:59.18 | Migs | elevated, A/Ced, etc. I think we share an OC-48 line via UEN |
| 21:59.26 | Migs | not 100% sure on that, though |
| 21:59.42 | joshh | probably just provided by uen |
| 21:59.54 | Migs | yeah...all the school districts use UEN as the ISP |
| 22:00.09 | Migs | most charter schools, too |
| 22:00.18 | Migs | I think? |
| 22:02.10 | Migs | I've been open to getting a different job, but just haven't found anything that can compare yet. So mostly I just do contract work. |
| 22:04.41 | jima | Migs: i'm in basically the same place, minus the contract work (for which i lack the patience) |
| 22:23.24 | *** join/#utah CrowderSoup (~Crowder@50-204-66-19-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 22:35.21 | jlp_znc | the only problem with contract work is the lack of consistency. |
| 22:36.24 | jlp_znc | I don't depend on it, it's just an extra something that I can save for emergencies or use for a special trip or something. |
| 22:36.58 | jima | i already spend more time working than i should, so the prospect of spending more time...not so great. |
| 22:37.03 | jlp_znc | I don't know how those guys who only do contract work make it. when I was a contractor at Cadence, we spent way too much time negotiating contract continuation. |
| 22:37.50 | jima | yeah, i fairly regularly get inquiries about full-time contract gigs...which given the fact that i'm an FTE with mouths to feed, no thanks. |
| 22:39.05 | Migs | if I were single, I wouldn't mind. I'd probably move all around, too. |
| 22:39.15 | jima | i was talking about this with my wife yesterday, actually...if i were somehow to become unemployed, it'd be a different story, but there's no reason i'd trade gainful employment for contract uncertainty. |
| 22:39.16 | Migs | wife, 4 kids, 3 cats, 1 dog...nope. Need stability. |
| 22:39.19 | jima | yeah, there's that, too |
| 22:39.28 | jima | i'm the primary income for 7 people |
| 22:39.34 | Migs | same here. My wife's a SAHM. |
| 22:39.50 | jima | my wife's on disability, but otherwise SAHM |
| 22:40.08 | Migs | Risky ventures aren't an option, not without a safety net at least |
| 22:40.32 | Migs | I've had to turn down contract job offers that would pay nearly double what I make now |
| 22:40.55 | jima | the benefits are another counterpoint to that, particularly given the open-market features that are on the chopping block |
| 22:41.49 | jlp_znc | My wife is a retired SAHM :-) |
| 22:42.05 | jlp_znc | but she's had a lot of health issues the last few years. |
| 22:42.16 | jlp_znc | (retired in that our youngest is 18) |
| 22:44.21 | jima | i gathered :-) |
| 22:47.44 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: what distro did you end up going with for that machine you set up for your father? I have just acquired a used dell laptop and I'm thinking about giving it to my wife. she basically only uses the browser, and the machine doesn't come with an OS, so I'm looking at linux distros to put on it. |
| 22:48.38 | jlp_znc | I liked the look of that desktop screenshot you posted. nothing fancy. she's fairly used to windows 7 as that is what she has on her existing laptop. |
| 22:48.39 | aeryndunham | jlp_znc: I went with Ubuntu MATE |
| 22:49.09 | jlp_znc | did you have to do anything weird with the desktop stuff? |
| 22:49.42 | aeryndunham | nope |
| 22:49.48 | jlp_znc | thx! |
| 22:49.59 | aeryndunham | it seems to be working pretty well for him |
| 22:50.09 | aeryndunham | he figured out how to get to youtube :p |
| 22:50.17 | jlp_znc | heh heh |
| 22:50.33 | jlp_znc | I think for my wife, pintrest and ebay are the main uses. |
| 22:50.58 | Migs | Facebook for my wife |
| 22:51.12 | Migs | she just ends up angry each day because of other people's opinions |
| 22:51.16 | Migs | I wish she'd just delete the app |
| 22:51.44 | jima | that's my default state |
| 22:52.06 | jlp_znc | We have avoided facebook. |
| 22:52.15 | jlp_znc | my kids use it, but my wife and I stay away. |
| 22:52.21 | aeryndunham | My dad managed to get to youtube but then he was disappointed because he didn't realize he'd have to, like, enter search terms |
| 22:52.26 | jima | well, for me it's not about facebook specifically |
| 22:52.33 | aeryndunham | I don't know what he thought was going to happen when he for there |
| 22:52.43 | jima | aeryndunham: watch whatever was on, like tv? |
| 22:52.50 | jlp_znc | yep |
| 22:53.29 | aeryndunham | maybe, yeah |
| 22:53.32 | jlp_znc | aeryndunham: just send him this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCri-vLgSNA |
| 22:55.51 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 22:55.58 | aeryndunham | I don't think he'd know how to click on a link |
| 22:56.27 | jlp_znc | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCHKIdup5Lo <- maybe better |
| 23:18.01 | frostyfrog | https://getchip.com/pages/store I love how the HDMI adapter "Includes PICO-8" xD |
| 23:18.22 | jlp_znc | isn't that nice of it!? |
| 23:18.44 | frostyfrog | Indeed. |
| 23:19.01 | frostyfrog | Just plug the adapter into your TV and start playing games x3 |
| 23:21.40 | jlp_znc | do they have anything that isn't currently on back order? |
| 23:21.52 | jlp_znc | oh, the Pro Dev kit is apparently available. |
| 23:42.18 | spangborn | jima: Yep, I live in WJ |
| 23:42.46 | SunSparc | ~:)stats |
| 23:42.48 | infobot | total count of :) on #utah: 1864. Top 3: goozbach -- 284 (15.2%), eightyeight -- 198 (10.6%), SunSparc -- 145 (7.8%) |
| 23:42.53 | jima | hides from spangborn then |
| 23:43.02 | SunSparc | ~rlart |
| 23:43.02 | infobot | hooks into a hydrant and hoses basepi down |
| 23:43.09 | SunSparc | :) |
| 23:43.17 | jima | ok, finally escaping work, cheers everyone |
| 23:43.38 | Migs | 15 more mins for me |
| 23:55.18 | TodPunk | This is easily the most compelling thing I've looked at Azure for: https://thestack.com/cloud/2017/02/08/microsoft-azure-now-offers-patent-troll-ip-protection/ |