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| 18:40.46 | SunSparc | jholtom: Sounds like fun. |
| 18:48.59 | jholtom | It's a feel good thing, get to help people out |
| 18:54.09 | SunSparc | I understand completely. And kudos to you for doing it. |
| 18:54.18 | SunSparc | ~jholtom++ |
| 19:13.12 | frostyfrog | That'd be cool to do. My problem is that I'll sometimes see people pulled over on the side of the road and I have no idea how I could even help out. |
| 19:13.28 | frostyfrog | drives a car but hardly knows how vehicles work. |
| 19:31.38 | levi | Knowing how they work doesn't always help a whole lot these days. |
| 19:46.54 | jholtom | I drive a super duty and am very comfortable towing crap :P |
| 19:49.51 | jholtom | frostyfrog: bring them a nice cup of coffee and snacks, and if their car isn't running, maybe warm them up a touch :P |
| 19:50.11 | frostyfrog | x3 |
| 19:50.27 | frostyfrog | That actually seems like a good idea during the winter months. |
| 19:51.13 | jholtom | though I guess in Utah, it'd be much preferred if it was cocoa |
| 19:51.13 | frostyfrog | Err, as far as giving them a warm drink goes (which is what I though you initially meant) |
| 19:51.29 | jholtom | it is what I meant :P |
| 19:53.04 | jholtom | if they're shivering, I'd probably put them in my backseat and warm them up or drop them off at a starbucks or whatever to warm up and get help |
| 20:10.54 | spangborn | Interesting, Sim Gill ordering the release of the body camera footage from the Abdi Mohamed shooting |
| 20:10.59 | spangborn | After withholding it for so long |
| 20:23.08 | TodPunk | Anyone in here except for basepi play screeps? |
| 20:46.15 | spangborn | Ah, I guess the video was played in court |
| 20:46.20 | spangborn | That's why it's being released now |
| 20:46.28 | spangborn | That makes more sense. |
| 21:04.14 | jholtom | how is the snow in SLC right now? |
| 21:07.04 | Migs | slushy |
| 21:07.21 | jholtom | down south its just pouring fat white flakes |
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| 21:44.51 | keldwud | it's nice and fluffy |
| 21:44.54 | keldwud | downtown |
| 21:45.14 | keldwud | can't see much, either. the cloud cover is pretty thick |
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| 22:34.38 | keldwud | hey are there alerting / monitoring features built into systemd? |
| 22:34.51 | keldwud | if so, what key terms am I looking for? |
| 22:46.27 | TodPunk | The first time I've heard of someone excited for new things systemd may be taking under its wing |
| 22:46.50 | TodPunk | I'm not disparaging you, keldwud, you do you, I just thought it funny |
| 22:47.06 | keldwud | lol |
| 22:47.09 | keldwud | I've been loving systemd |
| 22:47.22 | keldwud | but don't tell anyone else that |
| 22:47.36 | keldwud | they get upset when I use ss and ip instead of netstat and ifconfig |
| 22:49.27 | TodPunk | adds keldwud to The List |
| 22:49.58 | keldwud | I love ip so much more than ifconfig |
| 22:50.14 | keldwud | I haven't explored all the stuff with ss yet, though |
| 22:50.23 | TodPunk | ip is strictly superior |
| 22:50.25 | keldwud | but I've been liking it more than netstat anyway |
| 22:50.40 | TodPunk | netstat is also strictly superior for no other reason necessary than you can use it on every system |
| 22:50.42 | unum | I'm pretty bitter that a vendor is requiring us to keep centos 6, I was really looking forward to replacing some init scripts.... |
| 22:50.46 | keldwud | TodPunk: ummm |
| 22:50.54 | keldwud | except that it's not standard in modern repos anymore |
| 22:51.05 | keldwud | so you can't really use it on every system unless you install it |
| 22:51.08 | TodPunk | It's on my ubuntu boxes and my centos boxes... |
| 22:51.10 | keldwud | and you'd have to add a repo to install it |
| 22:51.19 | keldwud | I thought centos 7 stopped carrying it |
| 22:51.27 | keldwud | it's not default on my centos 7 boxes |
| 22:51.27 | TodPunk | I can also use it on OSX and Windows, like a real man |
| 22:52.10 | TodPunk | I may not have any Centos 7 boxes, but fedora still has it on all our machines (we don't have the absolute latest yet, though, I think some of us are a version behind) |
| 22:52.30 | keldwud | this has been in the man page for over a year now |
| 22:52.36 | keldwud | a year and a half |
| 22:52.37 | keldwud | "NOTE This program is obsolete. Replacement for netstat is ss. Replacement for netstat -r is ip route. Replacement for netstat -i is ip -s link. Replacement for netstat -g is ip maddr." |
| 22:52.45 | keldwud | same with ifconfig |
| 22:52.51 | keldwud | it has also been obsolete |
| 22:52.56 | TodPunk | what on earth would they want to change the command for? |
| 22:52.59 | keldwud | lol |
| 22:53.01 | TodPunk | that's the dumbest thing I've eve rheard |
| 22:53.07 | keldwud | I'm still surprised this is news to a lot of people |
| 22:53.09 | TodPunk | like changing yum to dnf |
| 22:53.16 | TodPunk | just release a new version |
| 22:53.35 | TodPunk | I'm an engineer, not a linux fanboy |
| 22:53.40 | keldwud | hands TodPunk a stick to shake at the kids on his lawn |
| 22:54.06 | TodPunk | notes that every script he's ever written to parse this stuff, cross-platform, may now break soon |
| 22:54.13 | TodPunk | thanks, open source, you morons |
| 22:54.40 | keldwud | sed 's/netstat -tulpn/ss -ln/g' |
| 22:54.44 | keldwud | there, fixed ;) |
| 22:55.19 | keldwud | the formatting is slightly different, though |
| 22:55.22 | keldwud | in the output |
| 22:56.26 | TodPunk | netstat -anpt |
| 22:56.32 | TodPunk | netstat -anb on windows |
| 22:56.58 | TodPunk | and the output can be modified on all the things, obviously |
| 22:57.10 | TodPunk | this has seriously upset me |
| 22:57.34 | TodPunk | and I was just forced to listen to a political discussion a moment earlier, so this is not helpful to that either |
| 22:57.46 | TodPunk | stabs spangborn for open source's sins |
| 22:57.58 | keldwud | sorry to be the bearer of bad news |
| 22:58.08 | keldwud | you know, if you'd have read the man page once in a while ;) |
| 22:58.22 | keldwud | <reference to hitchhiker's guide here" |
| 22:58.36 | TodPunk | keldwud: I want to let you in on a little secret |
| 22:59.06 | TodPunk | once you know a tool, you do not ever say to yourself, "huh, I wonder if anything's changed in the man page for this, maybe I'll reread it over lunch!" |
| 22:59.13 | keldwud | I do |
| 22:59.22 | keldwud | because I don't trust myself to remember it all the time |
| 22:59.30 | keldwud | so I double check the man page before I run it |
| 22:59.35 | keldwud | to make sure I got it right |
| 22:59.44 | TodPunk | I would consider that "not knowing a tool" |
| 22:59.47 | keldwud | but I'm super weird like that |
| 23:00.26 | keldwud | I double check my bus routes even though I know how to get from point a to point b |
| 23:00.58 | TodPunk | give it time |
| 23:01.01 | TodPunk | comfort will set in |
| 23:01.03 | TodPunk | it gets us all |
| 23:15.58 | keldwud | I didn't mean to sound smarmy, looking back I kinda sounded a little bratty about it, sorry for being a dick, TodPunk |
| 23:24.03 | TodPunk | hahaha, no man, you're fine, keldwud |
| 23:24.34 | TodPunk | it's text, I never assume anyone's being an ass unless they're very directly doing so, and then I just remember it's the internet, the most useless place for opinions |
| 23:36.28 | levi | I think that they changed the commands in Linux because the underlying method of talking to the kernel is completely different for the new commands. |
| 23:37.09 | levi | And the old/new ways would have to co-exist for quite some time, thus separate tools for each. |
| 23:39.17 | levi | The new way to configure all the networking stuff is via netlink sockets, which is basically a socket protocol with which you can directly address various kernel subsystems. I think the motivation for creating this was the flexibility over the old ioctl way of doing things, but I could be mistaken on the motivations. |
| 23:40.41 | levi | I must say, though, ioctls are a huge wart on the design of the Unix kernel userspace API. |
| 23:41.21 | levi | Not that Netlink is particularly beautiful, but it's a hard area to design in. |
| 23:43.05 | jholtom | is it currently snowing up north? |
| 23:43.33 | keldwud | winter is COOMIN! |
| 23:44.03 | jholtom | yes I know, I love it |
| 23:44.07 | keldwud | and what do you mean by north? |
| 23:44.15 | keldwud | to the freelanders everything is south |
| 23:44.16 | jholtom | keldwud: SLC/Farmington |
| 23:44.35 | keldwud | even winterfell is south to somebody |
| 23:44.46 | keldwud | slc is snowing still |
| 23:44.49 | keldwud | downtown |
| 23:44.50 | jholtom | oh great |
| 23:44.54 | jholtom | how hard? |
| 23:45.19 | jholtom | have to decide whether or not I need to drive the super duty up tonight or not |
| 23:47.33 | programmerq | something happening at the space? |
| 23:48.45 | jholtom | nah, bunch of guys getting together to watch the jazz |