| 00:00.22 | levi | Show up, eat pizza, chat with people about techy topics, watch someone hack or hack on something yourself. It's fairly unstructured, but occasionally there are a couple of people with specific things they're working on or questions/help they'd like to get. |
| 00:02.16 | romanovic | really wants to attend more Hack a thons |
| 00:02.19 | romanovic | but, children |
| 00:08.23 | TodPunk | romanovic: we're pretty kid-friendly, but a bit out of your way I think |
| 00:09.41 | TodPunk | programmerq: we have enough absolute tech newbies that you'll be able to converse with most anyway, and if you want to fiddle with something to get exposure to it, there's always that, too |
| 00:14.42 | frostyfrog | hasn't been paying attention to the slack channel or anything for a while >_> Too busy with life. |
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| 16:04.20 | programmerq | morning |
| 16:09.40 | jholtom | Gmorning |
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| 17:01.02 | aeryndunham | Hello! |
| 17:01.54 | programmerq | hello |
| 17:04.35 | romanovic | good morning! |
| 17:06.23 | aeryndunham | How is everyone? |
| 17:06.35 | aeryndunham | has been off the Internet for a few days |
| 17:07.36 | jholtom | cold and snowy |
| 17:07.55 | jholtom | but happy because powdery goodness in the mountains |
| 17:07.57 | jholtom | how are you? |
| 17:08.40 | aeryndunham | It has been so incredibly nice to vegetate on a couch for a few days |
| 17:11.29 | unum | I've been learning zend |
| 17:11.52 | aeryndunham | Today's project is turning an old and kinda broken macbook into something my Dad can use. He's decided he wants to learn basic computer stuff, but my mother 100% will not let him touch her computer. |
| 17:15.18 | romanovic | fun |
| 17:16.27 | aeryndunham | My plan is to make Ubuntu Mate (looks lightweight enough for this machine) look as much as OSX as possible and he probably won't know the difference |
| 17:16.44 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 17:17.02 | romanovic | nice. |
| 17:17.03 | frostyfrog | would've tried starting with xubuntu or something else. |
| 17:17.06 | aeryndunham | He can't use ANY computer. If I was kinda familiar with any OS, I'd get him that |
| 17:17.17 | aeryndunham | eh, if Mate doesn't work on it, I'll try something else |
| 17:17.21 | romanovic | I threw linux mint with Mate on an old laptop, and it ran very well. Faster than windows ever did |
| 17:19.56 | frostyfrog | That reminds me (in a round-a-bout way) that iCalender once started using 6GB of ram when my machine only had 8GB >_> |
| 17:20.21 | aeryndunham | omg I don't know the password on this computer |
| 17:21.08 | frostyfrog | aeryndunham: You like to do IT work, right? |
| 17:21.18 | frostyfrog | This might be worth it... http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/ |
| 17:21.24 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: I do |
| 17:21.51 | frostyfrog | $26 for both the mac os X and the windows version, it appears. |
| 17:22.04 | frostyfrog | (for personal use) |
| 17:22.06 | aeryndunham | The password hint makes sense to me, I remember having that password, but it's not taking it :( |
| 17:22.15 | aeryndunham | well this is embarrassing :P |
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| 17:23.30 | jholtom | cmd^s on bootup |
| 17:23.35 | jholtom | use dsutil to reset password |
| 17:23.37 | jholtom | ??? |
| 17:23.38 | jholtom | profit |
| 17:23.42 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 17:24.38 | aeryndunham | The hint literally says, in Chinese, "Your Chinese name in Pinyin". Very little room for ambiguity there :p |
| 17:24.51 | frostyfrog | capitalization |
| 17:25.24 | jholtom | what is your chinese name? |
| 17:25.55 | aeryndunham | è«æ´ç³ |
| 17:26.19 | jholtom | I can see that |
| 17:28.58 | frostyfrog | has no idea how to pronounce that :p |
| 17:29.11 | frostyfrog | I recognize some of the radicals though ^.^ |
| 17:29.50 | aeryndunham | the surname is Mo, and then Jie Lin (this was only ever my password on that computer back in the day :p ) |
| 17:30.12 | aeryndunham | isn't Chinese, but that was the name they gave me when I studied in China |
| 17:31.05 | spangborn | Hai |
| 17:31.36 | frostyfrog | :3 |
| 17:31.42 | frostyfrog | Herro spangborn |
| 17:33.04 | jholtom | aeryndunham: yep thats 100% a name they would give you if I think I have your english name right |
| 17:33.19 | aeryndunham | No, yeah, it was a good one |
| 17:33.35 | jholtom | I'd be proud of it |
| 17:33.40 | aeryndunham | Made sense re: my real name, and still doesn't blatantly sound like a foreigner's name; there are Chinese girls named Jielin |
| 17:36.42 | frostyfrog | ^ |
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| 17:50.15 | aeryndunham | Booted with Cmd+S. Whoa. Did not know I could do this. |
| 17:50.25 | aeryndunham | now needs to figure out how to reset password :p |
| 17:50.29 | spangborn | Single user mode ftw |
| 17:50.40 | spangborn | $ passed |
| 17:50.42 | spangborn | *passwd |
| 17:50.45 | spangborn | Thanks, iOS |
| 17:51.04 | aeryndunham | passwd doesn't work |
| 17:51.53 | aeryndunham | is googling, no worries |
| 17:53.28 | spangborn | Oh right, you probably have to mount a bunch of stuff |
| 17:53.35 | aeryndunham | yeah, is looking that way |
| 17:53.51 | spangborn | Because the root filesystem doesn't get mounted |
| 18:03.14 | jholtom | mount -uw / |
| 18:03.38 | aeryndunham | yep, did that |
| 18:03.41 | jholtom | then you can passwd, but OSX actually uses DS, so you need to start the directory services and use dsutil |
| 18:13.49 | aeryndunham | success \o/ |
| 18:15.06 | aeryndunham | Many thanks for the assistance |
| 18:16.16 | jholtom | yay! |
| 18:16.17 | jholtom | good for you |
| 18:17.58 | aeryndunham | seriously? unetbootin can't read exfat? |
| 18:18.05 | aeryndunham | laughs and the absurdity of all this |
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| 18:25.19 | levi | aeryndunham: Welcome to Linux. And the world of computers in general once you get beneath the shiny outer layer. It's absurdities all the way down! |
| 18:25.50 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 18:27.04 | levi | There are some serious WTFs at the CPU layer too. Someday, you'll have to look at the stuff an OS has to do just to boot on an x86 machine. |
| 18:27.25 | jholtom | Hahahahaha |
| 18:27.33 | jholtom | Until it's not so funny |
| 18:27.57 | levi | It's always funny... from a certain point of view. |
| 18:28.56 | jholtom | Just browse the ISA for x86_64 |
| 18:30.34 | levi | All modern ISAs are huge and funky now. RISC is dead. |
| 18:35.44 | levi | I grabbed the latest Power architecture spec a while ago while working on a newer Power-based embedded device. Way huge and funky with tons of optional instruction sets and now with a variable-length instruction encoding mode! |
| 18:37.21 | levi | ARM has had a second variable-length encoding (THUMB) for a while, now with a couple of different versions, and also has tons of extended instruction sets for various processor families. |
| 18:39.02 | levi | MIPS is probably the most true to its RISC roots among processors you might conceivably write code for without being way into the embedded systems world. But it's even losing its grip on the network device market. |
| 18:41.38 | aeryndunham | "this usb device will not boot off a mac. please insert into a PC" |
| 18:41.41 | aeryndunham | headdesks |
| 18:42.31 | frostyfrog | What surprised me was that the entire initramfs (the thing that mounts your root filesystem or drops you to rescue mode) was just a statically compiled busybox setup running a bash script. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs/Examples |
| 18:45.05 | aeryndunham | quickly runs out of options here :/ |
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| 18:50.48 | aeryndunham | if I can't create a bootable usb, it needs to be cd? but the .iso is larger than a cd can hold? grrrrrr |
| 18:50.54 | frostyfrog | I knew it! |
| 18:51.11 | romanovic | aeryndunham: did you create the usb on a mac? |
| 18:51.20 | aeryndunham | romanovic: yes |
| 18:51.50 | aeryndunham | I've tried both through the dd command in terminal, and through unetbootin; I can't get it to boot from it |
| 18:51.54 | romanovic | hrm. I've heard of mac users having trouble with the dd-to-usb method of creating a bootable usb, but I don't know what they prefer |
| 18:52.15 | frostyfrog | figured that TimRiker must be here if infobot was... and the fact that Frosty had seen their name somewhere before. Hello! :D |
| 18:52.36 | aeryndunham | I had no issues booting my mac from a it, but this one is older |
| 18:56.19 | romanovic | i just read something about people having success with a USB created by Etcher after not booting when the same image was created with dd |
| 18:56.34 | romanovic | https://etcher.io/ |
| 18:56.53 | aeryndunham | tries it |
| 19:01.09 | jholtom | on OSX you need to go to rdisk rather than disk |
| 19:02.01 | aeryndunham | I did rdisk |
| 19:02.15 | jholtom | well then its all plain hosed |
| 19:02.21 | aeryndunham | I've made a bootable USB on a Mac before, used it on a mac, something about this one is just older or something |
| 19:04.34 | aeryndunham | I would just burn a CD but the .iso is > 700MB |
| 19:05.32 | jholtom | burn to a dvd then |
| 19:05.37 | aeryndunham | I don't have one |
| 19:05.48 | jholtom | oh ok |
| 19:05.51 | aeryndunham | I was surprise I found CDs |
| 19:06.03 | jholtom | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.09 | jholtom | like a netinstall or whatever |
| 19:06.35 | jholtom | or burn a cd with a working bootloader, then still burn the usb image to the usb, then use the CD to chainload. |
| 19:07.58 | aeryndunham | I'm actually astonished by how difficult this has turned out to be |
| 19:08.39 | jholtom | thats what happens with macs |
| 19:09.24 | aeryndunham | i guess |
| 19:10.30 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠what media are you trying to create? |
| 19:11.40 | aeryndunham | programmerq: A bootable USB or CD for Ubuntu Mate for a Late 2008 Macbook running OSX 10.8 |
| 19:19.10 | TodPunk | should be doable on any USB stick new enough to be seen as a USB storage disk |
| 19:25.34 | aeryndunham | Trying through dd again |
| 19:27.44 | aeryndunham | Nope. Hold down 'option' on startup I don't see it. |
| 19:31.05 | aeryndunham | finds another tutorial with different steps and tries again! |
| 19:31.54 | programmerq | weird. I've never had this much trouble getting usb boot media working on a mac. |
| 19:32.01 | aeryndunham | me either |
| 19:32.07 | aeryndunham | which is why it's so weird |
| 19:32.37 | aeryndunham | like everyone loves to tell me 'lol it's cause it's a mac' but I've done this before! I am currently typing this to you on Ubuntu, on my macbook :p |
| 19:33.10 | keldwud | anybody wanna see an interesting quirk in google's search results? |
| 19:33.22 | programmerq | it is possible that apple updated the boot stuff to ignore non-efi boot media |
| 19:33.26 | keldwud | warning, the following video search is NSFW |
| 19:33.47 | keldwud | google "magnum pi poodle front seat" and the search results are normal. and the image results are normal and all SFW |
| 19:33.56 | keldwud | but click on videos and the results are all NSFW |
| 19:34.44 | keldwud | only happens with those terms all together. magnum pi is all SFW results in search, images and videos. poodle front seat is all SFW results in search images and videos. But put them together and what do you get? |
| 19:34.56 | levi | Anyone here use mercurial for distributed open source development via bitbucket? |
| 19:34.58 | keldwud | pine-pine apple apple |
| 19:35.48 | keldwud | -er |
| 19:35.53 | keldwud | pine apple apple pen |
| 19:35.56 | keldwud | that's what I meant |
| 19:47.32 | aeryndunham | headdesks |
| 19:51.15 | aeryndunham | This time the Internet told me to make sure the USB was originally Mac OSX Journal formatted, and conert the .iso to an .img first. Still can't see it when holding 'option' on bootup :( |
| 20:25.54 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: what command are you using to dd? |
| 20:26.42 | TodPunk | levi: not open source |
| 20:27.17 | aeryndunham | TodPunk: uh, sudo dd if=/path/to/.iso of=/dev/rdisk1 |
| 20:27.23 | aeryndunham | something like that |
| 20:27.32 | aeryndunham | oooh I think I got it |
| 20:27.36 | TodPunk | ? |
| 20:27.45 | aeryndunham | I installed rEFInd |
| 20:28.01 | aeryndunham | which I probably should have done ages ago |
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| 20:45.08 | aeryndunham | of COURSE the wifi doesn't work |
| 20:45.10 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 20:45.53 | jholtom | its a mac |
| 20:47.27 | aeryndunham | worked on mine |
| 20:48.05 | programmerq | ...'its a mac' is not a helpful comment... |
| 20:48.14 | aeryndunham | That's all anyone says to me |
| 20:48.47 | jholtom | programmerq: you'd be surprised at how much that explains when it comes to Linux on Apple products, many design decision were made that hurt any other OS functioning well on it |
| 20:49.11 | jholtom | so real answer, its likely a proprietary driver that isn't shipped |
| 20:49.45 | jholtom | google says its an airport card, which means drivers are a very tricky hunt |
| 20:50.02 | keldwud | what's the general consensus on https://www.pluralsight.com/ |
| 20:50.05 | keldwud | anybody use it? |
| 20:50.10 | keldwud | positive feedback? negative? |
| 20:50.20 | aeryndunham | it's a broadcom wireless controller, lspci says |
| 20:50.39 | jholtom | then plug in an ethernet cable and install linux-firmware-nonfree |
| 20:50.45 | jholtom | and b43 |
| 20:50.56 | jholtom | or if you want a truly proprietary driver, use broadcom-wl |
| 20:51.57 | programmerq | keldwud⸠I have a positive impression of it, but I haven't used it. |
| 20:53.41 | jlp_znc | levi: I have used mercurial before, at $employer - 4 |
| 20:54.05 | keldwud | I've been browsing through it and it doesn't seem to appeal to me from a platform as a service perspective |
| 20:54.15 | keldwud | since my job is to build and provide platforms |
| 20:54.27 | keldwud | it has a *little* bit on infrastructure, and they have LPIC |
| 20:54.41 | keldwud | but yeah, I don't appear to be its target audience |
| 20:57.46 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: I will not say it's a mac to you on this |
| 20:57.47 | TodPunk | it's linux |
| 20:58.00 | TodPunk | (it seriously is) |
| 20:58.12 | jholtom | (he's not wrong) |
| 20:58.36 | TodPunk | but the firmware is available, you just have to rig it in |
| 20:58.54 | TodPunk | This is how essentially all wireless worked on linux for a good decade, if it worked at all |
| 20:59.02 | TodPunk | so welcome to THAT fun =cP |
| 20:59.17 | jholtom | I still no longer run linux on my laptop because of firmware hell |
| 20:59.19 | TodPunk | keldwud: pluralsight is as good as any of these things |
| 20:59.24 | jholtom | and its an xps from 2015 |
| 20:59.41 | aeryndunham | if I can find an ethernet cable I'll be all set |
| 21:01.24 | aeryndunham | ooh I can unplug the blu-ray player for a bit |
| 21:01.36 | aeryndunham | I'm pretty sure it's a direct wired connection |
| 21:04.42 | frostyfrog | now wonders if an ethernet enabled VHS player exists. |
| 21:04.52 | jholtom | I'd build it, just because |
| 21:06.03 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 21:06.48 | frostyfrog | I would too... If it could stream VHS tapes reliably to my PC. |
| 21:06.57 | aeryndunham | I was about to say that, yay, ethernet means I can go back and install a distro I actually wanted on MY macbook, but... no ethernet port |
| 21:07.24 | frostyfrog | Hmmm... |
| 21:08.33 | frostyfrog | mumbles something about apple wanting to sell more adaptor accessories such as https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Apple/MD463LLA/ |
| 21:08.56 | frostyfrog | (better prices out ther anyways) |
| 21:13.32 | jholtom | frostyfrog: I had an old adapter box that could stream it into VLC or another app on my computer, was pretty nifty |
| 21:16.10 | aeryndunham | yaaay success |
| 21:16.49 | frostyfrog | wait... success? |
| 21:16.57 | aeryndunham | wireless working |
| 21:17.01 | aeryndunham | on the old computer |
| 21:17.08 | frostyfrog | \o/ |
| 21:17.10 | jholtom | *lots of firmware later* |
| 21:17.11 | frostyfrog | Awesome! |
| 21:17.12 | jholtom | but congrats |
| 21:17.17 | jholtom | just wait till the next update hoses it :( |
| 21:17.25 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 21:17.42 | frostyfrog | Is that why you prefer to build it? |
| 21:17.43 | aeryndunham | no updates will probably ever be run on this thing again |
| 21:18.00 | aeryndunham | I'm seriously giving this to my dad with an icon for 'internet', 'email', and 'word' and that's what he gets |
| 21:18.29 | frostyfrog | Firefox, thunderbird, and libreoffice? |
| 21:18.41 | aeryndunham | not sure uet |
| 21:18.43 | aeryndunham | yet |
| 21:19.27 | unum | I used to have a tv tuner card with a vcr plugged into it |
| 21:19.41 | frostyfrog | 's mother used an old version of Eudora until it stopped working in Windows 10 for some reason. Now she uses thunderbird with a Snoopy theme. |
| 21:19.56 | jholtom | daww |
| 21:20.21 | frostyfrog | She likes it :3 |
| 21:20.50 | frostyfrog | She also likes her Snoopy pebble time. |
| 21:21.16 | frostyfrog | should get her a Snoopy plush for her birthday or something >_> |
| 21:34.03 | TodPunk | frostyfrog: I have one of those in my bag, right now |
| 21:39.37 | frostyfrog | TodPunk: What? A Snoopy plush? |
| 21:39.48 | TodPunk | the apple dongle |
| 21:39.56 | frostyfrog | Aah |
| 21:46.23 | aeryndunham | firefox or chrome for my dad, hmm |
| 21:49.02 | spangborn | Chrome, probably |
| 21:54.41 | aeryndunham | no 32-bit chrome anymore |
| 21:54.45 | aeryndunham | firefox it is, then |
| 22:17.10 | romanovic | I'm meeelllltiiiing |
| 22:17.39 | romanovic | can't hide from all the lumens. building maintenance has turned on all the lights to see which need to be replaced |
| 22:17.53 | jholtom | light is good for you |
| 22:18.48 | romanovic | sunlight is good for you. fluorescent ceiling lights are evil |
| 22:23.16 | romanovic | half of our floor keeps theirs turned off all day. Here on my side we can't come to an agreement, so we have compromised at 50% lighting |
| 22:23.41 | jholtom | we don't have windows in our office so we're just sad all day |
| 22:24.07 | frostyfrog | o.o |
| 22:24.12 | frostyfrog | Dark? |
| 22:24.22 | frostyfrog | programming/it in the dark? |
| 22:24.24 | frostyfrog | Where?! |
| 22:24.32 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 22:24.33 | jholtom | nah, we have the lights on |
| 22:24.45 | frostyfrog | likes the dark. |
| 22:24.55 | jholtom | the closest thing we have to a window is our 4 monitors with webcams watching the outside |
| 22:25.51 | frostyfrog | Nice :3 |
| 22:26.12 | jholtom | can you guess what hellhole would do this to someone? |
| 22:26.35 | jholtom | :P |
| 22:26.41 | frostyfrog | Me. I'd do it to myself :p |
| 22:26.55 | jholtom | haha |
| 22:27.01 | jholtom | whatever floats your boat |
| 22:27.03 | frostyfrog | Though with the lights off |
| 22:35.20 | RyanE | they always ask me if my fluro bulbs are out, since I unscrew the ones in my area. :) |
| 22:36.44 | TodPunk | I have a window right behind me. I keep the blinds closed. |
| 23:06.31 | aeryndunham | if I can just figure out how to change the menu icon I think i'll be done tweaking this laptop for my dad |
| 23:09.20 | jlp_znc | jholtom: you work in a secure facility? |
| 23:12.26 | jlp_znc | grew up a couple of miles from this: http://www.fortwiki.com/Malmstrom_SAGE_Direction_Center_DC-20 |
| 23:14.37 | jlp_znc | I was fortunate to tour it once before it was decomissioned in 1983. Not many people can say they have walked through a computer before. |
| 23:16.10 | jholtom | jlp_znc: haha no |
| 23:16.15 | jholtom | jlp_znc: though I have in the past |
| 23:16.19 | programmerq | neat |
| 23:16.35 | jholtom | secure facilities SUCK |
| 23:16.58 | jlp_znc | http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/01/the-never-before-told-story-of-the-worlds-first-computer-art-its-a-sexy-dame/267439/ <- good article on the AN/FSQ-7 computer |
| 23:18.11 | jlp_znc | our blockhouse at Malmstrom had seven gensets... it required two to run the building. they always had four running, 24/7. two on line, two on hot standby, two on cold stanby, and one torn down for maintenance. |
| 23:19.07 | frostyfrog | gensets? generator sets? |
| 23:19.19 | jlp_znc | yeah, big diesel generators |
| 23:20.00 | frostyfrog | wonders what would happen with the extra power. Feed it into the grid but don't have the grid rely on it? shug |
| 23:20.53 | jholtom | <3 diesel |
| 23:21.07 | jlp_znc | nope, just dumped, I'm pretty sure. |
| 23:21.17 | jlp_znc | I don't think the building was on the grid at all |
| 23:25.02 | jlp_znc | I just found this book that I now want desperately: https://books.google.com/books?id=_HnpBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA77&lpg=PA77&dq=sage+blockhouse+generators&source=bl&ots=g-bfbio4YF&sig=9kgzec2OqwI7finHTl8n5ZWIrNg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikx8H3t97RAhWmrlQKHU6UAvsQ6AEIRzAH#v=onepage&q=sage%20blockhouse%20generators&f=false |
| 23:45.11 | frostyfrog | So, how'd the install go, aeryndunham? |
| 23:51.16 | aeryndunham | frostyfrog: Pretty good! |
| 23:51.40 | frostyfrog | awesome! Would love to see how it looks :3 |
| 23:51.52 | frostyfrog | (When you're done, that is) |
| 23:52.10 | aeryndunham | hit a small hitch in that I just closed the laptop but now I can't wake it up again :p |
| 23:52.50 | aeryndunham | but I'm going to have some dinner and worry about it after :p |
| 23:53.28 | frostyfrog | pressing the power button didn't work? (Hope your noms are nummy noms!) |
| 23:55.22 | jholtom | My homemade paneer is incredibly nommy |