| 01:46.18 | akmod | the answer is always yes to drivin gsuper duty |
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| 12:47.26 | frostyfrog | morning |
| 12:49.02 | frostyfrog | http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/chatting-android-best-irc-apps/ found this nice link :3 |
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| 15:47.46 | frostyfrog | Bleh, now my arm hurts :/ |
| 15:48.51 | frostyfrog | So glad I don't have to do manual labor or anything involving me pulling or pushing things with my arm. |
| 15:48.56 | jholtom | heh |
| 15:49.03 | jholtom | akmod: no, its really not. |
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| 15:49.20 | jholtom | frostyfrog: what did you do to your arm? |
| 15:51.04 | frostyfrog | I was ice skating and I tripped. Gouged the ice a fair bit. My rough estimate was 1/4-1/2 an inch deep and about 1.5 inches long. Landed on my side and hit my elbow on the ice as well. |
| 15:51.31 | frostyfrog | Now the top of my upper arm stings a bit. :p |
| 15:52.15 | frostyfrog | (top as in, front. It's the top if I hold my arm out infront of me) |
| 15:53.03 | spangborn | You should probably not do that again |
| 15:53.13 | spangborn | Just my $0.02 |
| 15:53.19 | frostyfrog | x3 |
| 15:53.43 | frostyfrog | What? Ice skating, or accidently digging my toepick into the ice? |
| 15:53.49 | spangborn | Why not both? |
| 15:54.07 | spangborn | One prevents the other right? ;p |
| 15:54.13 | frostyfrog | Ice skating is my only form of excercise. :/ |
| 15:55.17 | spangborn | Time to "pick" up something new |
| 15:55.33 | spangborn | Your skating career might be "iced" |
| 15:55.40 | jholtom | sighs |
| 15:56.03 | jholtom | skating is so much fun |
| 15:56.47 | spangborn | Better check yourself before you wreck yourself |
| 15:56.51 | jholtom | don't give it up, go do it again |
| 15:56.56 | spangborn | (Had to expand hockey into the pun thread) |
| 15:57.43 | frostyfrog | It is, especially when there's hardly anyone on the ice x3 |
| 15:58.06 | jholtom | can you spin yet? |
| 15:59.15 | frostyfrog | Kinda, it's fairly crappy ATM. >_> |
| 15:59.43 | jholtom | good for you! |
| 16:00.03 | jholtom | I used to be able to do fancy things and now I can just skate well |
| 16:02.54 | frostyfrog | My spin and backwards crossover ice "damage" from a few days ago. http://i.imgur.com/RYgp2ev.jpg |
| 16:03.19 | frostyfrog | honestly has no idea who that person there is. |
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| 16:06.06 | keldwud | in salt, can I create multiple directories with one file.directory statement? or do I need a statement for each directory? they all live in the same folder |
| 16:07.04 | jholtom | keldwud: you can file.managed a whole set of template directories and have it recurse |
| 16:07.21 | jholtom | so if you have an example folder tree in files/foo |
| 16:07.25 | jholtom | you can set recurse |
| 16:07.28 | jholtom | and it'll copy all those |
| 16:07.43 | keldwud | oh interesting |
| 16:07.48 | jholtom | so it'll be something like |
| 16:07.50 | keldwud | I didn't know that. that's a creative solution |
| 16:07.56 | jholtom | /etc/ldap: |
| 16:08.01 | jholtom | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.07 | jholtom | - source: salt://files/etc/ldap |
| 16:08.10 | jholtom | - include_empty: True |
| 16:08.48 | keldwud | and then in the source directory I make sure to have the tree structure I want? |
| 16:09.02 | jholtom | yep |
| 16:09.07 | keldwud | on the salt master under files/etc/ldap/foo; files/etc/ldap/bar; files/etc/ldap/baz |
| 16:09.13 | jholtom | yeah |
| 16:09.16 | keldwud | and on my target/minion, I would end up with all that |
| 16:09.17 | keldwud | neat! |
| 16:09.19 | jholtom | yessiree |
| 16:09.20 | keldwud | thanks man :) |
| 16:09.26 | jholtom | the include_empty forces it to include empty directories |
| 16:09.29 | jholtom | which I think is what you want |
| 16:10.43 | keldwud | yeah, that is exactly what I meant |
| 16:12.24 | keldwud | how'd you stumble across that solution, jholtom ? |
| 16:12.56 | jholtom | its how I currently distribute my ldap configurations in salt |
| 16:13.17 | jholtom | and a quick search of the docs found include_empty |
| 16:16.05 | keldwud | I need to hit the books on AWS if I'm going to find a new job |
| 16:16.10 | keldwud | go get my certs |
| 16:16.11 | jholtom | ugh AWS tho |
| 16:16.27 | keldwud | well, I just got passed up on three positions because of my lack of experience with AWS |
| 16:16.30 | jholtom | expensive and almost always not worth it |
| 16:16.34 | jholtom | oh |
| 16:16.36 | jholtom | ic |
| 16:16.38 | keldwud | couple of them would pay up to $140 |
| 16:16.42 | keldwud | k |
| 16:16.45 | keldwud | $140k |
| 16:16.49 | keldwud | so I think it is worth the cert |
| 16:17.11 | keldwud | seeing as it would take me < 2 months and less than a $1000 to certify |
| 16:17.15 | jholtom | yeah, maybe |
| 16:17.24 | jholtom | AWS is such a poor option for most business' |
| 16:17.28 | keldwud | I'd make my money back in my first month at that salary |
| 16:17.33 | jholtom | you would |
| 16:17.33 | keldwud | tell that to adobe |
| 16:17.43 | jholtom | well, Adobe is large enough that it doesn't matter |
| 16:18.18 | keldwud | thanks for showing me file.recurse. that's a game changer for my salt states |
| 16:18.21 | jholtom | the real issue is when smaller or medium size business' think AWS is the right solution, but it really isn't because its vastly more expensive and gets more complex |
| 16:18.29 | keldwud | a whole bunch of things just got a whole lot more simple |
| 16:18.32 | jholtom | yep |
| 16:18.37 | jholtom | salt is quite nifty |
| 16:21.18 | frostyfrog | I think it'd be fun to learn salt if it was easy enough to figure out how to setup ffmpeg in a cluster render mode. |
| 16:22.26 | jholtom | well, ffmpeg doesn't have a cluster render mode, all those are created by other scripts and applications |
| 16:22.31 | jholtom | so pick one and then configure it via salt :P |
| 16:23.39 | keldwud | I think I talked myself out of a job the other day because I wouldn't shut up about salt |
| 16:23.40 | keldwud | lol |
| 16:23.55 | frostyfrog | should now go configure 10 or so VMs so that they could be configured via chef, salt, or ansible... |
| 16:24.07 | keldwud | ansible + salt |
| 16:24.20 | frostyfrog | ansible and salt? |
| 16:24.52 | frostyfrog | is confused by the potential use cases for that setup, over picking just one. |
| 16:24.52 | keldwud | and cobbler to handle network stuff :) |
| 16:25.05 | keldwud | I'm probably just making things up |
| 16:26.20 | jholtom | just do it all with salt :P |
| 16:30.43 | keldwud | so I still need to figure out how to require states from other states in my old version of salt. until we upgrade at least (which will be a month or two) |
| 16:31.11 | keldwud | if I use an include at the beginning of my state file to include the needed state, can I then call the state by name? |
| 16:36.36 | frostyfrog | Hmmm... anyone know of a good way to way to provision a bunch of VMs on multiple hosts besides installing them all manually or copying images around? |
| 16:37.48 | keldwud | ummm |
| 16:37.49 | jholtom | theforeman |
| 16:37.52 | keldwud | salt? |
| 16:37.52 | jholtom | pxe |
| 16:37.55 | jholtom | and then salt |
| 16:37.57 | keldwud | oooh yeah, pxe |
| 16:38.16 | jholtom | pxe to a kickstart that installs the OS, then hooks it to salt, and away you go |
| 16:39.07 | keldwud | frostyfrog: I brought up a whole graylog cluster in one go using salt |
| 16:39.21 | frostyfrog | Oh cool! |
| 16:39.41 | keldwud | that includeded multiple elastic search nodes, multiple graylog nodes, and some front ends |
| 16:39.58 | keldwud | it was running and working all from the get-go |
| 16:40.16 | frostyfrog | will probably have to manually configure the mac addresses and have the pxe server give them a special boot config to boot something that can install itself... |
| 16:40.31 | keldwud | so I would imagine pxe booting your vms to pull and install an OS and a salt minion will get you to where you need for salt to take over |
| 16:40.34 | frostyfrog | Nice, that sounds pretty cool |
| 16:41.00 | keldwud | I remember when I was doing pxe booting that I had to know all the MAC addresses beforehand |
| 16:41.18 | keldwud | that made it more difficult for me as they were all physical machines so I had to boot each one to copy down the MAC address |
| 16:41.42 | frostyfrog | You could set it up for a range of addresses, which will be nice. :3 |
| 16:42.03 | frostyfrog | was hoping to use https://raw.githubusercontent.com/frostyfrog/dotfiles/master/fresharch but arch doesn't support kickstarts, AFAIK... |
| 16:42.41 | keldwud | yeah, I think automating an arch install would defeat the purpose of using arch in the first place ;) |
| 16:43.19 | jholtom | eww arch |
| 16:43.23 | frostyfrog | Well, not really. |
| 16:44.23 | keldwud | jholtom: eww your face, I love arch |
| 16:44.26 | keldwud | I'm using it right now |
| 16:44.31 | keldwud | <3 pacman |
| 16:44.35 | keldwud | pacman is the best |
| 16:44.57 | jholtom | you clearly did not use pacman in its infancy |
| 16:45.01 | jholtom | when it was complete garbage |
| 16:45.02 | keldwud | true |
| 16:45.09 | keldwud | I only started using arch in 2016 |
| 16:45.12 | jholtom | oh lmao |
| 16:45.14 | frostyfrog | I love their "We hardly ever muck with upstream" mentality. |
| 16:45.24 | jholtom | just use gentoo |
| 16:45.25 | keldwud | I might take the plunge and go to parabola |
| 16:45.34 | keldwud | I've been contemplating gentoo |
| 16:45.49 | frostyfrog | started in 2012, when an actual installer and a clunky provisioning platform existed. |
| 16:45.52 | keldwud | parabola would restrict me to only free sources and removes all the non-free repos |
| 16:46.19 | keldwud | maybe I'll spin up gentoo at home and use that for my linux courses |
| 16:46.37 | keldwud | arch was good enough for me that I'm running it on my work desktop |
| 16:47.57 | frostyfrog | ditto |
| 16:50.37 | keldwud | frostyfrog: what desktop did you choose? |
| 16:51.00 | keldwud | I went with Gnome3 but I'm seriously considering ditching the desktop and moving to just a window manager like awesome or something |
| 16:51.12 | frostyfrog | I've used a fair few over the years. Currently using DWM |
| 16:51.27 | frostyfrog | s/fair few/handful/ |
| 16:52.23 | keldwud | dwm is the window manager that takes a lot of pre-configuration, isn't it? |
| 16:52.28 | frostyfrog | I've used xfce4, xmonad, subtle, and a couple of others that I don't remember. (On arch specifically) |
| 16:52.50 | frostyfrog | DWM is the one where the config is a config.h C header file. |
| 16:52.58 | keldwud | yeah, that's right |
| 16:53.33 | frostyfrog | I've also got some dwm status stuff going on. |
| 16:53.40 | keldwud | I was considering it along with awesome and one or two others but realized I didn't nearly have the time for configuring my windows through a C header file |
| 16:55.01 | frostyfrog | A random screenshot of my WM I found (I tend to stay in the monacle mode, rather than tiling or floating) http://i.imgur.com/tnOhgpd.png |
| 16:57.19 | jholtom | xmonad! |
| 16:57.46 | frostyfrog | The config isn't too bad if you stick to the basics and don't go tweaking the actual source like I did :p http://git.suckless.org/dwm/tree/config.def.h?id=6.1 |
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| 19:19.54 | unum | hey nage |
| 19:20.01 | unum | oh we wasn't really ever here |
| 19:33.40 | nage | hey unum! |
| 19:35.56 | spangborn | ~brave-- |
| 19:41.42 | spangborn | Uh wow http://fox13now.com/2017/01/24/caught-on-video-uta-frontrunner-train-crashes-into-fedex-truck/ |
| 19:43.18 | Migs | whoopseedoodles |
| 19:47.34 | Migs | that was probably carrying the package I was expecting today |
| 19:48.11 | spangborn | It was carrying my soul |
| 19:48.13 | spangborn | And now it's missing |
| 19:56.03 | jima | spangborn: it was broken anyway |
| 19:56.12 | spangborn | This is true |
| 19:56.20 | spangborn | Why do you think I shipped it back? |
| 19:56.55 | jima | and i hope that was the frontrunner train that ran into the fedex truck a few days ago, otherwise frontrunner (and fedex) have a serious problem |
| 19:58.09 | jlp_znc | date on the clip was 01/21/17. |
| 19:58.24 | jlp_znc | I like that the gates came down about a minute after the accident |
| 19:58.29 | jima | date on the url (which i didn't follow) was today, so... |
| 19:59.25 | jima | i feel like the phrase "fortunately, no one was hurt" is appropriate for this scenario (this is a test...) |
| 19:59.49 | spangborn | Yeah, it was the one on Saturday |
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| 21:17.13 | spangborn | So Utah made some deal with Amazon on collecting sales tax, but won't release the info because they say it would give an advantage to competitors. What |
| 21:17.33 | spangborn | Why can't I know what the deal actually is? |
| 21:21.33 | TodPunk | something something national security |
| 21:21.33 | romanovic | spangborn: that's for Bureaucrats at Grade 55 and above |
| 21:28.23 | frostyfrog | grade 55? Wow, that's a lot of college :p |
| 21:33.44 | RyanE | howdy |
| 21:33.50 | RyanE | wrong window... :) |
| 21:33.55 | RyanE | but howdy nonetheless. |
| 21:35.31 | jholtom | howdy |
| 21:37.45 | spangborn | Hi |
| 21:42.12 | Migs | yeah I've found it annoying that I suddenly have to pay tax on everything |
| 21:42.30 | Migs | seriously wtf |
| 21:43.17 | frostyfrog | However, if it isn't shipped from amazon, you don't necessarily have to pay tax. |
| 22:22.42 | jima | spangborn: WHY DO YOU HATE THIS COUNTRY (re: tax secrets) |
| 22:23.03 | spangborn | Because I'm a libtard |
| 22:30.37 | Migs | well it makes me FURIOUS |
| 22:30.47 | Migs | Thanks, Trump! |
| 22:39.10 | frostyfrog | We blaming trump for everything now? :p |
| 22:44.49 | levi | Same as we blamed Obama for everything, and Bush for everything, etc. |
| 22:45.05 | Migs | Who do you propose we blame? |
| 22:45.18 | levi | Scapegoat-in-Chief |
| 22:45.19 | programmerq | we could blame Bono |
| 22:45.29 | programmerq | or Kevin Bacon |
| 22:45.30 | frostyfrog | Just find it silly that we're blaming trump for something that started happening before he became president. |
| 22:46.36 | frostyfrog | Dunno, Migs. Maybe someone in the state side government? http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865668776/Gov-Gary-Herbert-calls-for-review-of-Utah-taxes-in-new-budget-to-make-system-equitable-and-simple.html |
| 22:47.28 | frostyfrog | Apparently some people are able to itemize all their online purchases and are happy for the change. |
| 22:49.43 | Migs | "Utah law requires residents who aren't charged sales taxes on their online purchases to pay them with their state income taxes." We are? |
| 22:49.46 | Migs | I guess I knew that, but forgot |
| 22:50.32 | frostyfrog | I don't pay attention to purchases that I make online because I forget about nearly every single one and what I payed. |
| 22:55.09 | frostyfrog | But yeah. We're supposed to :/ |
| 23:15.02 | jholtom | lol |
| 23:15.03 | jholtom | whoops |
| 23:39.02 | RyanE | The rule is that you should blame the previous administration for the *entire* time the current administration is in office. |
| 23:39.08 | RyanE | Thanks, Obama! |
| 23:42.37 | programmerq | so, should I go to LDUG? |
| 23:43.05 | frostyfrog | That tonight? |
| 23:43.14 | programmerq | tomorrow night |
| 23:44.32 | frostyfrog | Ahh |
| 23:56.03 | levi | Migs: That's pretty much standard for states that have sales taxes. You're responsible for paying on anything you buy where it isn't automatically deducted. Most people just don't, and the state governments just look the other way about it because it'd be more trouble to try to enforce than any benefit they'd get. |
| 23:57.09 | TodPunk | programmerq: obviously yes |
| 23:57.12 | TodPunk | it's a hack night |
| 23:57.26 | levi | programmerq: Yes, go to LDUG! |
| 23:57.36 | programmerq | but going outside and cold and driving and parking and stuff |
| 23:57.42 | programmerq | and then socializing without a keyboard? |
| 23:57.44 | programmerq | still worth it? |
| 23:57.50 | TodPunk | bring a keyboard, just in case |
| 23:58.03 | TodPunk | I enjoy it, enough that I go every time |
| 23:58.12 | programmerq | what's the typical format? |
| 23:58.22 | programmerq | I'm less of a developer and more of an ops type |
