| 00:02.44 | TodPunk | RyanE: tonight Jeff Walter is talking about project management stuff |
| 00:03.23 | RyanE | called it. |
| 00:03.38 | TodPunk | You can wait until it's warmer, I won't be offended =cP |
| 00:04.28 | RyanE | Project management is necessary evil, and one I'd prefer *not* to know... :) |
| 00:07.25 | frostyfrog | Hey, so long as I can manage my own little projects/products. :p |
| 00:07.33 | frostyfrog | isn't 100% sure that they'll attend. |
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| 00:10.01 | aeryndunham | dangit, ANOTHER broken iPad |
| 00:11.08 | aeryndunham | and a growing line out the door |
| 00:11.32 | TodPunk | I think it is about creating stories for your project |
| 00:12.09 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: what does "activate" mean for these iPads? |
| 00:12.15 | TodPunk | seems odd |
| 00:15.34 | aeryndunham | It wants to activate your iTunes account or something every time it updates the OS, and it needs an internet connection to do this |
| 00:21.15 | aeryndunham | Nope. My throat definitely hurts now. Not making it up. |
| 00:42.45 | romanovic | Anyone work with separate back-end/front-end teams and can't seem to line up API contract requirements? |
| 00:43.21 | romanovic | works on a full-stack team so usually doesn't have an issue. Contract work is a different story... |
| 00:45.11 | romanovic | "Your endpoint is returning a list of Foo objects, but you need to identify them as Bar objects." "Umm no, the app is requesting Foo objects, and the API is returning Foo objects, why in the world would I intentionally mislabel them in my response" |
| 00:46.23 | romanovic | "Foo objects are breaking the app, unless the app thinks they're Bar objects. Just change the response and it will work" |
| 00:46.40 | romanovic | I think there's a larger problem here |
| 00:51.09 | romanovic | I just want to tell them /api/FooObjects/ <-- this endpoint will only ever return Foo Objects. End of story. API consumer must be able to consume Foo objects in order to use the Foo object endpoint, how is this not obvious |
| 00:53.39 | romanovic | has already told them this, it's just not getting through |
| 01:50.07 | RyanE | sounds like you're foobar'ed. |
| 02:13.33 | spangborn | romanovic: Ouch |
| 02:17.57 | frostyfrog | Isn't that standard REST? |
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| 03:44.00 | keldwud | anybody looking for a senior linux guy? |
| 03:52.22 | goozbach | keldwud: we're always looking |
| 04:15.21 | keldwud | goozbach: link? |
| 04:15.53 | keldwud | I have a lot of cron and batch management and automation under my belt now |
| 04:16.04 | goozbach | https://www.bluehost.com/careers |
| 04:16.51 | keldwud | oh man, I gotta move back down to provo! lol |
| 04:20.40 | keldwud | oh cool. my dad performs all the duties listed under the control engineer position |
| 04:21.07 | keldwud | the rest of the positions are all devs |
| 04:21.13 | keldwud | maybe I should start programming more |
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| 16:11.19 | jima | well that's obnoxious...people walking into my cube to rubberneck some traffic collision outside. |
| 16:12.10 | spangborn | hi jima, did you see that ludicrous accident today? |
| 16:13.28 | jima | i didn't see the suv upside-down, no |
| 16:14.14 | spangborn | Werid |
| 16:14.15 | spangborn | *Weird |
| 16:14.21 | spangborn | You should get your eyes checked then |
| 16:14.37 | spangborn | I should get my typing checked |
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| 16:17.10 | jima | spangborn: only because i don't get up and meander over to the window every time i hear sirens |
| 16:17.35 | jima | i overlook 5300s, there are going to be sirens |
| 16:19.37 | spangborn | lol yes there are |
| 16:20.05 | spangborn | Not like there's a hospital over there or anything |
| 16:21.58 | jima | thank goodness, no. |
| 17:18.48 | jlp_znc | I think I saw the firetruck roll for that (we live across the corner from the fire station on 59th) |
| 17:19.08 | jlp_znc | figured it was probably on the freeway |
| 17:20.33 | jlp_znc | Hmmm, time to do some house cleaning on my phone again... 24.49GB used of 25.98. |
| 17:20.39 | jima | scowls at jlp_znc's house |
| 17:21.41 | jlp_znc | 8.2GB of apps (!), 11.04GB of "other", and 4.26GB of cached data. |
| 17:22.34 | jlp_znc | anybody know a good disk usage/cleanup app for android? |
| 17:22.48 | spangborn | I've got a 256GB phone now. I'll never have to delete anything again |
| 17:23.01 | jlp_znc | that's what they said about 640k |
| 17:23.27 | jlp_znc | what phone do you have, spangborn? I've been thinking about getting a new one. |
| 17:23.35 | spangborn | iPhone 7 :0 |
| 17:23.38 | spangborn | :)* |
| 17:23.47 | jlp_znc | ugh. not getting one of those. |
| 17:24.50 | spangborn | Why not? |
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| 17:30.54 | jlp_znc | I despice iOS |
| 17:30.59 | jlp_znc | despise |
| 17:31.24 | jlp_znc | Apple has jumped the shark. |
| 17:31.34 | spangborn | Just to clarify, which shark? |
| 17:31.37 | spangborn | Is it a large one? |
| 17:31.55 | jlp_znc | Just saw one of the new Mac Book Pros... they got rid of the magsafe power connector in favor of USB-C. |
| 17:32.15 | spangborn | Yes, that machine is a bit of a disappointment |
| 17:32.19 | jlp_znc | the magsafe connector is the main reason I use a mac instead of a cheaper linux machine |
| 17:32.54 | jlp_znc | oh, I know what they were thinking... thinner is better. |
| 17:34.22 | jlp_znc | I found https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.diskusage, which I have used before. |
| 17:34.41 | jlp_znc | seems to work well. gak, 1.79GiB of Google Play Store cache! |
| 17:35.18 | SunSparc | It is interesting to hear the feedback on the new MacBook changes. Some consider it about time that Apple starts using standard connectors instead continuing to introduce proprietary ones. |
| 17:36.04 | spangborn | They make a magnetic USB-C cable |
| 17:36.09 | spangborn | But the lack of integration is disappointing |
| 17:36.21 | spangborn | MagSafe was one of the best features of Macs, imo |
| 17:36.35 | SunSparc | I agree, I really enjoyed it |
| 17:37.10 | spangborn | Especially with two dogs in my house, heh |
| 17:37.20 | SunSparc | On the other hand, Apple has been making changes that are disruptive and "hard" for a long time. I like the progress that they continue to push in the industry. |
| 17:37.33 | jlp_znc | people would ask me why I liked the mac, and I would show them the magsafe connector and say "this alone is reason enough to use it" |
| 17:37.49 | jlp_znc | (four dogs at home... two big, two small) |
| 17:39.36 | jlp_znc | https://www.amazon.com/Griffin-BreakSafe-Magnetic-Breakaway-Chromebook/dp/B01CQTK6GU, but I shouldn't have to spend another $30 for this functionality. |
| 17:40.40 | fungus | http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/06/this-magsafe-ripoff-cable-sucks/ |
| 17:49.26 | jlp_znc | sounds like the gizmodo solution is weak. and it's ugly, too, compared to the sexy magsafe connector. |
| 17:49.50 | spangborn | I'm just glad none of my machines have the L magsafe connector |
| 17:52.19 | TodPunk | I despise iOS because I'm a developer, and they hate developers. |
| 17:52.52 | spangborn | They hate them so much they pay them more money than any other platform |
| 17:53.21 | TodPunk | If you're looking at app developers, yes, because Android users are cheapskates |
| 17:53.52 | TodPunk | That said, good luck making a living as an app developer on any platform |
| 17:54.03 | TodPunk | Move to a third world country first and sure |
| 17:54.45 | TodPunk | http://dilbert.com/strip/2011-02-12 Relevant |
| 18:14.14 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:51.05 | unum | ya, I had someone convince me to charge for a premium version of an app |
| 18:51.13 | unum | I think I've made $6 :) |
| 18:51.19 | unum | I told him it wasn't worth charging for |
| 19:14.19 | romanovic | I think app developers can be very profitable, just not with the charge-per-download model. I think this generation understands better that copies of apps != value |
| 19:15.49 | romanovic | service == value, information is free. distribute the app for free, and we'll pay for the underlying value of the service for which it provides access |
| 20:08.55 | jlp_znc | agreed. I have, however, "purchased" apps where the free version is not limited in functionality simply because I like supporting developers who write good stuff. |
| 20:09.31 | jlp_znc | unum, what's your app? I've got about $30 sitting in my google play basket (courtesy of filling out surveys every once in a while). |
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| 20:34.08 | aeryndunham | thinks she has been talking not realizing she was not actually connected |
| 20:34.30 | spangborn | You have |
| 20:34.32 | spangborn | It's okay though |
| 20:34.38 | spangborn | We still love you |
| 20:34.50 | aeryndunham | oh well |
| 20:34.52 | aeryndunham | it wasn't important |
| 20:35.10 | spangborn | What was it? |
| 20:39.02 | unum | jlp_znc: it's for tracking continueing education hours for contractors |
| 20:39.13 | unum | I think it's called continuing education tracker |
| 20:39.33 | unum | I have a bunch of free ones as well |
| 20:39.40 | unum | the best in landscape watering guide |
| 20:39.56 | unum | formula solver seems to have a few grateful followers |
| 20:40.12 | unum | but none of them are fantantic |
| 20:40.19 | spangborn | How are the reviews? |
| 20:40.23 | aeryndunham | so we have this archaic system of payement onboar where if i go to a bar, shop, whatever, I just sign for it and then we have to go pay once a month or so; there's zero privacy, I just signed next to my name on a list where I saw a bazillion people's totals for the past month |
| 20:40.34 | aeryndunham | so I saw, roughly, how much my Christmas gift from Chris was |
| 20:40.37 | unum | there all just things I threw together |
| 20:40.42 | aeryndunham | and he, uhhhhhhh should NOT have spent that much |
| 20:40.44 | unum | spangborn: I don't dare look |
| 20:40.52 | unum | there's one that has really bad reviews |
| 20:41.04 | unum | I should probably remove it, I gave up on using it in favor of an other app |
| 20:41.12 | spangborn | aeryndunham: Ah, not unlike the passenger system |
| 20:41.24 | spangborn | aeryndunham: He's good to you, just appreciate that :) |
| 20:41.31 | aeryndunham | That is true |
| 20:41.40 | unum | aeryndunham: he shouldn't have spent that much because, you're going to end it? or because you don't think you deserve it? |
| 20:42.24 | aeryndunham | It was just, uh, a lot of money |
| 20:42.44 | aeryndunham | And he HAS a lot of money; he's spent a long time working hard and making sensible financial decisions |
| 20:43.13 | spangborn | Perhaps he places more value on relationships and experiences than money. |
| 20:43.51 | unum | sounds like he has a higher opinion of you than you do ;) |
| 20:44.02 | spangborn | You must be pretty special to him :) |
| 20:44.33 | aeryndunham | I suppose |
| 20:44.37 | aeryndunham | He's pretty greta |
| 20:44.40 | aeryndunham | great |
| 20:44.53 | spangborn | Well then by extension you must be as well |
| 20:45.15 | spangborn | After all, it's not just any woman that can get a guy to go to the doctor ;p |
| 20:45.22 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 20:45.24 | aeryndunham | HE DIDN'T GO |
| 20:45.25 | aeryndunham | I was so mad :P |
| 20:45.32 | spangborn | lol |
| 20:45.36 | spangborn | My bad :( |
| 20:45.40 | aeryndunham | Not actually mad |
| 20:45.52 | spangborn | Haha, I'm laughing at that backfiring |
| 20:46.29 | aeryndunham | I should have figured :p |
| 20:48.13 | aeryndunham | I feel like crap today, but I slept through my entire break and I think I'm feeling better |
| 20:49.03 | spangborn | Woo! |
| 20:49.06 | spangborn | Sleep is the best |
| 20:49.24 | aeryndunham | I don't like sleeping through my break though, I had stuff I wanted to do |
| 20:49.31 | aeryndunham | and I have a nice long break when the ship is in port |
| 20:50.09 | spangborn | Sleep is magic though |
| 20:50.20 | spangborn | I don't question sleep, I just let it happen |
| 20:56.30 | aeryndunham | I don't know what's wrong with me; I don't feel sick in that I'm not coucghing or sneezing, I just..... everything is mildly achy and I want to sleep for a year |
| 20:56.49 | spangborn | Stress can do that |
| 20:57.50 | aeryndunham | I guess |
| 21:06.09 | eightyeight | unum: finished book 8. taking a break from Wot to read arcanum unbounded. |
| 21:07.51 | aeryndunham | I neeeeeed to finish the book I'm reading |
| 21:07.59 | aeryndunham | it's fantastic, but I haven't touched it in weeks |
| 21:17.01 | levi | aeryndunham: I hate to say this, but I always feel a lot like what you described right as I'm starting to get sick. Hopefully you get better and not worse, though! |
| 21:28.39 | spangborn | https://instagram.com/p/BPLd1uvDEDZ-j4LaYdqV04EkZKMmN9gCYcP0LU0/ |
| 21:28.43 | spangborn | I am here |
| 21:32.47 | aeryndunham | omg I just told a guy he was going to type an address himself, I wasn't going to do it for him, otehrwise he'd never learn how, and he did NOT like that |
| 21:34.33 | spangborn | Tough nuggets! |
| 21:35.20 | aeryndunham | I try not to do anything for them; if they want to use the Internet on their iPad, they can open Safari and type regal.princess.com |
| 21:39.08 | TodPunk | "How dare you! I'm super important! You are here to serve me!" "and you can't type an address?" |
| 21:39.21 | spangborn | You need a sign that says "You are not a special snowflake" |
| 21:39.26 | spangborn | And just point to it for moments like this |
| 21:39.44 | aeryndunham | They aall make their kids/grandkids do literally everything on the computer for them |
| 21:40.20 | spangborn | This is why I'm glad my father is a software developer ;p |
| 21:41.19 | spangborn | https://blog.elpassion.com/simple-and-terrifying-encryption-story-c1f1d6707c07#.j3q8wy7dj |
| 21:41.36 | spangborn | More like "Kacper *WAS* a Senior Ruby on Rails Developer" |
| 21:41.43 | aeryndunham | I'm going to try to set up a computer easy enough for my Dad to use and I worry I am contributing to this nonsense |
| 21:42.11 | jima | spangborn: my father is deeeaaad |
| 21:42.18 | jima | </batman> |
| 21:42.30 | spangborn | jima: No bueno |
| 21:43.36 | jima | aeryndunham: they're afraid that if they type it they'll be overcome by their urge to be a regal princess. |
| 21:45.55 | TodPunk | I setup a file server for my Dad and told him he'd have to learn how to use some basic linux commands, because he absolutely needed to |
| 21:46.22 | TodPunk | he only fought a little bit, thankfully, but he is also originally a techy (now a marketer) |
| 21:49.47 | aeryndunham | I think followed half the Senate on Twitter today. I may have gone overboard. |
| 21:50.37 | TodPunk | If I wanted meaningless filler I'd write a political markov chain bot |
| 21:51.50 | aeryndunham | ugh there's a man browsing anti-hillary memes. can we not stop. |
| 21:52.39 | aeryndunham | actually would like to ban all bad political fwds from her internet cafe |
| 21:53.49 | TodPunk | Realize they feel the same about memes you'd find funny. Neither of you are wrong. |
| 21:54.19 | TodPunk | Truth be told if we didn't have this stuff the internet wouldn't really be appealing to most |
| 21:54.21 | aeryndunham | Right, but me reading memes/whatever on my laptop doesn't usuuuually lead to passengers screaming at each other about politics |
| 21:54.33 | aeryndunham | which is what happens when someone reads them on our computers |
| 21:54.37 | aeryndunham | which is really what I like to avoid |
| 21:54.45 | aeryndunham | (it was pretty wild in here in October) |
| 21:55.01 | TodPunk | Have you considered playing the Mortal Kombat theme when this happens? |
| 21:55.08 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 21:55.19 | TodPunk | (Unrelated: Is it your job to keep them from offending each other?) |
| 21:55.47 | aeryndunham | Sort of? There is security I can call if I need to |
| 21:55.50 | aeryndunham | I almost had to once |
| 21:56.21 | aeryndunham | A man made the mistake of wearing an 'I'm With Her' shirt in here as some dudes were in the midst of a little 'Build The Wall!' pep really |
| 21:56.24 | aeryndunham | I had to throw them all out |
| 21:57.10 | aeryndunham | Told them to take their screaming to another location |
| 21:57.46 | TodPunk | "Children, this is not the place for your conversation, as this is more of a library. Try the pub." |
| 22:28.20 | unum | I've been trying realy hard to teach my kids not to hate the other side |
| 22:28.39 | unum | of course all they hear at school is bad stuff about both major presidential candidates |
| 22:28.57 | unum | of course having a father who ran for office give them a different perspective on 'politicians" |
| 22:29.04 | unum | I like to mix quotes |
| 22:29.15 | TodPunk | you heathen |
| 22:29.48 | unum | I called an apstrophe a single quote to someone with a computer science degree, she told me that's not what it's called..... |
| 22:30.33 | TodPunk | I can understand that with a computer science degree, now if you had told me she was a programmer.... |
| 22:31.20 | unum | TodPunk: she programs every day(in qbasic) |
| 22:31.40 | unum | does that count as being a programmer |
| 22:31.44 | eightyeight | i wasn't until college i learned that the differences between the dash, emdash, endash, hyphen, ... |
| 22:31.47 | TodPunk | something something not a programmer |
| 22:32.07 | TodPunk | whatever keeps up the witty exchange |
| 22:32.24 | unum | so what's the word for the non-ascii double quotes |
| 22:33.20 | TodPunk | curly quotes |
| 22:33.26 | unum | good one |
| 22:33.44 | TodPunk | that was used on a slashdot article a while ago |
| 22:34.18 | unum | I've got a political topic that seems to have bipartisan support. |
| 22:34.27 | unum | Gail Miller should just admit she's a democrat |
| 22:34.43 | unum | and join the democratic party |
| 22:34.59 | TodPunk | Never heard of her |
| 22:35.09 | unum | maybe we should give up on our costitution and switch to a proportional system |
| 22:35.44 | unum | she's larry millers widow. she's been funding ballot inniatives that republicans hate |
| 22:35.58 | unum | like the count my vote inniative |
| 22:36.02 | TodPunk | maybe she's not a democrat, maybe she's just a troll |
| 22:36.14 | TodPunk | but I repeat myself |
| 22:40.36 | unum | she's started one now to increase taxes |
| 22:47.30 | TodPunk | I definitely need to increase my taxes. Do my part for whatever it is the government does for me so well. |
| 22:47.35 | TodPunk | I'm sure there's something. |
| 22:49.18 | unum | I did drive in on roads that weren't covered in snow |
| 22:49.34 | unum | plus I don't speak german or russion |
| 22:49.40 | unum | I worded that poorly |
| 22:49.52 | unum | my daughter does speak mandarian... |
| 22:49.59 | unum | and that is thanks to the government |
| 22:53.56 | TodPunk | mandarian? |
| 22:54.10 | TodPunk | Have you considered learning you a language? |
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| 23:06.49 | aeryndunham | dinner was thoroughly disappointing this evening |
| 23:17.22 | aeryndunham | yikes, I meant to take some preemptive seasick tablets tonight and I forgot |
| 23:21.39 | TodPunk | I'm thinking a bottle of wine is in order |
| 23:22.14 | aeryndunham | always supports decisions the result in wine |
| 23:45.08 | unum | mandarin |
| 23:45.17 | unum | I knew I wasn't supposed to add that a |
| 23:49.19 | TodPunk | I knew what you meant, mind you |
| 23:49.51 | TodPunk | But I also figured you weren't being ironic like when I say Canadia |
| 23:57.19 | aeryndunham | oh, wow |
| 23:57.23 | aeryndunham | lady just called me over to ask how to send an email |
| 23:57.30 | aeryndunham | she was actually signed into AIM, not AOL Mail |