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| 03:02.15 | klys | ~slashdot |
| 03:04.02 | aeryndunham | headdesks and hates taxes |
| 03:05.27 | jholtom | it can't be that bad |
| 03:05.43 | klys | it's good to have a desk... |
| 03:06.29 | aeryndunham | It's not, really, except that last year I had my state refund applied to this year's taxes, and so of course Massachusetts completely changed its tax website and there is now no record of this |
| 03:07.15 | klys | hmm offices will be closed, taxes are due in april |
| 03:07.33 | aeryndunham | I wanted to get them done before I move |
| 03:08.03 | jholtom | my favorite thing is doing multiple state returns |
| 03:08.22 | aeryndunham | I won't need to because I think the new state doesn't do state taxes |
| 03:08.30 | jholtom | you what |
| 03:08.32 | aeryndunham | and I'll have only 1 month of MA tax to pay |
| 03:08.37 | aeryndunham | Some state don't have income tax |
| 03:08.50 | jholtom | ah yes, florida |
| 03:11.54 | aeryndunham | I just remember taxes being so easy last year and so I had high hopes of getting them done tonight.... NOPE |
| 03:13.33 | klys | are you in Boston? |
| 03:13.49 | aeryndunham | Right now, yeah |
| 03:14.00 | klys | I hear the omniplex is fun |
| 03:15.47 | spangborn | I finished mine tonight, woo |
| 03:16.23 | aeryndunham | I'm missing one student loan interest statement, I have a different health insurance form than the one it wants, and no way of knowing if the refund I had applied to the taxes is there. But... close? :p |
| 03:20.17 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: I despise when the previous year's return gets applied. Like, that was in my wages, this isn't extra! |
| 03:20.55 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: Oh, I chose to have it applied, I didn't need to. I got a large fed return, and I think the state was a couple hundred, maybe even less.... so I said sure, tack it on |
| 03:21.14 | TodPunk | is looking at probably about 7K this year |
| 03:21.36 | jholtom | whooo getting money back :P |
| 03:21.47 | TodPunk | always nice |
| 03:21.50 | jholtom | I'm watching them take a lot |
| 03:22.00 | TodPunk | it's good to have kids for some things |
| 03:22.02 | klys | https://www.mos.org/imax |
| 03:22.12 | jholtom | yep, no deductions for me :( |
| 03:23.01 | aeryndunham | I won't get too much back this year because I didn't pay much in Massachusetts estimated taxes... just $200 once and then WHATEVER WAS APPLIED FROM LAST YEAR GRRR |
| 03:23.18 | aeryndunham | So hopefully my federal return will just be more than I owe the state, really |
| 03:30.36 | romanovic | is worried about the state of the API work he has been commissioned to create |
| 03:32.12 | romanovic | there is a separate individual writing an iOS app consuming the API, but the app is not making use of the resources available in the API. I just keep getting additional requests to include redundant data in mega responses |
| 03:33.04 | romanovic | i.e. the API is starting to serve front-end-specific view models, and it's ugly |
| 03:33.07 | TodPunk | romanovic: wouldn't want to make 3 requests and have to correlate data... |
| 03:33.45 | TodPunk | ask them if they have any real developers over there, or if they could hire an entry level dev that didn't have the ego beyond his skills |
| 03:33.57 | romanovic | yes. apparently it is extremely difficult to cache, filter, map, or correlate any kind of data in iOS apps |
| 03:35.05 | TodPunk | dunno in the case of iOS apps, but I can't imagine that's true |
| 03:35.25 | TodPunk | I can't imagine how outrageous it would be for it to be the only platform where you can't... |
| 03:36.14 | romanovic | yeah, definitely not. this guy just seems to be really reluctant to do any kind of data manipulation in the app. just wants it handed to him ready to be presented with a little dressing up |
| 03:36.59 | TodPunk | At which point, why do you need him? That's not programming, that's gluing, and it can be done by any programmer in an afternoon |
| 03:37.43 | romanovic | hah. he's also a contractor, and we don't really have any interaction with each other's code |
| 03:38.24 | TodPunk | I'm in the wrong gig |
| 03:38.50 | TodPunk | Do you know what they're paying him? I can get it done for less. |
| 03:39.13 | TodPunk | hires his 15 year old to do it |
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| 14:34.31 | frostyfrog | morning |
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| 16:32.49 | jholtom | hi |
| 16:53.23 | SunSparc | hi |
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| 17:12.48 | unum | hello |
| 17:12.58 | jholtom | hey |
| 17:15.33 | TodPunk | HI! |
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| 17:30.57 | romanovic | privet! |
| 17:43.50 | romanovic | Hey Utah County-ites, are there any high-end health clubs in UT County? |
| 17:44.49 | jholtom | like...crazy yoga places? |
| 17:45.19 | romanovic | No, like big health clubs that are open 24 hours and have nicer amenities than say, Vasa |
| 17:45.48 | romanovic | I currently go to Lifetime Fitness in South Jordan, but will be working in Utah County soon and I can't find anything comparable in the whole county |
| 17:45.51 | jholtom | oh |
| 17:46.24 | romanovic | is not at all a fitness nut, but the extra amenities and 24 hr availability really increase the likelihood he will make the most of a gym membership |
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| 17:48.50 | spangborn | romanovic: How do you like it? |
| 17:49.05 | spangborn | I'm part of their cycling club, but haven't bothered to buy a membership |
| 17:49.44 | romanovic | I've tried some county/city rec centers in the past, 24 hr fitness in Sandy, VASA fitness. I was never motivated to exercise as much as I have been with Lifetime |
| 17:50.07 | spangborn | Have you done any of their instructor-led classes? |
| 17:50.33 | spangborn | I just wonder how much I'd actually use it |
| 17:50.37 | romanovic | I love it. It has the added benefit of being right on Jordan River Parkway, so I can go run 5 miles round trip outdoors and just walk back into the gym to clean up |
| 17:50.56 | spangborn | Oh did you join their running group then? |
| 17:51.24 | spangborn | With it being so cold, I'm tempted to start running a bit when the bike just isn't feasible |
| 17:51.49 | romanovic | spangborn: no, my schedule hasn't lined up with their running groups frequently enough. But I keep running into them when I go out running, so they've been inviting me |
| 17:52.28 | spangborn | Ah cool. I know a few people who are part of it, that's why I ask |
| 17:52.41 | romanovic | I'm really considering just keeping my membership there and suffering the extra 30 min it is going to add to my commute every day |
| 17:52.48 | romanovic | or, on exercise days |
| 17:53.00 | spangborn | It's a really nice gym, or at least it seemed like it from the tour I got |
| 17:53.10 | romanovic | but I'm worried I'll lose motivation due to the extra time required |
| 17:53.32 | romanovic | works literally next door to Lifetime Fitness right now, so it is really convenient |
| 17:54.05 | spangborn | Oh that would be super convenient |
| 17:54.08 | romanovic | spangborn: I didn't know you could join their clubs without a membership. What does it cost if you're not a member? |
| 17:54.17 | spangborn | Their outdoor clubs are free |
| 17:54.20 | spangborn | The cycling one, anyway |
| 17:54.25 | romanovic | nice |
| 17:54.32 | spangborn | They use it as a recruitment tool for their memberships when the weather goes to crap |
| 17:54.51 | spangborn | They were trying to sell people on buying a membership to do their PWRcycle class |
| 17:55.05 | spangborn | I got an indoor trainer and I've been using that with the bike instead |
| 17:55.50 | spangborn | I live right off of JRP in West Jordan, so it's easy to join their cycling group rides that start from Lifetime |
| 17:57.41 | romanovic | I'm a big fan of having a nicer locker room with sauna and steam room. I've made those my reward for working out |
| 17:58.43 | romanovic | I also like to bike to work from Herriman and spend 20 min in the sauna before going into the office next door... I'm really going to miss that. |
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| 18:20.13 | SunSparc | romanovic: What is it about Lifetime that motivates you? |
| 18:22.57 | romanovic | open 24 hrs, has a cafe on site, has indoor and outdoor pools, open 365 days a year so I can go exercise on the holidays, hot tubs, and sauna and steam room in the locker rooms (rather than just a sauna in a common area) |
| 18:23.16 | romanovic | also, so many machines that at the busiest time on the busiest days, there are always some open |
| 18:25.51 | SunSparc | Sounds nice. |
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| 18:27.29 | aeryndunham | Dang I *owe* money on taxes. How tragic. |
| 18:28.39 | romanovic | aeryndunham: that's unfortunate. A couple of years ago we owed money on taxes... and significant enough that we had to arrange a payment plan. We're probably still paying for them |
| 18:29.07 | romanovic | why do they make them so burdensome when you are working outside of the US? |
| 18:29.16 | aeryndunham | Last year I got a ridiculous refund, though, so I guess it balances |
| 18:30.02 | aeryndunham | It's because the company can deduct my federal tax from my paycheck but not state and I got lazy about paying estimated taxes this year |
| 18:32.58 | aeryndunham | Also when your health insurance is heavily subsidised it comes off your refund, looks like |
| 18:34.57 | aeryndunham | I don't owe *much*, but yeah, it does kinda sting to owe anything when in 2016 I literally spent 1 month not on a ship |
| 18:35.10 | aeryndunham | was in the US for 14 days in 2016 :p |
| 18:40.45 | aeryndunham | oh lol now I owe a fine for underpaying my estimated taxes |
| 18:41.47 | TodPunk | I have a business that hasn't had a "profit" all year, but I still have to fill out a form every quarter with a bunch of zeroes on it or the IRS will charge me lots. |
| 18:47.14 | aeryndunham | .... My mother is all "why do you owe money? what did you do??" like I've commited a damn crime |
| 18:56.51 | levi | Lots of people intentionally arrange to owe money every year; that way you get to have the difference in the mean time instead of the government. |
| 18:56.52 | frostyfrog | You robbed a bank... While you were on a cruise ship... |
| 18:57.46 | levi | I am not organized enough in my finances to make any use of that, so I generally arrange to get a refund. |
| 19:00.13 | aeryndunham | I only owe $200 at the end of the day, so it's fiiiine |
| 19:01.50 | levi | They don't usually fine people who only owe $200 at the end of the year, do they? |
| 19:02.50 | frostyfrog | would it change depending on the state? |
| 19:03.17 | levi | Oh hey, the view out my window is slightly less hazy now. |
| 19:03.50 | aeryndunham | the fine was $8 :p |
| 19:04.10 | aeryndunham | Well, I owe $900 to the state. But I got $700 in federal return. So I guess I owe $900. But. |
| 19:05.37 | aeryndunham | But, in any case, it's done |
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| 20:07.39 | romanovic | I'm envious of my coworker's display. |
| 20:07.54 | romanovic | he brought in his own 40" 4K |
| 20:08.52 | aeryndunham | ooooh |
| 20:08.56 | aeryndunham | fancy |
| 20:09.03 | romanovic | and he has a 27" next to that |
| 20:48.00 | spangborn | I robbed a cruise ship while I was in a bank |
| 21:14.28 | aeryndunham | spangborn: You robbed a cruise ship? |
| 21:14.46 | spangborn | Haha. No |
| 21:15.14 | spangborn | I probably got robbed by a cruise ship, though |
| 21:20.23 | levi | I have 5 24" monitors at my desk, plus several laptop displays, although I usually only have 2-4 24" screens and a laptop display going at once. |
| 21:21.07 | levi | Also something like a 6" digital oscilloscope display. ;) |
| 21:21.42 | aeryndunham | that sounds.... impressive |
| 21:53.47 | unum | I'm trying to decide what kind of desk I want at home |
| 21:54.02 | unum | at work I have a cheap modular thing mounted to the walls |
| 21:54.11 | unum | but wraps all the way around |
| 21:54.41 | unum | so haveing 6 monitors a couple of paper trays and assorted hardware isn't an issue |
| 21:54.47 | unum | so much horizontal space |
| 21:54.49 | unum | it's really nice |
| 21:58.18 | unum | I looked into not having anything with held, but sticking it into a bank account instead |
| 21:58.29 | unum | at the time I think I would have made a small amount |
| 21:58.47 | unum | so I decided to caluclate it again now that the amount being held is higher |
| 21:58.55 | unum | and it's completely pointless right now |
| 21:59.06 | unum | do you know what interest rates are on money market accounts? |
| 22:01.53 | jholtom | depends |
| 22:03.32 | jholtom | my money market appears to be something like 0.06% |
| 22:03.46 | jholtom | as my ABY |
| 22:03.48 | jholtom | AP& |
| 22:03.49 | jholtom | APY |
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| 22:59.43 | keldwud | is there a benefit or reason to use "salt '<target>' state.sls <state>" over "salt '<target>' state.apply <state>"? What are the differences between the two? I have been using state.apply and prefer that method but am curious as to whether I should be doing it differently |
| 23:01.52 | unum | so if you with hold $10,000(a nice round number), you'll start with holding in january and pay in april with an average of probably around $6,000 sitting in the bank(I didn't do the math). |
| 23:02.15 | unum | but let's caculate the return as if the average was $10,000 since I don't want to pull up a caculator |
| 23:02.24 | unum | you earn $60 |
| 23:03.04 | unum | oops that was high |
| 23:03.06 | unum | $6 |
| 23:03.43 | unum | if the rate was 3% you would earn $300, which would be much more tempting |
| 23:17.05 | keldwud | https://www.garyshood.com/root/ |
| 23:20.06 | TodPunk | unum: I'd rather work a small contract on a Saturday |
| 23:20.42 | TodPunk | short term interested is a min/max stage of monetary gains, and isn't that fruitful until the numbers are very high |
| 23:24.53 | jholtom | Anyone know a good custom welding/exhaust shop? |
| 23:32.23 | fungus | keldwud, state.apply <state> is a shortcut to state.sls <state> They are the same thing. |
| 23:32.52 | fungus | Also, state.apply (no args) is a shortcut to state.highstate |
| 23:33.31 | fungus | Just an easy thing to remember, and will usually do the right thing. |
| 23:33.41 | fungus | https://docs.saltstack.com/en/latest/ref/modules/all/salt.modules.state.html |
| 23:33.57 | keldwud | state.apply gives me different output than state.sls |
| 23:34.07 | keldwud | plus apply sounds like an action where sls doesn't |
| 23:34.19 | keldwud | but I might just be misunderstanding how things should be |
| 23:36.18 | keldwud | ahh, nope |
| 23:36.19 | keldwud | "It exists as a more intuitive way of applying states." |
| 23:36.29 | keldwud | I wasn't misunderstanding why I would use state.apply over state.sls |