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| 14:59.55 | jima | spangborn: as we say in my household, "please refrain from dying." |
| 15:00.18 | aeryndunham | haha I was just about to tell him not to die |
| 15:04.13 | jima | aeryndunham: the wording in our household is a buddhist thing...they don't demand you do or do not do things, they advise refraining from doing them. |
| 15:04.40 | jima | e.g., refrain from killing...if you have to kill, well... |
| 15:05.14 | jima | the precepts, iirc...i'm about as good of a buddhist as i am a jew (context: i love bacon cheeseburgers). |
| 15:05.49 | aeryndunham | ah |
| 15:09.37 | aeryndunham | did he ride his bike straight onto a train or something?? |
| 15:10.38 | jima | i wonder if he asked anyone to hold his root beer first |
| 15:11.06 | jima | hmm, maybe. |
| 15:26.40 | spangborn | Moist. |
| 15:26.54 | aeryndunham | spangborn: What did you do?? |
| 15:27.09 | spangborn | Rode my bike to the train in the rain |
| 15:27.16 | spangborn | Because I'm tired of riding the trainer inside |
| 15:27.37 | jima | spangborn: you're trying to trigger people with that word, aren't you? |
| 15:27.48 | spangborn | jima: Who? me?! |
| 15:28.02 | spangborn | Admittedly yes |
| 15:28.24 | jima | spangborn: joke's on you, i'm only triggered by the word "trigger." |
| 15:28.46 | spangborn | TRIGGERED |
| 15:29.01 | spangborn | I like these temps. Can it stay this warm please? |
| 15:29.12 | spangborn | I can cope with being moist as long as I'm not cold. |
| 15:29.35 | jima | oh man, i'll take this temperature and moist over cold and whatever any day. |
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| 15:29.51 | spangborn | http://i.imgur.com/tBR1nBr.jpg |
| 15:30.09 | spangborn | Sadly we only get two days |
| 15:30.16 | jima | i noticed, yeah. |
| 15:41.31 | TodPunk | TIL buddhists are pansies |
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| 15:53.42 | jima | TodPunk: uhhh |
| 15:54.12 | TodPunk | "Hey, uh.. maybe... refrain... from doing... that thing... you know, if you would..." |
| 15:54.31 | jima | TodPunk: you know the crusades, where christians & muslims went to war over religious matters? |
| 15:54.53 | TodPunk | NO! Conquer your enemies! Make them beg for mercy. Hear the laments of their women and children! |
| 15:54.59 | TodPunk | This is best in life. |
| 15:55.05 | jima | buddhism went through that kind of shit, too...just a few thousand years earlier. |
| 15:55.35 | jima | they grew up. grew wiser. learned to knock that crap off. |
| 15:55.54 | jima | then all the other religions went through puberty, too... |
| 16:01.09 | TodPunk | I think you attribute too much continuity to philosophical groups, personally |
| 16:02.59 | jima | says the guy who just categorized one as "pansies." |
| 16:23.44 | spangborn | Big Gulps eh? |
| 16:39.51 | TodPunk | My assessment is obviously both serious and accurate /s |
| 16:51.50 | jima | TIL that TodPunk is an ass |
| 16:52.28 | TodPunk | Oh, man, that's been public knowledge for years. /Years./ |
| 16:53.52 | TodPunk | I am also, in general, just a horrible person, and never make any claims to the contrary |
| 16:56.46 | spangborn | At least he's honest about it! |
| 16:56.48 | spangborn | <3 |
| 16:57.09 | TodPunk | Gotta have something to make up for it |
| 16:57.39 | spangborn | lol Jenkins build pending for 3hr1min |
| 16:57.52 | spangborn | prods the devops team |
| 16:58.13 | RyanE | https://xkcd.com/303/ |
| 16:59.53 | TodPunk | Ah, compile times. Good times, though. |
| 17:00.06 | TodPunk | Unless you're templating in C++, then it's not |
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| 17:24.32 | aeryndunham | aw dangit my SSL cert expired, I was sure I had followed the steps properly to have it renew itself |
| 17:24.43 | aeryndunham | edited the crontab and everything |
| 17:26.28 | TodPunk | nuuuuuuuu |
| 17:28.18 | aeryndunham | followed a tutorial |
| 17:29.53 | aeryndunham | also, i'm about 2 seconds from murdering everyone in my internet caf |
| 17:31.13 | TodPunk | there uh... there will be blood? |
| 17:31.28 | TodPunk | I feel like maybe you shouldn't do that, for fiscal reasons |
| 17:31.37 | aeryndunham | there's something wrong wth me |
| 17:31.58 | TodPunk | it's probably just gas |
| 17:32.02 | aeryndunham | I keep having to leave to cry 3-4 times a day, I feel sick whenever I have to go to work, when people approach me to ask questions I feel physically anxious |
| 17:32.15 | spangborn | Sounds like time for a change |
| 17:32.38 | aeryndunham | definitely |
| 17:32.40 | aeryndunham | but I can't just leave |
| 17:32.40 | spangborn | I'm admittedly at the same point, minus the crying. |
| 17:32.51 | spangborn | Or maybe I just won't admit the crying. |
| 17:32.54 | spangborn | You decide. |
| 17:33.58 | spangborn | I'm looking at moving somewhere else. I dunno where yet. |
| 17:34.12 | aeryndunham | ugh I can't log into my server to fix it from here, dangi |
| 17:35.01 | spangborn | Here's a puppy to help improve things: https://i.redd.it/oyh5iaaqhl8y.jpg |
| 17:36.26 | aeryndunham | I don't think I can set up an ssh key from this computer right now because password authentication is turned off |
| 17:38.09 | spangborn | You would be correct, unless you can SSH to a box that already has the key |
| 17:49.35 | aeryndunham | If I boot into mac I can |
| 17:49.57 | aeryndunham | or I can just turn on password authentication real quick from the DigitalOcean console |
| 17:59.58 | TodPunk | aeryndunham: if you know where your ssh keys on the mac partition are you can probably mount that partition and go into it and copy out the key |
| 18:00.07 | TodPunk | or that |
| 18:08.19 | aeryndunham | huh, rEFInd keeps, like, uninstalling itself |
| 18:08.20 | aeryndunham | odd |
| 18:08.23 | spangborn | I need to rebuild my webserver so that I can actually run a non-git version of LetsEncrypt |
| 18:08.31 | aeryndunham | my wifi keeps disconnecting too :( |
| 18:09.03 | aeryndunham | LetsEncrypt is what I'm using too |
| 18:09.40 | programmerq | <3 letsencrypt |
| 18:09.49 | spangborn | The version of Ubuntu I'm using isn't new enough for a deb-packaged version |
| 18:09.53 | spangborn | so I keep having to update it manually |
| 18:11.35 | aeryndunham | I can't remember whch version of Ubuntu my server is on |
| 18:11.44 | spangborn | brb moving to Australia http://i.imgur.com/kiNL4W1.gifv |
| 18:13.28 | aeryndunham | I feel like I upgraded my server recently |
| 18:15.22 | aeryndunham | But unrelated, I wasn't super excted about installing Ubuntu but I really like it |
| 18:15.37 | spangborn | It's reasonably okay for a server |
| 18:15.57 | aeryndunham | Oh, yeah, my server always has been |
| 18:16.26 | aeryndunham | but I'm using Ubuntu desktop at the moment |
| 18:19.56 | aeryndunham | I may have downloaded Kubuntu but I already had the regular Unity .iso lying around |
| 18:20.03 | aeryndunham | and I like, don't hate it? |
| 18:20.24 | spangborn | I haven't used KDE since the first release of KDE4 |
| 18:20.58 | aeryndunham | I quite like KDE Plasma |
| 18:21.00 | programmerq | yeah, kde4 put me off it |
| 18:21.05 | programmerq | then I did fluxbox for years |
| 18:21.08 | aeryndunham | I'm actually considering KDE Neon |
| 18:21.12 | programmerq | and now I don't use a linux desktop day-to-day |
| 18:21.54 | aeryndunham | I haven't heard of fluxbox |
| 18:22.09 | programmerq | it's *highly* minimal |
| 18:22.18 | programmerq | which used to be more practical |
| 18:22.20 | aeryndunham | likes shiny eyecandy desktops |
| 18:22.30 | programmerq | but as each DE did more and more, it got harder to replicate some stuff |
| 18:22.38 | programmerq | like notification systems |
| 18:22.48 | programmerq | or pulseaudio stuff |
| 18:23.09 | spangborn | I'd go for XFCE before KDE |
| 18:23.22 | aeryndunham | XFCE is ok |
| 18:23.29 | programmerq | I did lxde for my daughter's raspberry pi desktop I set up for her for christmas. |
| 18:23.35 | programmerq | she's been playing on that thing for *hours* |
| 18:23.38 | programmerq | she's 3 |
| 18:24.53 | aeryndunham | My dad can't use a computer at all, isn't familiar with any operating system, I'm thining of setting him up with a very simple desktop |
| 18:25.17 | programmerq | I want to expose my older kid to linux/osx |
| 18:25.22 | programmerq | I started him with a dos machine |
| 18:25.30 | programmerq | and then did windows 10 so we can do steam library sharing |
| 18:25.51 | programmerq | I told him that once he's old enough to install his own OS, he can be an admin |
| 18:29.22 | aeryndunham | has to be able to install the os to be an admin? steep! |
| 18:30.21 | TodPunk | programmerq: wuh? How do you share steam libraries? |
| 18:30.25 | programmerq | I was only a few years older than him when I started doing that |
| 18:30.36 | programmerq | TodPunk⸠http://store.steampowered.com/promotion/familysharing |
| 18:30.41 | programmerq | couple caveats |
| 18:30.57 | programmerq | if the person you are sharing with gets a VAC ban, then the ban gets applied to your account too |
| 18:31.13 | programmerq | and you can't choose which games you want to share-- it's all-or-nothing |
| 18:31.35 | programmerq | if you are playing a shared game, and the person sharing starts playing anything in their library, you get kicked out after 5 minutes. |
| 18:37.28 | programmerq | since my kid is 7, I also turn on the steam family features. I can explicitly whitelist games (shared or not) to be allowed in the family view. |
| 18:37.58 | programmerq | also, some games are excluded from sharing, like the assassin's creed series since it uses external DRM (uplay) |
| 18:38.07 | programmerq | or elite dangerous since it has its own DRM |
| 18:44.00 | aeryndunham | has a stand of internet login instruction brochures; people keep taking one, glancing at it, and then making me sign them up anyway. I really want to attach a sign that says 'if you aren't actually going to read this, don't take one. save a tree.' |
| 18:56.52 | frostyfrog | There is another caveat that you didn't list. If you have family restrictions on your main account, they don't apply to the accounts that you share games with. |
| 18:58.21 | frostyfrog | thinks that aeryndunham needs a RTFM sticker/t-shirt. |
| 18:58.45 | aeryndunham | lol |
| 18:59.34 | aeryndunham | People come up the gangway to go on their cruise and leave their brains behind |
| 19:04.34 | jima | aeryndunham: i went on vacation to *not* use my brain, duh. |
| 19:05.19 | aeryndunham | Ooh, I'm not getting alerts when someone mentions me, need to fix that |
| 19:05.28 | jima | unrelated: i appreciate it when people suggest we use an X.X.X.X.X ip scheme, or say they're waiting for ipv5 or ipv8. it makes it obvious they have no idea what they're talking about and can be summarily ignored outright. |
| 19:05.38 | jima | goes to prep lunch |
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| 19:15.00 | unum | I couldn't figure out why I couldn't ssh into my linode |
| 19:15.22 | unum | finally I checked a certain email folder to see if there any emails in there linode about my account |
| 19:15.32 | unum | and saw several emails from namecheap..... |
| 19:15.40 | spangborn | Oh whoops |
| 19:15.46 | spangborn | bye bye domain? |
| 19:15.49 | jima | oops. |
| 19:15.53 | aeryndunham | :( |
| 19:16.11 | aeryndunham | I have an email from namecheap about my WHOIS guard expiring, didn't think I'd signed up for that |
| 19:16.24 | spangborn | They'll usually give you a free year |
| 19:16.34 | programmerq | you definitely want whoisguard |
| 19:16.42 | spangborn | Someone needs to take my phone away because I just discovered that Etsy has ApplePay support |
| 19:16.47 | aeryndunham | programmerq: what it is? |
| 19:16.48 | jima | what programmerq said. there are a lot of crazy people on the internet. |
| 19:16.51 | unum | by grace I was saved |
| 19:16.53 | aeryndunham | wow, is it, not it is |
| 19:17.16 | programmerq | aeryndunham⸠without it, your personal information will be on the internet |
| 19:17.25 | aeryndunham | programmerq: Really? |
| 19:17.26 | jima | unum: grace hopper? |
| 19:17.28 | aeryndunham | ELI5 |
| 19:17.29 | programmerq | yes |
| 19:17.51 | aeryndunham | I mean my domain already is my real firstnamelastname.com |
| 19:18.08 | aeryndunham | But I believe you |
| 19:18.33 | spangborn | Yeah, but addresses |
| 19:18.48 | jima | doesn't really do privacy guard...but then, he has two .us domains, where they don't allow those shenanigans. |
| 19:18.54 | unum | ya I get phone calls all the time based of the information from my domain |
| 19:19.06 | aeryndunham | so if I type whois mydomain.com, I get personal info? |
| 19:19.41 | unum | may be from my google play sellers account |
| 19:19.49 | unum | I have a different number for those now |
| 19:19.51 | spangborn | I've got like 9 domains and haven't had a problem with it |
| 19:19.54 | spangborn | But whatever |
| 19:19.59 | spangborn | I can see the value |
| 19:19.59 | unum | I should get a po box as well |
| 19:21.53 | aeryndunham | aaah yes I see all the entries that say whoisguard protected |
| 19:22.02 | aeryndunham | lol why does it think I'm in Panama |
| 19:22.15 | jima | because that's what they do |
| 19:22.48 | aeryndunham | will renew that |
| 19:24.24 | aeryndunham | does not remember her namecheap password. I feel like one of my passengers :p |
| 19:27.40 | jima | aeryndunham: awkward. |
| 19:30.03 | aeryndunham | got it :p |
| 19:31.41 | aeryndunham | Is it $2.88/month or a year? |
| 19:31.49 | aeryndunham | website unclear |
| 19:38.04 | programmerq | could go either way, if there's a sale |
| 19:38.41 | aeryndunham | 2.88 a year, looks like |
| 19:39.14 | aeryndunham | thinks she can swing that ;) |
| 19:48.25 | aeryndunham | oh good, we're missing our port tomorrow :( |
| 19:48.32 | aeryndunham | making it only 2 ports this cruise in 7 days |
| 20:09.10 | unum | man how long is going to take for the dns cache to clear |
| 20:11.09 | jima | unum: depends on the ttl of the record, of course. |
| 20:11.20 | jima | you can look at the remaining ttl |
| 20:12.24 | unum | do I used dig for that? |
| 20:12.29 | jima | yes |
| 20:12.35 | unum | I could just point my computer to use a different dns... |
| 20:12.39 | jima | dig @8.8.8.8 whatever.host. A |
| 20:12.51 | jima | unum: as long as that other host is a) reachable and b) doesn't have the record cached |
| 20:13.27 | jima | (i specify a) because i'm on a network where i assume someone might filter dns to arbitrary destinations...or filter tcp/53 outright.) |
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| 20:14.10 | jima | (if anyone points out that dns is udp/53, please stop by my cube for a beating.) |
| 20:14.34 | spangborn | dns is udp/53 |
| 20:14.42 | jima | spangborn: when can i expect you? |
| 20:14.48 | spangborn | jima: idk |
| 20:14.52 | spangborn | Where's your cube? |
| 20:14.56 | jima | spangborn: please beat yourself soundly |
| 20:14.59 | jima | spangborn: murray |
| 20:15.08 | spangborn | Well I'm on the bike today, so like 40 |
| 20:15.22 | jima | i'm near murray central |
| 20:16.05 | unum | I'm a mile east of you |
| 20:16.15 | jima | unum: i'm sorry |
| 20:16.32 | jima | i used to live a mile west of here |
| 20:16.39 | unum | I think a server somewhere is ignoring my ttl |
| 20:17.15 | jima | unum: oh? fqdn? |
| 20:17.37 | jima | is pretty good at identifying dns issues |
| 20:18.08 | unum | restarting bind on the company dns server fixed the issue |
| 20:18.14 | unum | thanks for your help |
| 20:18.15 | jima | eww |
| 20:18.17 | jima | np |
| 20:31.55 | fungus | unum, bind has lots of options to modify it while running. See "rndc". |
| 20:36.04 | jima | `rndc flush` is a favorite of mine. |
| 20:36.21 | TodPunk | doesn't do whoisguard |
| 20:36.54 | TodPunk | I own my house, so everyone has my address already if they have my name |
| 20:37.05 | jima | ditto |
| 20:38.25 | aeryndunham | yeesh, my bank redid their website |
| 20:44.18 | aeryndunham | dangit I forget that I need to restart ssh every dang time |
| 21:13.15 | spangborn | "Gold is the universal color. It's not racist." |
| 21:13.17 | spangborn | Uh wat |
| 21:13.21 | spangborn | Someone just said this at work. |
| 21:13.39 | aeryndunham | in what sense is gold the "universal color" |
| 21:14.10 | spangborn | I don't even know. The comment was enough of a shock that my brain crashed and is still rebooting. |
| 21:14.19 | TodPunk | So blonde? |
| 21:14.42 | TodPunk | You should just scream that at them as if you have discovered gold. |
| 21:16.20 | frostyfrog | Oh boy, back to the Hitler empire >_> |
| 21:16.40 | spangborn | "Why does Oprah need spirituality? She's already a good person." |
| 21:16.42 | frostyfrog | (in regards to the blonde gold thingy |
| 21:16.43 | spangborn | This conversation. |
| 21:16.46 | spangborn | Is killing me. |
| 21:17.00 | spangborn | In a few days you'll all be able to visit me in UNI |
| 21:17.03 | spangborn | After I lose my mind |
| 22:08.31 | eightyeight | https://www.facebook.com/MormonWikileaks/posts/1838128653122513 |
| 22:08.57 | eightyeight | $120k annually per apostle for a "living allowance", as of 2014. |
| 22:12.24 | spangborn | How does that compare historically? |
| 22:12.48 | spangborn | Also surprised Wikileaks hasn't tried to sue yet hah |
| 22:16.02 | eightyeight | in 2014, it was raised to $120k from $116,400 |
| 22:16.33 | eightyeight | in henry eyring's pay stubs, it appears he's paying tithing, but how much is unclear |
| 22:16.51 | eightyeight | and his federal and state witholdings are very small, given his salary |
| 22:16.57 | Migs | why don't they just pay them 10% less and call it good? |
| 22:17.13 | eightyeight | dunno at what exent the non-profit org plays into that |
| 22:17.18 | spangborn | Probably illegal to do so |
| 22:17.23 | Migs | I know, I was joking |
| 22:17.42 | eightyeight | remember when the lds church has paid maintenance crews to clean the church? |
| 22:17.51 | eightyeight | and now the local members do it voluntarily |
| 22:18.20 | Migs | in all fairness, they're not that difficult to clean |
| 22:18.38 | Migs | bring you, your wife, and your 11 kids and you can get it done in 10 minutes |
| 22:19.04 | TodPunk | spangborn: they actually informed them quite nicely that they couldn't use the WikiLeaks trademark |
| 22:19.22 | Migs | MormonLeaks sounds catchier anyway |
| 22:19.24 | spangborn | TodPunk: Yeah, I saw that. But I haven't seen anything more |
| 22:19.40 | TodPunk | So far I haven't seen anything from MormonLeaks that I give a single damn about |
| 22:19.48 | Migs | I know, this isn't very interesting stuff |
| 22:19.49 | spangborn | I think it's dumb that Wikileaks even has "Wiki" in the name |
| 22:19.57 | eightyeight | well, it used to be a wiki |
| 22:20.03 | eightyeight | searchable also |
| 22:20.05 | Migs | I think everyone would rather see one for Scientology |
| 22:20.09 | TodPunk | Most of it is also publicly known stuff |
| 22:20.21 | Migs | or at least publicly suspected |
| 22:20.21 | eightyeight | but yeah, it's hardly a wiki anymore |
| 22:20.21 | TodPunk | No, Scientology is boring |
| 22:20.29 | Migs | I said everyone...not me personally |
| 22:20.36 | TodPunk | it's always "yes, they're insane, here's more insanity" |
| 22:20.43 | Migs | hahaha |
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| 22:22.37 | Migs | granted I didn't do it for very long (year and a half), but when I worked for the Church it seemed like just another run-of-the-mill organization |
| 22:22.49 | Migs | kind of disappointing |
| 22:23.08 | Migs | especially if you expect angelic choirs to greet everyone who enters |
| 22:32.56 | jima | oooh, ominous storm clouds rolling in |
| 22:33.37 | jima | Migs: you didn't have that at the church? i have angelic choirs heralding my arrival at my job. |
| 22:33.47 | jima | or maybe that's in my head. it's hard to tell sometimes. |
| 22:34.33 | programmerq | I don't think I want to work for the church. I was a student employee at BYU and that was enough. |
| 22:36.02 | levi | jima: I'm staring at pretty ominous clouds outside my window too. |
| 22:36.36 | jima | levi: where from? |
| 22:37.51 | eightyeight | it's slushy/rain downtown right now |
| 22:38.20 | levi | I'm in the business park in the river valley right off 106th S. |
| 22:38.57 | spangborn | Well poop |
| 22:39.00 | spangborn | I was going to ride home |
| 22:39.02 | spangborn | Not happening now |
| 22:41.58 | eightyeight | the snow pack is crazy high. floods for this spring/summer imminent |
| 22:52.34 | frostyfrog | wants more snow in Lehi to actually STICK. |
| 22:52.48 | jima | frostyfrog: go to the mountains if you want snow :-P |
| 22:53.01 | jima | it's not like they're far |
| 22:53.24 | frostyfrog | Also, it'd be nice if there was some kind of monitoring service for lakes and rivers freezing over enough to ice skate on. |
| 22:53.58 | frostyfrog | True, but the mountains aren't close enough to home xD (AKA, next door, no driving needed) |
| 22:54.51 | jima | maybe it comes from living in a region with navigable rivers, but i personally wouldn't advise going out on river/stream-based ice. |
| 22:59.34 | frostyfrog | Right, right. Forgot about the flowing water underneath ebbing away at the ice. >_> |
| 23:02.18 | jima | frostyfrog: bigger risk: falling through the ice, and the current taking you away from the opening. |
| 23:02.51 | jima | (no idea how big the risk you describe might be.) |
| 23:05.30 | frostyfrog | Same issue, though xD |
| 23:08.53 | RyanE | pretty sure the liability for a monitoring service to tell you if it's safe to ice skate on anything other than the olympic park rink is going to be too large. |
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| 23:14.15 | frostyfrog | :p |
| 23:20.27 | aeryndunham | Oh, good, someone wants to let me know that I'm the most disgustlingly rude employee they've ever encountered and the company should be ashamed |
| 23:20.51 | aeryndunham | nevermind she burned through 300 mins today because she didn't log out and she got a full refund and 100 minutes back |
| 23:23.19 | TodPunk | "Is that an objective comparison to all your other interactions on board, or are you just congenial to everybody?" |
| 23:26.30 | aeryndunham | I don't know how I'm going to get through the next few weeks. |
| 23:29.30 | TodPunk | by laughing it off, because those idiots are crazy and you are untouchable |
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