| 00:12.08 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: gone are the days of the Stage 1 Tarball in Gentoo. It's basically like any other distro installation now. |
| 00:12.14 | TodPunk | just... a bit longer. |
| 00:12.47 | TodPunk | that said, I don't recommend Gentoo for any reason than if you want to try it |
| 00:13.04 | TodPunk | Arch is the new Gentoo popular alternative snowflake distroy |
| 00:14.01 | jholtom | pacman is awful though |
| 00:14.05 | jholtom | at least portage is lovable |
| 00:17.58 | fadein | jholtom++ |
| 00:18.11 | fadein | I've hosed multiple systems with pacman |
| 00:18.23 | fadein | at lest when I hose a system with portage, I am still able to fix it with portage... |
| 00:24.31 | TodPunk | I've hosed with portage, never tried arch, because I was done hosing systems for no benefit at that point. I'll stick with Fedora/CentOS and Ubuntu |
| 00:25.53 | eightyeight | i've hose plenty of centos systems with yum(8) |
| 00:26.00 | eightyeight | i'm done with that package manager. it's junk. |
| 00:26.17 | eightyeight | although, i'll give credit where credit is due- "yum history" is amazing |
| 00:31.42 | jholtom | dnf is a slight improvemnet in performance as well |
| 00:31.57 | jholtom | for rpm based systems |
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| 01:08.07 | aeryndunham | downloads the .iso and gives it a try. What's the worst that could happen :p |
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| 02:05.40 | aeryndunham | .... This might be going ok? And it might not. Who knows. |
| 02:08.06 | klys | you have kde on freebsd from an .iso ? |
| 02:08.37 | aeryndunham | No freebsd |
| 02:10.20 | klys | linux? which one? |
| 02:10.42 | klys | kde is p.chill with those transparent konsoles |
| 02:11.03 | klys | seems it used to crash on me a fair bit more than windows tho |
| 02:11.15 | klys | when I was using them to watch youtube |
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| 02:12.42 | aeryndunham | Always same issue. Doesn't see Wi-Fi. But Ubuntu worked out of the box... Can't be only distro |
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| 02:28.07 | jlp_znc | https://www.toptal.com/developers/sorting-algorithms <- good visual animation of sorting algorithms |
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| 02:34.47 | aeryndunham | well that was a bust |
| 02:34.57 | aeryndunham | tried to install 2 different distros and failed |
| 02:35.06 | aeryndunham | guess I need to reinstall Ubuntu then :/ |
| 02:37.55 | aeryndunham | There has GOT to be another distro where wifi just works, though |
| 02:38.59 | jholtom | hahahah |
| 02:39.05 | jholtom | just working wifi on linux |
| 02:39.08 | jholtom | what are you, delusional? |
| 02:39.56 | aeryndunham | shrugs |
| 02:40.01 | aeryndunham | it did with Ubuntu |
| 02:40.10 | aeryndunham | and my laptop lacks an ethernet port |
| 02:40.12 | aeryndunham | so it's my only option |
| 02:40.21 | spangborn | USB-> Ethernet is a useful adapter |
| 02:40.54 | spangborn | Or a ralink chipset USB wifi adapter |
| 02:42.15 | aeryndunham | yeah I should |
| 02:42.32 | aeryndunham | I had grand ideas of USB hotspotting my phone for temp connection |
| 02:42.34 | aeryndunham | but no |
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| 03:07.36 | aeryndunham | WHY DID I MESS WITH IT |
| 03:08.45 | TodPunk | curiosity |
| 03:09.02 | TodPunk | is ubuntu not doing things now? |
| 03:09.49 | aeryndunham | I can't get it to reinstall properly |
| 03:10.23 | aeryndunham | At this point I just want to give my entire HD back to macOS and run some VMs |
| 03:10.47 | klys | i support your decision to install ubuntu, let me know if you need anything |
| 03:12.10 | TodPunk | same usb stick? |
| 03:12.44 | aeryndunham | The USB is fine, partitioning has gone wrong |
| 03:13.04 | klys | use mbr with the linux fdisk utility, not efi |
| 03:13.29 | TodPunk | ah, yes, the partitioning, we had problems with that before |
| 03:13.52 | aeryndunham | We did, but I understand it now |
| 03:14.16 | TodPunk | mhmmm, so what does it seem to be doing that you're telling it not to? |
| 03:14.28 | TodPunk | or reverse of that I suppose |
| 03:14.57 | aeryndunham | Just doesn't accept whatever I tell it |
| 03:15.21 | klys | your disk may not reread the partition table if one of the partitions is mounted |
| 03:16.21 | klys | make extra sure you're not looking at a gpt partition table |
| 03:17.43 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: does it give you an error of some kind perhaps? Are you just telling it what partition to use and letting it decide how to arrange it, or are you filling things in manually? |
| 03:18.57 | aeryndunham | Filling things in manually. I was using existing partitions... 500mb ext2 for /boot, 1gb swap and the rest (52gb) ext4 for / |
| 03:20.08 | klys | if it had a gpt partition table before, you may have to zero that out |
| 03:20.25 | klys | so the kernel will detect mbr |
| 03:20.42 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: did you tell it to format each? (It doesn't automatically, and if it reuses some state from the previous it will screw things up a lot) |
| 03:20.52 | TodPunk | swap being the exception, obviously |
| 03:21.10 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I tried to format each |
| 03:21.37 | klys | with your existing layout, I would reccommend installing /boot as a vfat filesystem (just my thought.) |
| 03:21.48 | aeryndunham | At this point I honestly want to give everything back to MacOS and think about it before I go hacking my computer to bits |
| 03:22.09 | klys | I bet it's efi giving you trouble |
| 03:22.24 | klys | those mac systems seem to like efi |
| 03:22.30 | TodPunk | That's a reasonable outcome, but as long as you don't mess with the OSX partitions it's a good puzzle to solve, too |
| 03:23.20 | TodPunk | I wonder if it's trying to install grub to the USB stick or something weird like that. I've had that happen before. |
| 03:23.23 | TodPunk | Never errors then. |
| 03:23.41 | aeryndunham | The USB stick does seem to always be confusing it |
| 03:23.46 | jholtom | Mac's have to be formatted GPT to work with their EFI |
| 03:23.50 | klys | I haven't installed grub on a macbook/pro, the last person who told me about doing so said he needed grub-efi with bootcamp |
| 03:24.02 | aeryndunham | I had errors, don't know exactly what they said |
| 03:24.22 | jholtom | You'll need a VSP (EFI partition that must be vfat) so boot can be that or you can use a seperate one |
| 03:24.27 | aeryndunham | But re-growing my mac partition looks equally challenging |
| 03:24.44 | aeryndunham | First time I installed Ubuntu was so easy |
| 03:24.52 | aeryndunham | One of the other two distros o t |
| 03:25.06 | aeryndunham | I tried tonight must have been the issue |
| 03:26.00 | klys | http://www.supergrubdisk.org/ |
| 03:26.13 | TodPunk | she won't worry about gpt/mbr |
| 03:26.25 | TodPunk | OSX already formatted the disk, she's just adding to the end of it |
| 03:26.40 | aeryndunham | wants it all gone |
| 03:26.42 | aeryndunham | I |
| 03:26.51 | aeryndunham | I can start again if need be. |
| 03:26.56 | klys | you do what you want |
| 03:27.33 | aeryndunham | But..... This looks too hard |
| 03:27.55 | klys | you should take a walk or something if you are caught in a dilemma |
| 03:28.10 | aeryndunham | Installing Ubuntu properly might be easier, but I'm feeling frustrated and stupid |
| 03:28.39 | klys | I think the first step was bootcamp and step 2 was grub-efi |
| 03:29.00 | aeryndunham | And I don't WANT Ubuntu. Which is why I messed with it in the first place. But nothing else seems to see Wi-Fi out of the box. |
| 03:29.10 | TodPunk | you could also just put it off |
| 03:29.39 | klys | linux fdisk does not make efi partitions |
| 03:30.13 | klys | for that you need something like gparted |
| 03:30.25 | klys | and for that you need a live iso |
| 03:30.49 | aeryndunham | I shouldn't need parte |
| 03:31.11 | klys | linux fdisk will make you mbr partitions, and you need gpt ones |
| 03:31.13 | aeryndunham | Gparted. I've installed Ubuntu successfully on this laptop be for |
| 03:31.15 | aeryndunham | Before |
| 03:31.43 | klys | perhaps you can repartition with mac os tools |
| 03:33.09 | aeryndunham | https://i.imgur.com/hmTlOqK.jpg is what diskutil list gives me and it looks not good |
| 03:33.16 | klys | the commandline tool for gpt, I remember it now, is called gdisk |
| 03:34.54 | klys | if you want it on disk0s3, you may have to change the type to 83 (Linux) |
| 03:35.03 | klys | or something |
| 03:35.04 | klys | idk |
| 03:36.24 | klys | upon closer inspection, it looks like AAPL is consuming most all of the disk |
| 03:36.46 | aeryndunham | Ok I'll try installing once more before I do anything drastic |
| 03:39.50 | aeryndunham | Ok, here's my error : |
| 03:40.41 | aeryndunham | https://i.imgur.com/GPMnUr3.jpg |
| 03:41.37 | TodPunk | How interesting |
| 03:41.43 | TodPunk | so you need an EFI partition |
| 03:41.55 | aeryndunham | I didn't before |
| 03:41.55 | TodPunk | a tiny one |
| 03:42.04 | TodPunk | yeah, is this the same ubuntu version? |
| 03:42.09 | aeryndunham | Hmm |
| 03:42.09 | klys | oh change the type from whatever /dev/sda3 is to "EFI boot" |
| 03:42.30 | aeryndunham | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.46 | klys | the type of the partition needs to be correct |
| 03:43.09 | aeryndunham | klys: that does make the error go away |
| 03:43.16 | klys | it should, I think |
| 03:43.31 | aeryndunham | But WHY does it need EFI, I know I used ext2 for /boot before |
| 03:43.38 | klys | make it active and specify "EFI boot" |
| 03:43.51 | klys | not just "EFI" |
| 03:43.52 | aeryndunham | There is no option for EFI boot, just EFI |
| 03:43.57 | klys | oh |
| 03:44.04 | klys | have you tried the gpart thing yet |
| 03:44.09 | klys | gdisk* |
| 03:44.59 | klys | ah |
| 03:45.15 | klys | it's *not* the same as the /boot partition |
| 03:45.24 | klys | was reading that wrong |
| 03:46.12 | klys | just make that extra partition at the size it recommends and don't mount it anywhere |
| 03:46.13 | aeryndunham | is deluding herself thinking she'll ever be good at this |
| 03:46.26 | klys | :) |
| 03:48.10 | aeryndunham | Well, it's doing something |
| 03:48.15 | klys | cool |
| 03:49.19 | aeryndunham | I'm mad at myself for messing with it. |
| 03:49.24 | aeryndunham | Ubuntu was working fine. |
| 03:49.34 | TodPunk | You're learning quite a bit though |
| 03:49.38 | klys | heh, messing should never have been a word imo |
| 03:49.40 | aeryndunham | I guess |
| 03:49.47 | TodPunk | no guess, you totes are |
| 03:49.58 | aeryndunham | I'm always just terrified I'll break my computer |
| 03:50.07 | klys | fair enough |
| 03:50.14 | aeryndunham | I've only got the one |
| 03:50.56 | TodPunk | You backed it up, worst case it's just annoying |
| 03:51.16 | aeryndunham | I backed up the files, yeah |
| 03:51.39 | TodPunk | So you need a 50 MB partition that's EFI |
| 03:51.48 | klys | programs may be another story, well anyway it seems to know where mac os x is sitting |
| 03:51.49 | aeryndunham | But it worries me how difficult it seems to be to get rid of the partitions and put it all back how it started |
| 03:52.17 | TodPunk | to be fair, you're not putting it back how it started, you're using a different Ubuntu version, which seems to embrace EFI =cP |
| 03:52.29 | jholtom | EFI is not an option, it is a requirement |
| 03:52.30 | TodPunk | process is important |
| 03:52.40 | aeryndunham | It WAS installing. Now it looks kinda stuck. |
| 03:52.52 | klys | jholtom, for the macbook it seems so |
| 03:52.55 | TodPunk | jholtom: it wasn't required to setup a separate partition for it |
| 03:53.14 | jholtom | klys: thats because its an EFI bootloader and has been since the inception. There has never been BIOS support on a mac |
| 03:53.19 | aeryndunham | This was literally so easy last time |
| 03:53.26 | jholtom | TodPunk: yes, because there is one already there thanks to mac |
| 03:54.03 | jholtom | sorry, I need more coffee :P |
| 03:54.16 | klys | jholtom, are you a mac user |
| 03:55.06 | jholtom | klys: I've used a ton in the past and am beyond familiar with EFI :P |
| 03:55.17 | aeryndunham | Oh yuck I thought it seemed stuck so I expanded 'Details' and errors all |
| 03:55.21 | aeryndunham | Over the place |
| 03:55.41 | jholtom | I used to admin macs |
| 03:55.51 | aeryndunham | wishes she has never partitioned anything |
| 03:57.08 | aeryndunham | wants it back how it was before ð |
| 04:00.39 | jholtom | zfs rollback |
| 04:01.51 | klys | jholtom, so eh, what do you think of CloverEFI |
| 04:02.11 | jholtom | as a nifty little hack to run a hackintosh? |
| 04:02.13 | jholtom | its brilliant |
| 04:02.18 | klys | :) |
| 04:02.29 | jholtom | however, as someone who has run several generations of hackintosh |
| 04:02.41 | jholtom | I think that whole ordeal is ultimately not worth it |
| 04:05.33 | klys | jholtom, could you explain bootcamp to me a little |
| 04:09.03 | aeryndunham | I don't know exactly how it works but was very simple to set up |
| 04:09.25 | aeryndunham | Wow gparted is great |
| 04:09.33 | klys | :) |
| 04:10.01 | aeryndunham | Back to no partitions |
| 04:11.02 | jholtom | klys: basically all it does is create an extra partition, set the boot target in EFI to the windows installer, you install to the extra partition, then it takes and stuffs the windows bootloader (bootmgfw.efi) as an option in its little menu thing |
| 04:11.07 | jholtom | apple then provides some drivers |
| 04:11.11 | jholtom | and bing bang boom |
| 04:11.11 | jholtom | all done |
| 04:11.16 | jholtom | windows supports EFI :P |
| 04:11.47 | klys | are you supposed to load grub2-efi from bootcamp also? |
| 04:12.12 | jholtom | you could in theory if you manually swapped the targets |
| 04:12.27 | klys | yeah sounds familiar |
| 04:12.29 | jholtom | but no, most people typically either set their main EFI loader to rEFInd, or GRUB |
| 04:12.41 | jholtom | and manually swapping the EFI target is what those apps do |
| 04:13.20 | klys | jholtom, what's the default? |
| 04:13.22 | jholtom | windows has had EFI support since XP |
| 04:13.25 | jholtom | klys: for....? |
| 04:13.38 | klys | for a macbook/pro as the main efi loader |
| 04:13.48 | jholtom | oh, the built-in apple loader that kicks off the darwin kernel |
| 04:14.01 | klys | oh, I suppose it doesn't have a name. |
| 04:14.15 | jholtom | it probably does, I just don't know what it is |
| 04:14.23 | jholtom | ah yes |
| 04:14.24 | jholtom | BootX |
| 04:14.27 | klys | o |
| 04:14.49 | jholtom | well, that was the original name |
| 04:14.52 | klys | can grub2 load BootX |
| 04:14.54 | jholtom | for the ppc macs that were EFI |
| 04:14.58 | jholtom | klys: yes |
| 04:15.08 | jholtom | grub2 can also boot the darwin kernel without extra help though |
| 04:15.16 | jholtom | so no need to chainload to the apple loader |
| 04:15.47 | klys | I'm thinking ike this: CoverEFI -> grub2-efi -> grub -> grub2 -> BootX |
| 04:15.52 | jholtom | wtf why |
| 04:16.06 | klys | well just to try out Clover EFI |
| 04:16.12 | jholtom | on a mac? |
| 04:16.16 | klys | on a pc |
| 04:16.18 | jholtom | oh ok |
| 04:16.22 | jholtom | well for one |
| 04:16.27 | jholtom | BootX/the apple loader won't run on a PC |
| 04:16.32 | jholtom | which is why CloverEFI exists |
| 04:16.38 | klys | ah |
| 04:16.53 | jholtom | it fakes most of the mac's bootup initialization and the apple loader's actions |
| 04:17.23 | TodPunk | yessssss gparted |
| 04:17.24 | klys | would you need a macbook/pro to properly support them? |
| 04:17.34 | jholtom | what do you mean by that? |
| 04:17.46 | jholtom | to actually use BootX/the apple loader, you need a real mac |
| 04:17.57 | klys | you're experienced at supporting macs, so I thought I'd ask |
| 04:17.57 | jholtom | to make OSX run, all you need is something that can fake it well enough |
| 04:18.05 | jholtom | oh, you mean to manage them |
| 04:18.17 | jholtom | I ran linux most of the time, you need to have at least one mac around though |
| 04:18.22 | klys | ah |
| 04:18.25 | jholtom | it was a very mixed environment |
| 04:18.36 | jholtom | little windows here, little mac there, most mac's were domain joined |
| 04:18.49 | jholtom | which is always an adventure mind you |
| 04:19.10 | klys | does the (X.500?) domain server have per-seat licensing like edirectory |
| 04:19.18 | jholtom | AD |
| 04:19.24 | jholtom | and it depends on how you do it |
| 04:19.56 | klys | yeah I never tried it since it's microsoft and figured I'd get by with openldap |
| 04:20.03 | jholtom | AD is basically hell |
| 04:20.06 | klys | I have a book on LDAP here |
| 04:20.08 | jholtom | but also incredibly useful |
| 04:20.50 | klys | I guess you can store images in the LDAP database too |
| 04:21.05 | jholtom | if you're a total nutter, but you *could* |
| 04:21.15 | klys | hehe |
| 04:22.27 | klys | what are you up to today, anyways |
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| 04:22.48 | aeryndunham | goes crawling back to VMs for now like the n00b that she is |
| 04:23.14 | jholtom | me? |
| 04:23.18 | klys | yes |
| 04:23.21 | jholtom | I went skiing |
| 04:23.25 | klys | wauw |
| 04:23.49 | klys | aeryndunham, freedos 1.2 is out on .iso |
| 04:23.57 | aeryndunham | freedos lol |
| 04:24.01 | klys | =) |
| 04:24.02 | jholtom | just upgrade to OS/2 WARP |
| 04:24.19 | klys | I can't get os/2 ecomstation to install on any of my pcs |
| 04:24.30 | aeryndunham | I'd actually LOVE to set up VMs of both OS/2 Warp and BeOS; I've never seen either |
| 04:24.35 | klys | the installer just freezes up |
| 04:25.19 | klys | suppose I could try it on this new AMD MP rig I got last month tho |
| 04:25.21 | jholtom | its not too tricky to do |
| 04:25.27 | jholtom | *to |
| 04:25.39 | jholtom | klys: yep, I'm a total bum |
| 04:25.46 | klys | =) |
| 04:26.02 | klys | it isn't exactly new |
| 04:26.11 | klys | more 2003-esque |
| 04:26.53 | klys | I like how it's made in USA and has two sockets on the motherboard |
| 04:37.40 | aeryndunham | ....... |
| 04:37.49 | aeryndunham | even now just trying to set up some VMs nothing is working |
| 04:37.54 | aeryndunham | doesn't understand |
| 04:37.57 | aeryndunham | I KNOW how to set up a VM |
| 04:38.47 | aeryndunham | nevermind |
| 04:38.51 | aeryndunham | it was just taking its time |
| 04:40.37 | aeryndunham | eew gnome |
| 04:46.26 | aeryndunham | goes back to basics and resolves to use a bunch of VMs so she KNOWS which distro she wants to install for realisiea |
| 04:46.56 | TodPunk | needs to look at KDE again |
| 04:47.06 | aeryndunham | I love KDE |
| 04:47.53 | aeryndunham | hence my trying both Tumbleweed and KDE Neon |
| 04:48.33 | aeryndunham | They both installed fine, it's just the damn wifi |
| 05:03.47 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: You use Linux now? Just not KDE? Let me guess, you use some kind of tiling wm |
| 05:06.23 | TodPunk | I use Linux for a bunch of servers. I use it as a desktop in two places. My work desktop, and a music box (it just plays out to speakers from a network share) |
| 05:06.28 | TodPunk | Ubuntu desktop |
| 05:13.15 | aeryndunham | ah |
| 05:13.49 | TodPunk | I did Fedora Core for a long while at work, though, but still Gnome |
| 05:18.27 | aeryndunham | grr software rendering mode |
| 05:18.30 | aeryndunham | i know i fixed this before |
| 05:20.09 | aeryndunham | calls it a day |
| 05:20.12 | levi | I ran OS/2 on one of my computers back in the day. |
| 05:21.32 | aeryndunham | I'm feeling frustrated with my incompetence but I think I actually did ok today |
| 05:22.55 | spangborn | You're hardly incompetent. ;p |
| 05:26.34 | aeryndunham | oh, i know |
| 05:26.40 | aeryndunham | but I get easily frustrated |
| 05:26.55 | aeryndunham | I understand that installing linux on a macbook is not super simple |
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| 05:38.56 | aeryndunham | MacBook asked if it could install an update so I took the opportunity to make myself go to bed. |
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| 07:47.59 | klys | ~slashdot |
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| 15:06.53 | frostyfrog | Morning |
| 15:07.07 | frostyfrog | looks back at the KDE stuff in the logs. |
| 15:07.29 | frostyfrog | looks away, it was a bad move >_> |
| 15:23.19 | jholtom | Haha |
| 15:27.41 | frostyfrog | I'm probably gonna get a bunch of crap for this comment, but.... IMO, KDE is like the last design on http://theoatmeal.com/comics/design_hell except a bit worse. >_> It's like taking the old mac OS X dock and applying that shiny theme to EVERYTHING. |
| 15:28.09 | frostyfrog | With rounded corners, too. |
| 15:31.27 | jholtom | Lol |
| 16:59.59 | *** join/#utah SunSparc (~jonathan@45.56.57.85) |
| 17:25.53 | levi | I'm not a huge KDE fan, but that aesthetic critique doesn't make a lot of sense to me. |
| 17:28.41 | jholtom | well, Breeze does not look anything like rounded corners |
| 17:28.46 | jholtom | its following the new flat aesthetic |
| 17:29.06 | jholtom | maybe KDE 4 suffered from roundness, but that was the design craze at time of inception, so.... |
| 17:37.43 | levi | KDE doesn't really feel like it has anythig to do with the old OS X dock either. It's always been a Windows-style taskbar, and it's sort of following the newer Windows trends there. |
| 17:51.30 | jholtom | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/christian-science |
| 17:51.32 | jholtom | Classic |
| 18:00.17 | frostyfrog | I was referring to the shiny-ness. It looks like it was KDE 4 that I have a lot of issues with (I use centos, so that's probably what I was stuck with >_>) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Kde4.7-screenshot.png |
| 18:00.55 | frostyfrog | KDE5 looks a lot nicer, assuming that this mockup is close to an actual desktop. http://www.deviantart.com/art/KDE-5-mockup-2-0-445044427 |
| 18:01.59 | jholtom | https://www.kde.org/announcements/plasma5.0/index.php |
| 18:02.07 | jholtom | KDE for the most part looks very nice these days |
| 18:43.39 | frostyfrog | Indeed |
| 18:46.07 | *** join/#utah aeryndunham (~aeryndunh@pool-173-76-194-182.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) |
| 19:39.57 | levi | Yeah, that screenshot does overuse the gradients, drop-shadows, and transparency just a bit. |
| 19:41.21 | levi | Ugh, debugging complex cmake builds is mind-killing. |
| 20:11.28 | frostyfrog | o.o "complex cmake builds" yeeeeaaaahhhh... *hides from the complex, mostlikely unorganized, files* |
| 20:15.39 | keldwud | the cmake is a lie |
| 20:16.46 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 20:25.05 | frostyfrog | Hey, aeryndunham :3 How goes the mac/linux combo? |
| 20:25.25 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: Linux... went bye-bye |
| 20:25.35 | frostyfrog | Awwww :( |
| 20:26.14 | aeryndunham | I'd like to get it back at some point; although I've had this computer so long it's hard to find the space to dual boot; especially after I let the mac update last night |
| 20:29.15 | aeryndunham | I might try again, thuogh |
| 20:30.27 | aeryndunham | Or I might look into finding a cheapish laptop to put Linux on |
| 20:30.40 | keldwud | oooh |
| 20:30.57 | keldwud | talk dirty to me |
| 20:31.07 | keldwud | love me some linux talk |
| 20:32.14 | aeryndunham | hah |
| 20:32.23 | frostyfrog | /usr/src/linux/usr/gen_init_cpio initramfs.list > initramfs.cpio |
| 20:32.46 | aeryndunham | I have enough space on this computer, I think, but I might need to get a usb - ethernet adaptor before I try installing anything again |
| 20:33.03 | keldwud | omg |
| 20:33.08 | keldwud | frostyfrog: <3 |
| 20:33.31 | keldwud | now do it uefi style |
| 20:33.40 | keldwud | and that will *really* get me going |
| 20:33.59 | aeryndunham | I did fix homebrew on my mac; that |
| 20:34.04 | frostyfrog | had to do it once while setting up gentoo. Suffice it to say, they learned how truely fragile linux could seem. |
| 20:34.04 | aeryndunham | that was linux-y :P |
| 20:35.35 | aeryndunham | I also installed another programming language I'll never learn how to write in :P |
| 20:35.46 | keldwud | which one? |
| 20:35.47 | keldwud | go? |
| 20:35.51 | keldwud | lisp? |
| 20:36.15 | frostyfrog | bash? *runs* |
| 20:36.26 | aeryndunham | Go |
| 20:36.42 | aeryndunham | You know, to keep my very neglected Python and Haskell and Scala company :p |
| 20:37.26 | frostyfrog | Vim makes for a nice Go IDE ;p |
| 20:37.57 | aeryndunham | I'm not quite cool enough to use vim |
| 20:38.01 | aeryndunham | I mean I use it if I need to |
| 20:38.12 | aeryndunham | But if I'm writing anything it's in Atom |
| 20:40.33 | aeryndunham | all I know about Go is that people like it |
| 20:41.55 | frostyfrog | https://i.gyazo.com/ff6a7e651889e798892347f9dc460fa2.gif |
| 20:43.06 | frostyfrog | It's considered type safe. easy to write in. has unit testing built into the core from the start. there are no warnings, only errors.... |
| 20:47.54 | aeryndunham | of course to work on ANY of the languages I'm trying to learn or finally fix the CSS on my website I'd need to stop playing video games for 5 mins :p |
| 20:48.35 | frostyfrog | video games? |
| 20:48.45 | aeryndunham | has fallen into a Sims black hole |
| 20:48.55 | frostyfrog | doesn't play sims |
| 20:49.35 | aeryndunham | I love it |
| 20:49.42 | aeryndunham | I almost bought 2 games today but $$$ |
| 20:50.51 | frostyfrog | don't you need $$$ to fly to Miami? |
| 20:51.20 | frostyfrog | Or wherever in florida you were going? |
| 20:51.39 | aeryndunham | I'm OK. I have money. I just... shouldn't impulse buy $150 worth of video games |
| 20:51.57 | aeryndunham | I mean they do pay me at my horrible job :p |
| 20:52.20 | frostyfrog | Which games? |
| 20:52.43 | aeryndunham | I wanted Civ VI and I wanted, uh, the latest WoW expansion (sorrynotsorry) |
| 20:53.21 | frostyfrog | Hey, WoW's a good game |
| 20:53.45 | frostyfrog | It just has this crummy thing called a subscription. |
| 20:54.04 | aeryndunham | yeah |
| 20:54.12 | aeryndunham | I usually play when I'm home |
| 20:54.27 | aeryndunham | and resubscribing, no big deal.... but I couldn't possibly play and NOT have Legion |
| 20:56.15 | frostyfrog | Hmmm... |
| 20:58.03 | frostyfrog | Civ 4, eh? |
| 20:59.07 | aeryndunham | 6 |
| 20:59.10 | frostyfrog | Wait, that's VI. 6 ;-; |
| 20:59.15 | aeryndunham | I have 5 |
| 20:59.35 | frostyfrog | 6 hasn't been in a humble bundle >_> |
| 21:00.31 | aeryndunham | hah, yeah, unlikely |
| 21:02.01 | TodPunk | recently got his kids playing Civ III together |
| 21:02.13 | TodPunk | I did an afternoon game with them thinking "this will just take an hour or two" |
| 21:02.25 | TodPunk | 6 hours later one of them crashed and I was just so thankful |
| 21:02.39 | frostyfrog | It's a Civ game, what did you expect? :p |
| 21:04.49 | frostyfrog | Some other good long ones are: Starbound, Factorio (Hey, it can be long if you don't rush it!), Minecraft, Terraria, Anno series, and a few more that I can't remember. |
| 21:18.33 | SunSparc | frostyfrog: I was recently introduced to Factorio and added it to my Steam wishlist. Have not bought it yet because I am pretty sure I would be sucked in. |
| 21:18.56 | SunSparc | I am already still sucked into Minecraft and League of Legends with my kids. |
| 21:24.21 | frostyfrog | couldn't get into league due to the learning curve. |
| 21:25.15 | SunSparc | Yeah, despite it being a basic tower defense game, there is a bit of a curve due to all the different champions abilities. |
| 21:25.16 | frostyfrog | But yeah, I'll agree. You would most likely get sucked into Factorio, SunSparc. |
| 21:25.40 | frostyfrog | found DOTA 2 to be easier to get the hang of. |
| 21:25.49 | SunSparc | I watched a video of someone playing Factorio and it looked really fun. |
| 21:26.00 | frostyfrog | it is! |
| 21:26.51 | SunSparc | I bought Elite Dangerous a year or so ago and played it long enough to realize that I was going to get sucked in if I stayed much longer. |
| 21:27.07 | SunSparc | Different genre, but very immersive. |
| 21:32.41 | romanovic | SunSparc: did you play in VR? |
| 21:33.07 | romanovic | that's one game I really want to try if I ever get an oculus rift |
| 21:33.36 | jholtom | http://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?topic=84173.0 |
| 21:33.39 | jholtom | I really want to do this to my RV |
| 21:37.11 | SunSparc | romanovic: No, but that would be awesome. I recently tried Oculus Rift. So incredibly immersive. |
| 21:41.35 | aeryndunham | ooh sad day, my fave wallpaper site seems to be no more |
| 21:43.07 | SunSparc | gives aeryndunham a new favorite wallpaper site: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html |
| 21:43.31 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: a) what was it, and b) why do you have a wallpaper site? |
| 21:43.45 | aeryndunham | I change my wallpaper a lot? |
| 21:43.52 | aeryndunham | interfacelift.com it was |
| 21:44.01 | TodPunk | I think I change my wallpaper once every few years, and I only ever SEE my wallpaper about 8 times a year |
| 21:44.18 | TodPunk | so the curiosity is based on my inability to relate |
| 21:44.29 | aeryndunham | oh haha I see mine a lot |
| 21:44.32 | SunSparc | Yeah, I rarely see my desktop. |
| 21:45.33 | TodPunk | typically has about 12-20 applications running on his desktops |
| 21:45.42 | TodPunk | my laptop will only run about 4 at a time, though |
| 21:45.51 | TodPunk | but at least one of them is going to be full-screen |
| 21:55.28 | aeryndunham | whoo I rememberd the command to give a virtualbox vm 256mb of vram without looking it up \o/ |
| 21:59.19 | frostyfrog | hasn't tried the oculus, but prefers the Vive over any other VR tech that they know about. |
| 21:59.48 | aeryndunham | I haven't tried any VR |
| 22:00.29 | romanovic | wants to try the vive, but has no windows machines and isn't willing to install windows for VR |
| 22:01.15 | romanovic | I think I'm going to build a new windows gaming machine one of these days. then I'll try VR |
| 22:01.16 | keldwud | aeryndunham: was it something like vboxmanage blah blah blah? |
| 22:01.36 | aeryndunham | vboxmanage modifyvm Name --vram 256, yeah |
| 22:03.37 | frostyfrog | has terminal windows that show the desktop background. They rarely ever see their desktop directly |
| 22:04.04 | frostyfrog | ... um.... |
| 22:04.45 | frostyfrog | Oops, how did I not notice that convo before I talked about VR? And how did I forget about talking about VR? *confused* |
| 22:17.16 | SunSparc | ~reboot frostyfrog |
| 22:17.16 | infobot | ACTION pushes frostyfrog's reset button |
| 22:18.07 | frostyfrog | Reboot signal acknowledged... Rebooting. |
| 22:18.37 | frostyfrog | FrostyOS starting |
| 22:19.03 | frostyfrog | 987EB Storage device detected. |
| 22:19.11 | frostyfrog | 2TB RAM detected |
| 22:19.29 | frostyfrog | Loading drivers |
| 22:20.05 | frostyfrog | Kernel Panic |
| 22:20.06 | frostyfrog | Drivers not found |
| 22:20.06 | frostyfrog | Beginning reboot loop up to 5 attempts |
| 22:22.13 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:22.35 | frostyfrog | ;p |
| 22:22.36 | SunSparc | Who needs drivers when you have 2TB of RAM :) |
| 22:23.29 | frostyfrog | The brain needs to know how to control the arms and legs somehow |
| 22:24.08 | SunSparc | What? Why can't they all just get along independently? |
| 22:26.33 | frostyfrog | Infant/pre-birth brain: |
| 22:26.33 | frostyfrog | WARNING: APIs non-existant. Discovering APIs by brute force. |
| 22:26.57 | frostyfrog | And thus, drivers are created. |
| 22:59.55 | aeryndunham | ugh my mother is being all passive-aggressive; she asked me to order one thing for her since I was ordering from Amazon anyway, I told her not to worry about paying for it and now I'm getting all this "do you think I'm POOR" nonsense |
| 23:00.06 | aeryndunham | mutters about just trying to do nice things :p |
| 23:02.59 | keldwud | shame on you |
| 23:07.29 | SunSparc | aeryndunham: if you can, don't take it personally. :) |
| 23:08.55 | aeryndunham | I need to remember to go out tomorrow and get allergy pills |
| 23:08.58 | aeryndunham | my house is killing me |
| 23:10.30 | SunSparc | Better or worse than the boat? |
| 23:10.54 | frostyfrog | Do they have those on amazon? (jk) |
| 23:11.24 | aeryndunham | well the ship is bad for a lot of reasons but I don't think I'm actively allergic to it |
| 23:11.50 | aeryndunham | When either of my brothers or I come stay at this house, we're all instant sneezing and stuffy and watery eyes |
| 23:12.10 | aeryndunham | so it's probably mold or something and it doesn't affect my parents because they've been here so long |
| 23:13.07 | SunSparc | Bummer |
| 23:13.37 | aeryndunham | it's very unpleasant |
| 23:13.47 | aeryndunham | I like my parents house |
| 23:14.11 | aeryndunham | I just don't like sneezing all day :P |
| 23:24.13 | SunSparc | I would not like that either. I do not enjoy sneezing at all. |
